2016 US Presidential election thread

[em2nought]

Aren't minefields cheaper? We probably have enough old ones stocked up to cover the whole boarder with a two hundred yard wide death zone.

Or, we just need VR gun towers on the boarder and then get unemployed young men to pay to play a massive multiplayer game where they get to gun down what appears to them in VR as zoombies. Win, win! Maybe we can power the towers with the burning corpses(er zoombies) collected by VR dune buggies. :up:

[eddie]

Aren't minefields cheaper? We probably have enough old ones stocked up to cover the whole boarder with a two hundred yard wide death zone.

Or, we just need VR gun towers on the boarder and then get unemployed young men to pay to play a massive multiplayer game where they get to gun down what appears to them in VR as zoombies. Win, win! Maybe we can power the towers with the burning corpses(er zoombies) collected by VR dune buggies. :up:

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[Oberon]

Mines with a standard sized fence would probably be cheaper...perhaps fence, minefield fence so that there's no risk of anyone accidentally straying into the thing. Gun turrets would be a bit overkill but movement triggered CCTV and tripwires would be an idea. Then you'd need Seismic sensors to detect any tunnelling operations, South Korea is pretty good at that, they'd be able to show you how its done.
Whether that would work out cheaper or more expensive than Trumps Wall Maria (http://attackontitan.wikia.com/wiki/Walls) is questionable though.

[Jimbuna]

I hope the wind is blowing out of the West if you have the windows open Jim.

Rgr that :)

[U505995]

Eight years? Nah, if Trump is elected, he'll very likely not make it through the first four; he'll probably be impeached before or during his second year; given his inability to address reality and his inability to keep his mouth shut when needed and his high tendency to lie outright, added to whatever landmines his personal dealings hold, if they say "four more years" for Trump, it will be the tallying of additional jail time...

...then, again, there would be a benefit for the Nixon diehards: Trump could make old Tricky Dick seem downright honorable...




<O>
You think the other candidate is any better? Hillary lies through her teath at every conceivable opportunity. This "inability to address reality" is a complete fallacy. Trump has pointed out the truth behind the black community while Hillary listened to the outrageous demands from BLM.
I could say more but instead I'll let this fellow do the talking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw8c2Cq-vpg

[U505995]

I know many of you will discount my opinion as I am not from the U.S., but to me it seems simple.

Clinton is a liar and a crook.

Trump is a liar, crook and idiot.

There have been good leaders who were liars and crooks. There has never been a good leader who was an idiot.
Fixed that for you:
Clinton is a liar, crook, sadist, has possible brain damage, and is repulsive.

[Mr Quatro]

Fixed that for you:
Clinton is a liar, crook, sadist, has possible brain damage, and is repulsive.

Thank you for telling us what you really think Sea Demon, plus she talks to dead people while she was still in the White House ... Eleanor Roosevelt is her little friend in the spirit world.

She is an old fashioned con job ... Trump may be one too, maybe I just don't like women in charge.

Why is it so easy for me to see?

[Aktungbby]

"Reagan" and "tremendous" were my drinking words for Trump.

Jis wuzz a surious misteak.

Medic!



Clearly Trump is hiding his illness from the general public since he hasn't immediately released his medical records, clearly you can see by looking at his right nostril that he has Dandy-Walker syndrome



Daesh

Quite frankly I'm very worried about where the US is going, and the possibility of it taking us all down with it when it goes. WELL there's a DANDY WALKER solution: http://www.alcoholprofessor.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/AlcProfXmasJohnnyWalker1951.jpg (http://www.alcoholprofessor.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/AlcProfXmasJohnnyWalker1951.jpg)
With a 'daesh' of bitters...'soda speke' I wonder, if Trump does lose, whether a Theodore Roosevelt will appear and create a new Progressive Party.
A New Bullmoose Party?:https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/47077_286906474744021_1103999342_n.jpg?oh=f8c6a136 f2a67da97b9b3e37bd2ef068&oe=58704124 Headquarter'd in northern MN... http://bullwinkle.toonzone.net/frostreview.jpg HAMMin' it UP BBY! Any guess what they'll be drinkin'?:()1:

[Catfish]

"I have never liked France or the French and i have never stopped."

"The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive."

:hmmm:

[Oberon]

WELL there's a DANDY WALKER solution: http://www.alcoholprofessor.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/AlcProfXmasJohnnyWalker1951.jpg (http://www.alcoholprofessor.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/AlcProfXmasJohnnyWalker1951.jpg)

And that's the sponsor of the US 2016 elections. :yeah:

[Gray Lensman]

You think the other candidate is any better? Hillary lies through her teath at every conceivable opportunity. This "inability to address reality" is a complete fallacy. Trump has pointed out the truth behind the black community while Hillary listened to the outrageous demands from BLM.
I could say more but instead I'll let this fellow do the talking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw8c2Cq-vpg

That was the best video refuting all the crap about Trump I've viewed. Too bad no liberals have the patience to sit thru it. They wouldn't want to accept the truth anyhow. They would rather believe all the "truthful" printed news instead. I had an inkling of some of the untruths and distortions that were being put out but no idea how pervasive it really was, including the phony righteous indignation of Jebby boy regarding his wife and book. Recommended for all open minded persons. Liberals needn't bother, your safe space will be violated.

Thanks for sharing!

[Oberon]

Liberals needn't bother, your safe space will be violated.

:roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:

[Torvald Von Mansee]

That was the best video refuting all the crap about Trump I've viewed. Too bad no liberals have the patience to sit thru it. They wouldn't want to accept the truth anyhow. They would rather believe all the "truthful" printed news instead. I had an inkling of some of the untruths and distortions that were being put out but no idea how pervasive it really was, including the phony righteous indignation of Jebby boy regarding his wife and book. Recommended for all open minded persons. Liberals needn't bother, your safe space will be violated.

Thanks for sharing!

http://s3.freefoto.com/images/9910/08/9910_08_6747_web.jpg

[Onkel Neal]

Fixed that for you:
Clinton is a liar, crook, sadist, has possible brain damage, and is repulsive....and, the same can be said of her opponent.

Well, as long as we make sure everyone votes (https://www.facebook.com/anonews.co/videos/1338537752824447/), we will have a good election. :timeout:

[Gray Lensman]

<snip>

He can't afford to reduce taxes by 15% and increase the military and build a wall between USA and Mexico now can he. FEMA will need more money for any disaster.

<snip>


If his tax reductions increase job creation like Reagan's tax cut, then the tax revenue coffers should see a net increase. We'll just have to wait and see... But I do remember a number of months during Reagan's term (prob 2nd) where there were in excess of 1 million new jobs created in those individual months. Obama thinks that 200,000 jobs created in a month is something to brag about. (And to put it in even more context... the 1980 U.S census population was 226,545,805, whereas Obama's approx. 200,000 jobs are against a projected 2015 population of 320,000,000). Hillary derisively refers to this as "Trumped Up, Trickle Down Economics!"

...and, the same can be said of her opponent.

Well, as long as we make sure everyone votes (https://www.facebook.com/anonews.co/videos/1338537752824447/), we will have a good election. :timeout:

'make sure everyone votes ONCE and no dead people or non-citizens! :D

[Betonov]

Trump is a dirty bomb hidden in a crate marked ''dirty bomb''.
Clinton is a dirty bomb hidden in a crate marked ''progress''.

I am a left wing coming from a traditionaly left wing country where even a right wing party is left wing for US standards and the general consensus here is that Clinton is a lot more dangerous to us than Trump.
No sarcasm, ni kidding.

[eddie]

I got to thinking, what if Clinton wins by a narrow margin. Wonder how many recounts Trump would put us through!:haha:

[Gray Lensman]

Liberals needn't bother, your safe space will be violated.


:roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:

I live just 30 miles south of "snowflake" Kiddie Land University of Missouri... and they emphasize campus "safe space" rooms around here to protect up and coming liberal students from microaggression harrassment caused by hearing/seeing opposing points of view other than their liberal version. So that's my general disclaimer in case one of the snowflakes might be reading. :D

see: link! (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/09/mizzou-protesters-to-media-stay-out-of-our-safe-space-or-we-ll-call-the-cops.html)

[Betonov]

http://i.imgur.com/9OFlrOa.jpg

[eddie]

I live just 30 miles south of "snowflake" Kiddie Land University of Missouri... and they emphasize campus "safe space" rooms around here to protect up and coming liberal students from microaggression harrassment caused by hearing/seeing opposing points of view other than their liberal version. So that's my general disclaimer in case one of the snowflakes might be reading. :D

see: link! (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/09/mizzou-protesters-to-media-stay-out-of-our-safe-space-or-we-ll-call-the-cops.html)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v138/Thony/dumbass_zpsxn6wixlf.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Thony/media/dumbass_zpsxn6wixlf.jpg.html)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v138/Thony/55670063_zpspnviw3de.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Thony/media/55670063_zpspnviw3de.jpg.html)

[Skybird]

I have not read these two books myself, but repeatedly have read - sometimes long - essays about these books and authors, both seem to ride the top of the booklists in the US currently. And it seems both writers got their acts together quite well if you see their books as part of an attempt to explain why Trump is so successful and connects with so many people despite his idiotic behavior and blatant lyings and offensive posing.

http://www.nationalmemo.com/hillbilly-elegy-forgotten-americans-love-trump/

http://www.salon.com/2016/07/09/the_deep_roots_of_white_trash_in_america_not_only_ are_we_not_a_post_racial_society_we_are_certainly_ not_a_post_class_society/

[Torplexed]

This is the part of The Donald's voting base that gives me the heebee jeebees. The people that use the internet to block reality and substitute their own.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/finally-someone-who-thinks-like-me/2016/10/01/c9b6f334-7f68-11e6-9070-5c4905bf40dc_story.html

She was a 52-year-old woman who had worked 20 years for the railroad, had once been a Democrat and was now a Republican, and counted herself among the growing swath of people who occupied the fringes of American politics but were increasingly becoming part of the mainstream. Like millions of others, she believed that President Obama was a Muslim. And like so many she had gotten to know online through social media, she also believed that he was likely gay, that Michelle Obama could be a man, and that the Obama children were possibly kidnapped from a family now searching for them.

“So beautiful,” Melanie said as Ivanka Trump walked onto the convention stage to introduce her father, and soon the soaring score of the movie “Air Force One” was blasting through the TV. Melanie sat up straighter. This is what she had been waiting for.

“Here comes Big Daddy,” she said, clapping. “The Donald. Big Daddy.”The Donald as Big Daddy. Apparently, we'll be just like Hati with the Papa Doc.

[Platapus]

"Obama children were possibly kidnapped from a family now searching for them."

That is totally bogus. Everyone knows that if Obama got a hold of children he would have immediately eaten them. :D

[Torplexed]

Everyone knows that if Obama got a hold of children he would have immediately eaten them. :D

That becomes a gold-plated fact five minutes after it's posted on InfoWars. :O:

[Mr Quatro]

That becomes a gold-plated fact five minutes after it's posted on InfoWars. :O:

Perception = reality :yep:

[Gray Lensman]

<snip>

Everyone knows that if Obama got a hold of children he would have immediately eaten them. :D

That is totally bogus. Everyone knows that Obama only eats dogs :03:

[Catfish]

That is totally bogus. Everyone knows that Obama only eats dogs :03:

But then he can't be a muslim.
Now i am completely disoriented.

[Betonov]

But then he can't be a muslim.
Now i am completely disoriented.

Those are pigs.
Muslims hate dogs in general, so if he eats dogs, then Obama is a muslim.

[Buddahaid]

But then he can't be a muslim.
Now i am completely disoriented.

http://lornasvoice.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/maxwell_smart__confused.gif

Right, Chief!?!?

[Oberon]

“When people come back from war and combat and they see maybe what the people in this room have seen many times over, and you’re strong and you can handle it, but a lot of people can’t handle it.”

https://media.giphy.com/media/RBeddeaQ5Xo0E/giphy.gif

"Thomas Jefferson Rainey was the bravest soldier I have ever seen and he committed suicide after coming back from Vietnam. In January 1970 Tom and I were standing next to each other when a command detonated claymore mine wiped out our two soldiers walking point. Without a second of delay, Tom ran forward to aid the dead and dying soldiers - shaming me into following. Tom came back with PTSD as did many of us. HOW DARE THAT SCUMBAG DRAFT DODGER PASS JUDGEMENT!"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Wilson_(novelist)

[Mr Quatro]

“When people come back from war and combat and they see maybe what the people in this room have seen many times over, and you’re strong and you can handle it, but a lot of people can’t handle it.”


"Thomas Jefferson Rainey was the bravest soldier I have ever seen and he committed suicide after coming back from Vietnam. In January 1970 Tom and I were standing next to each other when a command detonated claymore mine wiped out our two soldiers walking point. Without a second of delay, Tom ran forward to aid the dead and dying soldiers - shaming me into following. Tom came back with PTSD as did many of us. HOW DARE THAT SCUMBAG DRAFT DODGER PASS JUDGEMENT!"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Wilson_(novelist)

I don't understand who Ed is talking about? Does this have anything to do with what Trump may or may not have said?

I don't like this guy already after all he has already renounced his citizenship, two (2) he is a novelist that makes up stuff to print and make his lively hood with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Wilson_(novelist)

Edward Wilson is a British writer of spy fiction. A native of Baltimore, Maryland, United States, he emigrated to the United Kingdom after serving in the Vietnam War, renounced his US citizenship to naturalise in his new country, and after three decades as a teacher chose to quit to devote himself full-time to his career as a novelist.

If this is about Trump so what ...

Thomas Jefferson Rainey had PTSD and couldn't deal with his demons anymore ... he had an evil spirit as all men tormented by PTSD.

I suspect Donald Trump may have some spirit (re: mental) problems. :yep:

[Torplexed]

So, it seems we get to find out what surprises Wikileaks has in store for Hillary tomorrow.

[Oberon]

I don't understand who Ed is talking about? Does this have anything to do with what Trump may or may not have said?

I don't like this guy already after all he has already renounced his citizenship, two (2) he is a novelist that makes up stuff to print and make his lively hood with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Wilson_(novelist)



If this is about Trump so what ...

Thomas Jefferson Rainey had PTSD and couldn't deal with his demons anymore ... he had an evil spirit as all men tormented by PTSD.

I suspect Donald Trump may have some spirit (re: mental) problems. :yep:

To be honest, I tend to believe Eddies credentials, if they were fake someone would have rumbled him on it by now. The thing is, I can see what Trump was possibly trying to get across, but whoever his speech writer is really needs to get fired because he said it all backwards. Vets who have PTSD are as strong as they come, some could perhaps make the arguement that they are a tiny bit stronger because not only do they have to adjust to civilian life but they also have another battle to fight which is one that is hard for people to understand because the damage is internal rather than external. 1st Lt Rainey couldn't win that fight, many can't and that is a terrible shame, a quick google search indicates that Rainey died in 1995, so he must have fought for some time with what he had seen and done. That is assuming that it is the same Rainey, of course.
In regards to Edward Wilsons credibility, I imagine it would be fairly easy to look up receipients of the Bronze Star and the Army Commendation Medal to confirm it, wouldn't it? :hmmm:
But back to Trump, seriously, he may score points with a select crowd with his rhetoric, but he's doing a Dubya, he's putting his foot straight in his mouth and screwing up any message he's trying to get across. I mean, you can say what you want about Obama, and no doubt people will, but he is a far better orater than Trump or Bush, even if he uses an autocue and pauses a lot. What he does say is clear, and it's rare that he winds up the subject of a whole section of comedy and derision because of something he's said. Obama is clued in to modern social media and knows what to say to appeal to the modern generation. Neither Clinton or Trump have that, in fact no-one in this entire line-up for the next presidency, candidate race and all, has displayed that acumen, that level of savvy to do something like this:

https://media.giphy.com/media/12O2XuGsIx1OvK/giphy.gif

I think Bill Clinton came close, and before him definitely Reagan, and before him...probably you have to go back as far as FDR before you get another president that was able to engage with the public on such a level. I call it the 'gift of the gab', and with Reagan it was definitely being an actor which helped, always quick with a witty remark or comeback which would get him a chuckle from the audience.

Still, we'll see how the next presidential debate goes, if Trump turns up, the key for him is not to let either Hilary or the moderator get under his skin, just stay cool, keep to the message, don't try and go after Clinton and if you need to, if you've done something which most people think is wrong then apologise, there really is nothing wrong with admitting that what you said or did was wrong and that you will endeavour to learn from it. It's not a sign of weakness, it's a sign of someone who is willing to learn.

[Buddahaid]

...if you've done something which most people think is wrong then apologise, there really is nothing wrong with admitting that what you said or did was wrong and that you will endeavour to learn from it. It's not a sign of weakness, it's a sign of someone who is willing to learn.

It's a sign of behaving as an adult. Too bad we behave like a nation of children most of the time. Perhaps we are.
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[Gray Lensman]

<snip>

I mean, you can say what you want about Obama, and no doubt people will, but he is a far better orater than Trump or Bush, even if he uses an autocue and pauses a lot. What he does say is clear, and it's rare that he winds up the subject of a whole section of comedy and derision because of something he's said. Obama is clued in to modern social media and knows what to say to appeal to the modern generation.

<snip>


Here's some snippets of Obama's clarity. Link! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyW9e5QdWxk)

I've never heard Trump speak like that! :D

[McBeck]

I mean, you can say what you want about Obama, and no doubt people will, but he is a far better orater than Trump or Bush, even if he uses an autocue and pauses a lot. What he does say is clear, and it's rare that he winds up the subject of a whole section of comedy and derision because of something he's said. Obama is clued in to modern social media and knows what to say to appeal to the modern generation. Neither Clinton or Trump have that, in fact no-one in this entire line-up for the next presidency, candidate race and all, has displayed that acumen, that level of savvy to do something like this:

https://media.giphy.com/media/12O2XuGsIx1OvK/giphy.gif

I think Bill Clinton came close, and before him definitely Reagan, and before him...probably you have to go back as far as FDR before you get another president that was able to engage with the public on such a level. I call it the 'gift of the gab', and with Reagan it was definitely being an actor which helped, always quick with a witty remark or comeback which would get him a chuckle from the audience.


What about Kennedy? He had some fantastic speaches

[Onkel Neal]

What about Kennedy? He had some fantastic speeches

Kennedy was very inspiring. His tasteless affairs aside, he was a good president; smart, gutsy, and pragmatic.


Reagan it was definitely being an actor which helped, always quick with a witty remark or comeback which would get him a chuckle from the audience.
As you pointed out, Reagan was an actor, and in addition to the training he learned for his craft he had a natural gift for charm.

[Buddahaid]

Here's some snippets of Obama's clarity. Link! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyW9e5QdWxk)

I've never heard Trump speak like that! :D

Same snippet compilation was done to Dubbya and just as meaningless. Childish but funny.

[Platapus]

So, it seems we get to find out what surprises Wikileaks has in store for Hillary tomorrow.


Were you surprised?

[mapuc]

Here is what people will say to this coming "release"

1. Pro-Clinton-These "release" is fabricated

2. Pro-Trump- There you see Clinton is a crook

3. Independent- so what, Trump ain't better.

Markus

[Torplexed]

Were you surprised?

I should have known you wouldn't need an Orphan Annie Secret Decoder Ring to figure out it was gonna be a lousy commercial. :haha:

http://pyxis.homestead.com/c7976af4d2ce1ff9330f74193088548bc455d983.jpg

[Mr Quatro]

Interesting results vs poles especially 64, 68, 84

http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/fb7l0hgt5kgmzyn3mlgsvg.gif

[Torvald Von Mansee]

How strange this hasn't been mentioned in this thread, yet:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-recorded-having-extremely-lewd-conversation-about-women-in-2005/2016/10/07/3b9ce776-8cb4-11e6-bf8a-3d26847eeed4_story.html?postshare=2491475870527101&tid=ss_tw

[Torplexed]

How strange this hasn't been mentioned in this thread, yet:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-recorded-having-extremely-lewd-conversation-about-women-in-2005/2016/10/07/3b9ce776-8cb4-11e6-bf8a-3d26847eeed4_story.html?postshare=2491475870527101&tid=ss_tw

The fallout has been swift. A full list of Mormon Republicans have renounced Trump tonight: Utah Gov Gary Herbert, Utah Rep Jason Chaffetz and former Utah Gov Jon Huntsman.

I love the way Trump references Bill Clinton in his response. The bad news for Trump is this tape blunts any attacks on Bill Clinton's bedroom misdeeds Donald was planning on making in the next debate.

Barack begins to enjoy life on the sidelines.

http://pyxis.homestead.com/my_fault.jpg

[Méo]

How strange this hasn't been mentioned in this thread, yet:

From Mark Kirk on Twitter:

@realDonaldTrump should drop out. @GOP should engage rules for emergency replacement.

:hmmm:

[Buddahaid]

...I love the way Trump references Bill Clinton in his response....


Last I checked Bill wasn't running for office so his point is what? This is like watching a kindergarten playground attack. What an idiot.

[Torplexed]

Last I checked Bill wasn't running for office so his point is what? This is like watching a kindergarten playground attack. What an idiot.

Yeah, because we've had a Sex Addict-in-Chief in the past, a Crotch Grabber-in-Chief is okay. Seems like we should trying to up our game.

So how does the Republican Party try to play this? My guess is that party chairman Reince and some party bigwigs meet and quietly put the word out that if candidates downballot want to run away from Trump and condemn, they'll be given the blessing of the party to do so and face no recriminations.

And I would imagine that would be a tremendous blow for Trump's ground game, which was already relying heavily on the GOP faithful. Those field workers are going to be working for senators and congresscritters, not the Donald.

[Oberon]

It's ok, the GOP have released some emails of the Dems so we can get back to attacking them. :haha:

Got to admit, those are some nasty looking emails too, but then that's the theme for this election isn't it? :hmmm:

EDIT: Also, Paul Ryan ditched Trump from his event in Wisconsin today. I doubt that'll change much.

[Skybird]

Possible that that 10 year old video broke Trump his neck, or not?

[Oberon]

Possible that that 10 year old video broke Trump his neck, or not?

Naaah, he'll muddle through it, to his supporters it's just more evidence that he's the non-PC president that America needs.

[August]

So how does the Republican Party try to play this? My guess is that party chairman Reince and some party bigwigs meet and quietly put the word out that if candidates downballot want to run away from Trump and condemn, they'll be given the blessing of the party to do so and face no recriminations.

Oh they'll face recriminations all right. Every time President Clinton does something outrageous their own base will blame them for putting her in the oval office.

[Oberon]

relying heavily on the GOP faithful.

Support does seem to be drying up quicker than I envisaged, I'd still be surprised if he did stand down, since honestly doing that so close to the election would just basically hand Hillary the presidency, even if these damaging leaks seem to be doing that anyway.
Well...I guess the Republican voters put Trump there, ahead by a long way of all the others, so what is sown.

https://cdn-enterprise.discourse.org/boingboing/uploads/default/original/3X/d/0/d09349cf1e4708faf575d3b01df0bcced532feec.gif

At the very least, should make tomorrow even more entertaining....or terrifying.

[Oberon]

Meanwhile

https://media.giphy.com/media/10Shl99Vghh5aU/giphy.gif

[Torplexed]

Now, Congresswoman Martha Roby and Senator Mike Crapo have withdrawn their endorsements for Trump. Even some Republicans in safe races are jumping ship now.
It's ok, the GOP have released some emails of the Dems so we can get back to attacking them. :haha:

Got to admit, those are some nasty looking emails too, but then that's the theme for this election isn't it? :hmmm:


And Shillary takes a hit. It's dueling October surprises. I'm used to the idea of an October surprise, but this month is starting to look like an advent calendar of them. :doh:

[Skybird]

As they say: its not over until Dr. Strangelove rings. :D

[Mr Quatro]

As they say: its not over until Dr. Strangelove rings. :D

It's not over till the fat lady, in the red dress that waddled into the last debate, sings :woot:

I wonder how much this (11) year old audio/video tape cost the democratic party and how long ago did they obtain the tape
and such great timing right before this crucial 2nd debate?

It's all for nothing anyway unless Donald Trump can pull out a win Oct 9th Sunday night without dragging Bill's sex life into the fray.

It's getting harder to support Trump, especially after he blamed the US Border Patrol for planning on letting all of the illegals
come across the border next month just in time to vote. That's got to be the dumbest thing I have ever heard. :oops:

[Oberon]

As they say: its not over until Dr. Strangelove rings. :D

http://i.makeagif.com/media/11-28-2013/spqhb6.gif

Trump has apparently ruled out standing down in a call to the WaPo:

“I’d never withdraw. I’ve never withdrawn in my life,” Trump told the paper in a phone call. “No, I’m not quitting this race. I have tremendous support.”
“People are calling and saying, ‘Don’t even think about doing anything else but running,” Trump went on to say when asked about party defections.
He also took the opportunity to have another dig at rival Hillary Clinton, saying she's made it easier for the party to stay behind him.
“It’s because she’s so bad. She’s so flawed as a candidate. Running against her, I can’t say it’d be the same if I ran against someone else, but running against her makes it a lot easier, that’s for sure.”


He has a point, the Republican party managed to take an open goal, line up the ball....and punt it backwards into their own goal from the other side of the pitch. This should have been easy for them, Hilary Clinton is one of Americas most hated leaders, even the Democrats don't really like her, it should have been a cakewalk...and what did the GOP do? It elected Donald Trump. That's not so much shooting yourself in the foot, it's shooting yourself in the foot with a Davy Crockett.

[Méo]

to his supporters it's just more evidence that he's the non-PC president that America needs.

This may be intended as sarcasm...

But IMO that very sentence describe best how sad the whole thing is :nope:

[Skybird]

I bet a 10er that Trump is done. Means: one retard out of the race, the other retard moves on. Bet is valid with the first guy posting he bets against me.

He may chose to continue until the bitter end, but I dare to predict he will not win on election day. This was the one straw that broke the camel's back.

Clinton getting elected, the disappointment over that will not be forgotten - and it will seek payback in double volumes next time. I assume the next campaign in 2020 will become even nastier than this one.

It should not be and so I hope it cannot be that bad in America that Trump gets away with this. He must lose over this. If even not over this - over what then...?

[Torplexed]

Martha Robey, Alabama congresswoman and mainstream conservative has also rescinded her support for Trump.

Joe Heck, running for Senate in Nevada, also disavows.


The beat-down goes on.

[Mr Quatro]

This should have been easy for them, Hilary Clinton is one of Americas most hated leaders, even the Democrats don't really like her, it should have been a cakewalk...and what did the GOP do? It elected Donald Trump.

Give the GOP a break ... Rubio, Cruz, Carson, Bush all lightweight's compared to Trump. That lady from HP that Trump made fun of is better than Hillary Clinton.

There's still going to be an election ... this is just a speed bump for Trump :up:

[Oberon]

this is just a speed bump for Trump :up:

I dunno, the suspension must be pretty shot by now. :hmmm:

[Torplexed]

The floodgates keep creaking. Senator John Thune of South Dakota suggests Donald Trump should withdraw and VP candidate Mike Pence should be the GOP nominee effective immediately.

Not gonna happen. It is not legally possible to replace Trump on the ballot. In fact, voting has even started by mail in some places. So, Trump is cemented in place, for better or worse.

[Oberon]

And now Pence has stated that he cannot condone or defend Trumps words:

'As a husband and a father, I was offended by the words and actions described by Donald Trump in the 11-year-old video released yesterday. I do not condone his remarks and cannot defend them. I am grateful that he has expressed remorse and apologized to the American people, We pray for his family and look forward to the opportunity he has to show what is in his heart when he goes before the nation tomorrow night.'

Translation: Please, for the love of God, Donald, stick to the script and don't say or do anything stupid....

[Oberon]

Current Donald Status:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4lXGrSLQR1I/UNFCaXLjsnI/AAAAAAAAAZc/FAbX_xJf7KQ/s1600/speed-bumps-continuous.jpg


Apparently the RNC have ordered the halt of all 'Victory' program projects temporarily - http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/rnc-halts-all-victory-project-work-for-trump-229363

I think that since the RNC most likely can't change the candidate, they're just going to pull out their support and begin the four year process of distancing themselves from Trump and this entire election.
Unless he delivers an absolute blinder tomorrow night, I think the RNC may have decided that this game is over.

Even the Governator won't be giving his support!
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/arnold-schwarzenegger-donald-trump-229359

https://m.popkey.co/c3908e/w6KK5.gif

[Torplexed]

Well, the avalanche of sludge keeps coming and puddytatgate may soon merge with youngderrieregate. In a series of past interviews with radio talk show host Howard Stern, Trump admits to deliberately walking in on undressing beauty pageant contestants, tells Stern it's okay to call his daughter "a piece of ass" and basically behaves like a misogynistic boor--

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/08/po...ern/index.html

Donald Trump engaged in crude and demeaning conversations about women over a 17-year-period with radio shock-jock Howard Stern, according to a review by CNN's KFile of hours of newly uncovered audio.

Among the topics Trump discussed: his daughter Ivanka's physique, having sex with women on their menstrual cycles, threesomes, and checking out of a relationship with women after they turn 35....

...While Trump's comments — in which he describes forcing himself upon women — stand apart from anything he has said in the past, Trump has long engaged in sexually explicit banter over the years, particularly on Stern. Trump appeared on Stern's radio program for decades, and while many of his appearances have been reported on, KFile's review has turned up previously unreported examples of Trump engaging in crude conversations...

In another interview, from September 2004, Stern asks Trump if he can call Ivanka "a piece of ass," to which Trump responds in the affirmative.

"My daughter is beautiful, Ivanka," says Trump.

"By the way, your daughter," says Stern.

"She's beautiful," responds Trump.

"Can I say this? A piece of ass," Stern responds.
"Yeah," says Trump....

...In his interviews with Stern, Trump discussed leaving women after a certain age and dating younger women.

In a 2002 appearance, Trump calls 30 "a perfect age."

"Until she's 35," a co-host interjects.

"What is it at 35? It's called check-out time," Trump responds....Frankly, I thought just about everyone was aware of the rumours of his past behavior on Stern's show.

[Oberon]

misogynistic boor--

Again, I don't think that this will bother many of those who were voting for him, they'll just see it as a bit of 'banter' and more proof that he's not PC which is pretty much exactly what they wanted in a candidate.
Whether there's enough of those people in America to make him President, and whether his own party can survive it are two different matters.

[Torplexed]

Again, I don't think that this will bother many of those who were voting for him, they'll just see it as a bit of 'banter' and more proof that he's not PC which is pretty much exactly what they wanted in a candidate.
Whether there's enough of those people in America to make him President, and whether his own party can survive it are two different matters.

You are probably right. I listened to National Public Radio's Weekend Edition where they were interviewing Mr. Ralph Reed...He of the "Family Values" Christian Coalition set.

While condemning Trump's remarks as both a Christian and a father, he then immediately defended Trump as the only candidate who would be anti-abortion, appoint conservative Supreme Court judges, and generally support those family values.

You get the feeling they'd vote for the Prince of Darkness as long as he aped his support for family values and was running against Hillary.

The cognitive dissonance in this race is breath-taking. And it exists on both sides.

[Oberon]

You get the feeling they'd vote for the Prince of Darkness as long as he aped his support for family values and was running against Hillary.

I think that the GOP had that kind of feeling when it saw how popular Trump was getting, they knew he was a wild card but they decided to try and see if they can hold onto the tail of the tiger and hope that it got into the White House before it turned around and bit them.
I mean, the stuff that's coming out now, it's not exactly stuff that's deeply buried on a server somewhere, in fact the stuff that the GRU has been putting out via wikileaks about Hillary is probably harder to access than the Trump tapes and yet the RNC didn't bring any of this up during the candidate election process, and they're not usually slouches when it comes to dirt digging. Which hints that there was an element, the size of which we cannot be sure, within the RNC that wanted Trump to get the nomination, most likely to appeal to the 'Alt-Right (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right)', and then since he was pushing the right buttons for the traditional Christian conservative wing he was able to roll them in too, and the others sort of fell in behind him when he looked likely to win and are now starting to head to the lifeboats as the USS Trump does a passable impression of the USS Maine, except rather than prompting the Spanish-American war...I think this may prompt the Republican Civil War, or at the very least (hopefully) cause some internal reorganisation and the sort of soul searching that the GOP has really needed to do since 2009 but has repeatedly failed to do, leading them to this point.


In other news, I see that the US has officially accused Russia of interfering with the election.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/oct/07/us-russia-dnc-hack-interfering-presidential-election

http://i.imgur.com/xkkCG30.jpg?1

[mapuc]

I have no access to CNN or other English speaking news program

Here, when there's something about Clinton it fill about 1/4 of a news program and the day after it seems forgotten. When Trump do something even if it's 11 years old it fills almost the entire news program and for more than just this day. Shall not be forgotten.

The interesting for me, is the upcoming polls/survey-To see if there has been a drop in support for Trump

Another interesting thing I have noticed when I write certain words here in our forum

If I write Clinton with a little "c" the forum(I suppose) automatic change the little "c" to a capital "C". If i write Trump with a little "t" it remain little-Funny I must say.

Markus

[Oberon]

If I write Clinton with a little "c" the forum(I suppose) automatic change the little "c" to a capital "C". If i write Trump with a little "t" it remain little-Funny I must say.

Markus

Clearly Neals server company is a sellout to shillary™

Make Subsim.com Great Again!

[Skybird]

If I write Clinton with a little "c" the forum(I suppose) automatic change the little "c" to a capital "C". If i write Trump with a little "t" it remain little-Funny I must say.

Size does not matter, say women. Hypocrites. :88)

[Reece]

He must lose over this. If even not over this - over what then...?
He should step down or even better FIRED!!!:timeout:

[razark]

If i write Trump with a little "t" it remain little-Funny I must say.
"Trump" is a word in itself, aside from a name.

But I believe the spell-checking is a function of your browser, rather than the server/site.

[Subnuts]

To summarize the last 48 hours of the Trump campaign:
http://i.giphy.com/ZEBaMfafOSjWo.gif

[Mr Quatro]

It is a battle for what we think, right? This is what Trump thinks: http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/23/politics/donald-trump-shoot-somebody-support/

January 24th 2016

Trump: I could 'shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters'


Donald Trump boasted Saturday that support for his presidential campaign would not decline even if he shot someone in the middle of a crowded street.

"I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters," Trump said at a campaign rally here.

[Oberon]

To summarize the last 48 hours of the Trump campaign:
http://i.giphy.com/ZEBaMfafOSjWo.gif

Brilliant! :yeah:

I really must watch that again sometime soon...

[Torplexed]

Brilliant! :yeah:

I really must watch that again sometime soon...

The Hunt for Orange October? :D

[Subnuts]

All of us by November 8th.
http://i.giphy.com/HabqcFS2smVOM.gif

[Oberon]

The Hunt for Orange October? :D

Well, it'll be either that or Grey Lady Down. :o

[Takeda Shingen]

Bold prediction time: If Trump is bumped off the ticket and replaced by Mike Pence then Hillary Clinton loses. In fact, it is the only way that Clinton loses this election.

As I said repeatedly, there was absolutely no way that Trump was going to win this election. What was to be determined was whether or not the Republican Party will survive the candidacy of Donald J. Trump. That seems to be in greater question than ever after this past week. More directly for Pence, he needs take some action. If Trump is not out then he simply must, for the sake of his own political career, jump ship lest he be forever branded as "Donald Trump's running mate".

The next few weeks and months will be very interesting, and not for the presidential election. That's over. Has been for a long time. The fallout from this campaign will provide the entertainment.

[Oberon]

That is bold, gutsy...but can Trump actually be removed this late in the game? I know of Punch Foley for Joe, but that ended with the GOP losing a safe seat in Florida back in 2006.
Certainly though, the fallout from this campaign is going to be pretty tremendous, and who knows...perhaps this time the GOP will sit down and take a good long look at itself and try to figure out what it wants to be.

[Takeda Shingen]

That is bold, gutsy...but can Trump actually be removed this late in the game? I know of Punch Foley for Joe, but that ended with the GOP losing a safe seat in Florida back in 2006.
Certainly though, the fallout from this campaign is going to be pretty tremendous, and who knows...perhaps this time the GOP will sit down and take a good long look at itself and try to figure out what it wants to be.

Truth be told, I don't know if the candidate can be changed at this point. I suspect that there must be some sort of fail-safe option, but I don't know for certain. What if your candidate murders someone two weeks before the election? There must be a way to replace.

The aftermath will be pretty intense. I will say that it has removed the impending drama around tomorrow night. It doesn't matter what Trump says at this point. All the voters are going to see is a guy that's cool with sexual assault. The party squabbling should be pretty neat though.

[Oberon]

The party squabbling should be pretty neat though.

Neals gonna need a bigger server... :O:

[Armistead]

we're gonna see the debate head to the gutter tomorrow...once hillary lays it out we all know trump is gonna go after her for attacking and trying to destroy the lives of bill's numerous sexual victims..

impossible for trump to drop out, early voting has started in several states already....prepare for 4 years of hillary unless the focus soon shifts to all the stuff in the emails coming out.

[Platapus]

Gee and I was already to vote for Trump and over look all his other faults, but because he made crude statements 10 years ago, that made up my mind. Yup, that was the tipping point....That's what we should be focusing on.... comments made 10 years ago.

[Mr Quatro]

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-presidential-debates/second-presidential-debate-promises-ugliness-after-trump-tapes-n662576


Parents with small children may want to consider putting them to bed before Sunday's presidential debate, which seems certain to devolve into a TV-MA grudge of reciprocal sexual assault allegations.

Trump better do something tonight ... I think he has so many negatives going all he can do sling it back at Hillary for being a crook.

How many rednecks will wait in line in a rain storm to vote for Trump is yet to be seen. :D

[Torplexed]

Trump better do something tonight ... I think he has so many negatives going all he can do sling it back at Hillary for being a crook.



If Hillary has one of her patented coughing hacks during the debate then all bets are off, and we're back on the subject of her possible poor health for the next week. She might want to keep a lozenge handy.

[Oberon]

If Hillary has one of her patented coughing hacks during the debate then all bets are off, and we're back on the subject of her possible poor health for the next week. She might want to keep a lozenge handy.

It's ok, she's got her doctors to create a special suit for her to improve her breathing.

http://static1.techinsider.io/image/56a7adbfc08a80872f8bbaba-1190-625/it-sounds-like-darth-vader-will-appear-in-the-next-star-wars-movie.jpg

"No Donald...I have a pussy!"
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

[Rockstar]

Gee and I was already to vote for Trump and over look all his other faults, but because he made crude statements 10 years ago, that made up my mind. Yup, that was the tipping point....That's what we should be focusing on.... comments made 10 years ago.


Well since they've pretty much accepted and made every attempt to convince others that terrorism, stagnate wages, poor job growth, huge national debt, war in Syria, drone strikes in foreign lands, cops getting shot, gang violence, illegal immigration, as the "new norm". What else is there to talk about?

[Torplexed]

It's ok, she's got her doctors to create a special suit for her to improve her breathing.

"No Donald...I have a pussy!"
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

Heh..heh. Since it is a town hall style debate I thought it would be funny if Hillary took a certain defensive stance whenever the Donald strolls by. :D

http://pyxis.homestead.com/kWUEnKq.jpg

[Jimbuna]

^LOL :)

[Oberon]

Heh..heh. Since it is a town hall style debate I thought it would be funny if Hillary took a certain defensive stance whenever the Donald strolls by. :D



:haha:

The strange and perhaps a bit concerning matter is how little this recent event has actually bothered GOP voters, while most of their party elite are running for the hills they remain pretty steadfastly behind Trump. Seems party is coming before country. :hmmm:

[Buddahaid]

Because their party is the only real country of course.

[Schroeder]

What else is there to talk about?
Hmmm....has Hillary already produced her birth certificate?:D

[mapuc]

I understand the Trump supporters are somehow disappointed the media keep on talking about something Trump said 10-11 years ago

Aren't these Supporters doing the same against Clinton-telling her voters what she have done some years back when she was-minister ?

Markus

[Gray Lensman]

I understand the Trump supporters are somehow disappointed the media keep on talking about something Trump said 10-11 years ago

Aren't these Supporters doing the same against Clinton-telling her voters what she have done some years back when she was-minister ?

Markus

The difference is what she did was jeopardize national secrets via her private email, then lied about it to the FBI, even though she got off when anybody else would have been punished in one form or another... i.e. Martha Stewart (lied to the FBI)... General Petraus (revealed secrets)... etc.

while Trump just committed a stupid lewd act that was not directly illegal AND had nothing to do with National interests.

Since they are both running for President... The jeopardizing national secrets vastly overshadows a stupid lewd comment from 10 years back.

[Buddahaid]

I understand the Trump supporters are somehow disappointed the media keep on talking about something Trump said 10-11 years ago

Aren't these Supporters doing the same against Clinton-telling her voters what she have done some years back when she was-minister ?

Markus

You're using logic and it has no bearing on the matter. Trump supporters will only see this as a sign of his virility and fitness for office.

[mapuc]

You're using logic and it has no bearing on the matter. Trump supporters will only see this as a sign of his virility and fitness for office.

I guess you're right

As I mentioned some pages back-It's going to be interesting to watch the next Poll/survey to see if Trump has lost some percentage or not.

Markus

[Catfish]

The difference is what she did was jeopardize national secrets via her private email,... etc....

I guess she did not do it intentionally, also at that time only a few people at all realized your eMail could be intercepted at all. Some (german) politicians didn't even know what that is, at the time. This is not an excuse, but an explanation.

A Federal Executive and Legislative Branch Oath, or a Federal Judiciary Oath, is not the same as a military oath ?

[MaDef]

:haha:

The strange and perhaps a bit concerning matter is how little this recent event has actually bothered GOP voters, while most of their party elite are running for the hills they remain pretty steadfastly behind Trump. Seems party is coming before country. :hmmm:

the Term much ado about nothing comes to mind.

And before you'all get prissy over that statement, let me put it into context;
There isn't a person on this planet that at one time hasn't stuck their foot in their mouth for whatever reason.

As for the party "elite" (as you call them). Well, everyone of them are idiots, and will take the path of least resistance so they can retain their positions.

[Oberon]

the Term much ado about nothing comes to mind.

And before you'all get prissy over that statement, let me put it into context;
There isn't a person on this planet that at one time hasn't stuck their foot in their mouth for whatever reason.

As for the party "elite" (as you call them). Well, everyone of them are idiots, and will take the path of least resistance so they can retain their positions.

I'm not aware that he has actually taken his foot out yet. :hmmm:

[Reece]

:har::har:

[Oberon]

The theme tune for tonights debate has just been released by CNN:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgpZ0fUixs

[Takeda Shingen]

The theme tune for tonights debate has just been released by CNN:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgpZ0fUixs

I haven't heard that song in many, many years. Thanks for that.

[Subnuts]

Sneak peak of tonight's debate.
http://i.giphy.com/Lh8wksWDbOJeE.gif

[Oberon]

Sneak peak of tonight's debate.
http://i.giphy.com/Lh8wksWDbOJeE.gif

Dayum, you are on point with these! :yeah: :haha::haha::haha::haha:

[August]

:haha:

The strange and perhaps a bit concerning matter is how little this recent event has actually bothered GOP voters, while most of their party elite are running for the hills they remain pretty steadfastly behind Trump. Seems party is coming before country. :hmmm:

Some recent event. A few decade old off the cuff comments versus Clintons lengthy track record of lying to the public, mishandling of classified documents, pay for play schemes, and extreme professional incompetence that among other things has cost Americans lives?

It seems to me that anyone who would vote for her is the one really putting party before country.

[Oberon]

Trump is sniffing well tonight, seems like someone has pulled out his batteries...clearly he has Jumping Frenchman Disorder, you can see by the way his left eye shines slightly differently in the light from his right eye.

[Takeda Shingen]

I always feel bad for the moderators, particularly in the Town Hall format. Not just this year either, but every election cycle. The more informal setting makes the job akin to keeping two kindergartners from jumping all over each other. It is funny to me that they have brought in two in this case to try and keep some semblance of order. In the end, however, the candidates to what they want to do regardless of the rules.

[eddie]

Trump is sniffing well tonight, seems like someone has pulled out his batteries...clearly he has Jumping Frenchman Disorder, you can see by the way his left eye shines slightly differently in the light from his right eye.

I thought I was the only one who saw that!:D

[Torplexed]

Trump is sniffing well tonight,

http://pyxis.homestead.com/18e4a7e3b49794915cacbce0eede15ee9e7fa564_1_690x345 .jpg

[Torplexed]

His body language is throwing me. He does the Instagram duck pout, shifts his feet and looks out over the crowd like Il Duce while she's speaking. When the camera has her speaking and him looking haughty it's a big tell.

[Oberon]

His body language is throwing me. He does the Instagram duck pout, shifts his feet and looks out over the crowd like Il Duce while she's speaking. When the camera has her speaking and him looking haughty it's a big tell.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuXqwDlWYAAyOS7.jpg

"Pussy radar scanning...preparing hand for deployment in five...four...three..."

[Torplexed]

Is Trump just exasperated or defending his privates?

http://pyxis.homestead.com/e731730a30a0ecd35e6bfac8f74d985e7238de16_1_690x407 .jpg

[Takeda Shingen]

What in the hell is he doing to that chair?

[Oberon]

We cannot allow a bomber gap!

http://www.geeksandbeats.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/waiting.gif

[Oberon]

I see Pence just got thrown under the bus. I expect that he'll be doing this soon if he has any sense...wonder who will replace him:

https://m.popkey.co/a4dd24/87jM6_s-200x150.gif

[Torplexed]

What in the hell is he doing to that chair?

Not sure if I wanna know. :O:

Okay. He just exclaimed "Bernie Sanders" in rant that had nothing to do with Bernie.

[Takeda Shingen]

Not sure if I wanna know. :O:

Okay. He just exclaimed "Bernie Sanders" in rant that had nothing to do with Bernie.

He certainly did. It would appear that The Donald did shockingly little prep for this debate as well. Given that nobody's been wanting to talk to him since falling apart this week and he's been holed up in Barad-dûr since that point it makes you wonder what he spent all that time doing.

[Torplexed]

He certainly did. It would appear that The Donald did shockingly little prep for this debate as well. Given that nobody's been wanting to talk to him since falling apart this week and he's been holed up in Barad-dûr since that point it makes you wonder what he spent all that time doing.

Well, if Trump did get lessons from a professional debate coach after the last one, I hope he kept the receipt. :)

[Takeda Shingen]

I see Pence just got thrown under the bus. I expect that he'll be doing this soon if he has any sense...wonder who will replace him:

https://m.popkey.co/a4dd24/87jM6_s-200x150.gif

Coming back to this, I wonder if this was retaliation for Pence's remarks on Friday. Probably a lot going on behind the scenes.

[Oberon]

I dunno, he definitely did better this time around, he didn't explode, he kept on message, kept hitting the points that his supporters like him to hit. Whether that'll be enough to keep Pence on board is questionable, he got thrown under the bus pretty hard there and there's rumours circulating that Pence has asked to be removed from the ticket, so we'll see. Perhaps Trump will make Bernie Sanders his VP candidate, he was certainly angling enough towards him tonight. :haha:

Coming back to this, I wonder if this was retaliation for Pence's remarks on Friday. Probably a lot going on behind the scenes.

Indeed, it seems as though his team is in a fairly large amount of chaos, makes you wonder what his presidential team would be like...


Also, threatening to put Hilary in jail if he wins?

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Vladimir-Putin-Clapping.gif

[razark]

He just exclaimed "Bernie Sanders" in rant that had nothing to do with Bernie.
I noticed he brought up Sanders several times. I take it as an attempt to drive a wedge between Clinton and the former Sanders supporters.

[Oberon]

I noticed he brought up Sanders several times. I take it as an attempt to drive a wedge between Clinton and the former Sanders supporters.

I think he's trying to grab the "Anyone but Hilary" crowd as much as he can.

[Torplexed]

I guess my takeaway from this debate is I found my original feelings just being reconfirmed.

Hillary is a mediocre traditional candidate who leaves me tepid at best.

Donald is a vulgar talking yam.

Election season 2020 can't come soon enough...assuming we survive to see it.

[Oberon]

Election season 2020 can't come soon enough...assuming we survive to see it.

Oh, America will survive in some form, I'm sure...but it won't be a nice form.
We're entering a dark era, I envy those who are getting out now.

[August]

there's rumours circulating that Pence has asked to be removed from the ticket

From the same people who started the rumors that Bill Weld would abandon the Libertarian ticket no doubt.

[Skybird]

I noticed he brought up Sanders several times. I take it as an attempt to drive a wedge between Clinton and the former Sanders supporters.
All political anlysis I read from here in Europe say that that gap is still there, is real, and is wide. He is much leftier than most of the other Democrats. Radically. Here in Germany he would probably not belong to the left wing of the "socialdemocratic" socialists, but the communist party "Die Linke".

[Georgemeister]

I guess my takeaway from this debate is I found my original feelings just being reconfirmed.

Hillary is a mediocre traditional candidate who leaves me tepid at best.

Donald is a vulgar talking yam.

Election season 2020 can't come soon enough...assuming we survive to see it.

Completely agree:\

[AVGWarhawk]

I guess my takeaway from this debate is I found my original feelings just being reconfirmed.

Hillary is a mediocre traditional candidate who leaves me tepid at best.

Donald is a vulgar talking yam.

Election season 2020 can't come soon enough...assuming we survive to see it.


Yes, Hillary is the portrait of decades of politics. She simply regurgitates the same crap we hear every 4 years. We are going to fix this and that. And my favorite."That is a good question. Thank you for your question." Then talk about anything but the answer to the question.

Trump is a businessman and debating is not something he does well at all. Never the less, he like Hillary, has no plan for the economy, ISIS or immigration. But it will be great according to Trump. :doh:

We are screwed.

[razark]

House Speaker Paul Ryan told fellow Republicans Monday he will no longer defend GOP nominee Donald Trump and will instead use the next 29 days to focus on preserving his party's hold on Congress.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/10/politics/paul-ryan-said-he-wont-defend-donald-trump

[Jimbuna]

I was wondering if things could get any worse....then I watched the second debate :nope:

[Méo]

I was wondering if things could get any worse....then I watched the second debate :nope:

lol :DL

and it's not over :hmm2:

[Oberon]

So, how accurate are those polls of yours over there? Right now I think Trump might be hoping that they are British accurate.

[Catfish]

It almost causes me physical pain to watch this debate between the two. I guess it is better i stay out of the discussion.
At least i have one post count more.

[Takeda Shingen]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/10/politics/paul-ryan-said-he-wont-defend-donald-trump

He has to. As the de-facto leader of the Republican Party it is going to fall on him to try and salvage the sinking ship that is the GOP. That would include cutting the presidential candidate loose, seeing as he's the one that keeps drilling holes in the hull.

[Jimbuna]

So, how accurate are those polls of yours over there? Right now I think Trump might be hoping that they are British accurate.

I see the 'experts' are saying Hillary won round two but trump was a closer second than in the first debate.

[Takeda Shingen]

Trump certainly did perform better this time around. That, of course, says very little. When the bar has been lowered to the point that "didn't urinate on the stage" is considered a victory then there may be a problem with campaign performance.

[STEED]

Trump has rocked the political world over there but clearly has now over rocked it now. He seems to come across as I don't give a hoot if I loose and damage the Republican party.

As for Clinton I do not trust her and find her as some one who cheats at poker.

[Betonov]

As for Clinton I do not trust her and find her as some one who cheats at poker.

By using drones to see your cards and then a helfire missile if you have a better deck

[Subnuts]

Another Republican unendorses Trump.
http://i.giphy.com/kvv77xiHRnfLG.gif

[Oberon]

http://i.imgur.com/dWUGwbX.gif

[eddie]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v138/Thony/14517510_10154711445454255_7674585379043171048_n_z psucx3uobu.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Thony/media/14517510_10154711445454255_7674585379043171048_n_z psucx3uobu.jpg.html)

[Betonov]

Another Republican unendorses Trump.
http://i.giphy.com/kvv77xiHRnfLG.gif

He did drown himself to save the ship (in the movie)

[mapuc]

He did drown himself to save the ship (in the movie)

Reading your answer made me wonder if....no wrong thought

That Trump in a very near future would say: I have made to many mistakes. I understand I have done to much harm to GOP, so I step down.

Markus

[Takeda Shingen]

Reading your answer made me wonder if....no wrong thought

That Trump in a very near future would say: I have made to many mistakes. I understand I have done to much harm to GOP, so I step down.

Markus

Turns out he can't. Early voting has already started. Trump will have to see this thing through to the bitter end.

[Platapus]

Both Candidates represent the worst this country can offer.

It has been a race to the bottom of the barrel.

Such an embarrassment.

[mapuc]

Turns out he can't. Early voting has already started. Trump will have to see this thing through to the bitter end.

I know that's why I wrote "wrong thought"

As you clearly stated the early voting has started and he herself has said he won't step down

I do remember someone here wrote he was convinced the day after he has been elected he would step down or something like that I can't remember exact phrase.

Markus

[Schroeder]

Both Candidates represent the worst this country can offer.

It has been a race to the bottom of the barrel.

Such an embarrassment.
Makes you wonder whether the whole two party system doesn't need a restart with some more parties.... On the other hand we're pretty much in the same situation over here and have 4 parties in parliament. There is Merkel and no one else to be seen...:/\\!!

[August]

I do remember someone here wrote he was convinced the day after he has been elected he would step down or something like that I can't remember exact phrase.

That's not likely to happen but it is theoretically possible.

[eddie]

They go on and on about Clinton's emails, but the fact is that President Bush, between the years 2003 and 2009 had a private email server run by the RNC!!
When they were asked to provide these emails, they said they lost them, All 22 million of them!:haha: They said they lost them when they were trying to move them to another server to be archived. They did manage to save 6,000 of them though, I imagine they were cheery picked too! Cheney was supposed to archive his, but they are completely gone:hmmm: Wonder if anyone just happened to mention this to that idiot Trump!?!

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/george-w-bush-white-house-lost-22-million-emails-497373.html

[August]

They go on and on about Clinton's emails, but the fact is that President Bush, between the years 2003 and 2009 had a private email server run by the RNC!!
When they were asked to provide these emails, they said they lost them, All 22 million of them!:haha: They said they lost them when they were trying to move them to another server to be archived. They did manage to save 6,000 of them though, I imagine they were cheery picked too! Cheney was supposed to archive his, but they are completely gone:hmmm: Wonder if anyone just happened to mention this to that idiot Trump!?!

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/george-w-bush-white-house-lost-22-million-emails-497373.html

Too bad that Bush isn't running for office because then this might actually be relevant.

[mapuc]

I would never call a person or a politicians what Trump just has been accused of.

And it's not the Politicians you should "engage" its their supporter without them they wouldn't be where they are today.

Try to convince Trump's supporters that he is not the answer to USA's problems or convince Clinton's supporters

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

I do remember someone here wrote he was convinced the day after he has been elected he would step down or something like that I can't remember exact phrase.

Markus


Good. Pence can run the show.

[Oberon]

I think most people would rather have Bo and Sunny than the two major contenders.

[Subnuts]

Trump successfully evades another direct question.
http://i.giphy.com/Kb1aWEBdNdHt6.gif

(sorry, these are too much fun to make.)

[Sailor Steve]

Too bad that Bush isn't running for office because then this might actually be relevant.
It's not the relevance of the candidate that matters in cases like this, but the two-faced attitudes of the accusers. it only matters when it's the other guys' candidate that did it. It's dishonest, plain and simple.

[AVGWarhawk]

It's not the relevance of the candidate that matters in cases like this, but the two-faced attitudes of the accusers. it only matters when it's the other guys' candidate that did it. It's dishonest, plain and simple.

Agreed 100%.

[Onkel Neal]

It's not the relevance of the candidate that matters in cases like this, but the two-faced attitudes of the accusers. it only matters when it's the other guys' candidate that did it. It's dishonest, plain and simple.


Wow. Yeah, that's on the mark.

Anyway, it's academic. The orange Trump balloon is going down in flames. There was never enough support of him in the electorate to win, even over Hillary.

[AVGWarhawk]

The orange Trump balloon is going down in flames.

As well as the country no matter who ends up at PA Ave.

[Oberon]

It's alright, GodLikeProductions has sorted it all out:

“There is now a 90% probability that the elections will be postponed.”

I asked my contact in DC why? His answer was:

“You can’t have an election with one candidate”
I asked him which one will be removed. His reply was:

“I am not allowed to tell you, let’s just say that Obama will make the announcement very soon.”

The Pentagon sources, for their part, say “The 911 law will push Saudi Arabia to expose Israel, Bandar bin Sultan and the Bush cabal behind 911 and will lead to a real truth commission and a war crimes tribunal.”

Since it is only a few weeks before the election, it will not be long before we see if these predictions come to pass.

In any case, the data dump of over one million documents revealing the extensive crimes of the Clinton Foundation make it clear there is a powerful faction within the military industrial complex that is fighting to overthrow the Khazarian mafia. That is because such a data dump cannot be carried out by individual hackers and requires a governmental organization with access to high level computer systems. At the same time, the fact the corporate media and net giants like Google are censoring this data makes it clear the owners of the big corporations

(Bush/Clinton/Rockefeller/Rothschild etc.) are in battle against white hats in the military and the agencies.

No matter what though, the Khazarians are not going be able to murder themselves out of trouble this time because too many people are now aware of them and their crimes. That does not mean they will not try though.

Bill Clinton, who is close to death from HIV, recently issued a death threat against this writer and Neil Keenan. The signs are that Neil Keenan has already been murdered. Although he used contact this writer regularly on Skype, the current person pretending to be Neil Keenan on Skype is unable to answer a simple question that only the real Neil would know the answer too. Furthermore, the Neil Keenan website is now promoting Bush/Clinton mafia con jobs like the Zimbabwe currency scam. Revenge for Keenan’s death will be comprehensive and thorough, White Dragon Society sources promise.

:doh:

[August]

It's not the relevance of the candidate that matters in cases like this, but the two-faced attitudes of the accusers. it only matters when it's the other guys' candidate that did it. It's dishonest, plain and simple.

So any crime at all can be excused as long as somebody else committed a similar crime at some point in recorded history or is Teflon Clinton just "special" in your eyes.

Personally I don't care what anyone else did. The only thing that matters are the actions of the person now running for office, because it is that person who we need to make a decision about. If you want to bring Bush and Cheney up on charges for stuff that happened a decade ago then more power to you but to try and use it to mitigate/deflect Clintons far more recent actions is really dishonest.

[mapuc]

It's not only you American that have those verbal fights over which candidate is the best or none of them.

I have seen here in my Country people using bad words against each others when they have debated the Presidential candidate in USA.

Earlier today I read a friend saying that he understood those Americans who are going to stay home on the election day-Some hours later some had called him things-so it's not just you Americans that have these verbal struggles.

Markus

[Skybird]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzcjexXZ6yg

Greetings to the Netherlands. :Kaleun_Cheers:

[Torplexed]

A state-owned Russian propaganda site publishes for a short time a misattributed quote about Clinton and Benghazi. On the very same day the article comes out, Trump makes the exact same misattribution in a rally.

http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-sidney-blumenthal-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-benghazi-sputnik-508635

Trump. The Manchurian Buffoon? :hmmm:

[Wolferz]

Yellow journalism at its best!

[Wolferz]

That way nobody can accuse me of helping to elect either a giant douche or a turd sandwich.:arrgh!:

Pity that there won't be a selection marked: NONE of THE ABOVE!

[Jimbuna]

That way nobody can accuse me of helping to elect either a giant douche or a turd sandwich.:arrgh!:

Pity that there won't be a selection marked: NONE of THE ABOVE!

Simply give thanks the US doesn't have mandatory voting.

[Mr Quatro]

I would like to add something to this discussion that leads me to believe that Donald Trump is not all bad.

I heard a rumor that Donald Trump doesn't drink ... so I looked it up: https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=does%20trump%20drink%20alcohol

When asked about his brother Fred, who died many years ago, Trump said he was “devastated” by it. “He had it all,” Trump said, but then he started drinking alcohol. “And he always said to me, 'Don't ever, ever drink, Donald,' and I'll tell you what, I've never had a glass of alcohol.”May 18, 2016

[AVGWarhawk]

Pity that there won't be a selection marked: NONE of THE ABOVE!

Write it in. :up:

[u crank]

I would like to add something to this discussion that leads me to believe that Donald Trump is not all bad.

I heard a rumor that Donald Trump doesn't drink ..

:o

Adolf Hitler didn't drink. But I drink. In fact I'm drinking right now. What does all this mean?:D

[Oberon]

You know, back when this all started there was a theory that was floated that Donald Trump was a 'stalking horse' for Hilary, that he was put into the Republican candidancy race in order to screw things up for the GOP and hand victory to Hilary, and if that's the case then he's done that fairly well so far.
However, if this was a plot by Hilary, then you really need to elect her President, because that's top level Machiavellian stuff, which puts Putin to shame. I mean he outright kills or arrests his enemies, but to use their own weakness against them, to give them the rope to hang themselves with and let them do it...that's a person you want on your side in a geo-political chess game.
Think about it, if Trump was a Democratic plant, the Democrats didn't elect him as representative for the Republican party, the GOP did all that, the Dems didn't push Republican members to align behind Trump, the GOP did all that, and now they're backpedalling as fast as they can and are basically trying to salvage the situation so that they can at least have control of Congress or the House.
If, as the theory goes, that this was all according to plan...then I tip my hat, because that was one hell of a plan.

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/239/JUST_AS_PLANNED.jpg

[Platapus]

That way nobody can accuse me of helping to elect either a giant douche or a turd sandwich.:arrgh!:

Pity that there won't be a selection marked: NONE of THE ABOVE!


Technically, there is. It is called casting a Null ballot and the number of Null ballots do get reported to the parties.

Not voting means you don't care. Casting a null ballot means you cared enough to go to the polls to vote, but don't like any of the candidates.

[Skybird]

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-women-are-defeating-donald-trump/

[August]

...Democrats didn't elect him as representative for the Republican party, the GOP did all that, the Dems didn't push Republican members to align behind Trump,

Actually there is evidence that the media made a concerted effort to help the least electable GOP candidate to win the nomination:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/06/24/a-deep-dive-into-the-news-medias-role-in-the-rise-of-donald-j-trump/

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-raimondo-trump-media-bias-20160802-snap-story.html

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/01/pat-caddell-pro-clinton-media-bias-terrifying-crisis-democracy/

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/voters_see_more_anti_trump_pro_hillary_bias_in_med ia

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/janet-tavakoli/was-the-first-presidentia_b_12374816.html

[Oberon]

So...the people campaigning against the 'lamestream media' were coerced by the mainstream media to vote for a candidate which would ruin their own party.

This does not inspire confidence in the intelligence of these people....

[August]

So...the people campaigning against the 'lamestream media' were coerced by the mainstream media to vote for a candidate which would ruin their own party.

This does not inspire confidence in the intelligence of these people....

Yeah Brexit right back at ya Pal. :up:

The power modern mass media has to shape public opinion is not something to take lightly.

[Torplexed]

If, as the theory goes, that this was all according to plan...then I tip my hat, because that was one hell of a plan.



And if he loses the election and continues to wail, flail, complain and eventually carves off a corner of the GOP base to form his own Trumpkin party which forever fractures the conservative vote then you it was a reeeal deep operation. :O:

However, the longer it goes on the less likely it's a conspiracy given the human inability to just sit on a juicy secret forever.

[AVGWarhawk]

:o

Adolf Hitler didn't drink. But I drink. In fact I'm drinking right now. What does all this mean?:D

You are thirsty.

[Oberon]

http://i.imgur.com/75kSMP2.jpg

[Platapus]

She is better than anything running now. She's got my vote. but I would have to see her birth certificate first.

[Torplexed]

She is better than anything running now. She's got my vote. but I would have to see her birth certificate first.

Hey Platapus, is your refrigerator running? If it is, it's got my vote this year.:-?

[Rockstar]

http://i.imgur.com/75kSMP2.jpg


:Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:

[Onkel Neal]

My nose is running. Vote for my nose.

[Buddahaid]

Hey August, I got my absentee ballot today. How much to buy my vote?

[August]

Hey August, I got my absentee ballot today. How much to buy my vote?

How about the satisfaction that you aren't helping to elect a criminal to the presidency?

[Buddahaid]

How about the satisfaction that you aren't helping to elect a criminal to the presidency?

Which one, aren't they all?

[AVGWarhawk]

My nose is running. Vote for my nose.

The entire ordeal is giving me the runs. :oops:

[Sailor Steve]

Well, I'm certainly not voting for you then. :O:

[Oberon]

Well, I'm certainly not voting for you then. :O:

Surely his policy can't be that much worse than some policies that have trickled out from Washington? :O:

[Buddahaid]

Surely his policy can't be that much worse than some policies that have trickled out from Washington? :O:

But what about trickle down economics? Oh never mind, it amounts to the same thing.

[AVGWarhawk]

Well, I'm certainly not voting for you then. :O:

I can not blame you. Steve, I really have not seen anything like this in the history books. This campaign is completely insane and no better than a crap filled reality show where bickering and fighting for an hour is considered entertainment.

[Oberon]

http://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/attachments/washington-jpg.290831/

[Onkel Neal]

Well, I'm certainly not voting for you then. :O:

It's better than either candidate ... :doh:

I'm watching Obama giving a speech now, he's destroying the orange buffoon. "Come on, man!"

[em2nought]

http://i.imgur.com/75kSMP2.jpgYou'd have been better off choosing King Bhumibol, at least he's presided over seventy years of growth. America could certainly use a sufficiency type of guy.

[Oberon]

You'd have been better off choosing King Bhumibol, at least he's presided over seventy years of growth. America could certainly use a sufficiency type of guy.


Seventy years of coups too. :haha:

[AVGWarhawk]

It's better than either candidate ... :doh:

I'm watching Obama giving a speech now, he's destroying the orange buffoon. "Come on, man!"

Obama is the last person who should be stating ,"Come on, man". The guy blatantly lied concerning the details of the Affordable Healthcare Act. Keep your doctor. Premiums lower. All false. This law affected millions negatively. The Affordable Healthcare Act is no longer affordable. Bengahzi...claimed it was some shady characters that posted a negative video about Islam. People got out of control as a result. Truth be told it was a coordinated 9/11 attack. He attempted to cover up and shield Ambassador Rice who was also feeding misinformation. BO manure smells just as bad as the lot of them.

Maybe BO should be focusing on Obamacare and how to stop it from failing. NAH...that is someone else problem. Instead he will spend time campaigning for Hillary. NOT what he was put in office for.

[em2nought]

Seventy years of coups too. :haha:

The USA could use a good Coup d'état, it's well past due. :03:

[AVGWarhawk]

Not unproven by Snopes but here it is in all it's glory. Looks like BO is posing with something standing at attention. You be the judge. :doh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzgEQDYDEic

This campaign is getting more flabbergasting by the minute. I need a bucket of popcorn.

[eddie]

Going to have a coup, then make sure you take out this dork, and Ryan too! Presided over the biggest do nothing Congress ever recorded! Geez, I wonder why,lol

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v138/Thony/McConnell_zpsfwk56bni.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Thony/media/McConnell_zpsfwk56bni.jpg.html)

[Buddahaid]

Gawd! California has seventeen propositions on the ballot and I'm curious how many other states have. Just the number of them makes me want to vote no on all of them.

[Torplexed]

Gawd! California has seventeen propositions on the ballot and I'm curious how many other states have. Just the number of them makes me want to vote no on all of them.

There are nine measures on the Washington state ballot, six initiatives and three advisory votes. All in densely packed, eye-watering print only a lawyer can decipher.

[Schroeder]

The USA could use a good Coup d'état, it's well past due. :03:
With either of those two clowns you'll be lucky to get a coup de grace.:-?

[Rockstar]

Me thinks there's three. While the rest of the world is focused on which candidate might do this or may do that. The third, who a got a Nobel Peace Prize just for showing up like it was some kind of door prize seems to be escalating tensions between nations wanting to once again unleash freedom and democracy by drone strike in Syria.

[August]

Gawd! California has seventeen propositions on the ballot and I'm curious how many other states have. Just the number of them makes me want to vote no on all of them.

Massachusetts has four this year. A second slots parlor, more charter schools, mandating free range chickens and legalizing recreational marijuana.

[Oberon]

Me thinks there's three. While the rest of the world is focused on which candidate might do this or may do that. The third, who a got a Nobel Peace Prize just for showing up like it was some kind of door prize seems to be escalating tensions between nations wanting to once again unleash freedom and democracy by drone strike in Syria.

He's trying to do you a favour, if he can get a nuclear exchange before November 8th then you won't have to live under 'Hitlery' will you? :salute:

[Platapus]

Gawd! California has seventeen propositions on the ballot and I'm curious how many other states have. Just the number of them makes me want to vote no on all of them.


If you prefer, I am sure the elected officials would be glad to make those decisions for you.

I don't think that is what you want.


Are you really complaining that you are being asked to vote on too many issues???

[Oberon]

It's ok everyone, Trump has figured it out, the election is being rigged by Mexicans, Muslims, Hillary, Obama, Women, Democrats, Republicans, Jews, George Soros, Cthulhu [Delete as Appropriate] and so when he loses everyone will rise up and overthrow the government.

It's all good. :Kaleun_Wink:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cu0IQ_OXgAAxn9h.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cu0QbZPWIAAvl1l.jpg:large



Obama...hurry up with those nukes, will ya?

[Buddahaid]

If you prefer, I am sure the elected officials would be glad to make those decisions for you.

I don't think that is what you want.


Are you really complaining that you are being asked to vote on too many issues???

Important issues like requiring porn films to use condoms and producers to pay for testing, and bans on plastic bags, yes.

[Takeda Shingen]

It's ok everyone, Trump has figured it out, the election is being rigged by Mexicans, Muslims, Hillary, Obama, Women, Democrats, Republicans, Jews, George Soros, Cthulhu [Delete as Appropriate] and so when he loses everyone will rise up and overthrow the government.

It's all good. :Kaleun_Wink:

<pic snip>

Obama...hurry up with those nukes, will ya?

"Speak American". Priceless. :har:

Well, the wingnuts all said the same thing when Obama was about to be elected, so it appear to be action replay. I wonder if Texas will talk about seceding again. In any case, it would appear that the "stall out Obama" strategy for the Supreme Court has met with predictable failure. Now Hillary Clinton can pick the new justice. I'm sure they'll find that much more palatable. :haha:

[Takeda Shingen]

In slightly related news it would appear that the heirs of the late Joey Vento, former owner of Geno's Steaks and perennial darling of the far right, have finally decided to remove the must-speak-English sign from their establishment. It would appear that the current management didn't find aligning themselves with the policies of the Republican nominee or waiving off potential business on ethnic and racial lines was a good idea. Thumbs up to them. :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/philadelphia-cheesesteak-stand-removes-controversial-sign/

Pat's still makes better steaks.

[Torplexed]

It's ok everyone, Trump has figured it out, the election is being rigged by Mexicans, Muslims, Hillary, Obama, Women, Democrats, Republicans, Jews, George Soros, Cthulhu [Delete as Appropriate] and so when he loses everyone will rise up and overthrow the government.

It's all good. :Kaleun_Wink:
Obama...hurry up with those nukes, will ya?

Since his recent plunge in the polls, Trump has become even more strident and outspoken in his claims of a pending rigged election. At the very least, we can expect many instances of self-deputized Trumpniks staking out voting places to help uncover the "armies of illegals", being sent over the border to vote for Clinton.

When Clinton wins, I fear we may have a ugly backlash in the making. However, if Trump wins it could be even uglier in the long run.

In Washington state, we vote by mail, so no polling places to stake out. Which has brought the charge from some of more deranged corners of the internet that all such votes are automatically fraudulent.

[Oberon]

When Clinton wins, I fear we may have a ugly backlash in the making.

I fear you may be right, a lot of it will depend on how Trump reacts to his defeat, presuming of course that he is defeated. Could certainly see some ugly backlash.
After that, well, what next for the GOP? :hmmm: Can they get their overzealous far right under control so that they can actually field an electable candidate for the next election? Or will they split?

[Torplexed]

I fear you may be right, a lot of it will depend on how Trump reacts to his defeat, presuming of course that he is defeated. Could certainly see some ugly backlash.
After that, well, what next for the GOP? :hmmm: Can they get their overzealous far right under control so that they can actually field an electable candidate for the next election? Or will they split?

The Republicans are in an awkward position now. They primed their voter base election cycle after election cycle to be contemptuous of government and to be suspicious of authority, which admittedly is a strange thing for a political party whose very rationale for existence is rooted in the concept of governmental authority to do. The GOP created a Frankenstein, but the Frankenstein isn’t Trump. The Frankenstein is the GOP’s base. Trump is the guy who stole their creation from them, took it on a joyride and might decide when this is over to keep it.

Trump was never about being a Republican. He was just looking to expand his brand. As it turns out, like apparently so many things Trump does, he’s done a terrible job of it. The Trump brand, formerly merely associated with gaudiness and bankruptcy, is now synonymous with white nationalism, sexual battery and the daily denial of reality. But I predict he'll keep his dedicated followers all the same. The ironic thing is if the GOP had succeeded in nominating a more low-energy candidate, they would probably be in a winning position right now with the Wikileaks releases.

[mapuc]

I can very well imagine that many people, who feel an obligation to do their democratic duty, will stand in the "voting box" and cry, because they will do their duty, but none of these two candidate is worth a vote.

Markus

[Oberon]

Honestly in that case, I'd be tempted to draw an angry face or vote for Queen Elizabeth or something, unless you want to vote against a candidate which is what I suspect most voters will be doing.

[Tchocky]

Hello all. Been a while.

For all this Trump talk of a rigged election, and your consequent worry about backlash, think of it this way.

He does not follow through on his rhetoric. It's part of what makes him a bad candidate. His supporters are the same. Sound and fury signifying little, if anything. He'll complain and whine but that can be safely ignored. Supporters talking up a big game about rigging and consequences thereof haven't the guts to put skin behind their tweets.



I wouldn't worry. Vocal Trump supporters might kick off in the media but I doubt this will last longer than a fart in the Hebrides.

Peace.

[August]

When Clinton wins, I fear we may have a ugly backlash in the making. However, if Trump wins it could be even uglier in the long run.

I begin to hope so. Regardless of which one wins I believe that the schism in this country is no longer repairable. It is only going to get bigger and the longer the reckoning is postponed the more destructive it will be.

[Tchocky]

You might be correct August, but the schism you describe affects a shrinking portion of the country. Shrinking in influence and capability, to the point where their influence approximates to their relative size.

It's a correction, I think.

[Oberon]

I begin to hope so. Regardless of which one wins I believe that the schism in this country is no longer repairable. It is only going to get bigger and the longer the reckoning is postponed the more destructive it will be.

Do you think that once this outpouring of...whatever form it takes...has run its course, say for example after the election, that America will be able to move on from it? It doesn't strike me that this is something that's just going to go away, even if a load of angry people burn a city down, it might reduce the tension, like an earthquake does on a faultline, but that faultline is still going to be there and that energy will build up again.

I get where you're coming from, and if it's going to come out, it's probably best now as a few riots than later as a civil war, but the underlying problems I don't think can be fixed in any manner or form.



Oh, and good to have you back Tchocky! :up:

[Mr Quatro]

The Democrats will win their election!

I don't like it, but I've just received a word from the Lord that the Democrats will win the next election.

The exact word of knowledge was simply this: "The democrats will win their election, but then comes the knife".

I don't like to add anything when the Lord gives these words of knowledge. I'm no prophet ... just a normal nobody.

I wonder what that means though, "Then comes the knife"?

A knife can cut things apart ... a knife in the back perhaps?

Some revelation that would've kept her from being elected, perhaps?

Does this mean Hillary won't be partaking in the inauguration Friday, January 20th, 2017?

If it is about Hillary's health ... Trump couldn't do anything about it that's for sure even if he took it to the supreme court.

I have had these words in the past ... not all the time, but they have always been right so far.

I am not into any vain glory. You can make fun of me if you want to ... I know it is opening me up to ridicule. Time will tell ... :yep:

Sort of sad in a way ... I thought Donald Trump still had a chance.

[Torplexed]

If you look back four years at the eruption of tweets by Trump after Mitt Romney's defeat in 2012, you do see a lot of heated rhetoric. It proved to be empty rhetoric at the time, but if it's his personal defeat in this election I imagine the Trumptrum level will intensify. But like before it could just be a lot of sound and fury signifying Trump has left the building.

http://pyxis.homestead.com/7CRmdl5.jpg.jpg

[Torplexed]

Sort of sad in a way ... I thought Donald Trump still had a chance.

If Hillary keels over in an even more dramatic fashion than she did at the 9-11 remembrance, he certainly could make a major comeback.

[August]

You might be correct August, but the schism you describe affects a shrinking portion of the country. Shrinking in influence and capability, to the point where their influence approximates to their relative size.

It's a correction, I think.

Well I think you underestimate the breath of the disaffection. There are a lot of people unhappy with the direction the country is taking and according to nearly every poll they number pretty consistently in the 70-80% range. That is not a shrinking portion.

Although the corporate media would have you think otherwise this isn't just a few good old white boys unhappy that they lost their blue collar jobs at the factory. If it were then Clinton would be leading by 30 points instead of the near tie that it continues to be.

[eddie]

Might try checking on this punk group of clowns in Congress too, instead of blaming it on whomever is President. They don't work together for the good of the country. Its all partisanship BS! The hell with all of them on Capitol Hill, they all suck!

[Mr Quatro]

What or who was the last all DNC or GOP from President to majority in the House and in the Senate?

President Johnson perhaps?

[eddie]

Its the same nonsense of partisanship that has been going on for decades, doesn't matter who has the majority!

[Buddahaid]

Yep. It's always been easier to point your finger at somebody else than look long and hard into the mirror.

[August]

What or who was the last all DNC or GOP from President to majority in the House and in the Senate?

President Johnson perhaps?

First half of Obamas first term the Dems controlled both the White House and Congress. That's what got us the so called Affordable Care Act passed on strict party lines.

[Platapus]

Speak American?

Le Facepalm

[Oberon]

What or who was the last all DNC or GOP from President to majority in the House and in the Senate?

President Johnson perhaps?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/Combined--Control_of_the_U.S._House_of_Representatives_-_Control_of_the_U.S._Senate.png

[Buddahaid]

Nice chart. Interesting that Democrats have the upper hand during the major war years.

[Oberon]

Nice chart. Interesting that Democrats have the upper hand during the major war years.

Aye, Wilson and FDR...I wonder how things would have turned out how Wilson stuck to his initial plans for the Paris Peace Conference with 'Peace without Victory' and the Fourteen Points...probably not a lot since there was a lot of bad blood around then. :hmmm:

[Rockstar]

"Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. But where do the people think these politicians come from?

They don't fall out of the sky.

They don't pass through a membrane from another reality.

They come from american parents and american families, american homes, american schools, american churches, american businesses and american universities.

and they're elected by american citizens.

This is the best we can do, folks.

This is what we have to offer.

It's what our system produces:

Garbage in, garbage out!

If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you are gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.

The term limits ain't goinna do any good; you're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans.

So maybe, maybe, maybe it's not the politicians who suck.

Maybe something else sucks around here.

Like... the public."

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0YRkT1z3z8M/USXcvnEacEI/AAAAAAAAAhE/JCPVO_csCBk/s1600/george+carlin.jpeg

George Carlin

[STEED]

So Trump is a sex maniac and Clinton is a money maniac and both are unfit for office.

Can it get any lower? Some say yes at the last debate, we shall see. :hmmm:

[August]

CNN claims it is illegal to read Wikileaks

CNN’s Chris Cuomo told viewers it is illegal for them to possess emails leaked by the website WikiLeaks, and as a result they could not read them and had to rely entirely on the media to learn about their content.


Cuomo’s comments were made early Wednesday morning, but they attracted no attention until a clip was uploaded to YouTube Sunday morning.


In the clip, Cuomo opens a segment on leaked emails from Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s inbox by warning viewers they have to get all their information about the emails from the media, and nowhere else. If they try to check out the emails themselves, Cuomo warns, they’re breaking the law. “Also interesting is, remember, it’s illegal to possess these stolen documents,” Cuomo says. “It’s different for the media, so everything you’re learning about this, you’re learning from us.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/16/cnn-host-claims-its-illegal-for-public-to-view-wikileaks-emails-video/#ixzz4NLWMwTeM

Yeah no bias here...

[AVGWarhawk]

If Hillary keels over in an even more dramatic fashion than she did at the 9-11 remembrance, he certainly could make a major comeback.

I do suspect something is physically wrong with Hillary.


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/16/cnn-host-claims-its-illegal-for-public-to-view-wikileaks-emails-video/#ixzz4NLWMwTeM

Yeah no bias here...


Does not surprise me. The media has already maee the emails back page news. Sex, lies and audiotape for Trump is far more interesting than lies, collusion and more damning emails to come.

[Tchocky]

Yeah there's a huge media coverup to avoid talking about the emails.

Christ.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-mcmanus-wikileaks-clinton-revelations-20161016-snap-story.html

http://www.wsj.com/articles/missing-from-hacked-emails-clinton-herself-1476662725

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/17/us/politics/hillary-clinton-was-open-to-covert-action-abroad-hacked-transcript-shows.html?ref=todayspaper&_r=0

It is possible to talk about 2 things at once.

Never mind a CNN presenter who happened to be an idiot.

[Onkel Neal]

"Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. But where do the people think these politicians come from?

They don't fall out of the sky.

They don't pass through a membrane from another reality.

They come from american parents and american families, american homes, american schools, american churches, american businesses and american universities.

and they're elected by american citizens.

This is the best we can do, folks.

This is what we have to offer.

It's what our system produces:

Garbage in, garbage out!

If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you are gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.

The term limits ain't goinna do any good; you're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans.

So maybe, maybe, maybe it's not the politicians who suck.

Maybe something else sucks around here.

Like... the public."

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0YRkT1z3z8M/USXcvnEacEI/AAAAAAAAAhE/JCPVO_csCBk/s1600/george+carlin.jpeg

George Carlin

That's exactly right. Politicians are no better than the people who support/tolerate them.

[Rockstar]

Not to offend or single anyone or idea out. But we only need look at this thread, and certain others, and see that politicians are in no way any different than us.

[AVGWarhawk]

Not to offend or single anyone or idea out. But we only need look at this thread, and certain others, and see that politicians are in no way any different than us.

Just a big old baskets of deplorables and animals. :har:

[Mr Quatro]

Yes, we are a bit like that Rockstar, but with a difference.

Together (meaning subsim) we could solve all the problems of the world.

Breaking news:https://www.yahoo.com/news/wikileaks-assanges-internet-severed-state-092922024.html?ref=gs

PARIS (AP) — WikiLeaks says that founder Julian Assange's internet access has been cut by an unidentified state actor. Few other details were immediately available.

Assange has been up holed up at the Ecuadorean Embassy in London for more than four years after skipping bail to avoid being extradited over sex crimes allegations.

The cramped quarters haven't prevented the Australian transparency activist from working and WikiLeaks continues to deliver scoops, including revelations that have rattled Hillary Clinton's campaign for president as the U.S. election enters its final stretch.

Calls, texts and emails left with WikiLeaks weren't immediately returned Monday. A woman who picked up the phone at the embassy said: "I cannot disclose any information." An email to Ecuador's ambassador wasn't immediately answered. London's Metropolitan Police declined comment.

[Rockstar]

Yes, we are a bit like that Rockstar, but with a difference.

Together (meaning subsim) we could solve all the problems of the world.

Breaking news:https://www.yahoo.com/news/wikileaks-assanges-internet-severed-state-092922024.html?ref=gs

No we wouldn't as I would do everything in my power to discredit your ideas and substitute them with mine. :)

[Mr Quatro]

I would build a wall around your proposal's and it would have a beautiful gate :yep:

[AVGWarhawk]

I would build a wall around your proposal's and it would have a beautiful gate :yep:

Mexico will pay for it.

[Rockstar]

Mexico will pay for it.

Just try it and I'll unleash a freedom and democracy flag waving campaign to convince the public we should go to war against you and your wall of intolerance.

[Platapus]

That's exactly right. Politicians are no better than the people who support/tolerate them.


That's why it is strange that congress has an approval rate of under 20% but each member of congress has an approval rate of over 90%

You see, it is YOUR representative that sucks, Mine is pretty good. That's why they have about a 90% chance of being re-elected. :doh:

[AVGWarhawk]

Just try it and I'll unleash a freedom and democracy flag waving campaign to convince the public we should go to war against you and your wall of intolerance.

No deals. No deals.

[Takeda Shingen]

On to more important matters.

http://qz.com/575952/a-hairdresser-explains-why-donald-trumps-hair-looks-like-that/

So, evidently the hair is indeed real, and that the "aggressive cowlick" style is not the problem but rather the shade of the dye used. Interesting analysis.