2016 US Presidential election thread [Archive] - Page 5

Onkel Neal

02-23-16, 08:34 AM

CHICKEN: I picked 'em both to drop!

Yeah, but only one counts in the contest, the first one. :cool:

After South Carolina, beginning of the end for Cruz?
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/270371-after-south-carolina-beginning-of-the-end-for-cruz

No state in the nation is more tailor-made for the Texas senator than South Carolina. Less than 5 percent of South Carolina is Roman Catholic and almost 72 percent is evangelical Christian. Despite Cruz's pandering for white Christian votes, the majority voted for Trump. It appears that the mano a mano fight that Trump and Cruz engaged in the week before the voting convinced more to vote for Trump than for Cruz. Independent-minded Republicans broke for Rubio.
The result was that Cruz's odds of contention for the nomination have been greatly lessened. His carefully constructed scenario of winning South Carolina and carrying that win into the March Southern primaries is done. Cruz expected big wins because most of the South resembles South Carolina politically. Here enters Donald Trump. He won South Carolina and he can be expected to do well in the SEC primary (nicknamed after the Southern-based college football conference). Cruz will win the Texas primary, but it is not winner-take-all.

Every Republican caucus or primary between now and March 12 allocates delegates proportionally. Thus, even if he sweeps Texas, Cruz will not get a large delegate win; he will have to share the 155 delegate pot with Trump and Rubio proportionately. The real delegate pots start on March 15 when Florida votes winner-take-all for 99 delegates along with other winner-take-all states such as Illinois (69 delegates), Missouri (52) and Ohio (66), followed by Arizona (58) on March 22, Pennsylvania (71) on April 16 and the greatest delegate pot of all, California with 172 delegates on June 7.

So, after this cycle, we have Super Tuesday on MARCH 1, where you will decide who will win the largest number of states.

Democrats
Alabama
American Samoa
Arkansas
Colorado
Georgia
Massachusetts
Minnesota
Oklahoma
Tennessee
Texas
Vermont
Virginia

Republicans
Alabama
Alaska
Arkansas
Georgia
Massachusetts
Minnesota
Oklahoma
Tennessee
Texas
Vermont
Virginia

After that, we will pick who we think will win the nominations, and wait to see the results in a couple months.

Once the nominees are decided, we select who will win it all.

STEED

02-23-16, 08:40 AM

Bugger another vote so soon! Dam missed it...:damn:

AVGWarhawk

02-23-16, 09:21 AM

What exactly does President Clinton need from Bill once she is elected? Other than knowing where her bodies are buried I see him being of little value to her and potentially a lot of harm.

Bill has been President...since all appear to be harping on experience I would think Bill can offer some of his to Hillary. The illegals can handle the victory garden.

I do not see Bill being a harm to Hillary if she makes the WH.

Bilge_Rat

02-23-16, 09:51 AM

According to the latest voter intention poll (feb.18, Fox News) Clinton would beat Trump 47% to 42%.

To put that in perspective, in feb. 1980, polls had President Carter beating former actor Ronnie Reagan, 58% to 33%.

November is still a loooong way off, anything can happen.

President Donald Trump.

Now the big question...will he do something about his hair? :o

Catfish

02-23-16, 10:02 AM

^ Now in the best british tradition of describing Germany as "NAZI" as soon as anything.. inconvenient happens, i should describe Trump as ...

But i won't. If he wins (by far not sure) he will most probably behave a lot different. He knows that the pre-election time is for shows and he acts accordingly. He sure is not a dumb man :hmmm:

Aktungbby

02-23-16, 10:50 AM

^
But i won't. If he wins (by far not sure) he will most probably behave a lot different. He knows that the pre-election time is for shows and he acts accordingly. He sure is not a dumb man :hmmm:https://media4.giphy.com/media/26tn8u4JaBPQmq8mY/200.gif

STEED

02-23-16, 10:52 AM

https://media4.giphy.com/media/26tn8u4JaBPQmq8mY/200.gif
You are going to love World War 3 or my name is not Trump.

AVGWarhawk

02-23-16, 10:55 AM

https://media4.giphy.com/media/26tn8u4JaBPQmq8mY/200.gif

You're fired.

http://borderlessnewsandviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/06senate2-600.jpg

August

02-23-16, 11:48 AM

You're fired.

Actually it only works the other way around. Congress can fire the President but the President cannot fire Congress. :yep:

Jimbuna

02-23-16, 11:57 AM

http://i.imgur.com/hh1fc0g.gif
Don't forget to vote for my hair stylist too.

AVGWarhawk

02-23-16, 12:15 PM

Actually it only works the other way around. Congress can fire the President but the President cannot fire Congress. :yep:

Congress will do nothing. Typical day for Congress. It's Trump. He does what he wants. He will be the executive order madman. This is a guy who runs companies with a board of one. He is the one.

AVGWarhawk

02-23-16, 01:41 PM

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/Warhawk1-avg/12631304_10156597922005595_2876413380054139311_n_z psq2oaf0vk.jpg

Aktungbby

02-23-16, 01:57 PM

The Donald on the 'hot seat"http://fcdn.smileyswelove.com/content/smileys/smiley-emoticon-309-basic%20smileys%20gallery%20-%20page%202-atomic.gif https://media.giphy.com/media/xT0BKvU0ZFJGGubOAU/giphy.gif

Onkel Neal

02-23-16, 06:35 PM

I want Hillary to release transcripts of her million dollar speeches to Goldman-Sachs....:hmmm:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/clinton-speeches-218969

August

02-23-16, 07:52 PM

Congress will do nothing. Typical day for Congress. It's Trump. He does what he wants. He will be the executive order madman. This is a guy who runs companies with a board of one. He is the one.

The big problem with being "The One" is that you have no friends. Trump in particular is hated by both sides of the aisle in Congress, (even more than Hitlery and way more than Sanders). I think there will be enough existing enmity to successfully impeach him if he gives them a half a reason. He oversteps his bounds and they'll be swearing in his Veep in short order.

eddie

02-23-16, 08:24 PM

Wonder who Trump would want as his VP?

vienna

02-23-16, 08:26 PM

His ego is enough to fill both positions...

<O>

Torplexed

02-23-16, 08:29 PM

The big problem with being "The One" is that you have no friends. Trump in particular is hated by both sides of the aisle in Congress, (even more than Hitlery and way more than Sanders). I think there will be enough existing enmity to successfully impeach him if he gives them a half a reason. He oversteps his bounds and they'll be swearing in his Veep in short order.

Who knows? Maybe that's his end game. Trump plus running-mate to be named later will win, and then Trump will resign immediately after inauguration and put his VP in charge. Because he's all about the power games, and the publicity, and the news cycle. What's bigger and better than getting elected President? Getting to freaking pick all by yourself whoever you want for President, with basically no one else's say so.

Oberon

02-23-16, 09:36 PM

Maybe his hair will be VP... :hmmm:

I see the Nevada vote has been thorough organised and the ballot slip is fully representative of the people standing for Republican representative:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cb8i2mSUEAEAaUQ.jpg

http://www.bolgernow.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/you-had-one-job-government.jpg

Oberon

02-23-16, 09:45 PM

This is probably going to appear a lot, vote collectors wearing Trump supporters gear:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cb8eDlaUEAUnB9G.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cb8dPOBXIAE1S4h.jpg

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/nevada-caucus-voters-report-chaos-on-twitter-as-poll-workers-openly-wear-trump-gear-and-run-out-of-ballots/

http://fullthrottleliberty.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/b04-550x590.jpg

August

02-23-16, 11:12 PM

Not against any law.

As balloting got under way, there were some reports of long lines and even caucus volunteers wearing campaign attire – specifically pro-Trump. But state Republican officials said it’s “not against the rules for volunteers to wear candidate gear,” and said there have been no official violations reported. Further, one GOP official told reporters looking at complaints on Twitter to “take a deep breath,” saying the state is looking at high turnout and enthusiasm Tuesday night.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/02/23/gop-rivals-on-watch-for-dirty-tricks-as-nevada-caucuses-begin.html

Oberon

02-23-16, 11:35 PM

Aye, you'd have thought that party voting would have adopted the same rules as presidential voting, but evidently not.
Curious system. :doh::dead:

Still, at least this caucus room got it right:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cb8U5MUW0AA5mxg.jpg

We really are down the rabbit hole...

Bubblehead1980

02-24-16, 01:51 AM

What really has the "establishment" on both sides scared is Trump has crossover appeal, despite his allegedly racist, sexist, bigoted, views(they are not, just not "PC", which is nothing more than a way to stifle truth and dissent) he won 44% of the hispanic vote in Nevada. Normal, law abiding, hard working, intelligent, people are sick of political machines on both sides, sick of no one telling the truth and dealing with the problems because do not want to be labeled a racist etc. Trump is able to do this because he is Donald Trump. Sander's talks about a political revolution, well we are witnessing a real one here.Not one pushed by naive 20 year olds, race batiers, marxists and assorted loser, but by normal people who just want our nation to once again be great.

Onkel Neal

02-24-16, 08:33 AM

Who knows? Maybe that's his end game. Trump plus running-mate to be named later will win, and then Trump will resign immediately after inauguration and put his VP in charge. Because he's all about the power games, and the publicity, and the news cycle. What's bigger and better than getting elected President? Getting to freaking pick all by yourself whoever you want for President, with basically no one else's say so.

Yeah, that would be the ultimate gotcha.

Hey, you guys who did not make a selection this round want, I can open the thread for 48 hours and you can select the SC D and drop.

Jimbuna

02-24-16, 09:05 AM

Wonder who Trump would want as his VP?

Probably the Pope :03:

AVGWarhawk

02-24-16, 09:09 AM

Wonder who Trump would want as his VP?

Kasich. If Trump wins the nomination he will need him to win OH to take the WH. Kasich is his best bet for that.

AVGWarhawk

02-24-16, 09:11 AM

August

02-24-16, 11:39 AM

Trump does not care he is hated. He will be executive order madman. As far as impeaching...nothing will become of it. It is all talk and hot air.

So you say but unlike Obama he won't have a political party to let him get away with it. Mark my words if he somehow beats clinton (doubtful) and gets into the white house there will be a real (and I believe ultimately successful) bipartisan effort to remove him if he acts anything like you claim he will.

Skybird

02-24-16, 11:52 AM

Polls in WSJ and by NBC show that where one year ago just 23% of Republicans could imagine to elect Trump, it now is over 65%. In the same time, the closest Republican rival Jeb Bush dropped from 75 to around 40%.

Trump being elected becomes a scenario that one must realistically take into account.

I think we must befriend with the very realistic possibility that he will not only be elected as Republican candidate - but has a very realistic chance to become POTUS, too. Indeed even a big one.

I would not claim that Sanders or Clinton would be better alternatives.

Sanders and Trump show that there is a deep mistrust of people with the political establishment. And this is what could be the dominant theme of this election.

So many clowns have been elected in European nations in the past ten years, and lately. So why not one more in the US. The masses tick by the same schemes in the US, than they do in the old world, even more so with such a huge influx of Latinamerican migrants dramatically changing the traditional demography, ethnicity and culture mix. Sanders and Trump seem to be best-equipped to handle these changes, while Clinton just represents the old ways and the old establishment of an America that maybe no longer is there already.

In the longer outlook, I would expect socialists like Sanders to dominate in America provokers like Trump. With the Latino migration comes growing demand for socialism as being seen in Middle and South America. With that comes growing support and demand for cultural change from the left in Europe.

I only say what I see as a realistic outlook. I do not say that I like it. The old establishment is bad, and must go, really. But those hoping to take over, are not better - only different, but as destructive - if not even more so.

Aktungbby

02-24-16, 12:20 PM

Well it' s pretty clearly down to the Donald and 'Stand-by-your-Man' Clinton...I'm exploring my options: http://creator.keepcalmandcarryon.com/kcp-frame/AgvLdOMJm (http://www.keepcalmandcarryon.com/buy-keep-calm-variations-and-memes/?shortcode=AgvLdOMJm#?shortcode=AgvLdOMJm) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_nationality_law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_nationality_law)

AVGWarhawk

02-24-16, 12:20 PM

So you say but unlike Obama he won't have a political party to let him get away with it. Mark my words if he somehow beats clinton (doubtful) and gets into the white house there will be a real (and I believe ultimately successful) bipartisan effort to remove him if he acts anything like you claim he will.

There is a majority of Republicans in the House/Senate that allow BO to get away with doing what he wants via executive order. None care about anything other than their own career and promise of healthcare/retirement with added bonus of having one's rear end kissed until retirement. Look at the recent history. Major sweep of House/Senate to Republican side. Yet, all of the promises to abolish Obamacare, etc, have never come to pass nor was it going to come to pass. Smoke and mirrors to keep a cushy job with benefits to die for. Trump will do what he wants with some "hurumphs" and call for "impeachment" that will never happen. The entire system is broken, bastardized and run by selfish individuals. (However, there are some that do give a darn but I find most are at the state level where the elected official is more in the forefront of local issues.)

I would not be so doubtful on Trump beating Clinton. She has more baggage than a Grey Hound bus. Just as Sanders promises "FREE, FREE, FREE", Trump can promise a serious look at cost for colleges and rectifying the issues and mean it. Businessman. Not a politician. Hillary will continue her "glass ceiling" first woman President narrative as she tries to dodge indictment(later to be pardoned by BO).

I am still like you IMH with Trump. Is this just a stunt? Will his statements get more bizarre? Will there be flashing neon lights on the WH that blink on and off...TRUMP, TRUMP, TRUMP.....

AVGWarhawk

02-24-16, 12:31 PM

[QUOTE=Skybird;2384073]I think we must befriend with the very realistic possibility that he will not only be elected as Republican candidate - but has a very realistic chance to become POTUS, too. Indeed even a big one.

Absolutely

I would not claim that Sanders or Clinton would be better alternatives.

Personally I think both are awful for this position.

Sanders and Trump show that there is a deep mistrust of people with the political establishment. And this is what could be the dominant theme of this election.

And Hillary is part of the mistrust. Her entire career stemming from Bills Presidency is sketchy.

So many clowns have been elected in European nations in the past ten years, and lately. So why not one more in the US. The masses tick by the same schemes in the US, than they do in the old world, even more so with such a huge influx of Latinamerican migrants dramatically changing the traditional demography, ethnicity and culture mix. Sanders and Trump seem to be best-equipped to handle these changes, while Clinton just represents the old ways and the old establishment of an America that maybe no longer is there already.

I concur, however, I think Sanders is just a stuffed shirt who will cave at any moment.

In the longer outlook, I would expect socialists like Sanders to dominate in America provokers like Trump. With the Latino migration comes growing demand for socialism as being seen in Middle and South America. With that comes growing support and demand for cultural change from the left in Europe.

As much as anyone would love to chant "socialism" all will at some point wonder what they have asked for and gotten as their minimum wage paychecks are garnished even deeper. No, Obama is not going to pay anyone's mortgage. Bernie is not providing free college and healthcare.

I only say what I see as a realistic outlook. I do not say that I like it. The old establishment is bad, and must go, really. But those hoping to take over, are not better - only different, but as destructive - if not even more so.

Yes, the old systems has been bastardized to such a degree that it is not recognizable any longer. I don't think the system can go back to what it was intended to be as written by the Founding Fathers.

August

02-24-16, 12:38 PM

There is a majority of Republicans in the House/Senate that allow BO to get away with doing what he wants via executive order. None care ...

They do have a majority but not the 2/3rds majority in the Senate required to convict though. Without that in the bag the attempt won't even be made.

I would not be so doubtful on Trump beating Clinton. She has more baggage than a Grey Hound bus. Just as Sanders promises "FREE, FREE, FREE", Trump can promise a serious look at cost for colleges and rectifying the issues and mean it. Businessman. Not a politician. Hillary will continue her "glass ceiling" first woman President narrative as she tries to dodge indictment(later to be pardoned by BO).

I hope you're right about Clinton but i'm not so sure that Trump will be seen as any better than her (I sure don't), and you know that the Obama Justice Department will ever indict her regardless of what the FBI determines.

STEED

02-24-16, 12:40 PM

Definitions of trump

verb
5 (intransitive) (British, slang) to expel intestinal gas through the anus

:03:

https://barbedwiresatire.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/2bb2.jpg

AVGWarhawk

02-24-16, 02:07 PM

[QUOTE=August;2384089]They do have a majority but not the 2/3rds majority in the Senate required to convict though. Without that in the bag the attempt won't even be made.

Point taken but I still believe it will be a bunch of posturing. The "impeachment" will be symbolic and a talking point for a Congressman/Senator at his next Presidential campaign event. Understand it is about continuing a career. For example: Martin O'Malley. The guy was shameless with his pandering.

I hope you're right about Clinton but i'm not so sure that Trump will be seen as any better than her (I sure don't), and you know that the Obama Justice Department will ever indict her regardless of what the FBI determines.

Clinton is the same hack establishment we have seen since Clinton, Bush, Bush Jr. and BO.

Obama needs to let the FBI drop the indictment. If not, a major slap in the face for the FBI. Obama will let the indictment stand and pardon on his last day.

AVGWarhawk

02-24-16, 02:09 PM

https://www.nwprogressive.org/weblog/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/APR11-DonaldTrumpWhiteHouse.jpg

August

02-24-16, 03:19 PM

Obama needs to let the FBI drop the indictment. If not, a major slap in the face for the FBI. Obama will let the indictment stand and pardon on his last day.

Actually the FBI doesn't indict anyone. That's the job of the DA or in this case the Attorney General. They can recommend but unfortunately that is no guarantee of prosecution.

AVGWarhawk

02-24-16, 03:53 PM

Actually the FBI doesn't indict anyone. That's the job of the DA or in this case the Attorney General. They can recommend but unfortunately that is no guarantee of prosecution.

Yes, AG. Never the less, the slap to the FBI is still present and as a law enforcement body it's image diminshed. Our AG is in the Presidents pocket.

Platapus

02-24-16, 04:47 PM

The big problem with being "The One" is that you have no friends. Trump in particular is hated by both sides of the aisle in Congress, (even more than Hitlery and way more than Sanders). I think there will be enough existing enmity to successfully impeach him if he gives them a half a reason. He oversteps his bounds and they'll be swearing in his Veep in short order.

I would agree. The only bright light of a Trump presidency is that he won't be able to get much done as both parties will probably block him. As President he willl have considerable authority over the Executive Branch but only as it does not cost any extra money. If he needs money he better get used to asking congress. I can't wait for the first time he tries to tell congress anything. :haha::haha::haha:

Platapus

02-24-16, 04:49 PM

Aye, you'd have thought that party voting would have adopted the same rules as presidential voting, but evidently not.
Curious system. :doh::dead:

With in some limitations of the law, each party can pretty much set up their primaries anyway they like. Actual elections (which a primary is technically not one) is governed by state and federal laws.

AVGWarhawk

02-24-16, 04:52 PM

I would agree. The only bright light of a Trump presidency is that he won't be able to get much done as both parties will probably block him. As President he willl have considerable authority over the Executive Branch but only as it does not cost any extra money. If he needs money he better get used to asking congress. I can't wait for the first time he tries to tell congress anything. :haha::haha::haha:

Does not matter. Executive order. All Presidents pull this out. When will America wake up and see that Congress as a governing body that no longer functions at all?

Bilge_Rat

02-24-16, 05:40 PM

Donald Trump is not my first choice by far, but I don't necessaily think he would make a bad president.

..then again...:o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EO9y4rGxvk

August

02-24-16, 06:34 PM

Does not matter. Executive order. All Presidents pull this out. When will America wake up and see that Congress as a governing body that no longer functions at all?

Of course it matters. There are severe limits to what a President can do with Executive Orders and a hostile and unified Congress will see that those limits are not exceeded if for no other reason than to prove you wrong.

August

02-24-16, 06:36 PM

I would agree. The only bright light of a Trump presidency is that he won't be able to get much done...

A wise man once said that gridlock is the best form of government for the common man. :)

Mr Quatro

02-24-16, 06:40 PM

Neal said:http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=224046&page=5

The Super Tuesday primary, select which candidate you think will win the most states. Not the most delegates, just winner/best showing in each state. 5 points, 13 if you get both parties right.

Last, after we finish the Mar 1 Super Tuesday, I'll ask who will be the eventual nominee of each party. You'll get 5 points for a correct selection, 13 if you pick the eventual winner of both parties.

Last, after the conventions, on Oct 13, you can select the winner of the Presidential race, worth 10 points.

When the President is announced, we will add up the scores and see who is the winner. I will send a Subsim mug and t-short to the winner. In case of a 2 way tie, they split the prizes. 3 way or more, I will tell you something nice.

I'll take the tee-shirt if we tie and you can say something nice anyway :woot:

Platapus

02-24-16, 07:59 PM

When will America wake up and see that Congress as a governing body that no longer functions at all?

Perhaps because what you wrote is not correct? While we may not like how a specific congress, or even specific congress members act or don't act, they still function per the law.

Congress is well within their legal rights (and responsibility) to oppose anything they feel, in their judgement, is inappropriate.

Congress is, by its very nature, a political body and politics is often the deciding factor in their decisions/in-decisions.

But the rules apply to both parties and both parties make full use/abuse of those rules. Neither side can claim any moral high ground. :nope:

It is just when the congress acts in according to my opinion, they are doing what needs to be done. However, when they act contrary to my opinion, they are useless blots on humanity. :D

Also if you read the congressional record, you will find that the congress is very busy it is just that most of what congress does does not make the news.

It should also be noted that it is in the best interest of the media to get people stirred up over things. Good news does not sell. Bad news does. :yep:

Platapus

02-24-16, 08:00 PM

A wise man once said that gridlock is the best form of government for the common man. :)

There is truth and wisdom there.

Don't just do something, stand there!

It might be cheaper in the long run. :yep:

Onkel Neal

02-24-16, 08:27 PM

Mitt Romney suggested Wednesday there may be a "bombshell" within Donald Trump's tax information.

The Republican frontrunner has been "aggressive in avoiding any discussion of taxes," Romney told Fox News host Neil Cavuto. "Frankly I think we have good reason to believe that there's a bombshell in Donald Trump's taxes."

Asked by Cavuto what problems he envisions in Trump’s taxes, Romney suggested the numbers might reveal that he pays an excessively low rate, or that he isn’t worth the hefty $10 billion he claims, or that he hasn’t given as much to veterans’ charities as he boasts. "Donald Trump has said he's the best in the country for the disabled veterans and for the disabled generally,” Romney said. “Well, if his taxes show that he hasn't made any contributions to the disabled veterans, or to the disabled generally, that would be a big issue."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/02/24/mitt-hints-bombshell-in-trump-s-taxes.html

I would love to see this played out asap. Trump is a phony, I blame the media for this whole thing. If they weren't so greedy for ratings, they would have not given this blowhard all the attention he wants. Gawd, imagine if some idiot rapper like Kanye actually ran for office, he would get 24/7 coverage. :/\\!! And the "jouranlists" have done a terrible job holding Trump and Hillary's feet to the fire. Does Hillary get asked any questions about her improper use of State emails during town halls? Does Trump ever get nailed down on how he's going to make america "great"? gah, disgusting

Betonov

02-25-16, 02:41 AM

Sailor Steve

02-25-16, 08:21 AM

AVGWarhawk

02-25-16, 09:05 AM

Of course it matters. There are severe limits to what a President can do with Executive Orders and a hostile and unified Congress will see that those limits are not exceeded if for no other reason than to prove you wrong.

You have too much faith in the checks and balances. The rules get changed at will to suit a purpose. Hence my statement that the system being bastardized into something unrecognizable to what the forefathers drafted.

AVGWarhawk

02-25-16, 09:07 AM

Perhaps because what you wrote is not correct? While we may not like how a specific congress, or even specific congress members act or don't act, they still function per the law.

Congress is well within their legal rights (and responsibility) to oppose anything they feel, in their judgement, is inappropriate.

Congress is, by its very nature, a political body and politics is often the deciding factor in their decisions/in-decisions.

But the rules apply to both parties and both parties make full use/abuse of those rules. Neither side can claim any moral high ground. :nope:

It is just when the congress acts in according to my opinion, they are doing what needs to be done. However, when they act contrary to my opinion, they are useless blots on humanity. :D

Also if you read the congressional record, you will find that the congress is very busy it is just that most of what congress does does not make the news.

It should also be noted that it is in the best interest of the media to get people stirred up over things. Good news does not sell. Bad news does. :yep:

If the Congress is using and abusing the rules then it is not functioning as designed. I stand by my statement that the government is dysfunctional.

AVGWarhawk

02-25-16, 09:13 AM

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/02/24/mitt-hints-bombshell-in-trump-s-taxes.html

I would love to see this played out asap. Trump is a phony, I blame the media for this whole thing. If they weren't so greedy for ratings, they would have not given this blowhard all the attention he wants. Gawd, imagine if some idiot rapper like Kanye actually ran for office, he would get 24/7 coverage. :/\\!! And the "jouranlists" have done a terrible job holding Trump and Hillary's feet to the fire. Does Hillary get asked any questions about her improper use of State emails during town halls? Does Trump ever get nailed down on how he's going to make america "great"? gah, disgusting

You make very good points. August and I are concerned this is just a PR stunt for Trump. And yes, Hillary is never asked the hard questions concerning emails on unsecured servers. Another orchestrated push for a person to the WH? You betcha! I have said it several times that BO was shoved up our arses, Hillary asked to step down and run when it's her turn. Cleverly orchestrated and executed.

Chris Matthews: "I Felt This Thrill Going Up My Leg" As Obama Spoke

This is our news media. We have seen it before.

Mr Quatro

02-25-16, 09:48 AM

These are the rich people ...

According to the College Board, the average cost of tuition and fees for the 2015–2016 school year was $32,405 at private colleges, $9,410 for state residents at public colleges, and $23,893 for out-of-state residents attending public universities.

The poor people join the military :yep:

AVGWarhawk

02-25-16, 12:37 PM

- high taxes for the rich is socialism, high taxes for the rich is socialism !!!!!
- this rich man pays too low taxes

If we'd invent a hypocrasy powered power plant every election somewhere would power the world.

Rich people pay 69% of all federal taxes in America
Income level Share of total federal taxes paid
Lowest 20% 0.8%
Second lowest 20% 3.4%
Middle income 9.2%
Second richest 20% 17.5%
Richest 20% 69%

Rich people pay nearly 87% of all federal individual income tax in America
Income level Share of total federal
individual income tax paid Average income tax bill
per person
Lowest 20% -2.2% -$643
Second lowest 20% -1.7% -$621
Middle income 4.2% $1,743
Second richest 20% 12.9% $6,285
Richest 20% 86.8% $50,176

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/45-of-americans-pay-no-federal-income-tax-2016-02-24?link=MW_popular

Oberon

02-25-16, 12:52 PM

The GOP is now trying to deploy the Mitt Romney device to stop Trump:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-35662202

I doubt it'll work. :doh:

Onkel Neal

02-25-16, 12:57 PM

AVGWarhawk

02-25-16, 01:07 PM

It should, I wish it would. Cruz should use the tax return issue and flail Trump mercilessly tonight. Where are the charitable donations? Are you really a billionaire or a phony? How many kids are you claiming!??

Come on, someone do a knee sweep on this goofy-haired bustard.

Personally I believe all need to be grilled with the hard questions.

As far as the donations....BO/Biden are less than stellar. Patriotic duty...yadda, yadda.

AVGWarhawk

02-25-16, 01:08 PM

The GOP is now trying to deploy the Mitt Romney device to stop Trump:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-35662202

I doubt it'll work. :doh:

Dodging and delaying? It is called an extension. Not everyone is cut and dry W2.

Betonov

02-25-16, 01:49 PM

Rich people pay 69% of all federal taxes in America
Income level Share of total federal taxes paid

The left yell like they get subsidies and the right moans like they have to pay 120% :doh:

AVGWarhawk

02-25-16, 02:30 PM

The left yell like they get subsidies and the right moans like they have to pay 120% :doh:

It has nothing to do with left or right. These are the cold hard numbers.

Betonov

02-25-16, 02:33 PM

It has nothing to do with left or right. These are the cold hard numbers.

Yes they are.
I was commenting on the comments of the left/right in regard to these numbers.

mapuc

02-25-16, 03:36 PM

It should, I wish it would. Cruz should use the tax return issue and flail Trump mercilessly tonight. Where are the charitable donations? Are you really a billionaire or a phony? How many kids are you claiming!??

Come on, someone do a knee sweep on this goofy-haired bustard.

If the mentality is the same as in Denmark and Sweden, a personal attack on his person(Trump) could backfire and give him more supporters.

Markus

AVGWarhawk

02-25-16, 03:39 PM

Yes they are.
I was commenting on the comments of the left/right in regard to these numbers.

Just to many comments on comments with associate quotes and links. I have a headache now.

:o:rotfl2:

Platapus

02-25-16, 04:49 PM

If the Congress is using and abusing the rules then it is not functioning as designed. I stand by my statement that the government is dysfunctional.

I should not have used the word abuse. That was my inner snark poking its head out.

Each side is using the rules to their advantage/disadvantage to their opponents.

I would like to point out that you are changing your position. The post I was responding to was yours when you posted that the congress "no longer functions at all".

I would agree with your new position that congress is dysfunctional, but disagree with your original position that congress no longer functions at all.

Our congress is an imperfect system. But I can't think of any other system that would be better. The solution rests with the citizens and their ability to take care about whom they vote for beyond the letter after their name.

Onkel Neal

02-25-16, 05:35 PM

Personally I believe all need to be grilled with the hard questions.

As far as the donations....BO/Biden are less than stellar. Patriotic duty...yadda, yadda.

If Cruz or Rubio would only read this, we could resume sanity.:rock:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/25/we-can-still-beat-donald-trump-and-here-s-how.html

The good news should be that Trump is one of the easiest candidates to engage and defeat in modern history. But no one is taking advantage of his vulnerabilities. To defeat a candidate, you must go at the rationale of their candidacy: don’t shoot down the airplanes, blow up the aircraft carrier. Romney attacked Perry on his strength: jobs. That’s what it takes. A campaign that beats Trump will have to prove that the core of his message and the messenger both are fakes. Here’s how.
Trump asserts he is a business success and “built a great company.” Don’t let him get away with this assertion and define himself.

Trump has a long history of failures in business. If he had taken his inheritance and put it in an index stock fund, he would be far richer. Taxpayers have bailed out his failures time and again. And as long as he refuses to release a tax return, odds are that he is hiding some dark financial secret. Challenge him on his success. The facts are on your side and it will drive him crazy.

Trump sells himself as a truth teller. Challenge it. In this campaign he has been caught in one slippery contradiction after another, even denying what he had just said hours earlier. Being loud and bombastic doesn’t make him less shifty and dishonest. Hold him accountable. “Just for once tonight, Donald, at least try to tell the truth.” Or “Tonight I want you to watch Donald Trump’s face as he is confronted with one unpleasant truth after another. As he gets redder and redder, you’ll know he knows we are on to his game. Clowns are red-faced and there is no bigger clown to ever run for president than the political con artist Donald Trump. Look, you can see it’s already working. He’s getting redder.”

Trump will help America win? No. Trump’s jumble of policies will take every bad situation and make it worse. His positions on trade are to the left of Sanders and would result in a tax on every consumer in America. That’s a Trump Tax that voters will have to pay. Tell voters about the Trump Tax.

Trump sells himself as someone who will restore America’s pride. No. Putting a guy in the Oval Office who talks about women as a “great piece of ass,” who mocks the disabled, who has boasted over and over again of sexual conquests is a disgrace. In 2000, George W. Bush talked about “restoring honor and dignity to the White House.” Donald Trump makes Bill Clinton look like a minor league wannabe in the competitive sport of hunting women with power and money. Do we really want an Oval Office with Donald “great piece of ass” Trump in it?

Subnuts

02-25-16, 08:22 PM

By this point, I'd just want a president with at least a smidgen ofhonesty, integrity, and dignity. Don't care if they're on Team D or Team R. Just somebody who can make a difficult decision from time to time, and doesn't make me want to punch the breakroom TV whenever his face pops up on CNN.

Oberon

02-25-16, 08:36 PM

They've dug up Bush Mk I to watch over this latest debate.

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/lostgospel/_images/_timeline/02_01.jpg

Torplexed

02-25-16, 08:40 PM

Yet another "debate" tonight. Maybe a desperate Cruz or Rubio will get some fur to fly.

I think Mr. T has the nomination wrapped up though. I pity the fools.

Oberon

02-25-16, 09:06 PM

Rubio seems to have gone on the offensive, Cruz seems to have gone to sleep. :hmmm:

Buddahaid

02-25-16, 09:53 PM

It's just a sign of the times where popularity trumps substance. Pun intended. Star Search meets serious politics. Really?

Aktungbby

02-25-16, 10:30 PM

They've dug up Bush Mk I to watch over this latest debate.

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/lostgospel/_images/_timeline/02_01.jpg Did U really mean debate or did U misspell debacle! Nice pic : they're all lyres:O: with apology/credit to Sailor Steve who previously used this pun!:up:

AVGWarhawk

02-26-16, 09:10 AM

I watched a bit of the GOP debate televised last night. I honestly believe all but two are off their rockers. Rubio, Cruz and Trump. Carson is half on the rocker and likes fruit. Kasich is 3/4 on the rocker.

Kasich appears to be the most level headed of the bunch.

Oberon

02-26-16, 09:28 AM

Did U really mean debate or did U misspell debacle!

Yes. :03:

Anyway, I think this pic sums up last nights debate:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcHQrDyXIAASO8e.jpg:large

AVGWarhawk

02-26-16, 10:06 AM

Oberon

02-26-16, 12:17 PM

Oberon,

It was seriously a waste of time watching last night. I came away less than happy with any one of the candidates with exception of Kasich. Kasich was asked a few questions and was not able to bury himself. But, what he did say had some substance IMO.

I think Rubio fought against Trump well but didn't really do anything else, Kaisch...bless him, he has always tried to be the sensible one in the group, who doesn't want to play the cheap soundbite game. He's like the one guy in the group who is trying to stop the whole thing from dissolving into a punch up.

The thing is, and this is something that should concern any Republican who is worried at the concept of Trump winning the primaries, and that is where Trump is getting his voters from. I mean this is a guy who acts like a giant child, he's come out with so many comments that would get any other politician canned, not because it's politically uncorrect, but because it's crass and unbecoming of a person who wants to be president of the most powerful country on the planet. Yet everytime he opens his mouth and puts his foot in it, his pollings just get higher.
Who is he appealing to? And why are there such a large selection of them in the Republican party voting base? What has attracted them to the Republican party? And are they people that the Republican party really want to attract?

And, honestly, if I were the president of Mexico and I'd watched that debate last night, and seen Trumps pollings...I'd be on the telephone to Vladimir Putin or Xi Jinping and asking them how much they would like bases in Mexico, perhaps in exchange for helping the Mexican military root out and destroy the drug cartels. :hmmm:

AVGWarhawk

02-26-16, 12:35 PM

Oberon;2384665]I think Rubio fought against Trump well but didn't really do anything else, Kaisch...bless him, he has always tried to be the sensible one in the group, who doesn't want to play the cheap soundbite game. He's like the one guy in the group who is trying to stop the whole thing from dissolving into a punch up. Kaisch did leave me with an impression he is levelheaded and is genuine. I would have hoped more time was spent with Kaisch than the three children fighting center stage.

The thing is, and this is something that should concern any Republican who is worried at the concept of Trump winning the primaries, and that is where Trump is getting his voters from. I mean this is a guy who acts like a giant child, he's come out with so many comments that would get any other politician canned, not because it's politically uncorrect, but because it's crass and unbecoming of a person who wants to be president of the most powerful country on the planet. Yet everytime he opens his mouth and puts his foot in it, his pollings just get higher. His supporters are those that are tired of the PC, nonsense feel good everyone gets a trophy, do not offend, its not their fault and government shoving unwanted programs up their rear. Apparently there are a lot them.

Who is he appealing to? And why are there such a large selection of them in the Republican party voting base? What has attracted them to the Republican party? And are they people that the Republican party really want to attract? He is appealing to those that have had enough. I have had enough. This year, my taxes for 2015, I'm being asked how much my deductible is for my healthcare program. Further, my premiums have gone through the roof. For what? To support the healthcare system. What else will I be supporting down the road? A lot of folks appear to have their fill of the crap sandwich handed to them.

And, honestly, if I were the president of Mexico and I'd watched that debate last night, and seen Trumps pollings...I'd be on the telephone to Vladimir Putin or Xi Jinping and asking them how much they would like bases in Mexico, perhaps in exchange for helping the Mexican military root out and destroy the drug cartels. :hmmm: The President of Mexico can call anyone he likes. However, he will not. A better part of their gross national product is building cars for major manufacturers and drugs. What he should be considering is building more tunnels.

AVGWarhawk

02-26-16, 01:07 PM

Chris Christie endorsed Trump.

Aktungbby

02-26-16, 01:54 PM

Chris Christie endorsed Trump.

Nuthin like a 'fat cat' endorsement!:woot:

Oberon

02-26-16, 02:27 PM

Kaisch did leave me with an impression he is levelheaded and is genuine. I would have hoped more time was spent with Kaisch than the three children fighting center stage.

It would have been nice, but sadly I think Kaisch is pretty much out of the running now, and Carson is like a zombie, he died a long time ago but the limbs are still moving.

His supporters are those that are tired of the PC, nonsense feel good everyone gets a trophy, do not offend, its not their fault and government shoving unwanted programs up their rear. Apparently there are a lot them.

I can understand the whole government shoving unwanted programs up the rear frustration, and yeah, I can understand the frustration with PC, even if I think that it's a little overhyped at times. But there's a difference between being non-PC and being down-right insulting, and Trump is definitely falling on the latter side of that line. I mean poking fun at a guy with disabilities is not being un-PC, it's being a dick.

He is appealing to those that have had enough. I have had enough. This year, my taxes for 2015, I'm being asked how much my deductible is for my healthcare program. Further, my premiums have gone through the roof. For what? To support the healthcare system. What else will I be supporting down the road? A lot of folks appear to have their fill of the crap sandwich handed to them.

I fear that these folks will find themselves just changing the type of crap in the crap sandwich.

The President of Mexico can call anyone he likes. However, he will not. A better part of their gross national product is building cars for major manufacturers and drugs. What he should be considering is building more tunnels.

Depends on how hard Trump comes down on them I guess, reactions to actions and all that. If the US wants to play hardball with Mexico then it would make sense for Mexico to have an equally hardball game plan to play back with. My enemies enemy is my friend, as they say.

U505995

02-26-16, 02:41 PM

I can understand the whole government shoving unwanted programs up the rear frustration, and yeah, I can understand the frustration with PC, even if I think that it's a little overhyped at times. But there's a difference between being non-PC and being down-right insulting, and Trump is definitely falling on the latter side of that line. I mean poking fun at a guy with disabilities is not being un-PC, it's being a dick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbGnGm1dyP8
Have you seen what is going on in American campuses? The kind of pc nonsense is crazy. This video will introduce you to the regressive left.

Peter Cremer

02-26-16, 02:43 PM

Yet another "debate" tonight. Maybe a desperate Cruz or Rubio will get some fur to fly.

I think Mr. T has the nomination wrapped up though. I pity the fools.

If Trump wins the nomination, then the criminal Hillary is your next corrupt President. She also plans to fully support Obamacare. Also guarantees to confiscate all civilian firearms and I mean all of them.

AVGWarhawk

02-26-16, 02:45 PM

Oberon;2384686]It would have been nice, but sadly I think Kaisch is pretty much out of the running now, and Carson is like a zombie, he died a long time ago but the limbs are still moving. :har:

I can understand the whole government shoving unwanted programs up the rear frustration, and yeah, I can understand the frustration with PC, even if I think that it's a little overhyped at times. But there's a difference between being non-PC and being down-right insulting, and Trump is definitely falling on the latter side of that line. I mean poking fun at a guy with disabilities is not being un-PC, it's being a dick.It is far beyond frustration. It is getting to the boiling point. Understand that government is only part of the problem. There are other societal issues that simply will never get fixed no matter how much money is thrown at it. I did not hear anything about Trump hard timing a person with disabilities. However, I do recall McCain getting put down for not using social media(smart phones/computers) when running against Obama. McCain can not work with these two appliances for communication easily as his hands have been disfigured when imprisoned during the Vietnam war. It goes both ways. It does not make it right though.

I fear that these folks will find themselves just changing the type of crap in the crap sandwich.We can only hope we like the taste a bit better because the current sandwich is getting spoiled beyond recognition even the maggots refuse to roost on it.

Depends on how hard Trump comes down on them I guess, reactions to actions and all that. If the US wants to play hardball with Mexico then it would make sense for Mexico to have an equally hardball game plan to play back with. My enemies enemy is my friend, as they say. Trump does not want to come down hard on Mexico. He wants to build a wall. Provide proper channels for obtaining citizenship. As it stands the border is wide open for anyone to cross. The crossing Mexicans are not the only concern.

I don't know about you but I'm exhausted with the screwed up system of government on a rudderless ship plying the waters on the voyage to nowhere.

AVGWarhawk

02-26-16, 02:49 PM

If Trump wins the nomination, then the criminal Hillary is your next corrupt President. She also plans to fully support Obamacare. Also guarantees to confiscate all civilian firearms and I mean all of them.

Understand that Hillary's little pet project during Bills Presidency was a universal healthcare system. I does not surprise me in the least that she keeps Obamacare.

As far as confiscating guns....I do not see that happening in your and my lifetime. If ever. The mayhem that would ensue from making a blanket objective of citizen reporting to the smelter with their weapons would be of Biblical proportions. Not to mention they are not taking our bacon either. :stare:

Peter Cremer

02-26-16, 03:07 PM

Understand that Hillary's little pet project during Bills Presidency was a universal healthcare system. I does not surprise me in the least that she keeps Obamacare.

As far as confiscating guns....I do not see that happening in your and my lifetime. If ever. The mayhem that would ensue from making a blanket objective of citizen reporting to the smelter with their weapons would be of Biblical proportions. Not to mention they are not taking our bacon either. :stare:

Yes, I remember the healthcare system she promised. She said it would be done in 'the first 100 days in office'. It never happened. She recently said she would do something 'in her first 100 days in office' but I can't remember what it was but would like to be reminded. As far as confiscating guns, at 67 years old, I don't see it happening in my lifetime either. She doesn't mean get them all at once. She means to, over a period of time, make it so difficult and expensive to own any kind of gun that people will not be able to afford it even if they can get a permit to do so. Criminals will be happy.

And they won't get my pig meat either!

Platapus

02-26-16, 03:17 PM

I remember when "Idiocracy" was just a funny movie about an impossible future. Little did I ever realize that I might be experiencing it until this election cycle.

Rockin Robbins

02-26-16, 03:24 PM

AVGWarhawk

02-26-16, 03:37 PM

Yes, I remember the healthcare system she promised. She said it would be done in 'the first 100 days in office'. It never happened. She recently said she would do something 'in her first 100 days in office' but I can't remember what it was but would like to be reminded. As far as confiscating guns, at 67 years old, I don't see it happening in my lifetime either. She doesn't mean get them all at once. She means to, over a period of time, make it so difficult and expensive to own any kind of gun that people will not be able to afford it even if they can get a permit to do so. Criminals will be happy.

And they won't get my pig meat either!

They all promise some BS the first 100 days. I ignore and let it go in one ear and out the other. As far as reducing guns over a period of time, IMO that would decades after decades. Plus, it creates a black market(larger than what we have now). Guns will never be eradicated here in the US.

And her brilliant Hillarycare insurance made it a felony for you to pay a doctor to cut your fingernails. Made him a felon too. It wasn't a health care law, it was a forced dependency law. And she didn't fail to get it done she was stopped.

She had some grandiouse delusions back then. At the end of the day Obamacare will stay if Hillary makes the WH. So Hillary was stopped in the 80's. This time around healthcare was force fed. I feel more force feeding is in our future.

Onkel Neal

02-26-16, 04:05 PM

It would have been nice, but sadly I think Kaisch is pretty much out of the running now, and Carson is like a zombie, he died a long time ago but the limbs are still moving.

I can understand the whole government shoving unwanted programs up the rear frustration, and yeah, I can understand the frustration with PC, even if I think that it's a little overhyped at times. But there's a difference between being non-PC and being down-right insulting, and Trump is definitely falling on the latter side of that line. I mean poking fun at a guy with disabilities is not being un-PC, it's being a dick.

.

Exactly. Trump has no class. It's really hard for me to picture him as my President.

Sigh, though if it come to a choice between him and Hillery....:dead:

If Trump wins the nomination, then the criminal Hillary is your next corrupt President. She also plans to fully support Obamacare. Also guarantees to confiscate all civilian firearms and I mean all of them.

Onkel Neal

02-26-16, 04:10 PM

I remember when "Idiocracy" was just a funny movie about an impossible future. Little did I ever realize that I might be experiencing it until this election cycle.

Man, the first 10 minutes of that movie really scarred me for life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unoMMru4-c0

AVGWarhawk

02-26-16, 04:55 PM

Exactly. Trump has no class. It's really hard for me to picture him as my President.

It was hard for many to see Obama as President. It came to pass and we have 7 strong years of apologizing to the world for just about everything. I think Biden is even apologizing to Mexico just yesterday for Trumps rhetoric. :88)

Mr Quatro

02-26-16, 07:57 PM

It was hard for many to see Obama as President. It came to pass and we have 7 strong years of apologizing to the world for just about everything. I think Biden is even apologizing to Mexico just yesterday for Trumps rhetoric. :88)

Me too:yep:

Notice no one is talking about the national debt:http://www.argusobserver.com/independent/opinion/national-debt-we-must-get-real/article_54e34a90-db1b-11e5-b50e-6f7c90dcf4e0.html

As our national debt now exceeds $19 trillion and as Congress prepares to establish budget frameworks for the coming year,
the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has issued projections that require us to …

Cybermat47

02-26-16, 10:37 PM

Given the choice between Clinton or Trump as the next leader of my country's biggest ally, I would choose...

Putin.

Oberon

02-26-16, 11:13 PM

This is the bit where Trump made a mockery of reporter Serge Kovaleski who suffers from arthrogryposis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX9reO3QnUA

Note the way he flails his hands, clearly taking the mickey out of the wya Kovaleskis hands shake and his arm motion is limited as a result of his condition. This happened during Trumps assertion that 'Thousands of Muslims in NYC celebrated 9/11' (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/22/donald-trump/fact-checking-trumps-claim-thousands-new-jersey-ch/), which he claimed that he read from Kovaleskis article, Kovaleski denied that he had written about thousands of Muslims, and that's what Trump was talking about when he did his little stunt.

Now in regards to Mexico, the problem with the wall (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/26/so-how-high-will-donald-trumps-wall-be-an-investigation/) is that Trump isn't just building one, he's claiming that he's going to make Mexico pay for it. This 55 foot (although he keeps claiming that 'another ten feet' will be going on it whenever someone in Mexico either ridicles or dismisses his idea as ludicrous) wall that he reckons will only cost $15b. Now, it's possible that he could well force them, via trade threats to fork out $15b to build this wall, but the damage that would be done politically...
I really wouldn't blame the Mexican president if he just let China and Russia come in and station bombers and tanks in Mexico if Trump became president.

Not to mention that his economic policies themselves are likely to be disastrous (http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21663225-why-donald-dangerous-trumps-america?fsrc=scn%2Ftw%2Fte%2Fpe%2Fed%2Fwhythedonal disdangerous) for America and the world.

Sure, I get that the American people are fed up, they're not the first people in the world to get disillusioned in a political system that isn't living up to its potential. But electing someone like Trump is a mistake, the sort of mistake that countries generally live to regret.

mako88sb

02-27-16, 01:07 AM

Now in regards to Mexico, the problem with the wall (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/26/so-how-high-will-donald-trumps-wall-be-an-investigation/) is that Trump isn't just building one, he's claiming that he's going to make Mexico pay for it. This 55 foot (although he keeps claiming that 'another ten feet' will be going on it whenever someone in Mexico either ridicles or dismisses his idea as ludicrous) wall that he reckons will only cost $15b. Now, it's possible that he could well force them, via trade threats to fork out $15b to build this wall, but the damage that would be done politically...
I really wouldn't blame the Mexican president if he just let China and Russia come in and station bombers and tanks in Mexico if Trump became president.

Not to mention that his economic policies themselves are likely to be disastrous (http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21663225-why-donald-dangerous-trumps-america?fsrc=scn%2Ftw%2Fte%2Fpe%2Fed%2Fwhythedonal disdangerous) for America and the world.

Sure, I get that the American people are fed up, they're not the first people in the world to get disillusioned in a political system that isn't living up to its potential. But electing someone like Trump is a mistake, the sort of mistake that countries generally live to regret.

Yes he's quite the buffoon. It seems 41% of US citizens think a wall on the Canadian border would be appropriate. No doubt Trudeau Jr could be easily hoodwinked into paying for it all and compensating any Americans that have ever been offended by our lifestyle.

August

02-27-16, 01:15 AM

But electing someone like Trump is a mistake, the sort of mistake that countries generally live to regret.

I agree but electing Clinton would be a bigger one. Incompetent, autocratic, crooked and a notable liar in a profession of liars, she must not be elected POTUS even if it means electing Donald Trump.

Cybermat47

02-27-16, 01:22 AM

Torplexed

02-27-16, 03:24 AM

I agree but electing Clinton would be a bigger one. Incompetent, autocratic, crooked and a notable liar in a profession of liars, she must not be elected POTUS even if it means electing Donald Trump.

I don't think Hillary Clinton has a prayer against Trump. Trump will jab her repeatedly and he won’t let up. And because Clinton actually has lied, and actually did vote for the Iraq War, and actually is hyper-cozy with Wall Street, and actually does switch her positions based on expediency, all she can do is issue further implausible denials, which will just further embolden Trump.

Nor does she have a single offensive weapon at her disposal, since every legitimate criticism of Trump’s background (inconsistent political positions, shady financial dealings, pattern of deception) applies equally to Clinton, and he knows how to make such allegations slide off him, and she does not. The whole Clinton campaign has been unraveling from its inception. It fell apart completely in 2008, and has barely held together against the longest of long shot candidates.

Not to mention she hasn't exactly been looking the picture of health lately with the long coughing jags.

Mr Quatro

02-27-16, 05:35 AM

http://ivn.us/2016/02/26/in-2016-race-phantom-policy-proposals-disguise-trillions-added-to-national-debt/

According to information the Washington Post and the New York Times recently published,
this is how much each candidate would add to the debt:

Rubio – $8.2 trillion
Cruz – $10.2 trillion
Trump – $11.2 – $15 trillion
Sanders – $19 – $30 trillion

What if Hillary stumbles? She has already lost her security clearance from this email scandal. What would winning the POTUS do, restore it?

Sanders and Trump would be like black and white ... poor aligned against the rich.
America would never be the same with either man winning.

You can't cuss your way into the White House no matter who you are ...

All that leaves is Sanders or Clinton :yep:

Oberon

02-27-16, 06:43 AM

I agree but electing Clinton would be a bigger one. Incompetent, autocratic, crooked and a notable liar in a profession of liars, she must not be elected POTUS even if it means electing Donald Trump.

Indeed, as curious as it sounds, Bernie Sanders is probably Americas best hope at stopping Trump from being President. I think more Republicans would vote for him instead of Trump than who would vote for Hilary.

Republicans voting for a democratic-socialist to stop a demagogue from becoming the President.

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/238/933/8da.png

August

02-27-16, 09:31 AM

Who would you choose between Sanders and Trump, though? :hmmm:

That'd be a lot tougher of a choice. I may not agree with Sanders on a lot of issues but I feel he is the more honorable of the two. In the end though his anti-gun stance is a deal breaker for me.

Oberon

02-27-16, 11:12 AM

That'd be a lot tougher of a choice. I may not agree with Sanders on a lot of issues but I feel he is the more honorable of the two. In the end though his anti-gun stance is a deal breaker for me.

I wouldn't say that Trump is much better in that regard, this is a guy who back in 2000 said (http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Donald_Trump_Gun_Control.htm):

I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun. With today’s Internet technology we should be able to tell within 72-hours if a potential gun owner has a record. And:

It’s often argued that the American murder rate is high because guns are more available here than in other countries. Democrats want to confiscate all guns, which is a dumb idea because only the law-abiding citizens would turn in their guns and the bad guys would be the only ones left armed. The Republicans walk the NRA line and refuse even limited restrictions. Which, honestly, is not that different from Sanders current stance, with the exception that Sanders wants to close the gun show loophole (http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Gun_Control.htm) with regards to background checks.

Platapus

02-27-16, 03:14 PM

Perhaps what we need is not gun control but crazy people control. :yep:

Oberon

02-27-16, 11:14 PM

Perhaps what we need is not gun control but crazy people control. :yep:

Too late, they're already in Congress.

AVGWarhawk

02-27-16, 11:36 PM

Perhaps what we need is not gun control but crazy people control. :yep:

Decades ago there was.

Platapus

02-28-16, 08:01 AM

It is a sad, an illogical, thing when we start holding objects accountable and not people for actions.

Onkel Neal

02-28-16, 10:46 AM

Indeed, as curious as it sounds, Bernie Sanders is probably Americas best hope at stopping Trump from being President. I think more Republicans would vote for him instead of Trump than who would vote for Hilary.

Republicans voting for a democratic-socialist to stop a demagogue from becoming the President.

Bernie is done, he cannot win nearly enough delegates in the South, plus the Democratic party will bank all the "superdelegates" to Hillery. No, I'm afraid the writing is on the wall. Trump vs Clinton. Republicans will back the demogogue. Edit: and I don't completely blame the people who support Trump, they are clearly tired of politics as usual. Unfortunately, the alternative is pretty bad. :(

Oberon

02-28-16, 12:04 PM

Mr Quatro

02-28-16, 04:54 PM

Neal was right in that other voting thread saying that Rubio is too little too late, really sad too. He could've been a winner if he had been this strong at first.

Hey! Maybe next time in 2020 Rubio could make a difference even if Trump wins he could say, "I told you so"

Cruz might take Texas, but that is all not even one Senator has backed him up, duh :oops:

Sanders said he would stay in the race till California, but he got beat so bad in SC because he only made two visits. He must have known someone didn't like him there.

Donald Trump has a secret and even though he will more than likely win Super Tuesday ... he has a lot of explaining to do about his tax returns and his con artist Trump University (really bad hard sell and lied even about that).

But Trump has been winning anyway ... I predict his choice for VP is going to be Christie and that will help him beat Hillary ... okay maybe beat Hillary.

This is the best campaign I have ever seen ... I was wrong on Mccain and Bush :oops: surely I can get this one right :o

Oberon

02-28-16, 06:24 PM

The 199 People, Places and Things that Donald Trump has insulted on twitter:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/01/28/upshot/donald-trump-twitter-insults.html?_r=1

Onkel Neal

02-28-16, 08:55 PM

Yup, sadly I think you're right, and I think Trump will probably get it.

Bravo. :dead:

I'll say this much for Bernie, he has integrity. He could have roasted Hillery many times but he took the high road.

And I agree with him, high income donors and Wall Street needs a correction.

Oberon

02-29-16, 07:08 AM

I'll say this much for Bernie, he has integrity. He could have roasted Hillery many times but he took the high road.

And I agree with him, high income donors and Wall Street needs a correction.

He's got a lot of good points, but his particular brand of politics has a bad name in America, over in Europe he'd probably go quite well, but in America... Well, I'm surprised he's done as well as he has. :hmmm:

AVGWarhawk

02-29-16, 12:03 PM

Bernie is done, he cannot win nearly enough delegates in the South, plus the Democratic party will bank all the "superdelegates" to Hillery. No, I'm afraid the writing is on the wall. Trump vs Clinton. Republicans will back the demogogue. Edit: and I don't completely blame the people who support Trump, they are clearly tired of politics as usual. Unfortunately, the alternative is pretty bad. :(

IMO Bernie will hang on and keep himself in the news. Hillary has a bit of problem brewing in DC concerning emails and unsecured servers, etc. Bernie will be around. Do not count out Biden. Stranger crap has happened inside the beltway.

As for Trump, I really do believe some dirt will be found. It will not rise off either. The odd ball stuff is already surfacing with the questioning of Trump tax returns. We have seen perspective candidates get completely destroyed by the media. Good old Herman Cain. We witness his destruction that took less than 3 days.

AVGWarhawk

02-29-16, 12:06 PM

I'll say this much for Bernie, he has integrity. He could have roasted Hillery many times but he took the high road.

And I agree with him, high income donors and Wall Street needs a correction.

Bernie is a nervous breakdown waiting to happen.

Edit: What correction is Bernie speaking of? The market has been flat line for the entire 2015 year. Jan 2016 the markets have lost considerable amount and slowly regaining bits and pieces. The market reacts to big oil and drives it. The Feds screw with interest rates. I don't think Bernie possessing any type of portfolio with any broker who handles the markets. IMO Bernie is clueless concerning the markets.

I would like to add the Trump mantra of "Making America Great Again" is pure dribble. America is great. Sure, she had her scabs that some continually scratch open but by and large America is a great country.

Mr Quatro

02-29-16, 01:18 PM

Bernie is a nervous breakdown waiting to happen.

Bernie Sanders had me worried that America would never be great again :o

STEED

02-29-16, 01:42 PM

Oberon

02-29-16, 02:23 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGc2nN9OguQ

Mr Quatro

02-29-16, 03:18 PM

Breaking news:http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/28/politics/donald-trump-white-supremacists/index.html

Donald Trump is trying to clean up a racially charged controversy Monday after he refused to disavow former Ku Klux Klan grand wizard David Duke over the weekend.

This is on a web page, but on CNN right now is a huge rally against Donald Trump in his own rally with hundreds of young black people marching around with signs that say, "Black lives matter"

I bet his slow take on the KKK is going to cost him in the south :yep:

Oberon

02-29-16, 03:35 PM

Could well just improve his ratings, this does seem to be backwards year. :hmmm:

AVGWarhawk

02-29-16, 03:40 PM

Bernie Sanders had me worried that America would never be great again :o

Yep, peddle discord and mayhem. Working for Trump. Might as work for Bernie. America is great. Proof is in the puddling. People are rushing the borders like gangbusters!

AVGWarhawk

02-29-16, 03:42 PM

One advantage we have in the UK its all done and dusted in six weeks flat. You guys go on and on and on with these elections, I was hearing on the radio the next Presidential elections after this is already under way!

It's damn exhausting and repetitive. As soon as the election is decided they start in on Congressional elections. Then the added local government elections. :doh:

AVGWarhawk

02-29-16, 03:45 PM

Breaking news:http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/28/politics/donald-trump-white-supremacists/index.html

This is on a web page, but on CNN right now is a huge rally against Donald Trump in his own rally with hundreds of young black people marching around with signs that say, "Black lives matter"

I bet his slow take on the KKK is going to cost him in the south :yep:

Trump disavowed David Duke years ago. Yesterday he said he did not recall who David Duke is and can not comment until he investigates this individual associated with the KKK. CNN twisting the news again?

Oberon

02-29-16, 03:53 PM

America is great.

Bingo, people always think that things aren't as good as they used to be, and yet it's always a damn sight better than most others.

mapuc

02-29-16, 05:15 PM

I see Clinton as the big winner in the Dem Super Tuesday and I'am very sure Sanders is going to drop after this big electoral loss

As for GOP, I see Trump win many states and Rubio win some

Even here I see some drops 3 of them

On Thursday I see

Clinton as Dem candidate

Rep-Trump and Rubio as their candidate.

Markus

Bilge_Rat

02-29-16, 05:40 PM

AVGWarhawk

02-29-16, 07:07 PM

AVGWarhawk

02-29-16, 07:08 PM

Bingo, people always think that things aren't as good as they used to be, and yet it's always a damn sight better than most others.

The news media does a fine job of bringing gloom and doom.

August

02-29-16, 07:52 PM

Trump disavowed David Duke years ago. Yesterday he said he did not recall who David Duke is and can not comment until he investigates this individual associated with the KKK. CNN twisting the news again?

They reported today that he said he had a bad ear piece and had trouble making out what the interviewer was asking him. Considering he had already disavowed Duke not only years ago but via social media right after the endorsement i'm inclined to believe him. Of course the Democrats will milk it as indeed they already are.

AVGWarhawk

02-29-16, 08:57 PM

They reported today that he said he had a bad ear piece and had trouble making out what the interviewer was asking him. Considering he had already disavowed Duke not only years ago but via social media right after the endorsement i'm inclined to believe him. Of course the Democrats will milk it as indeed they already are.

The media will milk it all day long. Next week the media will report David Duke and Trump play poker together. Just another circus.

Onkel Neal

02-29-16, 10:14 PM

I unequivocally disavow David Duke and the KKK!

Whew, just in time.

Cybermat47

02-29-16, 10:36 PM

Next time he will know better. Harsh I know.

3-4 feet really doesn't justify that reaction. It's like shooting someone because they have a gun in a holster and are minding their own business.

Oberon

02-29-16, 11:04 PM

It's like shooting someone because they have a gun in a holster and are minding their own business.

That's probably next week. :yep:

August

02-29-16, 11:26 PM

I unequivocally disavow David Duke and the KKK!

Whew, just in time.

You're smart to get that on the record. :yep:

Jimbuna

03-01-16, 08:11 AM

That's probably next week. :yep:

LOL :)

AVGWarhawk

03-01-16, 09:07 AM

3-4 feet really doesn't justify that reaction. It's like shooting someone because they have a gun in a holster and are minding their own business.

Jumping a cordoned off line to get in the fray of 10-15 people in a ever growing volatile situation in hopes of a better picture should elicit what response from security? He was not minding his own business. He was crossing a cordoned off section for his own and others safety.

If you look closely there is an exchange of words between the photographer and agent. I wonder what was said here because it appears to have been something the agent did not want to hear.

Onkel Neal

03-01-16, 09:28 AM

overreaction?

https://media.giphy.com/media/xT9DPC6VftJUgNtYmk/giphy.gif

look at the bottom center, veteran TIME magazine reporter Chris Morris being slammed to the ground by a Secret Service Agent at a Trump rally.

Apparently he was 3-4 feet outside the designated press area.

http://time.com/4241899/donald-trump-rally-time-photographer-chris-morris/

From everything I've read and seen, not an overreaction
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/02/29/secret_service_agent_violently_slams_photographer_ to_the_ground_virginia.html

Photographer moved out of the press zone, the agent asked him to step back in, and in one clip you can clearly see the photographer say, "F.Y.". Then the agent responded with a take down. I guess the photographer should have shown a little more courtesy.:haha: I do not blame the agent at all.

Plus, the news twerp was white and the agent was black so, bonus points are involved.

AVGWarhawk

03-01-16, 10:02 AM

From everything I've read and seen, not an overreaction
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/02/29/secret_service_agent_violently_slams_photographer_ to_the_ground_virginia.html

Photographer moved out of the press zone, the agent asked him to step back in, and in one clip you can clearly see the photographer say, "F.Y.". Then the agent responded with a take down. I guess the photographer should have shown a little more courtesy.:haha: I do not blame the agent at all.

Plus, the news twerp was white and the agent was black so, bonus points are involved.

Exactly. Security is security. Press pass does not provide free pass on security. Press pass does not provide a time out chair when protocol for security is breached by said press photographer. The photographer was in the process of making a volatile situation more volatile. No time out chairs were available. He got the take down.

“I’ve worked for nine years at the White House and have never had an altercation with the Secret Service,” Christopher Morris said in a statement. “What happened today was very unfortunate and unexpected. The rules at Trump events are significantly stricter than other campaigns and make it very difficult to work as a photographer, as many others have pointed out before me. You have not had altercations prior because you probably stayed in the press box and did not drop the F bomb as you made you way out of the press box into the fray. What happened was unexpected? What did he expect? The rules for Tump are no different than any other event for campaigning. What a crock.

Onkel Neal

03-01-16, 11:52 AM

Exactly. And for old-school guys like me, telling someone F-you is the equivalent to a slap and "whattare ya gonna to do about it?":nope:

Edit: Voted. :(

Oberon

03-01-16, 01:18 PM

The only people who can save the GOP are the GOP, and they don't want to:

http://whatever.scalzi.com/2016/03/01/dear-gop-we-cant-save-you-if-you-wont-save-yourself/

AVGWarhawk

03-01-16, 01:30 PM

The only people who can save the GOP are the GOP, and they don't want to:

http://whatever.scalzi.com/2016/03/01/dear-gop-we-cant-save-you-if-you-wont-save-yourself/

Let the GOP slip into obscurity. Simply rename it NOP(New Old Party). :yeah:

Oberon

03-01-16, 02:17 PM

The New Old Party of Excellence? :hmmm:

AVGWarhawk

03-01-16, 02:23 PM

The New Old Party of Excellence? :hmmm:

The New Old Party of Politics or NOPP. The party of NO! :up:

Oberon

03-01-16, 02:47 PM

The New Old Party of Politics or NOPP. The party of NO! :up:

https://hateandanger.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/yip-yip-yip-nope-nope-nope.jpg

August

03-01-16, 02:48 PM

The Democrats would then be the Party Of Government Bans And Regulation

or POGBAR for short...

AVGWarhawk

03-01-16, 02:55 PM

The Democrats would then be the Party Of Government Bans And Regulation

or POGBAR for short...

GOSM(Government of Smoke and Mirrors)

Oberon

03-01-16, 03:08 PM

Nah, the Politically Correct Party, surely? Good old bit of PCP, and we'll get through the elections just fiiiiine. :arrgh!:

AVGWarhawk

03-01-16, 03:29 PM

Nah, the Politically Correct Party, surely? Good old bit of PCP, and we'll get through the elections just fiiiiine. :arrgh!:

PCP? Phencyclidine (PCP) Also known as angel dust. Yep, they are on drugs alright. :haha:

Oberon

03-01-16, 04:07 PM

PCP? Phencyclidine (PCP) Also known as angel dust. Yep, they are on drugs alright. :haha:

Aren't both sides at this point? It's about the only explanation that fits the outcome... :doh:

AVGWarhawk

03-01-16, 04:08 PM

Aren't both sides at this point? It's about the only explanation that fits the outcome... :doh:

All are definitely on something illicit.

Oberon

03-01-16, 04:16 PM

All are definitely on something illicit.

And by the time this is all over, so will most of the American public I think. :03:

AVGWarhawk

03-01-16, 04:29 PM

And by the time this is all over, so will most of the American public I think. :03:

At the end of the day....Trump will lose this on his own accord. Hillary will be next President of the United States.

Cybermat47

03-01-16, 04:32 PM

Jumping a cordoned off line to get in the fray of 10-15 people in a ever growing volatile situation in hopes of a better picture should elicit what response from security? He was not minding his own business. He was crossing a cordoned off section for his own and others safety.

If you look closely there is an exchange of words between the photographer and agent. I wonder what was said here because it appears to have been something the agent did not want to hear.

In that case, the guard should have quietly escorted the journalist off the premises, not slam him into the ground. Probably would've saved himself some paperwork, too.

Unless he had a weapon and was threatening to kill someone, I just can't see the point of bodyslamming him.

AVGWarhawk

03-01-16, 04:40 PM

In that case, the guard should have quietly escorted the journalist off the premises, not slam him into the ground. Probably would've saved himself some paperwork, too.

Unless he had a weapon and was threatening to kill someone, I just can't see the point of bodyslamming him.

Sorry you feel this way. Did the agent know if he had a weapon or not? Good time to pull it out when the fray of 20 people pushing through and out of the building, no?

Next time the agent will call time out chair.

August

03-01-16, 04:40 PM

At the end of the day....Trump will lose this on his own accord. Hillary will be next President of the United States.

So you think she'll be giving her acceptance speech from her jail cell?

AVGWarhawk

03-01-16, 04:41 PM

So you think she'll be giving her acceptance speech from her jail cell?

She is getting a free pass. You heard it here first.

vienna

03-01-16, 04:57 PM

All are definitely on something illicit.

I believe it is called "Big Corporate Cash and PAC Money"...

I am inclined to see if we can exhume this candidate and see if he can save us:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn69wP-jD2Y

Failing that, maybe we can get this fellow to consider running again; he has proper conservative credentials; after all he used to play golf with Bob Hope:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i4EnjRKVQw

<O>

mapuc

03-01-16, 05:18 PM

STEED

03-01-16, 05:51 PM

At the end of the day....Trump will lose this on his own accord. Hillary will be next President of the United States.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02831/Clinton1web_2831249b.jpg

Yea baby you know it because you want me.

em2nought

03-01-16, 06:43 PM

Unless he had a weapon and was threatening to kill someone, I just can't see the point of bodyslamming him.

Oh come on, what red blooded American doesn't want to body slam a member of the slanted press. :D

Mr Quatro

03-01-16, 07:00 PM

You can't win the cussing game Donald ... it just won't work.

http://slinkingtowardretirement.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/GamblE20151227_low.jpg

AVGWarhawk

03-01-16, 08:17 PM

A theoretical thought

Let jump some month ahead

Clinton is the Democrats only candidate

What will happen IF the FBI find enough evidence to prosecute her, what will happen to the Democrats who will be without any candidate.

Markus

Joe Biden. He is regretting not running however it may come to pass he gets the nod.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02831/Clinton1web_2831249b.jpg

Yea baby you know it because you want me.

I just lost my lunch.....

Oh come on, what red blooded American doesn't want to body slam a member of the slanted press. :D

Fo' shizzle!

You can't win the cussing game Donald ... it just won't work.

http://slinkingtowardretirement.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/GamblE20151227_low.jpg

LMAO :har::har::har:

Onkel Neal

03-01-16, 09:11 PM

Cruz wins Texas. And possibly Oklahoma.

Oberon

03-01-16, 09:21 PM

Failing that, maybe we can get this fellow to consider running again; he has proper conservative credentials; after all he used to play golf with Bob Hope:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i4EnjRKVQw

<O>

"I know we have problems
We got problems here in Central City
We have problems on the North, South, East, and West
New York City, Saint Louis, Philadelphia, Los Angeles
Detroit, Chicago
Everybody has problems
And personally I don't care"

Oberon

03-01-16, 10:37 PM

When's Obama going to deploy the SEALS to free Chris Christie?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcgsOCLXEAA-fUW.jpg

Cybermat47

03-02-16, 12:03 AM

Sorry you feel this way. Did the agent know if he had a weapon or not? Good time to pull it out when the fray of 20 people pushing through and out of the building, no?

Next time the agent will call time out chair.

Why the hell would the agent assume he had a weapon?! :doh:

If I saw a journalist outside the designated press zone, I'd just assume he was after a better angle for photographs and/or bothering people with questions. If he pulled a weapon, sure, slam him to the ground, and put some bullets into him for good measure, but in what sort of country is being outside the designated press zone such a serious offense that immediate physical violence is an acceptable punishment?

And if it was all over the reporter saying the f-word, then the agent should stop being such a special snowflake and grow a thicker skin. Can you really take someone seriously as a bodyguard if the f-word pushes them over the edge?

Sorry, but given that less than two years ago I was treated so badly by some scumbags that I fell into a depression, couldn't go anywhere near knives because I was tempted to open up my own wrists, and had sleeping difficulties so bad that I would take a crapload of sleeping pills, not particularly caring if it was a lethal overdose or not, I honestly can't see why something as insignificant as the f-word would make someone in that position act in such a manner. Just strikes me as kind of pathetic, to be frank.

Oberon

03-02-16, 12:09 AM

Why the hell would the agent assume he had a weapon?! :doh:

Because it's in America, you have to assume that everyone is armed.
It's a different playbook over there mate.

Cybermat47

03-02-16, 12:22 AM

Because it's in America, you have to assume that everyone is armed.
It's a different playbook over there mate.

Wasn't there a thread here where people expressed concern that the authorities were going to treat them unfairly simply for owning firearms? Must be okay when it's somebody else (who no-one knows if they even had any sort of weapon on them) :roll:

Oberon

03-02-16, 12:40 AM

Wasn't there a thread here where people expressed concern that the authorities were going to treat them unfairly simply for owning firearms? Must be okay when it's somebody else who no-one knows if they even had any sort of weapon on them :roll:

That's how it goes. Armed until proven innocent.

Cybermat47

03-02-16, 05:46 AM

https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/trump-hildebeast.jpg

:(

Cybermat47

03-02-16, 05:50 AM

http://dandygoat.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/green_tea_party_3A-e1431513173774.png

Uh... better...?

Jimbuna

03-02-16, 07:52 AM

Cybermat47

03-02-16, 08:19 AM

Trump wins seven states while his closest rival, Ted Cruz, took three. The third-placed Republican, Marco Rubio, came in with one.

Clinton wins seven also.

All over bar the usual shouting me thinks.

So it's going to either be Clinton or Trump as the next POTUS...

Whoever wins, we lose :dead:

Jimbuna

03-02-16, 08:34 AM

So it's going to either be Clinton or Trump as the next POTUS...

Whoever wins, we lose :dead:

I should imagine Clinton will become the first female POTUS.

Cybermat47

03-02-16, 08:35 AM

I should imagine Clinton will become the first female POTUS.

Or Trump becomes our first oompa-loompa POTUS :O:

AVGWarhawk

03-02-16, 08:42 AM

I should imagine Clinton will become the first female POTUS.

Questionable.

Cybermat47

03-02-16, 08:45 AM

Questionable.

First demon POTUS?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-0QthFFTKu5c/TYTzrL4mR1I/AAAAAAAADy4/TNxP09-P6oY/s1600/she+debbil.jpg

Wouldn't surprise me :hmmm:

Cybermat47

03-02-16, 08:49 AM

My personal choice for POTUS would be a man who's already upfront about what any politician will bring to the table.

https://49.media.tumblr.com/52456a59c58b497e47b357115611d717/tumblr_n6hx2ly8qr1qedb29o1_400.gif

AVGWarhawk

03-02-16, 09:01 AM

[QUOTE=Cybermat47;2385865]Why the hell would the agent assume he had a weapon?! :doh:

Why would we assume two young kids would have bombs in their backpacks while attending a marathon in Boston? Or a red headed fella would attend a opening night Batman movie carrying a full auto killing as many movie goers as he can? Decades ago society would not assume that type of destructive potential would show up to a sporting event. Security incidents were handled much differently. Understand that 9/11 completely changed the face of the US. Things like mass shootings at schools/movies, bombs and terrorists going to their place of employment killing their co-workers are getting more frequent. Security, specifically at a high profile event such as Trumps will be tight and decisive.

If I saw a journalist outside the designated press zone, I'd just assume he was after a better angle for photographs and/or bothering people with questions. If he pulled a weapon, sure, slam him to the ground, and put some bullets into him for good measure, but in what sort of country is being outside the designated press zone such a serious offense that immediate physical violence is an acceptable punishment?

And that is the problem. You are allowing a photographer to push through the security line for a better shot. You are kidding me, right? If you did that why not let everyone through for a better shot? Security is there for a reason. It is not a door that allows a certain few to get a better picture. It is not what they are hired for, trained to do and required to do. The security agent works for US Gov't assigned to Trump. Not Time magazine.

And if it was all over the reporter saying the f-word, then the agent should stop being such a special snowflake and grow a thicker skin. Can you really take someone seriously as a bodyguard if the f-word pushes them over the edge?

F-you is another way of saying I'm not listening to your and getting belligerent is next on the menu. The agent was not having it as there was already a volatile situation behind him. Further, it is a DAMN picture! Does the agent deserve a F-you over getting a better picture?

Cybermat47

03-02-16, 09:11 AM

[QUOTE]

Why would we assume two young kids would have bombs in their backpacks while attending a marathon in Boston? Or a red headed fella would attend a opening night Batman movie carrying a full auto killing as many movie goers as he can? Decades ago society would not assume that type of destructive potential would show up to a sporting event. Security incidents were handled much differently. Understand that 9/11 completely changed the face of the US. Things like mass shootings at schools/movies, bombs and terrorists going to their place of employment killing their co-workers are getting more frequent. Security, specifically at a high profile event such as Trumps will be tight and decisive.

I agree that we should be vigilant, but we also have to be sure that there's a danger. Otherwise we run the risk of wrongly punishing innocent people.

And that is the problem. You are allowing a photographer to push through the security line for a better shot. You are kidding me, right? If you did that why not let everyone through for a better shot? Security is there for a reason. It is not a door that allows a certain few to get a better picture. It is not what they are hired for, trained to do and required to do. The security agent works for US Gov't assigned to Trump. Not Time magazine.

I never said that getting a better photo was a legitimate reason for leaving the press zone. In fact, I think it was a pretty stupid thing to do. My problem is how the guard reacted to it.

F-you is another way of saying I'm not listening to your and getting belligerent is next on the menu. The agent was not having it as there was already a volatile situation behind him. Further, it is a DAMN picture! Does the agent deserve a F-you over getting a better picture?

Again, I think the reporter's behaviour was stupid. But surely the guard should have only used force if the reporter had gone the next step and become belligerent? Keep an eye on him and stay close to him, sure, but surely you should do everything in your power to ensure that he doesn't become agressive, especially with a volatile situation already going on? And if he still becomes belligerent, sure, tackle him all you want.

Cybermat47

03-02-16, 09:16 AM

Eh, screw it, Warhawk mate, kinda ridiculous to debate what happened between two people neither of us even know. How about we just forget all about it :up:

STEED

03-02-16, 09:33 AM

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/c0d0f27697e47db75ab7d2ca52ac84861d7cad82/c=449-0-4623-3138&r=x408&c=540x405/local/-/media/2016/01/20/USATODAY/USATODAY/635888952763074454-AP-Dem-2016-Clinton-005.jpg

WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER

Back in 2010 in the UK..

http://www.theredroom.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/David+Cameron-HEADLINE.jpg

You elect Clinton like we elected Cameron then prepare for the worst! :o

Sailor Steve

03-02-16, 09:41 AM

Whoever wins, we lose :dead:
What you mean "we", Oz-boy? :O:

Just kidding. I know the influence the US carries over much of the world.

I've heard people say they'll leave the country if Trump is elected. I've heard people say they'll leave the country if Clinton is elected. Maybe it's time to just get while the gettin's good.

STEED

03-02-16, 11:54 AM

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k151/vivianc1968/macros/HitleryClinton.jpg

Hillary and Uncle Adolf. :o

AVGWarhawk

03-02-16, 11:58 AM

Eh, screw it, Warhawk mate, kinda ridiculous to debate what happened between two people neither of us even know. How about we just forget all about it :up:

:up:

Mr Quatro

03-02-16, 12:37 PM

That was a dull evening for sure :yep:

Hillary's acceptance speech was better than Trump's if that means anything.

I think people are going to get tired of Mr Trump long before November :know:

Plus lots of excitement over at the Justice department ... will they or won't they?

Not to mention Christie looking funny standing behind Donald Trump for his acceptance speech.

ABC said it looked like he was saying "OMG what have I done"

IRS is involved in this too ... more mud slinging, but it is exciting to see what everyone thinks.

May the best man win ... :hmmm:

Aktungbby

03-02-16, 01:06 PM

[QUOTE=AVGWarhawk;2385964]

I My problem is how the guard reacted to it.

Again, I think the reporter's behaviour was stupid. But surely the guard should have only used force if the reporter had gone the next step and become belligerent? Keep an eye on him and stay close to him, sure, but surely you should do everything in your power to ensure that he doesn't become agressive, especially with a volatile situation already going on? And if he still becomes belligerent, sure, tackle him all you want.NOPE! and the Secret Service officer, who must be obeyed, has only one responsibility: the security of a leading candidate and if numbnuts wishes to B the 'example of what not to do' in immediate 'exigent circumstances' he will B an example. No one else will cross the line...I've knocked down the manager of a large sports arena during an event for ignoring my 3 verbal warning(s) not to approach while an ATM in his facility was open and being worked on. The surrounding overtime-duty sheriff's deputies, who've all done similar duty, both heard and observed and the manger himself understood perfectly; the ATM technician, a retired policeman himself whose physical safety is my sole responsibility: "those R the rules". I thanked the manger, helping him to rise, for 'testing me to see if I was on the job'...he got the point: the sheriff's were smiling, and the MGR handed me his business card 'MSG understood'. Been to the arena many times since on similar assignments: no problems!:hmph:

Oberon

03-02-16, 01:27 PM

What Trumps Super Tuesday victories says about America:

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/what-donald-trumps-super-tuesday-triumph-says-about-america/

Aktungbby

03-02-16, 01:50 PM

Trump and the GOP are destroyed imho: Hillary to win all!
__________________
What Trumps Super Tuesday victories says about America:

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/what-donald-trumps-super-tuesday-triumph-says-about-america/

Hillary should therefore win, because she is a bit less despicable. But when the good news is that the Clintons — a couple every bit as depraved as Trump in their way — are coming back to the White House, the world has a big problem. :/\\!!

Oberon

03-02-16, 02:03 PM

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/d9/ac/99/d9ac99d6eeb539dd119cfbecbb3c4d19.jpg

AVGWarhawk

03-02-16, 02:25 PM

What Trumps Super Tuesday victories says about America:

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/what-donald-trumps-super-tuesday-triumph-says-about-america/

Just under 8 years ago a young Jr Senator and community organizer became President. What did it say about American then? He promised "hope" and "change." His logo looked like Pepsi.

Joe Biden, "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man."

"Barack Obama is probably the most exciting candidate that the Democratic or Republican Party has produced at least since I've been around," Biden said on the call. "And he's fresh. He's new. He's smart. He's insightful. And I really regret that some have taken totally out of context my use of the word 'clean.'"

I'm guessing that Trump is not fresh, new, smart and insightful? I'm sure he showers daily. Not an exciting candidate? Is it that Trump speaks his mind but has a problem with PC?

What does any of this say about America? Maybe just maybe it is what America is attempting to say. They are tired of tried and true failure of big government as of late. :hmmm:

Kptlt. Neuerburg

03-02-16, 02:39 PM

John Oliver takes on The Donald https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ

Warning may contain foul language.

Oberon

03-02-16, 03:18 PM

What does any of this say about America? Maybe just maybe it is what America is attempting to say. They are tired of tried and true failure of big government as of late. :hmmm:

I think with Obama that people were fed up of the politics of fear which the Republicans had been using up until then. Obama was 'Hope', McCain was 'Vote me or the terrorists win', and to be honest the GOP hasn't really changed that tune since, although it did try a bit with Mitt.
Honestly, between Clinton and Trump, I think people are going to find themselves missing Obama in the future, because this circus is only just starting.

I can understand and sympathise with those who are tired of the establishment, but to think that Trump isn't part of the establishment, a man who wined and dined with the Clintons, who is about as corrupt as the average politician. You're essentially voting in the establishment but with a different name tag.
Honestly the most anti-establishment figure in the race was probably Sanders, and look how well that's turned out. :doh:

vienna

03-02-16, 03:25 PM

Meanwhile back in the RNC Strategy Room....

http://assets.amuniversal.com/7f17ae80b6fa01333f2d005056a9545d

<O>

AVGWarhawk

03-02-16, 03:47 PM

I think with Obama that people were fed up of the politics of fear which the Republicans had been using up until then. Obama was 'Hope', McCain was 'Vote me or the terrorists win', and to be honest the GOP hasn't really changed that tune since, although it did try a bit with Mitt.
Honestly, between Clinton and Trump, I think people are going to find themselves missing Obama in the future, because this circus is only just starting.

I can understand and sympathise with those who are tired of the establishment, but to think that Trump isn't part of the establishment, a man who wined and dined with the Clintons, who is about as corrupt as the average politician. You're essentially voting in the establishment but with a different name tag.
Honestly the most anti-establishment figure in the race was probably Sanders, and look how well that's turned out. :doh:

It is highly unlikely Obama will be missed. The great unifier has been anything but. The politics of fear? Probably more so war weary and BO promised to being the troops home. 1993 the world trade centers went down as a result of terrorist attacks. The US was at war from there on out. Yes, I would agree the Repubs were promising more of the same war on terror.

Truth be told, it has been a circus since BO took office. Never passed a budget in his first term. First President to do that. The Healthcare act was nothing but a circus with lack of elected officials reading the thing. All rushed it to get home for Christmas. The citizens left holding the bag, no doctor that we were told we can keep and premiums going through the roof. And to add...a monetary penalty if you do not obtain coverage. Well, if you could afford coverage one would sign up. Get a fine instead. Can't pay that either. No, the past 8 years has been a stagnant cesspool IMO.

Bernie is not anti-establishment. Bernie is unicorns farting rainbows. He needs to retire before his nervous breakdown.

John Kasich would be the best choice IMO.

Oberon

03-02-16, 04:24 PM

Kaisch was a good solid choice, but he didn't get the votes, which indicates that the voters of the GOP thought that he wasn't what they wanted. Which begs the question, what do they want?
If it's an anti-establishment candidate, then I don't think they'll get one in Donald Trump. If it's someone who shouts the loudest and makes the most noise, then they've done a good job.

Perhaps another question we need to look at is what exactly is 'The Establishment'? Both sides would give you slightly different answers and in some cases they would give you very similar ones. The left would say that 'The Establishment' is out of control big business that operates above the law with no consequences and buys out politicians to advance their agendas. The right would say that 'The Establishment' is Big government which over-reaches its position and imposes its political viewpoints on the people of America. So, perhaps the truth lies somewhere in the middle that they are both part of 'The Establishment' and when you add to that corrupt and ineffectual politicians that are either serving their own interests before others or serving whoever gives them the most money, then perhaps they are also part of 'The Establishment'. :hmmm:

AVGWarhawk

03-02-16, 04:40 PM

ReallyDedPoet

03-02-16, 08:32 PM

Trump at this point needs to tone it down since he is going to be "their guy". In short, the BS stops here and time for some real answers to real issues.

I don't think he can help himself. He has had a life-time of it.....

ReallyDedPoet

03-02-16, 08:34 PM

Canada set to accept Americans if Trump Wins :D

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/cnn-trump-cape-breton-website-1.3470892

Torplexed

03-02-16, 08:39 PM

Seeing a lot of references to the 1983 movie, The Dead Zone lately.

http://www.thewordslinger.com/media/images/TDZ.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5qbyfZ9s08U/VpgN4xEi7EI/AAAAAAAAJL4/z8g2bgyVjOo/s1600/No%2BFutureTed%2BCruise.jpg

http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q685/amplesalty/Halloween%202013/14%20-%20The%20Dead%20Zone/7_zpsb389cb19.png

Aktungbby

03-02-16, 08:55 PM

Well it' s pretty clearly down to the Donald and 'Stand-by-your-Man' Clinton...I'm exploring my options: http://creator.keepcalmandcarryon.com/kcp-frame/AgvLdOMJm (http://www.keepcalmandcarryon.com/buy-keep-calm-variations-and-memes/?shortcode=AgvLdOMJm#?shortcode=AgvLdOMJm)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_nationality_law [QUOTE=ReallyDedPoet]Canada set to accept Americans if Trump Wins :D

:up: Vancouver looks decent!

AVGWarhawk

03-02-16, 10:06 PM

Canada set to accept Americans if Trump Wins :D

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/cnn-trump-cape-breton-website-1.3470892

Fantastic! The traffic gridlock should ease up after the mass exodus.

I tell ya, it's time for something new. The same crap was on the internet when BO was running in 2008. Alec Baldwin never left.

August

03-02-16, 10:43 PM

My take on things

Her supporters say that Clinton has the track record and experience to lead the nation but as far as I know she has never really accomplished much of anything. She never sponsored any important bills as a Senator, just three minor ones like naming a bridge, and as Secretary of State she was pretty much a failure at that too.

Take Benghazi. Yeah I know Right Wing Conspiracy and all that but the fact is a competent leader would have recognized that security would be a problem like it is everywhere else in that region and would have provided the personal oversight necessary to prevent such a situation from occurring. Not to do so is at least a glaring example of incompetence.

Remember that stupid plastic reset button she gave to the Russians? What an amateurish move that was. Another display of incompetence.

As to the latest email server scandal she either deliberately ignored security regulations because she thinks she is above the law or again because she was so incompetent that she didn't realize what she was doing. So criminal or idiot she is not suitable for running a Johnny detail let alone a country let alone a super power.

Trump on the other hand does have a record of business success to go along with his many failures but he doesn't seem to me to have a suitable temperament as POTUS (too Blowhardian) and he won't have a friend on either side of the aisle so good luck pushing his agenda. Like I said earlier he'll be lucky not to be impeached the first time he opens his yap the wrong way and it'll be a bipartisan effort.

Then there is Bloomberg. Gun Grabber, Stop and Frisker, 0.001%er , Rigid Authoritarian, even wants to regulate how much food a person should be allowed to purchase, thinking he can offer himself as a much less odious third choice and fellas it scares the heck out of me that the idea isn't beyond the realm of possibility.

I'd say we're in for a wild next year or two. Maybe longer if things really go bad.

Cybermat47

03-03-16, 12:18 AM

I'd say we're in for a wild next year or two. Maybe longer if things really go bad.

Or perhaps they'll just be as ineffectual as most other politicians :)

AVGWarhawk

03-03-16, 09:13 AM

August;2386149]My take on things

Her supporters say that Clinton has the track record and experience to lead the nation but as far as I know she has never really accomplished much of anything. She never sponsored any important bills as a Senator, just three minor ones like naming a bridge, and as Secretary of State she was pretty much a failure at that too. Agreed on all points. Her experience is in self promotion. Been doing it for decades.

Take Benghazi. Yeah I know Right Wing Conspiracy and all that but the fact is a competent leader would have recognized that security would be a problem like it is everywhere else in that region and would have provided the personal oversight necessary to prevent such a situation from occurring. Not to do so is at least a glaring example of incompetence. Not to mention the date 9/11 was drawing near. Concerns was sent to the State Dept from the embassy. 9/11 is a date all should be vigilant. Hillary was asleep. Furthermore, to play it off as a demonstration that got out of hand. People do not bring rocket launchers to demonstrations held on 9/11.

Remember that stupid plastic reset button she gave to the Russians? What an amateurish move that was. Another display of incompetence. I do not recall. A reset button? Symbolic silliness.

As to the latest email server scandal she either deliberately ignored security regulations because she thinks she is above the law or again because she was so incompetent that she didn't realize what she was doing. So criminal or idiot she is not suitable for running a Johnny detail let alone a country let alone a super power. At the end of the day she did not think she would get caught. She has no remorse nor really cares. She is more upset she got caught than anything.

Trump on the other hand does have a record of business success to go along with his many failures but he doesn't seem to me to have a suitable temperament as POTUS (too Blowhardian) and he won't have a friend on either side of the aisle so good luck pushing his agenda. Like I said earlier he'll be lucky not to be impeached the first time he opens his yap the wrong way and it'll be a bipartisan effort. I think at this point Trump will tone it down and start to work towards finding friends in DC. Chris Christie has his lips stuck to his arse already.

Then there is Bloomberg. Gun Grabber, Stop and Frisker, 0.001%er , Rigid Authoritarian, even wants to regulate how much food a person should be allowed to purchase, thinking he can offer himself as a much less odious third choice and fellas it scares the heck out of me that the idea isn't beyond the realm of possibility. Bloomberg should marry Sanders and live happily everafter.

I'd say we're in for a wild next year or two. Maybe longer if things really go bad. I don't think so. I do not believe Trump is looking to run amuck. I believe that this campaign has become something very real to Trump. The game is over. Just yesterday Trump announced his healthcare plan that is bits and pieces of what is on the table. Offers free market and competition to drive prices down on drugs. It has begun. He must turn to the serious at this point if he really wants the WH.

I hope taps Kasich and not Christie. Christie is really shameless in what he is doing to further his career.

Mr Quatro

03-03-16, 09:27 AM

Trump at this point needs to tone it down since he is going to be "their guy". In short, the BS stops here and time for some real answers to real issues. The high school elections for class president with promise of coke machines in every classroom is now over. If he continues with the side show antics Hillary will be a certain shoo-in.

I respect your political savvy Warhawk ... :up:

Trump won't tone it down he just plain does not listen to anyone advising him on how to do anything.
The men running against him are to blame they just don't measure up to his karma.

Like Oberon said, "Kaisch was a good solid choice"

But the people in all of these first voting states did not agree ...

Unless Trump hits a big bad speed bump and loses his master cylinder
(has that ever happened to you ... it has to me)
he's going to be the GOP choice to run against Hillary Clinton.

There's an old saying "love does not see the blemishes" this works for both Hillary and Trump.

With only two choices on who the next POTUS will be ...
this is going to be an exciting ride to the finish.

Canada! Who would want to move to Canada? :haha:

AVGWarhawk

03-03-16, 09:58 AM

Mr Quatro;2386201]I respect your political savvy Warhawk ... :up: There is hope for me then! :)

Trump won't tone it down he just plain does not listen to anyone advising him on how to do anything.
The men running against him are to blame they just don't measure up to his karma. All must understand that Trump has spent a better part of his life delegating, leading, answering to a board of directors, grilled/audited by the IRS for decades and run successful/some failures in the business world. At present, for what the media is trying it's best to bury Trump nothing appears damaging or a campaign stopper at all. You can agree that the media has portrayed Trump as nothing short of the devil. Sad really. Trump is crass. I don't think I have met a person with his experiences as not being crass from time to time. So, the world really needs to outline what just makes a President. All seem believe Trump is not it. However, he does possess many qualities to run a country. Some are not helpful qualities. Then again, some of BO qualities are not helpful to run a country either. A complete package we will not find.

Like Oberon said, "Kaisch was a good solid choice"
I think so as well. He should be a VP pick though. Trump will need OH.

But the people in all of these first voting states did not agree ... If Kaisch was more assertive perhaps it would have helped.

Unless Trump hits a big bad speed bump and loses his master cylinder
(has that ever happened to you ... it has to me)
he's going to be the GOP choice to run against Hillary Clinton. The media is doing it's best to have Trump lose his brakes. So far nothing is working. And yes, I was a certified mechanic for Goodyear. I drove many cars with failed or failing master cylinders. Not so fun! My 54 Buick has one reservoir master cylinder. When she goes all the brakes go. Not like a two reservoir where you have some braking power if one reservoir fails.

There's an old saying "love does not see the blemishes" this works for both Hillary and Trump. Using love in the same sentence with Hillary or Trump makes me burp up lunch. :-?

With only two choices on who the next POTUS will be ...
this is going to be an exciting ride to the finish.

Canada! Who would want to move to Canada? :haha:The same was said if BO was elected. No one left.

AVGWarhawk

03-03-16, 10:10 AM

Watch the GOP implode. They have no one to thank but themselves.

We are in meltdown mode. The Republican are out to stop Trump at all costs. They are trying to rob him of the nomination and we can expect the polls to be rigged and they may very well try to broker the election combining all other delegates to one person. What many establishment politicians now want is for Cruz and Rubio to just gather delegates and rig the machines if they have to, and then combine everyone’s delegates to the first ballot to stop Trump using their rules. If they can accomplish that, then Trump will lose his delegates and they are free to vote for whoever they want after the first ballot.

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/north_america/2016-u-s-presidential-election/outrageous-reports-of-republicans-engaged-in-voter-fraud-to-stop-trump/

Mr Quatro

03-03-16, 10:55 AM

There's still hope to derail the Trump vote:http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/mitt-romney-eviscerate-donald-trump-phony-fraud-n530877

Former Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney will deliver a scorching indictment of Donald Trump on Thursday, calling the candidate a "phony" and a "fraud" who'd threaten America's future.

Romney is due to speak Thursday in Utah at the Hinckley Institute of Politics Forum on the state of the 2016 presidential race. Already a vocal critic of Trump, excerpts released ahead of the speech show Romney will go a step further in his attacks by accusing the GOP frontrunner of "playing the American public for suckers."

plus don't forget there is a GOP debate tonight on Fox news (without Ben Carson)

AVGWarhawk

03-03-16, 11:09 AM

There's still hope to derail the Trump vote:http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/mitt-romney-eviscerate-donald-trump-phony-fraud-n530877

plus don't forget there is a GOP debate tonight on Fox news (without Ben Carson)

Romney needs to stay home. Romney wanted Trumps support 4 years ago. As of today Trump is an idiot according to Romney. Stuffed shirt.

Ben Carson. I liked Ben. Said some odd ball things. He needed more fire and desire at the debates.

Oberon

03-03-16, 01:13 PM

Yeah, because people are going to listen to a failed presidential candidate. :/\\!! Romney you twit.
You want to damage Trump, bring out Bush Sr, that might work. Bush Jr might work as well, but probably not as well as Bush Sr, thanks to 'The War on Terror'™

Meanwhile, a comparison between Trump and Reagan:
https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/10153556385261939/

AVGWarhawk

03-03-16, 02:55 PM

AVGWarhawk

03-03-16, 03:01 PM

Of note, our country's greatest "politicians" weren't politicians.

Webster

03-03-16, 04:10 PM

Watch the GOP implode. They have no one to thank but themselves.

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/north_america/2016-u-s-presidential-election/outrageous-reports-of-republicans-engaged-in-voter-fraud-to-stop-trump/

so true.

at this point you only have 3 choices:

1 - vote for trump = ??? maybe if nothing else he will fix tha waste and mismanagement in government which I would call a true victory for America.

2 - vote for Hillary = total unabashed socialism, higher taxes, and spending and government growth and intervention into your life 10x more then you have seen so far.

3 - stay home and just don't vote = dont kid yourself, doing that is the same as voting for Hillary. the last two elections republicans didn't want a rhino republican mcain so they didn't vote and Obama won, republicans didn't want a rhino republican romney so they didn't vote and Obama won a second term. here you are again and make no mistake about it, if republicans didn't want to go out and vote for trump then you ARE voting FOR Hillary and she WILL win and its all on you so don't try blaming anyone else.

eddie

03-03-16, 04:34 PM

AVGWarhawk

03-03-16, 04:49 PM

Trump is so pro business, the average consumer is screwed. He'll let the banks do what they want, because it worked so well when they police themselves. He'll let the insurance companies dictate medical care, and watch prices sore. The coffers of Defense Contractors will over flow too, and our debt will keep climbing! I mean our Republican controlled Congress, who tell us they want to get our debt reduced, just added another trillion and a half to it. Fix mismanagement and waste, yeah right!

We are screwed no matter who we vote for. I have never seen such a group of losers running for President!:nope:

Of course he is pro business. How is the average consumer screwed? The consumer is screwed now as there is no competition across state lines for insurance for healthcare. Yet, I can go to any state for automobile insurance coverage. I have boat loads of carriers to choose from and even better rates as a result. Further, obamacare has already seen soaring increases. Further, Trump is supporting drugs imported for reduced costs. Hillary is a supporter of this as well. Trump is not tasked with watching the banks. The government body has departments to do so. Nothing will change in that respect. And debt will climb certainly but... Sanders will will make our current debt look like chump change. Hillary will increase the debt as well. She is "government will take care of you." Sanders is worse.

And the trillion added was OK'd by Barack Obama. What gives? :06:

Cybermat47

03-03-16, 04:54 PM

Hillary will increase the debt as well. She is "government will take care of you." Sanders is worse.

I think I'm missing your point here, but surely the whole reason the government exists is to take care of the people?

Of course, if she increased debt, she'd be doing a pretty bad job of it, which seems to be her style :-?

AVGWarhawk

03-03-16, 04:57 PM

I think I'm missing your point here, but surely the whole reason the government exists is to take care of the people?

Of course, if she increased debt, she'd be doing a pretty bad job of it, which seems to be her style :-?

No, the government was not designed to be what it has become today.

Sailor Steve

03-03-16, 05:17 PM

I think I'm missing your point here, but surely the whole reason the government exists is to take care of the people?
In 1774 the Continental Congress was set up strictly to give the 13 colonies a united front against the new taxes applied by the Parliament.

In 1787 the US Constitution was drafted to set up a Federal Government for three main purposes:

1. Arbitrate disputes between the States.

2. Provide for a National Army if needed

3. Present a united front to the rest of the world. Britain, France and Russia had all refused to make treaties with thirteen individual States. If the country was to be called "The United States" then they needed to deal with all their major problems as one nation.

One of the problems with getting the Constitution written and ratified was that neither the States nor the People wanted a strong central government. they were afraid that government might be used against the states and the people. They wanted minimal aid and minimal interference. Welfare was not something they wanted the Federal Government involved in. Neither was Foreign Aid.

Oberon

03-03-16, 05:27 PM

I think I'm missing your point here, but surely the whole reason the government exists is to take care of the people?

In most countries yes, but not in the US, like I said earlier, different world there. Government is the bad guy usually, runs back to the revolution.

Onkel Neal

03-03-16, 05:30 PM

I think I'm missing your point here, but surely the whole reason the government exists is to take care of the people?

No sir, not America. People should take care of themselves. The government is there to provide an army for defense when necessary, ensure all citizens have equal opportunities, and enact laws in accordance with the will of the people that will further a just, fair, and stable society.

Aktungbby

03-03-16, 05:38 PM

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/03/world_considers_a_trump_presidency_and_many_shudde r/ (http://www.salon.com/2016/03/03/world_considers_a_trump_presidency_and_many_shudde r/)Following Donald Trump’s breathtaking string of Super Tuesday victories, politicians, editorial writers and ordinary people worldwide were coming to grips Wednesday with the growing possibility the brash New York billionaire might become America’s next president_a thought that aroused widespread befuddlement and a good deal of horror.

“The Trump candidacy has opened the door to madness: for the unthinkable to happen, a bad joke to become reality,” German business daily Handelsblatt wrote in a commentary for its Thursday edition. “What looked grotesque must now be discussed seriously.”Bruce Arthur, a Canadian sportswriter and political commentator, tweeted this after Super Tuesday: “To my American friends, I have an eight-person tent that I can set up in the forest behind my house but you may need your own air mattresses.” :arrgh!:

Oberon

03-03-16, 05:44 PM

Great...is Europe going to have a migrant crisis from the west now? :doh:

Platapus

03-03-16, 05:49 PM

On Tuesday, we had just under 44% voter turnout at my precinct.

Unfortunately, I think that is a record turnout.

mapuc

03-03-16, 05:56 PM

Great...is Europe going to have a migrant crisis from the west now? :doh:

If Trump wins the election and thousand are going to leave America if so, then yes.

Markus

Mr Quatro

03-03-16, 06:00 PM

If Trump wins the election and thousand are going to leave America if so, then yes.

Markus

But they can't come back ... Trump is going to build a wall remember?

Oberon

03-03-16, 07:12 PM

If Trump wins the election and thousand are going to leave America if so, then yes.

Markus

If Trump is building a wall, and Europe wants to build a wall...

The Azores are screwed.

Cybermat47

03-03-16, 08:15 PM

No, the government was not designed to be what it has become today.

In 1774 the Continental Congress was set up strictly to give the 13 colonies a united front against the new taxes applied by the Parliament.

In 1787 the US Constitution was drafted to set up a Federal Government for three main purposes:

1. Arbitrate disputes between the States.

2. Provide for a National Army if needed

3. Present a united front to the rest of the world. Britain, France and Russia had all refused to make treaties with thirteen individual States. If the country was to be called "The United States" then they needed to deal with all their major problems as one nation.

One of the problems with getting the Constitution written and ratified was that neither the States nor the People wanted a strong central government. they were afraid that government might be used against the states and the people. They wanted minimal aid and minimal interference. Welfare was not something they wanted the Federal Government involved in. Neither was Foreign Aid.

No sir, not America. People should take care of themselves. The government is there to provide an army for defense when necessary, ensure all citizens have equal opportunities, and enact laws in accordance with the will of the people that will further a just, fair, and stable society.

Ah, I see what you're saying. Makes sense, too.

August

03-03-16, 08:53 PM

Government is the bad guy usually, runs back to the revolution.

Viewing our government with suspicion and hostility has worked pretty well for us all these years. :yep:

Torplexed

03-03-16, 09:20 PM

Viewing our government with suspicion and hostility has worked pretty well for us all these years. :yep:

http://m.likesuccess.com/quotes/10/450325.png

vienna

03-03-16, 10:01 PM

Great...is Europe going to have a migrant crisis from the west now? :doh:

I don't think so: Americans can't speak British...

<O>

Sailor Steve

03-03-16, 10:06 PM

"A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take away everything you have."
-President Gerald R. Ford, Address to Congress, August 12, 1974 (the earliest known written version is from Paul Harvey in 1952)

Cybermat47

03-03-16, 10:56 PM

Sailor Steve

03-03-16, 11:16 PM

Hmm, true. Sounds like he was one of the better Presidents.
I liked him, but he was hampered by the fact that he was the only US president who was not elected. Several Vice Presidents assumed the top spot when the President died in office, but they had all been elected to the Vice Presidency. When Spiro Agnew was forced to resign as VP, Richard Nixon selected Ford to take his place. When Nixon in his turn resigned Ford became the only President to have not been elected to either office.

Oberon

03-04-16, 08:12 AM

Welp, go home folks, it's all over, we have reached Peak US debate, we can't go any further than this:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/03/03/donald_trump_penis_size_i_can_t_believe_i_m_writin g_this.html

https://twitter.com/PresidentSantos/status/705575805179535361

http://www.idiotfreezone.com/images/stories/publisher/zone_articles/thumbs/thumb_178_lincoln_facepalm.jpg

AVGWarhawk

03-04-16, 08:54 AM

GOP debates....why do I bother? I had enough in the first 15 minutes. The pick me, pick me, pick me game with associated bickering about nothing. Only Kasich plays the old school debating tactics. Compare oneself to a president of past and doing so calmly. Although Cruz also referred to Reagan as well but still looked to have his coat hanger still in his jacket. As for Rubio, he is getting more childish by the second. Trump spent much of his time confusing himself. Maybe it was Megan's hairstyle that befuddled him. I'm certainly befuddled by Trumps hairstyle. :hmmm:

AVGWarhawk

03-04-16, 08:56 AM

AVGWarhawk

03-04-16, 08:57 AM

Jimbuna

03-04-16, 09:02 AM

AVGWarhawk

03-04-16, 09:32 AM

Must admit to being thoroughly entertained and amused by it all.

I did not however expect the almost total potential capitulation they admitted to at the end.

I did not watch to the end. I could not stomach looking at the lot of them any longer.

Mr Quatro

03-04-16, 09:35 AM

Must admit to being thoroughly entertained and amused by it all.

I did not however expect the almost total potential capitulation they admitted to at the end.

capitulation? Does that mean giving in?

Yes, all three gave in and said they would support Donald Trump if he won the nomination :down:

Cruz may still have a chance this Saturday:http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/04/politics/republican-debate-analysis-takeaways/index.html

It's entirely possible that the debate did nothing to change Cruz's fortunes.
But he does have a big opportunity on the horizon.

Of the four states to only allow Republicans to vote in GOP nominating contests,
Cruz has won three, thanks to his strength among conservatives and the rules
limiting Trump's ability to expand the electorate.

And all four states set to vote Saturday -- Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana and Maine -- have closed contests.

Has it crossed anyone's minds that the Democrat's may have been voting for Donald Trump in some of those other states that don't have closed elections for just the GOP?

AVGWarhawk

03-04-16, 09:45 AM

Honestly, after last nights Trump performance....the man is quite scary.

Jimbuna

03-04-16, 10:05 AM

I did not watch to the end. I could not stomach looking at the lot of them any longer.

Oh it's quite easy....when you take into account none are Brits :)

Ours are no better mind :o

Onkel Neal

03-04-16, 11:25 AM

Honestly, after last nights Trump performance....the man is quite scary.

He's a phony, all bluster. By the virtue of not being politically correct, he has wooed a lot of people who are so sick of PC they are willing to commit political suicide to get something changed. I'm all in favor of ending the PC culture that is turning this country into a cesspool of intellectual laziness and fantasy, but Trump is not the answer. Like Cruz pointed out, Trump has been an ardent Hillery supporter, he's not a Republican, and he cannot accomplish anything he says he will do. God, his answer to the scenario that the Pentagon would rightfully refuse to perform illegal interrogation is "I'll tell them to do it, they'll do it." :dead:

One thing I liked about this debate, the moderators seemed to be a bit more strident at holding the candidates to account, even flashing very detailed visuals to debunk some of the fuzzy claims, like Trump's concepts of balancing the budget. That's what a debate should be.

The next few weeks will be crucial. If Rubio would get out of the race, I think Cruz could beat Trump and get the nomination. Am I putting too much stock in the average American? Seems like the main are of two types; they want government to take care of them like children, or they want a strongman to run their life. :-?

STEED

03-04-16, 11:44 AM

Couple of old women in the pub were yakking on about this and that then the conversation came to Trump and Clinton. Trump will fire nukes at any country that upsets him and Clinton will invade countries that upset her! So looks like WW3 with nukes or without nukes depending on who becomes President. :03:

AVGWarhawk

03-04-16, 11:49 AM

He's a phony, all bluster. By the virtue of not being politically correct, he has wooed a lot of people who are so sick of PC they are willing to commit political suicide to get something changed. I'm all in favor of ending the PC culture that is turning this country into a cesspool of intellectual laziness and fantasy, but Trump is not the answer. Like Cruz pointed out, Trump has been an ardent Hillery supporter, he's not a Republican, and he cannot accomplish anything he says he will do. God, his answer to the scenario that the Pentagon would rightfully refuse to perform illegal interrogation is "I'll tell them to do it, they'll do it." :dead:

One thing I liked about this debate, the moderators seemed to be a bit more strident at holding the candidates to account, even flashing very detailed visuals to debunk some of the fuzzy claims, like Trump's concepts of balancing the budget. That's what a debate should be.

The next few weeks will be crucial. If Rubio would get out of the race, I think Cruz could beat Trump and get the nomination. Am I putting too much stock in the average American? Seems like the main are of two types; they want government to take care of them like children, or they want a strongman to run their life. :-?

Honestly, Trump was embarrassing. He also appears very confused sometimes. I don't truly believe Trump is the answer. He generates 6 new question from just 1 of his answers. :doh: As crazy as it sounds I lean towards the pasty weird looking uncle that every family has....Cruz. Rubio appears more child-like every debate he participates in.

Trump is speaking the voters language but as you point out, Trump can not deliver.

Aktungbby

03-04-16, 12:31 PM

I'm certainly befuddled by Trumps hairstyle. :hmmm:
Or lack thereof! Un cambio de corazón y un clima más cálido: ¡Me dirijo a Costa Rica! Gracias a Dios mamá me hizo aprender español:shucks: @ The Donald: Hasta la Vista BBY :stare: http://www.kpbs.org/news/2013/may/30/retiring-costa-rica-dream-and-reality/ (http://www.kpbs.org/news/2013/may/30/retiring-costa-rica-dream-and-reality/) http://www.therealcostarica.com/costa_rica_business/banking_in_costa_rica.html (http://www.therealcostarica.com/costa_rica_business/banking_in_costa_rica.html)
http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/112415/opening-bank-account-costa-rica-american.asp (http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/112415/opening-bank-account-costa-rica-american.asp) I've practically got only 10 good years left and Canada's a little cold "Americans in Costa Rica consists of immigrants and expatriates from the United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) to Costa Rica (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa_Rica), mostly retirees. The new Happy Planet Index (http://www.happyplanetindex.org/data/) which rates countries based on how many long and happy lives they produce per unit of environmental output, has ranked Costa Rica #1 globally. The Costa Rican model is particularly instructive at a time when US citizens are groaning under the twin burdens of taxes and increased health insurance costs. According to the U.S. State Department, about 70,000 Americans live in the country. American retirees, many of whom are Baby boomers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_boom), flocked to Costa Rica’s tropical beaches to retire as they’re drawn to its biodiversity, the political stability, and its relative low cost health care. The number of Americans who collect their Social Security (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_(United_States)) checks:yeah: in Costa Rica has jumped 67% since 2002. Many Americans have also purchased vacation homes rather than moving lock, stock and barrel, leaving the U.S. behind. They intend to retire in Costa Rica in five years or so and are using the rental income to pay off the property in the interim.:up:" [tnx wiki]

AVGWarhawk

03-04-16, 12:42 PM

Or lack thereof! Un cambio de corazón y un clima más cálido: ¡Me dirijo a Costa Rica! Gracias a Dios mamá me hizo aprender español:shucks: @ The Donald: Hasta la Vista BBY :stare: http://www.kpbs.org/news/2013/may/30/retiring-costa-rica-dream-and-reality/ (http://www.kpbs.org/news/2013/may/30/retiring-costa-rica-dream-and-reality/) http://www.therealcostarica.com/costa_rica_business/banking_in_costa_rica.html (http://www.therealcostarica.com/costa_rica_business/banking_in_costa_rica.html)
http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/112415/opening-bank-account-costa-rica-american.asp (http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/112415/opening-bank-account-costa-rica-american.asp) I've practically got only 10 good years left and Canada's a little cold "Americans in Costa Rica consists of immigrants and expatriates from the United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) to Costa Rica (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa_Rica), mostly retirees. According to the U.S. State Department, about 70,000 Americans live in the country. American retirees, many of whom are Baby boomers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_boom), flocked to Costa Rica’s tropical beaches to retire as they’re drawn to its biodiversity, the political stability, and its relative low cost health care. The number of Americans who collect their Social Security (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_(United_States)) checks:yeah: in Costa Rica has jumped 67% since 2002. Many Americans have also purchased vacation homes rather than moving lock, stock and barrel, leaving the U.S. behind. They intend to retire in Costa Rica in five years or so and are using the rental income to pay off the property in the interim.:up:" [tnx wiki]

Well then...why would anyone move to Canada if Trump gets the WH? Costa Rica bound! :)