[WIP] Japanese Campaign

[keltos01]

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/8702/gunscopy.jpg (http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gunscopy.jpg)


man, I can't wait for this to come out so I can do the textures :D

well ;)

when you are finished with the Narwhal I guess all our boats are next in line !!!! :D:wah:

thanks

keltos

[gord96]

hehe. this is the only thing keeping Silent Hunter 4 on my hard drive. Cant wait to try it out! :)

[keltos01]

hehe. this is the only thing keeping Silent Hunter 4 on my hard drive. Cant wait to try it out! :)

It's coming, it's coming ;)

I already have been testing parts of it for a few months now.. :D

there are many surprises compared to other mods, and some recent additions thanks to Maddy too !

I can't wait either to try the first beta !


finally my boats will have a righful campaign !

@sledgehammer : you can start on the textures right now, I'll pm you the Jyunsen B version 3.9 mod :)


keltos

[Bubblehead1980]

I really can't wait for this to come out. Find out how tough Allied ASW in the PTO in SH is.

Keltos, the picture in your sig, of the submarine being split in two from a torpedo impact, which sub is that? Kind of looks like a US sub.

[keltos01]

I really can't wait for this to come out. Find out how tough Allied ASW in the PTO in SH is.

Keltos, the picture in your sig, of the submarine being split in two from a torpedo impact, which sub is that? Kind of looks like a US sub.

USS Devilfish :arrgh!:

keltos

[Sledgehammer427]

yup, torpedo tests were conducted in the late 60's to see how the new torps would perform against another sub. Obviously this test had its intended effect

[Bubblehead1980]

Obviously the tests were successful, cool pic.

[keltos01]

Obviously the tests were successful, cool pic.


Yeah I like it ;)

fitting pic for a I-Boat builder !

keltos

[CaptainMattJ.]

Oh come on man! get it Done! SHOW ME THE BETAAAAAAAAAAA

[keltos01]

Oh come on man! get it Done! SHOW ME THE BETAAAAAAAAAAA
:har::har::har:

If you go to my FF page, you might find a couple versions of the Jyunsen B submarine mod, maybe even recent ones ! :o

as for the BETAAAAAAA, it's Peabody's ballpark [edit] our ball park but I mean I can't do the stuff he does and which to me is the heart of it all : the campaign layers. no disrespect intended, he does a great job with what time he has


keltos

[keltos01]

=Polyfiller : Keltos ... this actually has just re-trigerred my motivation to help you - I've had a similar problem on some of the TSWSM zones - rpaired but still flooding....

I'll maybe do some testing over the weekend. I still have some troubles with the way the damage model is behaving, although it is really the same as the Fleet Boat Damage model, our boats get sunk more easily. way too easily...

I'll try a new way using fleetboat zones like Observer did for the UBoot Damage Mod if Polyfiller can't help.

keltos

[keltos01]

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6425/kdibdm.jpg (http://img225.imageshack.us/i/kdibdm.jpg/)

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/6425/kdibdm.jpg (http://img183.imageshack.us/i/kdibdm.jpg/)

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/2218/kdibdmv.jpg (http://img183.imageshack.us/i/kdibdmv.jpg/)

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/6425/kdibdm.jpg (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/kdibdm.jpg/)


I switched the uboot zones for fleet boat zones, it helps, but still we have weak rudder and propeller shafts and the stern torpedo room floods (too) easily to my taste. But now at least they repair the damage !

but then again, I-Boats were of inferior quality compared to Fleet Boats and even those got sunk from dc...

keltos

[CaptainMattJ.]

how fast can she go? how many torp tubes does she have? and whats her crush depth?

[Bubblehead1980]

As someone who will definitely play the IJN mod, I will tell you that I won't mind if the boats are a bit delicate, more so than fleet boats esp since as you stated below, they were of inferior quality compared to fleet boats.However, some were reasonably sturdy, I remember reading about one surfacing after a DC attack by US DD's and it had a depth charge stuck in the deck...crazy.Finding a good balance will prob be the key here.If the boat is highly prone to rudder and engine damage...may want to talk to ducimus about how he solved that problem in TMO 1.7.

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

In many ways the IJN submarines were indeed strong and superior ..and much effort was put into creating a large and versatile force. But the submarine force suffered from two major problems: one was mechanical and one was strategic. Many of the power plants were somewhat old fashioned and problematic. Some of the large boats had a major problem in surfacing and submerging. Changes between Desiel and electric required a mechanical change in drive chain that severly limited the speed of these essential manuvers for a subsurface craft.

And the major problem was Fleet command saw and continued to see to the very end of the war the submarine force's main task as being support of the surface fleet. they never set up a strong and aggresive campaign against merchant shipping or really used the qualities of the fine boats that the IJN had including the 17 seaplane carriers in the sub force.

Sad for them but lucky for the allies.

[keltos01]

how fast can she go? how many torp tubes does she have? and whats her crush depth?

http://www.combinedfleet.com/ss.htm

there you have all the specifications for IJN subs.

this one, the Kaidai 3B had six fore tubes and two aft.

keltos

[keltos01]

I-Boat Damage Mod v1.3

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/392/pumpingout.jpg (http://img225.imageshack.us/i/pumpingout.jpg/)

fought it off on the surface :

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2006/53527749.jpg (http://img171.imageshack.us/i/53527749.jpg/)

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/2909/41856241.jpg (http://img30.imageshack.us/i/41856241.jpg/)


http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/8452/57156116.jpg (http://img27.imageshack.us/i/57156116.jpg/)



after an epic battle - are those destroyers elite Peabody ?- with Peabody's dc test mission, I sank 2 outright then got damaged by dc by the last of them...

I managed to crawl away and repair at the same time, now pumping out water :)

the Kaidai 3b behaves better now!

keltos

[keltos01]

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/3948/damaa.jpg (http://img146.imageshack.us/i/damaa.jpg/)

Right, so I took the settings from RFB and ported them over to my subs, I changed the crew numbers as japs were more numerous on their boats, but basically now you take damage but don't flood that easily, I still need to tweak the Kaidai 3b a bit, then I'll move on to the other subs.

Admiral Von Gerlach (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/member.php?u=242990) : Changes between Desiel and electric required a mechanical change in drive chain that severly limited the speed of these essential manuvers for a subsurface craft.so as I thought, they weren't true diesel-electric boats like the US ones ?

keltos

[Sledgehammer427]

IIRC all of the American subs and the german ones even had a direct-drive electric motor, meaning both the diesel and electric motor were on the same shaft, allowing the diesel to be used as a dynamo to recharge the batteries.
the japanese however, I think, used a different drive comfiguration, meaning the motors had to switch drives with the diesels, probably by some kind of Rube Goldberg cog, rack and pinion thing

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Yes that is correct Sledge, i posted about that a while ago in this thread. They had to manually shift things using some kind of chain hoists and manual shifting, and it was cause of much delay and many injuries to crew. I believe the problem originated because IJN was trying to do as much in house (ie. in Japan) as possible and did not want to import the technology to do it more efficiently but i am not sure. Whatever the cause, it was a major problem for their boats and handicapped them at vital times in boat operations from what i have heard and read.

[Sledgehammer427]

Yes that is correct Sledge, i posted about that a while ago in this thread.

didn't see it, haha

I believe the problem originated because IJN was trying to do as much in house (ie. in Japan) as possible and did not want to import the technology to do it more efficiently but i am not sure.

WWII Japanese thought it as an embarrassment to stoop to someone else's level and ask for help. That is why we do not see many Japanese WWII veterans

[haegemon]

Get ready to jump to the new system from SHV? Impresive mod.

[keltos01]

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/7871/16383573.jpg (http://img134.imageshack.us/i/16383573.jpg/)

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/5682/traitors.jpg (http://img170.imageshack.us/i/traitors.jpg/)
traitors...

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/7757/18828234.jpg (http://img2.imageshack.us/i/18828234.jpg/)



I couldn't resist... after I avoided the DD, I emergency surfaced and lobbed a few 6 inch shells (5 ?) at her then crash-dived again to 300 feet :), gosh I love the single 6 incher but wait till you try the dual 6 incher on the J1M !

Sweet Boat :)

no leaks so far still got engines too, so maybe, maybe the RFB Porpoise settings are good ?

[keltos01]

Jyunsen 1M

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/690/j1mv.jpg (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/j1mv.jpg/)


Kaidai 3b

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/6475/kd3b.jpg (http://img28.imageshack.us/i/kd3b.jpg/)


Kaidai 3B, 120 feet

I just got revenge for the beating those 2 DDs gave me, I sank one with a stern shot :) but also exposed myself to another attack by the last one.

She bracketed me good : two close hits on either side of the tower but...

although damaged only the attack scope was destroyed !

So I guess separating the scopes and making the obs scope stronger works after all !

the damage model has been tested for the Jyunsen B, kaidai 3b and Jyunsen 1M but is implemented for all boats of the Jyunsen B mod.



keltos


IBDM v 1.4 beta d/l :

http://www.mediafire.com/file/ld1yzoezyyq/IBDM_JB_v1.4_09_21.7z


Jyunsen B mod v 3.4 :

http://www.filefront.com/13220636/V_3.4_IJN_Sub_mod_JyunsenB.rar/

[Bubblehead1980]

I must admit, I check this thread once a day, sometimes more if i happen venture back to subsim more than that.Really looking forward to the whole IJN mod.

Question, will there be working, AI controlled US subs to torpedo? I torpedo IJN boats now and then in TMO, just got sank one off the Marianas actually.Would be cool to be on the other side.


Missions to the US west coast? Hawaii? Plenty of traffic in those areas? Just curious.

The sub models look great and it seems you are getting the damage issues worked out, can't wait for the finished product:salute:

[peabody]

I must admit, I check this thread once a day, sometimes more if i happen venture back to subsim more than that.Really looking forward to the whole IJN mod.

Question, will there be working, AI controlled US subs to torpedo? I torpedo IJN boats now and then in TMO, just got sank one off the Marianas actually.Would be cool to be on the other side.


Missions to the US west coast? Hawaii? Plenty of traffic in those areas? Just curious.

The sub models look great and it seems you are getting the damage issues worked out, can't wait for the finished product:salute:

Real life issues have caused slowdown for me. Keltos has the sub almost ready, but I am the big holdup right now.

Yes there will be missions to the West Coast, Hawaii, and Midway also. Trying to be semi-historical. Several Invasion forces at the dates they should be. Not as historical as the IJN using subs as supply ships, although there will be some supply missions. Using the belief of the IJN that the way to win the war was to destroy our ability to fight, thus sinking our Warships not our Merchant ships. You can do both, but it has some missions to specifically target Warships, and missions to sink anything that moves. (Just check the flag first:D)

Sufaced and submerged subs, not a lot, but they are there.

Peabody

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

you guys are so patient Peabody and Keltos, and so hard working...i hope real life things are going ok too. i got those too. but it is always a pleasure to check in here and see the project is still steaming ahead hot stsight and normal :)

salute to you both!

[keltos01]

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/8702/gunscopy.jpg (http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gunscopy.jpg)

Version 3.7 of Jyunsen B, Type AM, Kaidai 4 and Kaichu mod has been released !


it includes :

Takao's IJN name and rank mod

Two new loading screens

IJN Torpedo mod including kaiten

IJN Telegraph mod

New detailed towers and texture for the Type AM submarine and the Jyunsen B

A stand alone Type 22 radar :

Type 22 "stick" mast mounted surface/air http://www.silenthuntermods.com/forum/Smileys/extended/searchclick.gif radar for the Type AM

Type 22 "drum" drum mounted surface/air http://www.silenthuntermods.com/forum/Smileys/extended/searchclick.gif radar for the Jyunsen B

A new localization file giving you new info on torpedoes (explosive power added) and Snorkel and radar.

A bigger deckgun 127 mm available right away as an upgrade.


Radar :

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7387/radardecriptiongo4.jpg (http://%22http//imageshack.us/%22)


Torpedoes :

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/605/torpedoesdecriptionlj7.jpg (http://%22http//imageshack.us/%22)

v 3.0 Jyunsen B

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5918/v30jyunsenbkm7.jpg (http://%22http//imageshack.us/%22)


Flank speed ahead :

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/1503/v30jyunsenbflankcn7.jpg (http://%22http//imageshack.us/%22)

IJN Snorkel :

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/7886/v30jyunsenbsnorkeleo1.jpg (http://%22http//imageshack.us/%22)
Type AM loadout :

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/6208/v3typeamloadoutxw0.jpg (http://%22http//imageshack.us/%22)

Type AM submarine


http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/2197/v3typeamrq0.jpg (http://%22http//imageshack.us/%22)

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2738/v3typeam2te5.jpg (http://%22http//imageshack.us/%22)
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/v3typeam2te5.jpg/1/w1024.png (http://%22http//g.imageshack.us/img145/v3typeam2te5.jpg/1/%22)

Type AM tower and snorkel :

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/7301/v3amsnorkelandtowerct5.jpg (http://%22http//imageshack.us/%22)

Kaidai 4

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/6008/v3kaidai4io1.jpg (http://%22http//imageshack.us/%22)
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/v3kaidai4io1.jpg/1/w1024.png (http://%22http//g.imageshack.us/img120/v3kaidai4io1.jpg/1/%22)

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/6497/v3kaidai4boa4.jpg (http://%22http//imageshack.us/%22)

Kaichu

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/9215/v3kaichufi7.jpg (http://%22http//imageshack.us/%22)

Thanks to Peabody for much of the latest bug fixes including the snorkel and IJN radar stand alone set up, Sledgehammer427 for his Jyunsen B deck texture, waiting for the complete one ! http://www.silenthuntermods.com/forum/Smileys/extended/wink.gif



Version 3.7 of the Jyunsen B mod released !



D/L :

http://www.filefront.com/14580601/V_...d_JyunsenB.rar (http://www.filefront.com/14580601/V_3_7_IJN_Sub_mod_JyunsenB.rar)

[Bubblehead1980]

Again, great work.Can't wait for the whole thing to be ready.Any chance of a playable midget sub? Would be cool to try and sneak into Pearl Harbor during the attack on 7 December.

[peabody]

Again, great work.Can't wait for the whole thing to be ready.Any chance of a playable midget sub? Would be cool to try and sneak into Pearl Harbor during the attack on 7 December.

I don't think you want a midget sub. Remember you start your career with a sub and don't get another one unless the game offers it to you, so I don't think you want to play the entire campaign with a midget sub that can't even get from home port to the nearest target.

Midget will be left for single missions, not in the campaign.

Peabody

[Bubblehead1980]

I agree, mostly.If could work in a small campaign with them, say local action around the philippines, pearl harbor raid etc, cool if not, thats fine.You say the midget sub will be left for the single missions, so may I take that as a "yes there will be a playable midget sub" ??:yeah:

[keltos01]

I agree, mostly.If could work in a small campaign with them, say local action around the philippines, pearl harbor raid etc, cool if not, thats fine.You say the midget sub will be left for the single missions, so may I take that as a "yes there will be a playable midget sub" ??:yeah:

I think that a few playable missions would already be very nice, but only two torpedoes... well when you are in a harbor full of fat targets and only had a fly swat to fight with..


keltos

[keltos01]

equipment :

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1356/equipv.jpg (http://img441.imageshack.us/i/equipv.jpg/)


http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/3219/ewuip.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/i/ewuip.jpg/)

coming in the campaign : Jyunsen C2 8 forward tubes !

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/282/38065558.jpg (http://img21.imageshack.us/i/38065558.jpg/)


Version 3.7 of the Jyunsen B mod released !

D/L :

http://www.filefront.com/14580601/V_...d_JyunsenB.rar (http://www.filefront.com/14580601/V_3_7_IJN_Sub_mod_JyunsenB.rar)



IBDM (I-Boat Damage Mod) v 1.4 beta d/l :

http://www.mediafire.com/file/ld1yzoezyyq/IBDM_JB_v1.4_09_21.7z


add the IBDM on top of the Jyunsen B mod using jsgme


keltos

[OrangeYoshi]

Since Lurker doesn't like answering question about things that aren't his mods, I'll ask here.

Would it be reasonable to play with these boats etc. in OM until the official Japanese campaign comes out?

If you don't know don't try to find out for me, I can mess my own game up. ;)

[keltos01]

Since Lurker doesn't like answering question about things that aren't his mods, I'll ask here.

Would it be reasonable to play with these boats etc. in OM until the official Japanese campaign comes out?

If you don't know don't try to find out for me, I can mess my own game up. ;)

they play well with stock uboot campaign, historically accurate too as the japs operated out of Penang too.

I don't know about the compatibility with OM sorry

keltos

[OrangeYoshi]

Oh well. Thanks for the answer. I'll just try it.

[keltos01]

Peabody fixed the Ko Hyoteki stand alone, it is now to version 1.4.

I will add to it the IJN scope view soon.

d/l :

http://www.mediafire.com/file/mktzcimjvtm/IJN_Ko_1_4.7z

keltos

[keltos01]

I have started working on the IJN crew :

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/1839/cap3ijn7.jpg (http://img82.imageshack.us/i/cap3ijn7.jpg/)

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/5571/cap3ijn6.jpg (http://img301.imageshack.us/i/cap3ijn6.jpg/)


does anyone know which ones (crew / captain )are used on the german side so I don't have to do over all 12 heads ?

keltos

[keltos01]

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8532/crewh.jpg (http://img143.imageshack.us/i/crewh.jpg/)

this screen was made for us by Captainscurvy if I remember well, they look more japanese than my feeble attempts with the crew so far.. :-?

keltos

[keltos01]

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/267/subtenderuss.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/i/subtenderuss.jpg/)


is lots of fun ! can't wait for the campaign ;)

well I must also say here that I slow Peabody down with all my help requests about things that don't have to do with the campaign layer writing..

keltos

[MK2]

This looks amazing!!!

[busaken]

how can i download this version of the japanese missions. i would love to play this game. i have the uboat mission thanks:yeah:

[peabody]

how can i download this version of the japanese missions. i would love to play this game. i have the uboat mission thanks:yeah:

It is not quite ready yet. When it is released we will post a [REL] thread instead of a [WIP] (work in progress)

Peabody

[busaken]

any idea on a possible release date?
:arrgh!:

[keltos01]

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/9877/ijncampaing.jpg (http://img73.imageshack.us/i/ijncampaing.jpg/)


not yet but not that far away either ;)

you can still play the uboot campaign with IJN subs out of Penang for now.

keltos

[keltos01]

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/1114/21554341.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/i/21554341.jpg/)

a mission where I couldn't get the Gyoratei to help me... yet..

thankfully I had my Kaitens...

keltos

[keltos01]

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/1756/jyunsen1m.jpg (http://img231.imageshack.us/i/jyunsen1m.jpg/)


too small for a second torp (first one missed)

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/1756/jyunsen1m.jpg (http://img258.imageshack.us/i/jyunsen1m.jpg/)

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/6784/j1mf.jpg (http://img526.imageshack.us/i/j1mf.jpg/)



don't you just love havoing two DG ?

keltos

[Bubblehead1980]

Looks great, you enjoy teasing us with the screenshots eh? lol I have some questions...

Do the IJN subs have their historical test depths, which were shallows compared to others...250 feet.Any idea on the safety margin? Just curious, don't want to be able to go to 500 feet and survive when japanese subs prob couldnt go that deep and survive.

Hows the Allied AI for escorts looking? hopefully its pretty tough, esp as war goes on.From what I read, Japanese subs were in bad spot like German boats last half of the war, except U boats could go very deep.

Just curious and have I mentioned I am really looking forward to this, just a whole new avenue of SH 4.:salute:

[Sevrin]

It's amazing to me what these modders are able to accomplish. They just stick with it until they overcome all problems that can be overcome. It's awesome to watch these projects progress, take shape, and then become reality...

Where there's a will, there's a way. That's no more evident than here.


I wouldn't even be playing SHIV if not for the mod community and the way they have completely transformed what was initially a mess, into a thoroughly enjoyable experience.


Thanks to ALL you guys for your persistence, long hours and tedious work!

:salute::salute:

[peabody]

Looks great, you enjoy teasing us with the screenshots eh? lol I have some questions...

Do the IJN subs have their historical test depths, which were shallows compared to others...250 feet.Any idea on the safety margin? Just curious, don't want to be able to go to 500 feet and survive when japanese subs prob couldnt go that deep and survive.

Hows the Allied AI for escorts looking? hopefully its pretty tough, esp as war goes on.From what I read, Japanese subs were in bad spot like German boats last half of the war, except U boats could go very deep.

Just curious and have I mentioned I am really looking forward to this, just a whole new avenue of SH 4.:salute:

Keltos will have to answer about the subs, he did all the research and I imagine they are accurate. (Except for the rockets he want to add.:D)

The escorts are a mixture, I didn't want it so bad you can't finish a single mission. Interest wouldn't last long there. Without even changing defaults there are basically three
Somers: Calm and ignorant
Clemson: Knows where you are and it going to get you.
Fletcher: Persistant, doent' like to give up and turn back, harder to get away from.
And we have some with DDs and DEs from other nations, some with Hedgehogs, that will wake you up if you don't expect it.

Then when you add in some "Elite" it gets tougher. At the Beta release, I will not have a lot of "Elite" unless we get time to thoughly test the new damage model. Like I said I want it difficult but I do want you to be able to play it without having to start over every other mission.

Some things to keep in mind, this is not 100% historical, let's face it the Japanese Subs didn't accomplish a lot during the war. We are designing it like the Japanese thought, sinking our warships was the way to win the war, not sinking our merchants. So you will see more Warships, Task Forces, and less Merchants. You will see some supply drops but not to the extent they really did it.
The reason we are doing this is the Uboats were done in SH3 and SH4 and OM. The Fleet boats had several Super MODs which we could not even think to compare with since this is my first MOD of anything. I had to learn as I went along. And nobody did the Japanese, and Keltos had some Japanese subs and no campaign. I had a Sen Toku playable (my first mod) but I was doing the Campaign with Fleet boat files while Keltos' subs were uboats, so he asked me and I agreed to switch to the uboat files. (unfortunetly some real life got in the way and we haven't finished yet, which is my fault.)
I have to get this finished soon or Keltos will be shooting Atomic bombs out the snorkel. :har: He loves all this new stuff, AI torps, rockets, etc. ( I pick on him, but he has a good sense of humor and puts up with a lot of crap from me)

I am just sorry we are so late with this, expecially with SH5 right around the cornor.

Peabody

[Bubblehead1980]

No need to apologize , better to take your time than rush it out, sure it'll be great.I am glad you guys chose to do the Japanese campaign, it's original and will add a whole new aspect.I understand the Japanese submarines did not accomplish a lot, but they did have some successes and were a constant threat.

Plenty of Task Forces to shoot at, great.However, I hope merchant traffic will not be lacking, esp say convoys moving from the US to the warzones throughout the Pacific.Of course this is your mod but think that would be a rather big omission not to include them as possible targets.Just some insight from someone who will absolutely use this mod.
The AI situation you explained sounds good, although i hope all somaers are not pushovers.

As far as supply missions go, well i doubt anyone would like to do supply missions ALL the time, even though its historically accurate.

Anyway, can't wait to see the end result.....:salute:

[peabody]

No need to apologize , better to take your time than rush it out, sure it'll be great.I am glad you guys chose to do the Japanese campaign, it's original and will add a whole new aspect.I understand the Japanese submarines did not accomplish a lot, but they did have some successes and were a constant threat.

Plenty of Task Forces to shoot at, great.However, I hope merchant traffic will not be lacking, esp say convoys moving from the US to the warzones throughout the Pacific.Of course this is your mod but think that would be a rather big omission not to include them as possible targets.Just some insight from someone who will absolutely use this mod.
The AI situation you explained sounds good, although i hope all somaers are not pushovers.

As far as supply missions go, well i doubt anyone would like to do supply missions ALL the time, even though its historically accurate.

Anyway, can't wait to see the end result.....:salute:

It's just been frustrating to try to do something and not have the time. I am afraid it will not be all that I hoped it would be. But, it may work out.

Yes, there will be convoys, they will have to move supplies. I am just giving it another change of pace by not having every mission "Sink Enemy Merchant Shipping". And there will be several "Invasion Forces" at the historic locations. Guadalcanal, Guam, Saipan, Iwo Jima, etc, etc etc. You will wish you could bring more torpedos.......and I'll leave it at that.

The Somers DD actually has a 'bug' that someone fixed quite a while ago, that is why it is not as agressive as the others. But it is also nice when there are a LOT of escorts and they are not ALL after you, but the Somers will get in your way and attack if you mess up. So it is a threat but will usually continue on protecting the convoy/task force while the others escort you to the bottom.:D

Some of the things that were planned just didn't work out, couldn't figure out a way to make it work. Some will be used but not the way I wanted.

Since this is what started my Modding if it works I'll be happy, and willing to improve it if people use it. And who knows maybe SH5 will add more stuff we can use.

Peabody

[---Dagon---]

In Work

Japanese mini Sub
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/5435/jcs2.jpg
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/5548/jcs1.jpg
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/3135/jcs3.jpg

Japanese I400 Sub
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/3506/i4001.jpg
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/5470/i4002.jpg
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/1247/i4003.jpg

[ivank]

^^OMG!:o AMAZING!

[keltos01]

Looks great, you enjoy teasing us with the screenshots eh? lol I have some questions...

Do the IJN subs have their historical test depths, which were shallows compared to others...250 feet.Any idea on the safety margin? Just curious, don't want to be able to go to 500 feet and survive when japanese subs prob couldnt go that deep and survive.

Hows the Allied AI for escorts looking? hopefully its pretty tough, esp as war goes on.From what I read, Japanese subs were in bad spot like German boats last half of the war, except U boats could go very deep.

Just curious and have I mentioned I am really looking forward to this, just a whole new avenue of SH 4.:salute:

Yes sir ! all subs have their historical speed, test depth etc.. some as shallow as 180 feet ( the J1M I posted picts of earlier), only the Jyunsen B, Type AM and Sen Toku went to 300 feet.

keltos

[keltos01]

[quote=peabody;1197834]Keltos will have to answer about the subs, he did all the research and I imagine they are accurate. (Except for the rockets he want to add.:D)
they are historically accurate : in 44' they had surface to air unguided rockets and surface to surface rockets.
The escorts are a mixture, I didn't want it so bad you can't finish a single mission. Interest wouldn't last long there. Without even changing defaults there are basically three
Somers: Calm and ignorant
Clemson: Knows where you are and it going to get you.
Fletcher: Persistant, doent' like to give up and turn back, harder to get away from.
And we have some with DDs and DEs from other nations, some with Hedgehogs, that will wake you up if you don't expect it.
:har: help !!! gimme a Fleetboat please ! just kidding ;)

@Dagon : nice work but there shouldn't be any doors on the midget's tubes
Then when you add in some "Elite" it gets tougher. At the Beta release, I will not have a lot of "Elite" unless we get time to thoughly test the new damage model. Like I said I want it difficult but I do want you to be able to play it without having to start over every other mission.
thank God for that !
Some things to keep in mind, this is not 100% historical, let's face it the Japanese Subs didn't accomplish a lot during the war. We are designing it like the Japanese thought, sinking our warships was the way to win the war, not sinking our merchants. So you will see more Warships, Task Forces, and less Merchants. You will see some supply drops but not to the extent they really did it.
good
The reason we are doing this is the Uboats were done in SH3 and SH4 and OM. The Fleet boats had several Super MODs which we could not even think to compare with since this is my first MOD of anything. I had to learn as I went along. And nobody did the Japanese, and Keltos had some Japanese subs and no campaign.

:D
I had a Sen Toku playable (my first mod) but I was doing the Campaign with Fleet boat files while Keltos' subs were uboats, so he asked me and I agreed to switch to the uboat files. (unfortunetly some real life got in the way and we haven't finished yet, which is our fault.)
I have to get this finished soon or Keltos will be shooting Atomic bombs out the snorkel. :har: He loves all this new stuff, AI torps, rockets, etc. ( I pick on him, but he has a good sense of humor and puts up with a lot of crap from me)same goes, we're a TEAM.

I am just sorry we are so late with this, expecially with SH5 right around the cornor.

Peabody
keltos

[starsiege]

Hi All
Is this a mod which is compatiable with SH4 Uboat missions game?(i mean will i be able to install it even if i had the U boat missions expansion installed?)

thank you

:)

[peabody]

Hi All
Is this a mod which is compatiable with SH4 Uboat missions game?(i mean will i be able to install it even if i had the U boat missions expansion installed?)

thank you

:)

Welcome starsiege. You need the expansion pack Uboat add on to play this Campaign.

Peabody

[Captain America]

Dagon...thats some pretty sexy modeling going on there. Bravo!

Best of luck with this mod.

[keltos01]

http://www.combinedfleet.com/sen%20taka.jpg

The Sen Taka (submarine, high speed), in high bursts of speed, could run faster submerged than on the surface for up to an hour. The only World War II submarine comparable in underwater speed to the I-201 class was the German Type XXI "Elektro-boote" class. The I-201 class had streamlined all-welded hulls, high capacity 4,192 cell batteries and electric motors that provided almost twice the horsepower of their German-designed diesel engines. The I-201 class were fitted with snorkels to allow cruising submerged on their diesels and recharging of their batteries while underwater. They carried 25-mm guns in retractable mounts to maintain streamlining. Eight boats were laid down, but only three were completed before the end of the war. None saw operational use.

Dagon :

I would rather have you spend you valuable modelling time on a class we sorely miss : the HA 200 class

The Sen Toku misses details, but I thought the stock hull was ok ?

I have posted the blueprint on the blueprint thread.

regards

keltos

[keltos01]

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9671/nearpearl.jpg (http://img99.imageshack.us/i/nearpearl.jpg/)


keltos

[keltos01]

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/1212/libj.jpg (http://img40.imageshack.us/i/libj.jpg/)

off Pearl getting dc...

keltos

[starsiege]

Welcome starsiege. You need the expansion pack Uboat add on to play this Campaign.

Peabody

Thank you. I have the U boat missions add on installed. Where do i download this campaign?

[---Dagon---]

Keltos01

Give drawings and boat photos, I will make. But quickly it will not turn out. Now I am engaged in addition Great War: Battle for Baltic

[Bubblehead1980]

Did you guys ever find anyone to do the Japanese voices?

[peabody]

@Starsiege:
It has not been released yet.

@Bubblehead1980

No, we didn't find anyone to do the voices. Keltos had a couple of people willing to do it but were unable.

Peabody

[dyshman]

now i'm working for japanese submarine Kaidai 7, there are some screnees) would you like to include it to your mod when i'll finish it?
later i'll need some help to incorporate it the game)
http://i025.radikal.ru/0911/47/9754062a6828t.jpg (http://radikal.ru/F/i025.radikal.ru/0911/47/9754062a6828.jpg.html)

[keltos01]

now i'm working for japanese submarine Kaidai 7, there are some screnees) would you like to include it to your mod when i'll finish it?
later i'll need some help to incorporate it the game)
http://i025.radikal.ru/0911/47/9754062a6828t.jpg (http://radikal.ru/F/i025.radikal.ru/0911/47/9754062a6828.jpg.html)

Developed from the KD6 type, these attack submarines had an endurance of 75 days. Differences from the earlier type include concentration of all tubes forward, and slightly improved operating depth. The most notable naval successes by this class were both achieved by I-176. I-176 damaged cruiser USS Chester off Guadalcanal on 2 October 1942, preventing her from participating in the Battle of the Eastern Solomons and the First Battle of Guadalcanal. That boat also sank USS Corvina patrolling off of Truk on 16 November 1943. Polmar and Carpenter state that was the only instance of a Japanese submarine sinking a US submarine
http://www.combinedfleet.com/type_kd7.htm


I have very accurate blueprints for this sub and hull sections, I intended to make the 3D model myself at some point.

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5050/i178blueprintsidetoplow.jpg


http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/5421/i178blueprintsectionlow.jpg
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=1066528

in a second beta why not :)

keep posting your WIP

keltos

[keltos01]

Dagon :

I would rather have you spend you valuable modelling time on a class we sorely miss : the HA 200 class

The Sen Toku misses details, but I thought the stock hull was ok ?

I have posted the blueprint on the blueprint thread.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=146720

regards

keltos

[loftyc]

Thank you. I have the U boat missions add on installed. Where do i download this campaign?


starsiege, the subs completed so far are somewhere at http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=1e856d1e47461c0036df4e8dca141969e04e75f6 e8ebb871

install them, and choose one to use when you select a single mission as you would any other boat.

You can see from just those boats what a hell of a job these guys are doing!

[keltos01]

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/174/htsubs3091113main.jpg (http://img8.imageshack.us/i/htsubs3091113main.jpg/)
I-14 at the bottom of the ocean - 5.5 inch deck gun visible.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology/hunt-lost-wwii-samurai-subs/story?id=9093027

keltos

[keltos01]

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/3219/ewuip.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/i/ewuip.jpg/)

coming in the campaign : Jyunsen C2 8 forward tubes !

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/282/38065558.jpg (http://img21.imageshack.us/i/38065558.jpg/)


Version 3.7 of the Jyunsen B mod released !

D/L :

http://www.filefront.com/14580601/V_...d_JyunsenB.rar (http://www.filefront.com/14580601/V_3_7_IJN_Sub_mod_JyunsenB.rar)



IBDM (I-Boat Damage Mod) v 1.4 beta d/l :

http://www.mediafire.com/file/ld1yzo..._v1.4_09_21.7z (http://www.mediafire.com/file/ld1yzoezyyq/IBDM_JB_v1.4_09_21.7z)


add the IBDM on top of the Jyunsen B mod using jsgme

Peabody could you add those links to the first post, so that people would find it straight away ? it is on the first post of the Jyunsen B thread but since this is the Official IJN Campaign Thread... thanks

keltos

[subsailor770]

Lots of hard work. Can't wait!:D

[OrangeYoshi]

I too can't wait for this thing to come out. I love playing on the losing side for some reason. It makes it more suspenseful and scary I guess.

[Radio]

Just an idea: Not sure if this helps with your language/voices problem but: For the game IL-2 a mod-pack existed that added several languages and voices. It included japanese voice files amongst others, maybe you can contact the modmakers and ask for help/files?

[keltos01]

but would the voices say what we need them to ?

the hard part is that current day japanese is different from WWII japanese, and so far none of our friends in Japan have been able to help us out..

keltos

[Bubblehead1980]

well if you cant get the old japanese, could settle for modern japanese....better than having english speaking japanese crew members right?

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

True Keltos, the Japanese spoken back then was more formal, and certainly less coloquial than it is today. I have a friend who was a consul to Japan and she is fluent but sadly she is a she, and there were no she's aboard back then. :) She also sounds like a gaijin.

[Radio]

but would the voices say what we need them to ?

the hard part is that current day japanese is different from WWII japanese, and so far none of our friends in Japan have been able to help us out..

keltos

I don't know. Numbers, directions, yes, no, etc all those things were in the mod pack. Enough for a start? And IIRC it was even WWII Japanese...

[keltos01]

I don't know. Numbers, directions, yes, no, etc all those things were in the mod pack. Enough for a start? And IIRC it was even WWII Japanese...

if you can get us the agreement to use the files, I don't see why not, but I remember from my own sound mod that cloning what the devs did is hard..

I always end up with bigger files than they did, and then again i'm no sound master..

keltos

[peabody]

if you can get us the agreement to use the files, I don't see why not, but I remember from my own sound mod that cloning what the devs did is hard..

I always end up with bigger files than they did, and then again i'm no sound master..

keltos

Some files were from movies and they were just too long or not the right format or bitrate, so it can be done. I did some clips from Tora,Tora,Tora and they were small enough.
The problem we are having it time. And we don't understand what they are saying. I could make a Japanese voice to say "We are under attack" but they might be saying "Hey, you got a cigarette?" :har:

Peabody

[keltos01]

kaiten attack :

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/9352/kaiten.jpg (http://img248.imageshack.us/i/kaiten.jpg/)




Some files were from movies and they were just too long or not the right format or bitrate, so it can be done. I did some clips from Tora,Tora,Tora and they were small enough.
The problem we are having it time. And we don't understand what they are saying. I could make a Japanese voice to say "We are under attack" but they might be saying "Hey, you got a cigarette?" :har:

Peabody

:har::har::har:

[keltos01]

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8114/radarjbdrum.jpg (http://img171.imageshack.us/i/radarjbdrum.jpg/)

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1653/radarjbdrumi.jpg (http://img171.imageshack.us/i/radarjbdrumi.jpg/)

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/8114/radarjbdrum.jpg (http://img513.imageshack.us/i/radarjbdrum.jpg/)


The "drum" Type 22 radar on the Jyunsen B.

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/223/radaramstick.jpg (http://img260.imageshack.us/i/radaramstick.jpg/)

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/8114/radarjbdrum.jpg (http://img187.imageshack.us/i/radarjbdrum.jpg/)


The Type AM submarine radar model has been improved similarly.

Keltos

[Bubblehead1980]

nice SS as usual.Question, do you plan to remove that silly orange marker? hope so, if not, perhaps include a quick JSGME ready optional mod to remove it? Sure i'm not alone, I hate that marker, always drove me crazy in stock game.:salute:

[keltos01]

nice SS as usual.Question, do you plan to remove that silly orange marker? hope so, if not, perhaps include a quick JSGME ready optional mod to remove it? Sure i'm not alone, I hate that marker, always drove me crazy in stock game.:salute:

if anyone can tell me how..

glad you like the new model !:DL

keltos

[peabody]

if anyone can tell me how..

glad you like the new model !:DL

keltos

It is the Unitmark in the .cam file, you can delete it, make it smaller or just make it darker by changing the .tga file.

Peabody

[keltos01]

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/8990/typeam.jpg (http://img39.imageshack.us/i/typeam.jpg/)



HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL :woot:

keltos

[Radio]

if anyone can tell me how..

glad you like the new model !:DL

keltos

You can simply use this U_mark.dds : http://rapidshare.com/files/312664882/UMark.dds.html I made it myself, but to be honest a 5-year old could have done it as good as I did :D :O:

[keltos01]

a breather !

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/8990/typeam.jpg (http://img522.imageshack.us/i/typeam.jpg/)




http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/8990/typeam.jpg (http://img690.imageshack.us/i/typeam.jpg/)


We'll see about the mark cause I kindo like it, helps me find my sub ! look above : found her ! ;)

and if a 5 year old can do it, well anyone who wants can remove it ;)


keltos

[Shinbou Hakugei]

Greetings!
I read this forum few months, but only today write first time here.

Keltos and Peabody, you make a great work! :up:

I would like to help with japanese campaign, how I can do it? I can't make 3D models, but I can build some missions, can dig SH files in skwas S3Ditor, can be a just tester.

I have some materials about japanese submarines, but I think you have it too, this is not something rare... Also I have some japanese war music (Gunka) in good quality, which I use in grammophone... :yeah:

P.S. I am not from Japan - cannot help with japanese language and translation.

[keltos01]

[quote=Shinbou Hakugei;1211178]Greetings!
I read this forum few months, but only today write first time here.

Keltos and Peabody, you make a great work! :up:

I would like to help with japanese campaign, how I can do it? I can't make 3D models, but I can build some missions, can dig SH files in skwas S3Ditor, can be a just tester.

I have some materials about japanese submarines, but I think you have it too, this is not something rare... Also I have some japanese war music (Gunka) in good quality, which I use in grammophone... :yeah:
the music sure interrests me ! even though I usually play without it, it might add to the atmosphere :DL

as for a tester, dl the Jyunsen B mod and the IBDM and report !

thanks

keltos

[peabody]

Greetings!
I read this forum few months, but only today write first time here.

Keltos and Peabody, you make a great work! :up:

I would like to help with japanese campaign, how I can do it? I can't make 3D models, but I can build some missions, can dig SH files in skwas S3Ditor, can be a just tester.

I have some materials about japanese submarines, but I think you have it too, this is not something rare... Also I have some japanese war music (Gunka) in good quality, which I use in grammophone... :yeah:

P.S. I am not from Japan - cannot help with japanese language and translation.

Welcome, Shinbou Hakugei, thank you for your offer. Think you could learn to speak Japanese in the next couple of days?:har:

Right now the files for the Campaign are not in a testable condition.

I will have to check with Keltos on a couple of things I just did that will need to be tested. But I am not sure if this file will work with the 3.7 boats and the 3.9 are 'broken' while I finish a couple of entries for them.

Peabody

[keltos01]

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9639/j1ma.jpg (http://img207.imageshack.us/i/j1ma.jpg/)


I liked the view ;) went round from Penang south of Australia on my way to Pearl.

keltos

[keltos01]

I see someone named sesuna posted on the thread in the main page, and here nothing ?

keltos

[keltos01]

http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/2199/j1m.jpg (http://img704.imageshack.us/i/j1m.jpg/)


stalking a merchant...

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3460/trats.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/i/trats.jpg/)

look at those guys manning the AA guns ?????

[keltos01]

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2199/j1m.jpg (http://img98.imageshack.us/i/j1m.jpg/)



http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/851/banzain.jpg (http://img338.imageshack.us/i/banzain.jpg/)

Banzai ! Banzai ! Banzai !!!


IJN sound mod version 1.4 enabled : the crew shouts "Banzai" as the torpedo hits !

crash dive rings the IJN bell and yells Isingtae or something ;)

how's that for an IJN feeling ?

IJN sound mod v 1.4 d/l link :

http://www.filefront.com/12682913/IJN_sound_mod_version_1.4e.rar/

keltos

[keltos01]

warships coming my way.. moving to intercept !

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/5108/dddddq.jpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/i/dddddq.jpg/)

I wish I hadn't wated my torpedoes on those merchants now... look at that ! the sea's covered in US ships !

http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/1032/dddddi.jpg (http://img697.imageshack.us/i/dddddi.jpg/)

then I fired two at a heavy cruiser, and two at, at ...

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3924/dddddms.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/i/dddddms.jpg/)


a Colorado class battleship !!!

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7489/44242134.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/i/44242134.jpg/)


and a fleet carrier !

and all my torps (2 attacks) did was to sink 3 DDs by mistake... :-(

Am I glad I saved the game when I saw the blue lines... and again before the attack...

keltos

[keltos01]

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/5509/colorado.jpg (http://img502.imageshack.us/i/colorado.jpg/)


I evaded the DDs, got close and under the battleship, I was at 200 feet under a thermal layer, went back to periscope depth, had only one type 95 torpedo loaded, I aimed at the bow of the colodaro and let fly !

Luckily I hit near the stern !!!

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/6291/damo.jpg (http://img37.imageshack.us/i/damo.jpg/)

too bad the game doesn't consider "damaged ships"...

those bastards are fast (they start like ferraris ??) 28 knots is a lot..

Boy this IJN campaign is hard... no more sink easy... not more fat and slow and straight going targets...

went back to 200 feet, reloaded, fired two torps from the stern tubes, still aiming at the bow, the ship zigzagged, one type 95 crept close, closer closer ...



http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/43/dddddcopy.jpg (http://img163.imageshack.us/i/dddddcopy.jpg/)


BANZAI !! BANZAI !!




http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/5844/hitcopy.jpg (http://img707.imageshack.us/i/hitcopy.jpg/)


and she won't sink, but hey ! that's damaged right ?

keltos

[Arclight]

Damaged? I'd call that disabled. :up:

[keltos01]

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The remains of a Japanese mini-submarine that participated in the Dec. 7, 1941, attack on Pearl Harbor have been discovered, researchers are to report today, offering strong evidence that the sub fired its torpedoes at Battleship Row.

That could settle a long-standing argument among historians.

Five mini-subs were to participate in the strike, but four were scuttled, destroyed or run aground without being a factor in the attack. The fate of the fifth has remained a mystery. But a variety of new evidence suggests that the fifth fired its two 800-pound torpedoes, most likely at the battleships West Virginia and Oklahoma, capsizing the latter. A day later, researchers think, the mini-sub's crew scuttled it in nearby West Loch.

The loch was also the site of a 1944 disaster in which six tank landing ships preparing for the secret invasion of Saipan were destroyed in an ammunition explosion that killed 200 sailors and wounded hundreds more.

When the Navy scooped up the remains of the so-called LSTs and dumped them outside the harbor to protect the secrecy of the invasion, it apparently also dumped the mini-sub's remains, which were mingled with the damaged U.S. ships.

"It's not often that a historian gets a chance to rewrite history," said marine historian and former Navy submariner Parks Stephenson, who pieced together the evidence for the television program "Nova." "The capsizing of the Oklahoma is the second most iconic event of the attack. If one submarine could get in in 1941 and hit a battleship, who knows what a midget sub could do today. Iran and North Korea are both building them. It's very worrying."

Stephenson and his colleagues have put together a convincing chain of circumstantial evidence, but it is just circumstantial, said Burl Burlingame, a journalist at the Honolulu Star-Bulletin and author of "Advance Force: Pearl Harbor."

"There is a good chance that this is the Pearl Harbor midget, but I don't think the case is closed on it," Burlingame said. "At this point, it is not hard evidence."

The two-man, 80-foot-long sub in question does not have a name of its own. Each of the five subs in the attack was carried by a conventional submarine and took its name from the mother boat. It is thus called the I-16-tou -- tou being Japanese for boat. Powered by a 600-horsepower electric motor, the sub could reach underwater speeds of 19 knots, twice as fast as many of the U.S. subs of the day.

The three pieces of the sub were found during routine test dives between 1994 and 2001 by Terry Kerby, chief pilot of the Hawaii Undersea Research Laboratory's submersibles Pisces IV and Pisces V. But Kerby and others assumed they were a part of a war trophy that had been captured by allied forces at Guadalcanal or elsewhere, towed back to Hawaii and scuttled.

Stephenson got involved in 2007 because he was looking for the fifth Japanese mini-sub.

In 1941, a crewman on the I-16 had received a radio call from the I-16-tou at 10:41 p.m. on Dec. 8 reporting the success of its mission. That indicated to Stephenson that the mini-sub had found a calm place in the harbor and hidden until the next night before surfacing and sending the call.

The crew members would have then scuttled the craft because they could not get it out of the harbor. The West Loch would have been a good location to hide, but researchers could find no trace of the boat there.

A diver who had been looking for the mini-sub suggested that Stephenson talk to Kerby, who sent him pictures of his find.

"As soon as I saw the bow section with the distinctive net cutter, I knew that we had found the fifth midget sub," Stephenson said. The Japanese navy modified net cutters on the subs for specific missions, and the one on the wreck was identical to those on the other mini-subs.

No torpedoes were found on the wreck, and evidence suggests that they were not present when the boat was sunk. A newly declassified photograph taken by a Japanese plane during the attack appeared to show a mini-sub firing a torpedo into Battleship Row. A report to Congress in 1942 by Adm. Chester W. Nimitz describes an unexploded 800-pound torpedo recovered after the battle. That's twice the size carried by the torpedo bombers.

That torpedo was apparently a dud that missed the West Virginia.

But an examination of the remains of the Oklahoma shows that it apparently had underwater damage much larger than that associated with aerial torpedoes. An underwater blast would have caused it to capsize, Stephenson said. "Otherwise it would have settled to the bottom upright," like the other sunken ships.

The 1944 disaster at West Loch occurred on May 21 as the Navy was preparing to invade the Mariana Islands in Operation Forager. The Navy clamped a top-secret classification on the incident to keep it from the Japanese, and few records are now available. What is known is that it was crucial to clear out the debris because the loch was by then the site of an ammunition dump.

Records from the salvage ship Valve showed that it was brought into the loch during the cleanup and its 250-ton crane was used for an undisclosed reason. Stephenson thinks it lifted the I-16-tou, but there are no records to confirm that.

The remains of the mini-sub were then dumped three miles south of Pearl Harbor along with those of the LSTs, to be found by Kerby 50 years later.

Bulkheads on the wreck are sealed, so researchers don't know whether the mini-sub crew was trapped. But a map taken from one of the other mini-subs showed the location of a safe house in Pearl City, Hawaii, suggesting the crew might have scuttled the boat and escaped.

The "Nova" episode describing the search for the I-16-tou will air Jan. 5.

thomas.maugh@latimes.com

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-sci-minisub7-2009dec07,0,6991792.story

according to this new data I think we might have to include a single mission for the Ko-Hyoteki we made to infiltrate Pearl Harbor at the start of the war.

Sidney and other places where those subs were used might also be in order.

keltos

[keltos01]

regular, no coating observation scope at night :

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/6712/regularnightscope.jpg (http://img513.imageshack.us/i/regularnightscope.jpg/)

coated lens observation scope op 15 :

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/2869/scopenight15.jpg (http://img27.imageshack.us/i/scopenight15.jpg/)



zoom op 15 :

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/5061/scopenight152.jpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/i/scopenight152.jpg/)

This rc2 of Arclight's Type 88 periscope coating is the kind I wanted :D

:yeah: great work Arclight ! now we see at night !

keltos

download link (implement on top of Jyunsen B mod) :

http://www.mediafire.com/file/z3nnw2mjiyz/Type 88 periscope color filter mod - opac 15 - Arclight.7z

[Arclight]

I'm glad it's to your liking. Must say I'm a little honored, just because I could contribute something. :smug:

Really does give some nice contrast in the dark. But those frickin lines... I tend to agree they're rendered by the engine itself without calling any resources, but maybe there's an entry somewhere to control it non the less. :hmmm:

[keltos01]

I'm glad it's to your liking. Must say I'm a little honored, just because I could contribute something. :smug:

Really does give some nice contrast in the dark. But those frickin lines... I tend to agree they're rendered by the engine itself without calling any resources, but maybe there's an entry somewhere to control it non the less. :hmmm:

the left hand scale and the upper one don't bother me, it's the central green crosshairs that do..

keltos

[Arclight]

Aye... you could at least control the color by drawing the lines yourself. Maybe black would be less obtrusive. :hmmm:

[keltos01]

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7594/300pxi52.jpg (http://img12.imageshack.us/i/300pxi52.jpg/)

I-52, code-named Momi (樅, Japanese for "evergreen" or "fir tree")

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_submarine_I-52_%281943%29


Miner1436 made a trade with James Dziadulewicz , the model builder who made it in 1999... and got us his I-52 3d model !

so we'll get yet another sub in campaign in a little while !

but it'll need some work : many separate pieces...

BRAVO MINER !!!!!! :yeah::yeah::salute:

keltos

[keltos01]

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5985/i52y.jpg (http://img98.imageshack.us/i/i52y.jpg/)
lots of pieces to weld ;)


http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/9844/sentokuandresizedi52.jpg (http://img98.imageshack.us/i/sentokuandresizedi52.jpg/)

respective sizes : Sen Toku (122 m) and I-52 (108 m)

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3948/i52.jpg (http://img98.imageshack.us/i/i52.jpg/)

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/8461/i527.jpg (http://img340.imageshack.us/i/i527.jpg/)


http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/2484/sentokuandresizedi522.jpg (http://img42.imageshack.us/i/sentokuandresizedi522.jpg/)

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3948/i52.jpg (http://img268.imageshack.us/i/i52.jpg/)

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/2559/i52w.jpg (http://img340.imageshack.us/i/i52w.jpg/)

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/7453/i52j.jpg (http://img340.imageshack.us/i/i52j.jpg/)


http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/3948/i52.jpg (http://img341.imageshack.us/i/i52.jpg/)


This class of submarines was designed and built by Mitsubishi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi) Corporation, between 1943 and 1944, as cargo carriers. They were quite long and carried a crew of up to 94. They also had a long cruising range at a speed of 12 knots (22 km/h). The Japanese constructed only three of these submarines during World War II (I-52, I-53 (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Japanese_submarine_I-53&action=edit&redlink=1) and I-55 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_submarine_I-55)), although twenty were planned [1] (http://homepage2.nifty.com/nishidah/e/stc0546.htm). They were the largest submarines ever built at that time, and were known as the most advanced Japanese submarines of their time.
The keel of I-52 was laid on 18 March 1942, and she was commissioned on 28 December 1943 into the 11th submarine squadron. After training in Japan she was selected for a Yanagi (exchange) mission to Germany.

recording of the sinking of I-52 :

"bomb bay doors open ...

make sure your switch is on torpedo..

oh that's right that's not bomb now that's correct...

you hear that little croaking sound ?...

spring ? shaft or something ?...

we're ready now.. ok we're approacing ..

his rmp is about 58 times 4 .........

there he goes again...

-lots of pinging and wave noise thoughout-

okay let's throw it ..


ooh we got that son of a bitch !!

he's still going however that sounded like one hell of an explosion about one minute ago did you hear all that ?

yeah I'm positive that's what it was...

"

http://hnsa.org/sound/i52wire/i52wire2.mp3

http://hnsa.org/sound/i52wire/i52wire1.mp3

with commentary :

http://www.hnsa.org/sound/sonobuoy2/record19.mov
http://www.hnsa.org/sound/sonobuoy2/record20.mov


keltos

[Bubblehead1980]

Very nice work, cant wait to give this mod a run.

Question/suggestion/comment


Any plans to incorporate and interior free cam, such as the one TMO uses? Would be cool to not be stuck in one position as in stock, just a humble suggestion.Keep up the great work.

[Shinbou Hakugei]

Very good model of I-52. :up:
Here is a website about I-52: http://www.operationrisingsun.com/

By the way, Wikipedia have a wrong photo of I-52: this is I-52 of Kaidai-2 type, which was renumbered as I-152 and used only as training ship.

[epower]

Not sure if you guys have this and I confess to not having read all 25 pages of this thread but I stumbled upon this a short while ago.

http://www.fischer-tropsch.org/primary_documents/gvt_reports/USNAVY/USNTMJ%20Reports/USNTMJ-200F-0086-0124%20Report%20O-32.pdf

The Kuib mod on the ATO board got me thinking that someone might want to have a crack at reproducing the IJN fire control.

Hope this helps

[keltos01]

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6153/ijntdc.jpg (http://img402.imageshack.us/i/ijntdc.jpg/)

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/1447/type92mod2.jpg (http://img64.imageshack.us/i/type92mod2.jpg/)






Not sure if you guys have this and I confess to not having read all 25 pages of this thread but I stumbled upon this a short while ago.

http://www.fischer-tropsch.org/primary_documents/gvt_reports/USNAVY/USNTMJ%20Reports/USNTMJ-200F-0086-0124%20Report%20O-32.pdf

The Kuib mod on the ATO board got me thinking that someone might want to have a crack at reproducing the IJN fire control.

Hope this helps


I thought I had all the relevant reports of the USNMJ but obviously not !

thanks !

might make one jap TDC 3d model sometimes then !

boy is this thread going ! :D

keltos

[miner1436]

I don't understand why the I-52 class is a C3 and not C2, I-52 was completed and commissioned before any of the C2's were.

PS: Keltos, did you get those messages about new sub info?

[keltos01]

I don't understand why the I-52 class is a C3 and not C2, I-52 was completed and commissioned before any of the C2's were.

PS: Keltos, did you get those messages about new sub info?

which messages ?

keltos

[miner1436]

Your PM box must have been full, ill resend them.

EDIT: sent.

[keltos01]

testing IBDM and US DC mod :

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/634/besttorpsalvocopy.jpg (http://img37.imageshack.us/i/besttorpsalvocopy.jpg/)

there I was, stalking a nice fat convoy, then I fired 4 torpedoes at a fleet carrier and another carrier, missed, but my salvo went on and one torp struck a ? 10000 tonner !!! Banzai !!!

then they came at me... how many DC do ships have ? the K guns on this one fired a salvo of 8 DC...

keltos

[keltos01]

new armor/hitpoints ratio for IJN Subs

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/1473/armorx.jpg (http://img710.imageshack.us/i/armorx.jpg/)


according to empirical data from testing ;)

armor/hitpoints are the value used in the v 1.5 of mod but for the J1M
armor 2/ hitpoints 2 should be the next ? version of settings in v 1.6 of mod

IBDM v 1.6 and torp loadout fix :

http://www.mediafire.com/file/ynzoyjztmmr/IBDM_JB_v1.6_12_20 torp fix.7z

[I'm goin' down]

I did not read through 25 pages of posts. I did not make it that far.:yawn:

Where is the program download? I did not see it or a link.
Is it a supermod, where I am captain of a Japaneses sub? Or, is there more to it?

[peabody]

I did not read through 25 pages of posts. I did not make it that far.:yawn:

Where is the program download? I did not see it or a link.
Is it a supermod, where I am captain of a Japaneses sub? Or, is there more to it?

Actually it is not done yet. It should have been, we had a good start, but then Real life smacked me right between the eyes full force and I lost most of my spare time to work on it. That combined with the fact we are beginners at this, we just don't have it done. We are working on it and hope to get it out asap. In fact I am working on it as I type this. (I can multitask:woot:).
And we hit a few speed bumps along the way, where things didn't work the way we expected them to and had to spend time figuring them out.

I am not making excuses just letting you know what is going on.

Yes, you will be using Japanese subs in a Japanese Campaign. They are made using uboats, so the interiors will be uboats.

Sorry for the delay, but it was unavoidable.

Peabody

[keltos01]

[quote=miner1436;1223108]IJN subs in color:

I-400

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/8326/i400cleaning.jpg (http://img191.imageshack.us/i/i400cleaning.jpg/)

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/2275/i400crew.jpg (http://img51.imageshack.us/i/i400crew.jpg/)


I-400 class:

cleaning of the ship prior to its shipping to the USA : removal of the stores of food (full of rats..)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYjc_dFkgmI&feature=related

And I dont know if it is accurate but this video has 3D I-25 interiors: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqdQNxrQC54&feature=related
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/4185/ijni204tiger.jpg (http://img130.imageshack.us/i/ijni204tiger.jpg/)

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/2020/ijnsubemblemtiger.jpg (http://img192.imageshack.us/i/ijnsubemblemtiger.jpg/)

up close :

[/URL]
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/1310/i204tigeremblemcloseup.jpg (http://img199.imageshack.us/i/i204tigeremblemcloseup.jpg/)


I-101 :

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/5746/i101tigerport.jpg (http://img136.imageshack.us/i/i101tigerport.jpg/)


Looks like the type D1:[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCKB2LT5x3I&feature=related

I thought those were the I-202 and I 204 (Tiger emblem)

This is awesome ! the first evidence of submarine art in the IJN ! a roaring Tiger !



WOW miner ! this is Xmas !!!

keltos

[I'm goin' down]

what a relief. :D I thought I was missing out on all of the fun.:wah:

[keltos01]

Undisclosed portion of the Navy



Ko Hyoteki attack movie

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/5110/53812469.jpg (http://img694.imageshack.us/i/53812469.jpg/)


http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/2200/smallsub.jpg (http://img30.imageshack.us/i/smallsub.jpg/)

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/8154/54568116.jpg (http://img684.imageshack.us/i/54568116.jpg/)

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/4972/midgetperiscope.jpg (http://img29.imageshack.us/i/midgetperiscope.jpg/)

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/3899/pearlharbormidgetmoviei.jpg (http://img683.imageshack.us/i/pearlharbormidgetmoviei.jpg/)

Pearl Harbor after attack ?

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/8549/ijnperiscopekohyoteki.jpg (http://img30.imageshack.us/i/ijnperiscopekohyoteki.jpg/)

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/7655/kohyotekiperiscope2.jpg (http://img710.imageshack.us/i/kohyotekiperiscope2.jpg/)


Ko Hyoteki periscope - binocular

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_0XeUNifA8&feature=related

another japanese sub movie ! in training ?


same quality as Gochin

keltos

[keltos01]

IJN Tiger emblem on both sides of the tower of the Type A1 submarine :

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9776/tiger1h.jpg (http://img13.imageshack.us/i/tiger1h.jpg/)

http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/8034/tigerdq.jpg (http://img682.imageshack.us/i/tigerdq.jpg/)


http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/3918/tigerg.jpg (http://img63.imageshack.us/i/tigerg.jpg/)


I love the Tiger !

keltos

[Jten]

For what it's worth to you.

From December 18 to 24, 1941, nine Japanese submarines along the U.S. west coast attacked eight American merchants sinking two and damaging two . It was the only time that more than one Japanese submarine patrolled the American coast.

On December 10, the 12 subs placed around Pearl Harbor were informed that an American carrier was heading for the U.S. mainland. Nine subs were ordered to pursue and sink it then take up positions at designated sites and attack American merchant ships. On Christmas Eve the subs were ordered to shell selected U.S. cities and lighthouses. After expending all of their 5.5-inch shells, they were to retire to Kwajalein in the Marshall Islands.


I also have read that as the war progressed, Japanese subs were hindered by the US breaking of their naval codes and a bad habit of shelling the enemy coast at the end of their patrol so they could claim having fired upon enemy soil. These two details allowed the US to intercept the subs on their return course.

[keltos01]

IJN Type A1 submarine (I-10) :

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/7503/ijna1tower.jpg (http://img39.imageshack.us/i/ijna1tower.jpg/)

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/5162/a1tower.jpg (http://img24.imageshack.us/i/a1tower.jpg/)


I am finalizing the tower of this precursor of the Jyunsen B.


Keltos

[difool2]

I wonder how much havoc the IJN could have caused with the Allied supply lines in the Pacific if they had allowed their subs to launch a dedicated anti-merchant campaign.

[keltos01]

I wonder how much havoc the IJN could have caused with the Allied supply lines in the Pacific if they had allowed their subs to launch a dedicated anti-merchant campaign.

it would have been devastating...

they had the best torpedoes and subs with up to 8 fore tubes..

(un)fortunately they never really sank merchants but for the Indian Ocean where they had their share of successes.

keltos

[Shinbou Hakugei]

By the way - I have question about US merchant shipping at Pacific. I cannot find sources about US convoy system at Pacific. It seems, all merchant traffic between West Coast and Hawaii, between Panama and Fiji, between Fiji and Australia, etc was absolutely unprotected. Only traffic between main bases and battle areas, made by NAVY freighters (AKA, AE, AO ships, etc), was protected by destroyer escorts.

Here is a pre-war maps, which will help (I hope) to create merchant traffic layers for Japanese campaign. :salute:

http://lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/pacific_islands_1943_1945/shipping_routes_national_interest.jpg

http://lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/pacific_islands_1943_1945/shipping_routes_traffic_density.jpg

[keltos01]

thanks !

keltos

[keltos01]

IJN type C3 (I-52) submarine WIP

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/5255/80465382.jpg (http://img64.imageshack.us/i/80465382.jpg/)


tower :

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/4608/c3towerport.jpg (http://img109.imageshack.us/i/c3towerport.jpg/)

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/2655/c3towerstarboard.jpg (http://img191.imageshack.us/i/c3towerstarboard.jpg/)


this tower model is mine but for the X antenna and periscope sheers.

hull is that of JB for the moment.

characteristics all set to that of the C3.

needs AO maps for the tower, and better textures etc..

keltos

[keltos01]

new C3 tower :

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/5179/45439069.jpg (http://img705.imageshack.us/i/45439069.jpg/)


http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/1241/47101588.jpg (http://img690.imageshack.us/i/47101588.jpg/)

[difool2]

Of course, if we assume that the Japanese would have gone for the merchants in a dedicated way, those convoys would have grown some escorts rather quickly. Thus we could have completely historical convoys, and ones for this alternate universe where the US reacts to the threat.

[peabody]

Here is a pre-war maps, which will help (I hope) to create merchant traffic layers for Japanese campaign. :salute:


Thank you very much for the maps, it is appreciated. It is hard to find info on traffic for the US on the net (at least I had a hard time with it) I find were they were but not how they got there.

Peabody

[keltos01]

Kaidai 3a tower

[/URL]http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/9157/i55a.jpg (http://www.worldweapons.eu/1-Warships/Japan/10-SS/1927%20-%20KD3a/index_warships_foto_japan_ss-i55.htm)

[URL]http://www.worldweapons.eu/1-Warships/Japan/10-SS/1927%20-%20KD3a/index_warships_foto_japan_ss-i55.htm

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/9435/kaidai3b.jpg (http://img163.imageshack.us/i/kaidai3b.jpg/)



http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/783/towerkd3b.jpg (http://img41.imageshack.us/i/towerkd3b.jpg/)http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/8914/towerkd3b2.jpg (http://img709.imageshack.us/i/towerkd3b2.jpg/)

in S3D :

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/2269/kd3btower.jpg (http://img37.imageshack.us/i/kd3btower.jpg/)

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/2148/ssi58b.jpg (http://img190.imageshack.us/i/ssi58b.jpg/)

not perfect (yet) but it shows the 2 levels of windows that tower had. someone mentionned my KD3B tower to be too much like the KD6.woops this is a Kaidai 3a tower !!! now we need a hull with 8 fore tubes like the C2 type, this was the main reason I didn't build this sub at first : we were lacking the 8 tubes which we now have !

3b tower is the same, more rounded prow and no second windows row.


and then we notice they only had 6000 miles range at 16 knots (10000 at 10 knots, good enough !)... too short for our goals ?:hmmm:


keltos

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

My Grandfather was a USN convoy commodore for convoys between the West US Coast and Peal and other points. There were indeed escorts, DD usually with a light Cruiser sometimes for Convoy commodore or he chose the fastest merchie or a DD squadrom flagship as his flag. I have some of his war diaries and logs, but they are in San Diego and I am in Colorado buried under too much snow. Convoy protocol was similar to usual practice on other oceans, and in the Atlantic, comvoys formed up and set signals and formation practices at captains conferences on outset, convoy escorts had their own command structure but worked closely under the orders of the Convoy commodore. Much of the day to day and overall routine was top secret, and my grandfather did encounter Japanese subs which did make attacks but none were successful on his runs. All of this was kept secret even after the war and then was quickly obselete in the concerns for the Cold War new sub doctrine and so much of the actual history was lost or is buried in archives that are pre computer and becomeing more and more inacessible

Part of my problem is tho my Grandfather took copious notes and even had several articles published in popular magazines ....his writiing is so bad, such a terrible chicken scrawl that we can really not read much of what he wrote. I wish i could be of more help, but much of his logs were in code as well, his own, and shorthand for the events of the convoys.... routine but highly complex trying to get 50 or 60 ships zig zagging at high speed across the ocean coordinated with escorts and air partrols across the width of the Pacific. Not an easy job at all.

[peabody]

My Grandfather was a USN convoy commodore for convoys between the West US Coast and Peal and other points. There were indeed escorts, DD usually with a light Cruiser sometimes for Convoy commodore or he chose the fastest merchie or a DD squadrom flagship as his flag. I have some of his war diaries and logs, but they are in San Diego and I am in Colorado buried under too much snow. Convoy protocol was similar to usual practice on other oceans, and in the Atlantic, comvoys formed up and set signals and formation practices at captains conferences on outset, convoy escorts had their own command structure but worked closely under the orders of the Convoy commodore. Much of the day to day and overall routine was top secret, and my grandfather did encounter Japanese subs which did make attacks but none were successful on his runs. All of this was kept secret even after the war and then was quickly obselete in the concerns for the Cold War new sub doctrine and so much of the actual history was lost or is buried in archives that are pre computer and becomeing more and more inacessible

Part of my problem is tho my Grandfather took copious notes and even had several articles published in popular magazines ....his writiing is so bad, such a terrible chicken scrawl that we can really not read much of what he wrote. I wish i could be of more help, but much of his logs were in code as well, his own, and shorthand for the events of the convoys.... routine but highly complex trying to get 50 or 60 ships zig zagging at high speed across the ocean coordinated with escorts and air partrols across the width of the Pacific. Not an easy job at all.

Thanks Admiral, you always have the info, and a story to go along with it. Too bad you can't read the logs, I bet they would be really interesting.

Peabody

[keltos01]

New site with IJN submarines data :

http://www.worldweapons.eu/1-Warships/Japan/index_warship_class_japan.htm

decent pictures and good data.

makes three such sites with combinedfleet.com being the best ?

keltos

[keltos01]

Kaidai 3a

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/3159/kaidai3a.jpg (http://img140.imageshack.us/i/kaidai3a.jpg/)

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/8670/kadai3a.jpg (http://img121.imageshack.us/i/kadai3a.jpg/)

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/3159/kaidai3a.jpg (http://img301.imageshack.us/i/kaidai3a.jpg/)

ingame :

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/4508/kaidai3atower.jpg (http://img63.imageshack.us/i/kaidai3atower.jpg/)


http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/3159/kaidai3a.jpg (http://img691.imageshack.us/i/kaidai3a.jpg/)



Have a Good New Year's Eve !


keltos

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Keltos these IJN subs are getting better and better, great work! I wish i could come thru with some more info on them for you have stcuk out so far digging with the sources i have.... will keep hoping you can turn things up that you need. Amazing so little is easy to get about the IJN, after the war they had a ton of material and then i guess it either got shelved and lost now that we are digital in most archives or just tossed or taken back by the Japanese..i suspect they have a lot of stuff that they dont share. But dont know for sure.

i will keep trying.

[keltos01]

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/8702/gunscopy.jpg

My understanding is that we now have quite a large amount of items in our mod such as :

submarine classes
submarine torpedo types
AA guns
Deck Gun Types
Radars
Hydrophones

the number of which can be confusing for the IJN beginner player.

So I decided to gather most of the data I collected on IJN subs and weapons and put it into one document available to all. Sources for the documents, chan available, are mentionned.

though not fully complete now this document covers the bold items of the above list.

included in it are the credits for the people who helped us, I sure hope that I didn't ommit anyone but if that were the case, please pm me and I'll revise the version.


keltos

download :

http://www.mediafire.com/file/yyhkiymiiqg/Submarines and submarine torpedoes of the Jyunsen B mod v1.1.pdf

[peabody]

included in it are the credits for the people who helped us, I sure hope that I didn't ommit anyone but if that were the case, please pm me and I'll revise the version.


Admiral Von Gerlach has sent me tons of links and info on the Japanese.

Peabody

[Bubblehead1980]

Hard to believe that most traffic was unescorted, esp given what happened on east coast of US in 1942 with German U Boats.Even if it bends history a little, makes for a much more interesting game when some of the singles have an escort of some type.Esp important ships like tankers or large freighters.





[quote=Shinbou Hakugei;1226480]By the way - I have question about US merchant shipping at Pacific. I cannot find sources about US convoy system at Pacific. It seems, all merchant traffic between West Coast and Hawaii, between Panama and Fiji, between Fiji and Australia, etc was absolutely unprotected. Only traffic between main bases and battle areas, made by NAVY freighters (AKA, AE, AO ships, etc), was protected by destroyer escorts.

Here is a pre-war maps, which will help (I hope) to create merchant traffic layers for Japanese campaign. :salute:

[keltos01]

IJN Type 92 7.7mm Rotating MG/Lewis MG

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/4084/aa77mm4.jpg (http://img192.imageshack.us/i/aa77mm4.jpg/)

3d model : miner1436
texture, uv and AO map : keltos

yet another missing gun ! thanks to miner for a beautiful mode :up:

keltos

[Wolfpack721]

Hello everybody!

I'm a Hungarian subsim-fanatic. Now I play with SH3 and SH4 with U-boat Missions ext. pack. I should be glad to sail under the Japanese flag too. How can I do that? What have I do?
Is there a patch or an extension pack you made? And if yes: installing it makes the present saves useless as the previous patches did?

[peabody]

Hello everybody!

I'm a Hungarian subsim-fanatic. Now I play with SH3 and SH4 with U-boat Missions ext. pack. I should be glad to sail under the Japanese flag too. How can I do that? What have I do?
Is there a patch or an extension pack you made? And if yes: installing it makes the present saves useless as the previous patches did?


Welcome Wolfpack721, unfortunately the Japanese Campaign is not finished. And your saves will not work with it when we get it done.

Peabody

[Wolfpack721]

Welcome Wolfpack721, unfortunately the Japanese Campaign is not finished. And your saves will not work with it when we get it done.

Peabody

Thanx for your swift answer, Peabody.
So I will have to restart the American and German campaigns again. But it will worth...
I hope the campaign will be ready in a short time. When will it be completed in your plans?

Wolfpack

[peabody]

Thanx for your swift answer, Peabody.
So I will have to restart the American and German campaigns again. But it will worth...
I hope the campaign will be ready in a short time. When will it be completed in your plans?

Wolfpack

It should have been done long ago, but real life hit me right smack between the eyes. I just had to change priorities. So it is being worked on, I am afraid the first release will be very much Beta. Everything should work fine, but it won't have a lot of things I had planned.
The big difference from the 'stock' game will be more contact with Warships. The Japanese believed the way to win the war was to attack our Pacific Fleet not out supply ships and that is what we decided to do. Even though the Japanese didn't have much success, we hope you will when it is done.
There will also be shelling of the beaches before the US invasions, so a lot of action.

Peabody.

[I-25]

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7594/300pxi52.jpg (http://img12.imageshack.us/i/300pxi52.jpg/)



keltos

just to be sure you know that this is the I-152

also on that I-52 3d model the hull is amazing o.O but the tower seems off to me. to squarish looking.

also the I-52 had 2 deck type99 double mounts AA guns right behind the tower and as far as i know this was the only fullsize japanese sub with AA's mounted on the deck

[miner1436]

Are the limber holes on the I-52 correct? I would expect them to be more like the Junsen B class.

[keltos01]

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5746/i52andmir.gif (http://img3.imageshack.us/i/i52andmir.gif/)

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1773/conningtower1.jpg (http://img46.imageshack.us/i/conningtower1.jpg/)

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/3900/i52deck.jpg (http://img190.imageshack.us/i/i52deck.jpg/)

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9861/l6d76e8a42e344a7fa579ef.jpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/i/l6d76e8a42e344a7fa579ef.jpg/)

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/7057/i52today.jpg (http://img46.imageshack.us/i/i52today.jpg/)


http://www.operationrisingsun.com/main.html

http://edgeoftheearthvp.com/picture.html

limber holes :

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/3555/lfd67820f59fe403f869aa8.jpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/i/lfd67820f59fe403f869aa8.jpg/)

Are the limber holes on the I-52 correct? I would expect them to be more like the Junsen B class.

Yes indeed but I think there was only one RL picture taken, maybe there are some on the I-52 sub exploration mission

wish I had high resolution pictures of this sub...

keltos

[I-25]

i think miner is right about the limber holes. they should go back down


http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5746/i52andmir.gif

here you can kind of see the curve in the limberholes were it goes back down.

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3948/i52.jpg

the whole gun splash deflector was never on that class of sub was never completed with a forward deck gun.

heres a better layout (except the bow seems a bit off)

http://www.operationrisingsun.com/I-52planII.jpg



James Dziadulewicz's 3d model is excellent in terms of skill but it suffers from multiple sources...
He must of came across pictures of the I-152 when it was still named the I-52 and mixed features of them both. thats where he whole deckgun and splash guard come from, i see this a lot because most people dont understand the whole IJN renumbering sequence

On Christmas Eve the subs were ordered to shell selected U.S. cities and lighthouses. After expending all of their 5.5-inch shells, they were to retire to Kwajalein in the Marshall Islands.


I also have read that as the war progressed, Japanese subs were hindered by the US breaking of their naval codes and a bad habit of shelling the enemy coast at the end of their patrol so they could claim having fired upon enemy soil. These two details allowed the US to intercept the subs on their return course.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/smartdark/user_offline.gif http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/smartdark/quote.gif (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1224423)

the Xmas shelling thing was canceled at the last min.
and only on 3 occasions did they bombard the US coast always under orders.
the I-17 an oil field in santa barbara
the I-25 at Ft. steven in oregon
and the I-26 Pt. Estevan light house at puget sound

(srry to the mods for a huge pic)

[Wolfpack721]

Hi Peabody!

I hope I will receive your extension pack of these Japanese missions. (I hope in a total campaign...)
I can offer all my help. I'm not a programmer, I can't help with software tips or something similar... I'm just a user. But I can help with historical details, because I am a modeler and a submarine fanatic. :salute:
My e-mail adress: atiraptor@vipmail.hu
Yours sincerely:

Atilla

(In SH sims: Atilex Guyon)

[keltos01]

Hi Peabody!

I hope I will receive your extension pack of these Japanese missions. (I hope in a total campaign...)
I can offer all my help. I'm not a programmer, I can't help with software tips or something similar... I'm just a user. But I can help with historical details, because I am a modeler and a submarine fanatic. :salute:
My e-mail adress: atiraptor@vipmail.hu
Yours sincerely:

Atilla

(In SH sims: Atilex Guyon)

thank you and Welcome to Subsim ! :yeah:

keltos

[keltos01]

found a World War 2 Japanese Submarine Ship's Clock Seikosha on ebay :

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/6667/ijnsubmarineclock.jpg (http://img694.imageshack.us/i/ijnsubmarineclock.jpg/)

I used it to replace the german cloack still ingame.

[/URL][URL="http://img695.imageshack.us/i/ijnclock2.jpg/"]http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/1051/ijnclock2.jpg (http://img695.imageshack.us/i/ijnclock.jpg/)

keltos

[keltos01]

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/2108/sentaka.jpg (http://img37.imageshack.us/i/sentaka.jpg/)

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7642/sentaka3.jpg (http://img21.imageshack.us/i/sentaka3.jpg/)

crash diving after shooting all 4 tubes !

model : fair_weather
implementation : keltos


keltos

[keltos01]

New items :

Type 88 periscope view improved by Hitman and Peabody

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/948/c2ijnscope.jpg (http://img713.imageshack.us/i/c2ijnscope.jpg/)

Upper and lower torpedo rooms for the Type C2 submarine :



Crew screen :

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/9610/upperandlowertorproomsc.jpg (http://img200.imageshack.us/i/upperandlowertorproomsc.jpg/)

Damage screen :

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/17/torploadoutc2.jpg (http://img130.imageshack.us/i/torploadoutc2.jpg/)

Loadout screen :

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/17/torploadoutc2.jpg (http://img196.imageshack.us/i/torploadoutc2.jpg/)

]http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/6899/bclassblueprintswj9comp.jpg (http://img515.imageshack.us/i/bclassblueprintswj9comp.jpg/)

Quarters Electrical engine Diesel Engine Command Room/diving stations Quarters Bow torpedo room

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/3821/i47.jpg (http://img251.imageshack.us/i/i47.jpg/)

http://www.fischer-tropsch.org/primary_documents/gvt_reports/USNAVY/USNTMJ%20Reports/USNTMJ-200G-0022-0055%20Report%20S-01-1.pdf

this is the setup on a Jyunsen B, I didn't have good enough a blueprint and legend so I couldn't figure out the rest of the stuff, but IJN subs were based on roughly the same layout
adding a stern torpedo room on some not on others, and of course the two bow rooms for subs with 8 bow tubes (easier to load I guess).

there was an aft quarters and two bow ones, not represented ingame..

so we actually are missing areas that can be damaged and that help with the overal flotation of the boat

there is something on the blueprint aft of the stern quarters, some kind of machinery ?



I'm starting to get that IJN feel !


keltos

[keltos01]

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/1528/sentoku.jpg (http://img693.imageshack.us/i/sentoku.jpg/)

two bow torpedo rooms as should be ! :DL

keltos

[Bubblehead1980]

great work! cant wait to play the IJN side one of these days

[keltos01]

great work! cant wait to play the IJN side one of these days

:D

keltos

[keltos01]

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9197/ijnperiscopedata.jpg (http://img199.imageshack.us/i/ijnperiscopedata.jpg/)


http://www.fischer-tropsch.org/primary_documents/gvt_reports/USNAVY/USNTMJ%20Reports/USNTMJ-200G-0695-0924%20Report%20S-01-7.pdf


So it seems the actual US periscope view with the azimuth might be mistaken !!!!

Keltos

[aanker]

Undisclosed portion of the Navy

Ko Hyoteki attack movie

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/5110/53812469.jpg (http://img694.imageshack.us/i/53812469.jpg/)


http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/2200/smallsub.jpg (http://img30.imageshack.us/i/smallsub.jpg/)

......

Pearl Harbor after attack ?


Ko Hyoteki periscope - binocular

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_0XeUNifA8&feature=related

another japanese sub movie ! in training ?


same quality as Gochin

keltos
Nice project keltos! (and spellbinding thread )

海軍 未公開部分 - "Unpublished portion of the Navy" - (this google translate firefox extension really works! ;-)

Anyway, I recognize these and the youtube clip from a documentary I saw that described them as from a wartime Japanese propaganda movie. The documentary went on to say that this film was showing the spacious interiors of the mini-subs, the Japanese film version (using models) of the Pearl Harbor attack, and submarine duty, when in reality of course the interiors were much more compact.

Art

[keltos01]

Nice project keltos! (and spellbinding thread )
:D:D

Anyway, I recognize these and the youtube clip from a documentary I saw that described them as from a wartime Japanese propaganda movie. The documentary went on to say that this film was showing the spacious interiors of the mini-subs, the Japanese film version (using models) of the Pearl Harbor attack, and submarine duty, when in reality of course the interiors were much more compact.

Art

would you happen to know the name of the documentary ? thanks for the info btw ! and glad :D you like our thread !

keltos

[keltos01]

Hi!

We are now at version 3.7 released, and version IJN Jyunsen B mod v 3.9.6 (non released) for the testers.

Just a quick note to let you know that all of our subs (14 of them) are now playable in campaign and single missions. We are still debating whether or not to include the Ko Hyoteki, this unit would then only be available for single missions (Pearl Harbor, Diego Suarez, Guadalcanal ..)

In mod subs are :

A1
AM
C3
JB
JB2
JB3
C2
J1M
Kaichu (not to be in the campaign)
Kaidai 3a
Kaidai 3b
Kaidai 4
Sen Taka
Sen Toku (WIP)



Keltos

[Nit]

Keltos, do you have plan to include Kaichu 6 to the campaign?
I think it will be very interesting

[keltos01]

Keltos, do you have plan to include Kaichu 6 to the campaign?
I think it will be very interesting

not for now, we are polishing up the existing subs, and it had a short range didn't it ? 5000 miles at 16 knots.

http://www.combinedfleet.com/type_kaichu.htm

keltos

[Nit]

Yes you are right. But it were the best medium displacement boats of the Imperial Japanese Navy and they had very rich military life. I think it would be very interestingly for the campaign.

PS. Kaichu 5 (RO-33, RO-34) had 8000 miles at 12 knots and Kaichu 6 (RO-35 and following) had 5000 miles at 16 knots

[keltos01]

Yes you are right. But it were the best medium displacement boats of the Imperial Japanese Navy and they had very rich military life. I think it would be very interestingly for the campaign.

PS. Kaichu 5 (RO-33, RO-34) had 8000 miles at 12 knots and Kaichu 6 (RO-35 and following) had 5000 miles at 16 knots


do you have a 3d model of one ?

then yes 8000 miles at 12 knots would be acceptable

keltos

[Nit]

do you have a 3d model of one ?
No of course (* lamentation and weeping *). But all of us have Keltos which can create a miracle.:)

[aanker]

would you happen to know the name of the documentary ? thanks for the info btw ! and glad :D you like our thread !

keltos
Searching......

I hate comcast, they have almost everything "on demand" on channel #1 here where I live and after digging there - no results so far.

Wow, the internet is full of bad misleading information.... so is TV. Reading some of these boards reminds me of that person giving history lessons on "another" forum when SH4 first came out until they were busted by someone who knew the facts.

Searching......
I'm thinking it was "UNSOLVED HISTORY" "Myths of Pearl Harbor" narrated by a female.

Must be produced by ABC?
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=97715&page=1

UNSOLVED HISTORY of the MIDGET SUBS OF PEARL HARBOR.

Searching MILCH to see when its on in the near future:
http://military.discovery.com/tv-schedules/series.html?paid=52.14704.117544.30860.x
http://military.discovery.com/tv-schedules/series.html?paid=52.14704.117544.30860.1

Feb 17, 2:00 pm (60 minutes) Myths of Pearl Harbor Part 1
Feb 17, 3:00 pm (60 minutes) Myths of Pearl Harbor Part 2

Feb 19, 7:00 am Myths of Pearl Harbor Part 1
Feb 19, 8:00 am Myths of Pearl Harbor Part 2

Feb 20, 4:00 am Myths of Pearl Harbor Part 1
Feb 20, 5:00 am Myths of Pearl Harbor Part 2More searching.......

Here it is! - I'm watching it right now - I think this is both part one and part two. Your guys above are about 10 minutes in...
http://johnlocker.com/all-videos/us-history/the-myths-of-pearl-harbor.html
thats:
johnlocker.com/all-videos/us-history/the-myths-of-pearl-harbor.html

Happy Hunting!

Art

Edit: Tons of results on Google: (pardon the pun)
video.google.com
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3562066694749779812&ei=O7R1S6GcCYr8qAOtzLynBw&q=Myths+of+Pearl+Harbor#

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Myths+of+Pearl+Harbor&emb=0&aq=f#
cool !!

[keltos01]

thanks ! nice video !

keltos

[keltos01]

a little text in return :03:



During the attack on Pearl Harbor on 7 December 1941 I-17 patrolled north of Oahu. Its mission was to reconnoiter and engage any ships that tried to sortie from Pearl Harbor.[1] I-17 proceeded to a patrol station off Cape Mendocino following the attack on Pearl Harbor. The 6912-ton General Petroleum tanker SS Emidio was sailing in ballast from Seattle, Washington enroute to San Pedro, California. I-17 hit the tanker with five 14-cm shells in the early afternoon of 20 December 1941. The tanker was within sight of land, and survivors reached the Blunt Reef lightship in lifeboats.

The tanker drifted north onto rocks off Crescent City, California where the wreck remained until scrapped in 1959. A scheduled shelling of American coastal cities on Christmas eve of 1941 was canceled because of the frequency of coastal air and surface patrols.[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_submarine_I-17


what 5 5.5 inch shells can do ! :D

and yes we have them modelled in game !



keltos

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

good to see the progress. :)

[keltos01]

Modified bow on the Jyunsen B

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/175/jb2.jpg (http://img175.imageshack.us/i/jb2.jpg/)

Miner advised me to change the bow tubes for those of the C3, done.

I think it looks better too.

keltos

[keltos01]

New Jyunsen B hull

http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/5387/jbnew.jpg (http://img697.imageshack.us/i/jbnew.jpg/)

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/7927/jbnew2.jpg (http://img692.imageshack.us/i/jbnew2.jpg/)

bottom hull new texture :

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/512/jbnew3.jpg (http://img696.imageshack.us/i/jbnew3.jpg/)

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/3470/jbnew4.jpg (http://img691.imageshack.us/i/jbnew4.jpg/)

Our workhorse has a new hull, new AO map, new texture.

New Bow planes and bow planes animation (they go in a recess in the hull when not in use)

keltos

[keltos01]

any clue on how not to have the tower look so pale underwater ?


keltos

[miner1436]

any clue on how not to have the tower look so pale underwater ?


keltos
In the tower.dat, you have to delete the model that is attached to the main node, create a child node and attach the model to it.

[OneDominatus]

Any news? This mod and the Baltic one are IMO the most anticipated mods in all the forums :)

[keltos01]

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/8702/gunscopy.jpghttp://img692.imageshack.us/img692/7927/jbnew2.jpg


The campaign is coming don't worry !

keltos

[keltos01]

and I know for a fact that Peabody's got quite a few surprises in stock for us !

[peabody]

and I know for a fact that Peabody's got quite a few surprises in stock for us ! Not if I don't find more free time in real life.
One "eye candy" addition to the IJN Campaign.

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9987/carriertakeoff.jpg


Peabody

[spike12]

Cool.aircraft carriers that ACTUALLY launch aircraft.:yeah::rock:

[keltos01]

Not if I don't find more free time in real life.
One "eye candy" addition to the IJN Campaign.

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9987/carriertakeoff.jpg


Peabody

I tested it and it looks awesome ingame ! those carrier actually launch Avengers aircraft ! makes all the more immersing !!

why not post the movie on Utube ? and a link here ?

:yeah::yeah:

keltos

[Bubblehead1980]

too cool, always wanted to be able to watch planes take off while my torpedos are heading for their mothership:salute:

[keltos01]

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/9987/carriertakeoff.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcneBeK0Rws


you tube video of planes flying off a flattop !


mod by Peabody, IJN campaign Climb Mount Niitaka

[McHibbins]

Wow.....speechless.....

I´m really looking forward for this mod. Always nice to have options and playing "the other side".
What environment mod are you going to include ?

[keltos01]

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/3681/ribc.jpg (http://img80.imageshack.us/i/ribc.jpg/)


Wow.....speechless.....

I´m really looking forward for this mod. Always nice to have options and playing "the other side".
What environment mod are you going to include ?


I don't know really, but the RIB mod I'm working on (see Jyunsen B thread) is based on RFB 2.0 with LukeFF's agreement, I think that one includes Pacific Environment ?

It adds a new damage model made by Observer and LukeFF for a few allied ships, new planes, bombs etc..


d/l version 1.0 of Real I-Boat (add-on for the Jyunsen B mod):

http://www.filefront.com/15873255/RIB-Real-I-Boat.7z/

keltos

[keltos01]

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/3539/flattop.jpg (http://img716.imageshack.us/i/flattop.jpg/)

They are launching planes !!! those torpedo planes must not be allowed to attack our fleet !

[rod_oil]

All i can do is wait until release... This mod is Number One mod in my wishlist for SH4! :up:

Domo arigato gozaimasu! (Thank you very much!)

[keltos01]

All i can do is wait until release... This mod is Number One mod in my wishlist for SH4! :up:

Domo arigato gozaimasu! (Thank you very much!)

you're welcome ! ;)

[Captain von Keldunk]

http://www.pix8.net/pro/pic/22671f80ce/1153878.jpg
What do you think does japanese sub soup taste better than german sub
soup. Kaidan7 I-77 in jab Movie Battle under Orion. :D

[keltos01]

http://www.pix8.net/pro/pic/22671f80ce/1153878.jpg
What do you think does japanese sub soup taste better than german sub
soup. Kaidan7 I-77 in jab Movie Battle under Orion. :D

definetely !

where can I find that movie ?

what's the storyline ?

regards

keltos

[tater]

Manatsu no Orion

"The Official Word from Japan is that Orion will be released in March on
Blu-ray and DVD BUT there will be no English subtitles. No word on when
a subtitled version will appear."

[Captain von Keldunk]

Hello
I bought dvd with English subtitles in Finland in store .:D
Here is youtupe link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYSRYzkNRmo
Battle under orion is like Japanese Das boot.:DL
It is mainly about I-77 (Kaidai 7) vs us destroyer.:woot:

[tater]

Do you have a link for the store?

[keltos01]

talking about MAD etc..

Honestly not sure, we didn't have much trouble sinking IJN subs without MAD, LOL.

The IJN campaign should have objectives that require the boat make a contact report at noon at a specific lat/long, then have a decent % of those meeting have a USN ASW asset (sub, ideally) waiting for them, LOL.

I guess you're referring to the cracked IJN code ? ;)

keltos

[tater]

Yeah. If you read Blair, or books by various skippers, there were quite a few times when US boats were sent to a specific spot, and like clockwork an IJN sub showed up for its doom.

[Captain von Keldunk]

Do you have a link for the store?
Update to subtitles I have a nordic version with subtitles to
Finnish, Swedish and Norwegian only but googled and found at least one
link with english subtitles link http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-7k-49-en-70-3s7q.html (http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-7k-49-en-70-3s7q.html:salute:):salute:
It is a Hong Kong version:woot:

[tater]

Thank you, sir!

[keltos01]

any data on where they got their intel on what the inside of a Kaidai sub looked like ?

keltos

[Ducimus]

I thought this video i found on youtube might be relevant to IJN interests.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC8ZgGgHgcM

:salute:

[keltos01]

I thought this video i found on youtube might be relevant to IJN interests.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC8ZgGgHgcM

:salute:

nice images ! thanks Ducimus !

keltos

ps music a bit repetitive though...

[peabody]

I thought this video i found on youtube might be relevant to IJN interests.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC8ZgGgHgcM

:salute:

Thanks Ducimus, I think they had some pretty impressive looking ships.

Peabody

[McHibbins]

So soon we´ll getting 3 subsims in one box eh ?:) I´m really looking forward to it:up:
Satus of the mod ?

[keltos01]

So soon we´ll getting 3 subsims in one box eh ?:) I´m really looking forward to it:up:
Satus of the mod ?

ongoing ;)

we have the RIB (Real i-Boat) nearly done , the damage model seems ok, the subs need some more work but most of them are near completion, we have the MAD IJN mod close to done, so we are coming close... how many times did I write that ? ;)

keltos

[keltos01]

One thing we missed so far : we should have better crew visual sensors than the US/Germans since they had those huge 20 cm binoculars on bridge, not just the small ones you hang around your neck !

so they could see ships from further away, and see better at night too.

keltos

[peabody]

One thing we missed so far : we should have better crew visual sensors than the US/Germans since they had those huge 20 cm binoculars on bridge, not just the small ones you hang around your neck !

so they could see ships from further away, and see better at night too.

keltos

But do you know the magnification power of those binoculars, this is one case where size doesn't matter. You can have small bnoculars and large ones with the same magnification, but the larger ones will allow in more light for a brighter image.
Unless your binoculars are very poor or the object is very small the actual limiting factor would be the curvature of the earth. (or of course fog or rain)

Peabody

[Deutschland]

Fastastic mod, Japanese Campaign!!
Thanks PEABODY and all who help..
Japan deserves..the japanese (IJN) had the largest Subs of WW2!!
and they were amazing and advanced subs!.
The I400 Sen Toku were unique!! they carry 2 planes.. they're Carriers and subs at same time, fantastic!!!

Note: Please finish this great work!!
Thanks, friends.. and good hunting, under..

[keltos01]

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/9117/imperialnavybinoculars.jpg (http://img94.imageshack.us/i/imperialnavybinoculars.jpg/)

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This is a Huge pair of World War Two Japanese Imperial Navy Binoculars. These were removed from a Japanese battleship at the close of World War Two The brass tag indicates they were manufactured by Nikko and are model No. 20 and 20 x 3 size.
They weigh 40 pounds and are 26" long x 17" wide, the front lens opening is 6". The optics are clear with no bubbles cracks nor spots.

http://snyderstreasures.com/pages/optics.htm


found another :

THE SIZE OF THIS BINOCULAR IS 19 INCHES LONG BY 9 INCHES WIDE APPROX

THE MAGNIFICATION OF THESE JAPANESE BINOCULARS IS 15 x 80 WITH A 4 DEGREE FIELD OF VIEW

http://andysmilitarysurplus.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=843

[peabody]

THE SIZE OF THIS BINOCULAR IS 19 INCHES LONG BY 9 INCHES WIDE APPROX

THE MAGNIFICATION OF THESE JAPANESE BINOCULARS IS 15 x 80 WITH A 4 DEGREE FIELD OF VIEW



And here is a pair of 15X binoculars that are 8.46 long and 5 wide.

Magnification

15x


Brand

Swarovski


Dimensions (in)

2.8H x 8.46L x 5.04W inches



I am not saying they had these during WWII but simply that size is not the determining factor. The first number in binoculars is the magnification, the second is the diameter of the front lens element. So these both have the same magnification but very different sizes.
A lot of the "bigger" binoculars are only to accommodate larger lens elements to allow more light in for low light conditions. But that advantage will be lost in bright light because of the size of the exit pupil which should attempt to match the size of your pupil, and in bright light your pupil is smaller.

When magnification and quality is equal, the larger the second binocular number, the brighter the image as well as the sharper the image. An 8x40, then, will produce a brighter and sharper image than an 8x25, even though both enlarge the image an identical eight times.

So the fact that the Japanese subs had large binoculars does not 'necessarily' mean they had more magnification. That would have to be researched to find out what the US wore around their neck compared to what was mounted on each sub.

I have been doing photography for about 35 years and when it comes to optics there are a LOT of things that come into play other than size.

Peabody

[keltos01]

And here is a pair of 15X binoculars that are 8.46 long and 5 wide.

Magnification

15x


Brand

Swarovski


Dimensions (in)

2.8H x 8.46L x 5.04W inches



I am not saying they had these during WWII but simply that size is not the determining factor. The first number in binoculars is the magnification, the second is the diameter of the front lens element. So these both have the same magnification but very different sizes.
A lot of the "bigger" binoculars are only to accommodate larger lens elements to allow more light in for low light conditions. But that advantage will be lost in bright light because of the size of the exit pupil which should attempt to match the size of your pupil, and in bright light your pupil is smaller.



So the fact that the Japanese subs had large binoculars does not 'necessarily' mean they had more magnification. That would have to be researched to find out what the US wore around their neck compared to what was mounted on each sub.

I have been doing photography for about 35 years and when it comes to optics there are a LOT of things that come into play other than size.

Peabody

thanks, will try and do some more research on the IJN ones !

keltos

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Checking in :)

[CapnScurvy]

Hi keltos01 and Peabody, it's been a while!!

I've run across these photos of Japanese submarine lookouts and thought they would be of interest. What's important to note on the first photo is the large device in the left background. Something similar (but apparently not the same device) can be found in the other photos. As far as I can tell the device in the first photo on the right is the TBT (UZO) or whatever the Japanese called it.




http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w132/crawlee/Lockout3.png



http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w132/crawlee/Lookout2copy.jpg



http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w132/crawlee/Sunsetcopy.jpg



What are they? I don't know!?!


BUT their big!!! I suspect nose hairs could be counted with 'em.

[peabody]

Hi keltos01 and Peabody, it's been a while!!

I've run across these photos of Japanese submarine lookouts and thought they would be of interest. What's important to note on the first photo is the large device in the left background. Something similar (but apparently not the same device) can be found in the other photos. As far as I can tell the device in the first photo on the right is the TBT (UZO) or whatever the Japanese called it.

What are they? I don't know!?!


BUT their big!!! I suspect nose hairs could be counted with 'em.

Hi CapnScurvy,
Very interesting photos. The first one looks like it might have been scanned from a newpaper the way the pixels are. If it was then it certainly wasn't "top secret" stuff.
The one on the left in pic one looks like it might have a flip up cover and the one on the right does not have the cover flipped up. And in the left one, the very right edge of it, looks very similar to the 'left side' of the one on the right.

Thank you for posting those.

Peabody

[Alfamemnon]

Ubisoft did not do a whole lot of research before making Sh4. Some scources claimed that if submarines were in real life in similar condition than they were in SH games, they would not have been allowed to leave port for war patrol. I would be happy if at least the battery duration is made realistic in the subs of this upcoming mod.

Could it be possible to further take advantage of the fact you successfully implemented planes taking off from aircraft carrier? Such as make the Japanese submarine aircraft carriers for this game so that you could make planes taking off from your submarines deck attack enemy forces and/or scout with little or no danger to your own ship?

Also, please consider having German technology available at least in some form (in case Japanese technology sucks) but it would probably cost a little bit more renown. It is a fact that I-8 and I think the monsoon u-boats, too, managed to bring the Japanese some German blueprints and even ready equipment in spite of the fact sea voyage between German bases such as Bergen, Lorient, Brest etc and Japanese bases such as Penang, Surabaya, Singapore etc was so long and dangerous nothing less than IXD2, Kaidai or Junsen were able to do it. I heard that like uboats, Japanese submarines suffered heavy losses too (though not probably as heavy as 75%) so the IJN submarines were probably affected by the fact Allies had to develop very formidable ASW methods to deal with the uboat menace. This is what I think justifies high technology level for Japanese campaign too if possible to implement.

[keltos01]

Hi CapnScurvy,
Very interesting photos. The first one looks like it might have been scanned from a newpaper the way the pixels are. If it was then it certainly wasn't "top secret" stuff.
The one on the left in pic one looks like it might have a flip up cover and the one on the right does not have the cover flipped up. And in the left one, the very right edge of it, looks very similar to the 'left side' of the one on the right.

Thank you for posting those.

Peabody


aren't those the huge 20 cm binoculars ? there is also an episcope like that of a tank on top of the tower, facing forward but able to turn. I thought that was the TBT/UZO

keltos

[Admiral8Q]

Wow, I just read through all the pages in this thread! :yawn:

Took me about 8 hours! I for one am going to love this mod when it's ready. I always thought it would be cool to try out the Jap side for subs:yeah: I've seen all the progress and speed bumps keltos and peabody have gone through since this was first undertaken. It was hard not to post halfway through reading every post, but it was very educational in the end. I know a LOT more about the IJN submarines now.

As for the optics, I think that Japanese navy watchmen were more well trained when it came to visualy spotting ships or planes. I supose it would be like manually spotting ships in the regular game before the watch does. In one of those videos posted in this thread they used some kind of eyedrops to dialate their pupils at night. So I think there was more factors at work then just technology.

Cheers!:DL

[L.T]

Back in the days CFS2 came around a was one of the few that set out to become a Japanese pilot....In the years to come i flew out numbered with few fellow pilots against the Huge numbers of Hellcats and corsairs..

Then IL2 FB came and one more time i was found on Japanse carrier flying against the online aces of the allied side...

Il2 evolved and me with it, but stil flying under the banner of the 6th IJN..

SH 4 came around....waitet for the Uboot box, roaming the pacific and sometimes sailing a long those carriers i flew of from.....

Now i will have a chanse to sail with them not along with them....

You have no idea how much i apriciate your effort in this..

Tx for your work.....i can wait, simply because i know i soon have a chanse to join my Brothers, not on a DD on the surface but soon be a samurai of the deep....

And that will be my name for the Japanese career...SOD Oiinko

They feared the devine wind....they will soon fear.....the black katana....The sword of the deep...

Lars
Denmark

[Bubblehead1980]

Back in the days CFS2 came around a was one of the few that set out to become a Japanese pilot....In the years to come i flew out numbered with few fellow pilots against the Huge numbers of Hellcats and corsairs..

Then IL2 FB came and one more time i was found on Japanse carrier flying against the online aces of the allied side...

Il2 evolved and me with it, but stil flying under the banner of the 6th IJN..

SH 4 came around....waitet for the Uboot box, roaming the pacific and sometimes sailing a long those carriers i flew of from.....

Now i will have a chanse to sail with them not along with them....

You have no idea how much i apriciate your effort in this..

Tx for your work.....i can wait, simply because i know i soon have a chanse to join my Brothers, not on a DD on the surface but soon be a samurai of the deep....

And that will be my name for the Japanese career...SOD Oiinko

They feared the devine wind....they will soon fear.....the black katana....The sword of the deep...

Lars
Denmark


I loved CFS2 and while I preferred to fly the F4U because it was just great in that sim, I flew for IJN often and when flying against even F4F's but esp F4U and F6F , it was tough, took a lot to bring them down usually and they were fast!.Really wish Microsoft would get back to making CFS and do another in the Pacific, with the advancements made since it's release, could really be great.

[L.T]

I loved CFS2 and while I preferred to fly the F4U because it was just great in that sim, I flew for IJN often and when flying against even F4F's but esp F4U and F6F , it was tough, took a lot to bring them down usually and they were fast!.Really wish Microsoft would get back to making CFS and do another in the Pacific, with the advancements made since it's release, could really be great.

Get IL2 1946...you will never look back......

Im waiting for SOW / BOB that should get released this year...

But....damn i look forward to the japanese campaign......aaaaarghhh the wait....

[Bubblehead1980]

Get IL2 1946...you will never look back......

Im waiting for SOW / BOB that should get released this year...

But....damn i look forward to the japanese campaign......aaaaarghhh the wait....

IL2 covers WW II in the pacific?

[rod_oil]

IL2 covers WW II in the pacific?

Aye-aye, sir!
http://il2-sturmovik.de.ubi.com/en/home.php

[Captain_AJ]

Back in the days CFS2 came around a was one of the few that set out to become a Japanese pilot....In the years to come i flew out numbered with few fellow pilots against the Huge numbers of Hellcats and corsairs..

Then IL2 FB came and one more time i was found on Japanse carrier flying against the online aces of the allied side...

Il2 evolved and me with it, but stil flying under the banner of the 6th IJN..

SH 4 came around....waitet for the Uboot box, roaming the pacific and sometimes sailing a long those carriers i flew of from.....

Now i will have a chanse to sail with them not along with them....

You have no idea how much i apriciate your effort in this..

Tx for your work.....i can wait, simply because i know i soon have a chanse to join my Brothers, not on a DD on the surface but soon be a samurai of the deep....

And that will be my name for the Japanese career...SOD Oiinko

They feared the devine wind....they will soon fear.....the black katana....The sword of the deep...

Lars
Denmark

Lars I commend you for flying in the difficult enviroment of cfs2 and il2

I do remember that japanese pilots were always outnumbered .. I was a virtual sqaudron leader of the 68sentai , If you google 68sentai there is still the remants of the cfs2 68sentai .. I had fun flying campaign battles vs the demons and the RAAf in aussie land in cfs2 , Back than we had monthly battles that were histroical and were fought in New guinea , there was always a cap 32 players in the room but software connections and glitches were always a battle in itself ,, I took a break from flying than I took half the american pilots and half of the japanese pilots and moved them to il2 . we re-started , went to il2 flying school and tried to re-start the sqaudron . after there was a known il2 sqaudron named 78 sentai (78 sentai was the sister sqaudron of 68 sentai), We banashed the sqaudron and came out again as the 244th sentai .. please see www.244sentai.org (http://www.244sentai.org). however after many attempts and biased opnions of a larger yankie pilots we than said its time to cut it off , so now peridocally I do not fly , but now I sail in a keltos modded IJN sub , since that has occured its been alot easier than roaming the virtual sky looking for enemie black dots .. There are many pilots in IL2 that are very good at what they do, I like the laid back action of saling a sub and and having days upon days of nothing and than doing the fun thing of trapping allied ships , perhaps we can sail in the IJN flag in the future .. have fun and Keltos please keep up the good work .. Arigatou dozo :D

[keltos01]

Back in the days CFS2 came around a was one of the few that set out to become a Japanese pilot....In the years to come i flew out numbered with few fellow pilots against the Huge numbers of Hellcats and corsairs..

Then IL2 FB came and one more time i was found on Japanse carrier flying against the online aces of the allied side...

Il2 evolved and me with it, but stil flying under the banner of the 6th IJN..

SH 4 came around....waitet for the Uboot box, roaming the pacific and sometimes sailing a long those carriers i flew of from.....

Now i will have a chanse to sail with them not along with them....

You have no idea how much i apriciate your effort in this..

Tx for your work.....i can wait, simply because i know i soon have a chanse to join my Brothers, not on a DD on the surface but soon be a samurai of the deep....

And that will be my name for the Japanese career...SOD Oiinko

They feared the devine wind....they will soon fear.....the black katana....The sword of the deep...

Lars
Denmark

Lars I commend you for flying in the difficult enviroment of cfs2 and il2

I do remember that japanese pilots were always outnumbered .. I was a virtual sqaudron leader of the 68sentai , If you google 68sentai there is still the remants of the cfs2 68sentai .. I had fun flying campaign battles vs the demons and the RAAf in aussie land in cfs2 , Back than we had monthly battles that were histroical and were fought in New guinea , there was always a cap 32 players in the room but software connections and glitches were always a battle in itself ,, I took a break from flying than I took half the american pilots and half of the japanese pilots and moved them to il2 . we re-started , went to il2 flying school and tried to re-start the sqaudron . after there was a known il2 sqaudron named 78 sentai (78 sentai was the sister sqaudron of 68 sentai), We banashed the sqaudron and came out again as the 244th sentai .. please see www.244sentai.org (http://www.244sentai.org). however after many attempts and biased opnions of a larger yankie pilots we than said its time to cut it off , so now peridocally I do not fly , but now I sail in a keltos modded IJN sub , since that has occured its been alot easier than roaming the virtual sky looking for enemie black dots .. There are many pilots in IL2 that are very good at what they do, I like the laid back action of saling a sub and and having days upon days of nothing and than doing the fun thing of trapping allied ships , perhaps we can sail in the IJN flag in the future .. have fun and Keltos please keep up the good work .. Arigatou dozo :D

this is the kind of post that make us wanna work more on this ! thanks !

regards

keltos

[L.T]

Back in the days CFS2 came around a was one of the few that set out to become a Japanese pilot....In the years to come i flew out numbered with few fellow pilots against the Huge numbers of Hellcats and corsairs..

Then IL2 FB came and one more time i was found on Japanse carrier flying against the online aces of the allied side...

Il2 evolved and me with it, but stil flying under the banner of the 6th IJN..

SH 4 came around....waitet for the Uboot box, roaming the pacific and sometimes sailing a long those carriers i flew of from.....

Now i will have a chanse to sail with them not along with them....

You have no idea how much i apriciate your effort in this..

Tx for your work.....i can wait, simply because i know i soon have a chanse to join my Brothers, not on a DD on the surface but soon be a samurai of the deep....

And that will be my name for the Japanese career...SOD Oiinko

They feared the devine wind....they will soon fear.....the black katana....The sword of the deep...

Lars
Denmark

Lars I commend you for flying in the difficult enviroment of cfs2 and il2

I do remember that japanese pilots were always outnumbered .. I was a virtual sqaudron leader of the 68sentai , If you google 68sentai there is still the remants of the cfs2 68sentai .. I had fun flying campaign battles vs the demons and the RAAf in aussie land in cfs2 , Back than we had monthly battles that were histroical and were fought in New guinea , there was always a cap 32 players in the room but software connections and glitches were always a battle in itself ,, I took a break from flying than I took half the american pilots and half of the japanese pilots and moved them to il2 . we re-started , went to il2 flying school and tried to re-start the sqaudron . after there was a known il2 sqaudron named 78 sentai (78 sentai was the sister sqaudron of 68 sentai), We banashed the sqaudron and came out again as the 244th sentai .. please see www.244sentai.org (http://www.244sentai.org). however after many attempts and biased opnions of a larger yankie pilots we than said its time to cut it off , so now peridocally I do not fly , but now I sail in a keltos modded IJN sub , since that has occured its been alot easier than roaming the virtual sky looking for enemie black dots .. There are many pilots in IL2 that are very good at what they do, I like the laid back action of saling a sub and and having days upon days of nothing and than doing the fun thing of trapping allied ships , perhaps we can sail in the IJN flag in the future .. have fun and Keltos please keep up the good work .. Arigatou dozo :D

I think we might have flown toghter back in CFS2 days. Its a long time and my old brain might be farting, but i remember a campaign made by paccom where the 68th where pressent...

software wars...hell ya everything from roger wilco to the game lobby was a fight and you had to take screenshots to prove killing ground targets :har: For the carrier pilots who had to land to take of at mission start it was a nightmare...and took 1 hour before the mission was ready to run....

IL2 made that alot easyer. I stil fly but have changed "side" abit since im loving early war and are having a blast in the P-40E But in general i stil fly my Japanese planes when invitet to a coop mission i can be found flying my A6M3-32 even in 1945 missions...on hyberlobby you will stil se 6thIJN_Oiink roaming around.....:salute:

[Admiral8Q]

Keep it up! I for one would really enjoy this when it's done! :rock:

[Overkill]

My apologies if this has been asked many times before...

Is this mod designed to replace the U-boat Campaign in SHIV and is it compatible with TMO and RSRD (does not interfere with mods being run for the US Campaign)?

Really looking forward to this one. I've always dug how the Japanese subs looked. :up:

[peabody]

My apologies if this has been asked many times before...

Is this mod designed to replace the U-boat Campaign in SHIV and is it compatible with TMO and RSRD (does not interfere with mods being run for the US Campaign)?

Really looking forward to this one. I've always dug how the Japanese subs looked. :up:

It will change some of the same files that the others do, so it will interfere. The subs were built using Uboats, but there are still a lot of files that are used by both sides. But of course with JSGME that shouldn't be a problem.

Peabody

[Overkill]

Thank you for the info! :salute:

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Ahoy! Checking in.

Hope all is well.

[keltos01]

Ahoy! Checking in.

Hope all is well.

one more week of commercial diving training and I'll hopefully have my degree ;)

keltos

[keltos01]

Back from my classes :D

any news here in the past 5 weeks ?


keltos

as I am a builder of sinking ships I decided it was time to get a degree to be able to salvage them ! ;)

[aanker]

Back from my classes .... I decided it was time to get a degree....
Congratulations for getting your degree. Well done!

Happy Hunting!

Art

[peabody]

Congratulations for getting your degree. Well done!

Happy Hunting!

Art

Now don't jump the gun. He never actually stated he GOT it. :DL:03:

Peabody

[aanker]

Now don't jump the gun. He never actually stated he GOT it. :DL:03:

Peabody
You're right - I read that the wrong way didn't I. Well he deserves a lot of credit for going for it. How bout that.... lol

Happy Hunting!

[peabody]

You're right - I read that the wrong way didn't I. Well he deserves a lot of credit for going for it. How bout that.... lol

Happy Hunting!

:yeah:Yes he does. The last I knew he was trying to put torp tubes on his helmet. :hmmm:

Peabody

[keltos01]

:yeah:Yes he does. The last I knew he was trying to put torp tubes on his helmet. :hmmm:

Peabody

:har: Torpedo Los ! both of you !

keltos

[Bubblehead1980]

hows the IJN campaign going? Looking forward to it, hopefully not dead:arrgh!:

[peabody]

hows the IJN campaign going? Looking forward to it, hopefully not dead:arrgh!:

Some real life almost sank it, but we are back at it, learning as we go. Not dead, just badly banged up. Doctor thinks it will pull through.

Peabody

[keltos01]

Yes, back at it we are, the force is strong with him ;)


http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/7005/b17jb2.jpg (http://img149.imageshack.us/i/b17jb2.jpg/)

USAAF B-17 bomber carries two Republic JB-2 cruise missiles in air-launch test

The German V-1 and the original JB-2 used a very primitive guidance method, in which the pulsejet was stopped after a preset time leading to a dive of the missile on the target. Because this was extremely inaccurate, the USAAF began to test a radio-command guidance in early 1945. The JB-2 was equipped with a radar beacon to facilitate tracking, and a remote control operator could send guidance commands for course corrections and to initialize the terminal dive. While significantly more accurate than the original system, the average error was still 400 m (1/4 mile) at 160 km (100 miles) range under optimal conditions.

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app1/ltv-n-2.html

keltos

[andritsos]

Hi i admire your work. I hope to play it soon, however im a noob and i have some problems with mods,( now im more eager to them in SH5).but In SH3, the edition with protection every time i try to take it out it crashes.I want to ask what is need for this mod when it will be realeased, i have SH4 + cd of Uboats missions?

Plus some info, how many sub types do you think to put ingame? will we have perhaps the I 400( dont care with palne or not) or soemthing else?
In UBoat mission you could ask for support( recon, ships etc) will it be implemented?
In SH3 the anti sub ships and tactics became lot more effective, we will see a gradual hardening of difficulty like in sh3?

really hope this mod is been realeased

[peabody]

Hi i admire your work. I hope to play it soon, however im a noob and i have some problems with mods,( now im more eager to them in SH5).but In SH3, the edition with protection every time i try to take it out it crashes.I want to ask what is need for this mod when it will be realeased, i have SH4 + cd of Uboats missions?

Plus some info, how many sub types do you think to put ingame? will we have perhaps the I 400( dont care with palne or not) or soemthing else?
In UBoat mission you could ask for support( recon, ships etc) will it be implemented?
In SH3 the anti sub ships and tactics became lot more effective, we will see a gradual hardening of difficulty like in sh3?

really hope this mod is been realeased

Andritsos,

You will need SH4 and the uboat add on which you have.

Right now there are 14 Japanese subs modeled by Keltos. A couple will not make it into the game because they do not have enough range for a Campaign. Most of them need some work done to them, mostly minor things.

The I400 Sen Toku will be there, but we have not decided when. The war ended when it was on its first mission, so it never did anything. I personally like it.

Edit: I didn't answer one question. Yes, there will be recon planes from airbases. Also, if you are using a sub that like the Jyunsen B or the Sen Toku that carries planes, you will be able to use them from your patrol area also.
The ships I am not sure yet. The ships may not be there, they take so long to get to your location, they don't do much good anyway, but I may put them in. I am working on other things right now. Maybe they won't be in the first release.

I am still learning this stuff, I knew nothing about modding when we started this project, so I am doing the best I can with what I know how to do.

Peabody

[keltos01]

. Yes, there will be recon planes from airbases. Also, if you are using a sub that like the Jyunsen B or the Sen Toku that carries planes, you will be able to use them from your patrol area also.

Peabody
:D:D:D

Yes !!! this is a breakthrough :yeah:

keltos

[peabody]

:D:D:D

Yes !!! this is a breakthrough :yeah:

keltos

Well, they won't work the way I was hoping, but they will work.

Peabody

[Nisgeis]

Well, they won't work the way I was hoping, but they will work.

Peabody

Launched from the map?

[peabody]

Launched from the map?

Nisgies,

Yes they will be, but you can only launch from your patrol zone if you have a sub that carries planes.

Peabody

[XTBilly]

Some real life almost sank it, but we are back at it, learning as we go. Not dead, just badly banged up. Doctor thinks it will pull through.

Peabody

That's VERY good to hear.:)

We, the loyal servants of the mighty Emperor, stand here, patiently awaiting our chance to serve the Empire.

And rest asure that we''ll make good use of our boats...

Take care, no hurries.:salute:

[andritsos]

can u make a guess of what % is complete of the things that are already decided to be put,maybe some explanation of the subs(not the others)........................................... .............
i luv to try some of these subs+i got an idea have u tried to us ethe mini subs?"a way that can be used for some attacks is that you select teh sub( the small) and for mission you decide like what kind of port to attack , then you directly start outside the enemy harbor supposing that you were transported by a bigger sub or some ship( i always asked myself how those sub could arrive to pearl harbor, if someone has an answer).Its an idea for mission or campagn ones( something like mini mission) because i think that every sub model should be used
im very intereste dof the interiors of each ijn sub u have,never saw one( maybe might be the most difficult part of ur project?)

kind regards

[keltos01]

can u make a guess of what % is complete of the things that are already decided to be put,maybe some explanation of the subs(not the others)........................................... .............
i luv to try some of these subs+i got an idea have u tried to us ethe mini subs?"a way that can be used for some attacks is that you select teh sub( the small) and for mission you decide like what kind of port to attack , then you directly start outside the enemy harbor supposing that you were transported by a bigger sub or some ship( i always asked myself how those sub could arrive to pearl harbor, if someone has an answer).Its an idea for mission or campagn ones( something like mini mission) because i think that every sub model should be used
im very intereste dof the interiors of each ijn sub u have,never saw one( maybe might be the most difficult part of ur project?)

kind regards

try this till the campaign's done :

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=137761

doesn't have all 14 subs we are aiming for, and uses the german campaign, but it's already pretty nice to play !!

here's also the stand alone Ko Hyoteki :

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=145081


keltos

[peabody]

a way that can be used for some attacks is that you select teh sub( the small) and for mission you decide like what kind of port to attack , then you directly start outside the enemy harbor supposing that you were transported by a bigger sub or some ship( i always asked myself how those sub could arrive to pearl harbor, if someone has an answer).Its an idea for mission or campagn ones( something like mini mission) because i think that every sub model should be used
im very intereste dof the interiors of each ijn sub u have,never saw one( maybe might be the most difficult part of ur project?)

kind regards

The mini subs were transported by larger subs. So yes you could start outside the port you are attacking by setting that as the start point, but you still have to get it home after the mission and it does not have enough range to do it. It is good for single mission but not for the Campaign. And who wants to play a career with a sub that has two torpedoes?
The interiors are German Uboats, they have not been changed to Japanese.

Peabody

[keltos01]

The interiors are German Uboats, they have not been changed to Japanese.

Peabody

Because unlike their german counterparts, most of the intel on the interior comes from propaganda movies and a few pictures of the interior of midget subs and of the I-400 and I-14 series.

Most of the IJN subs were sunk during the war, none were kept in reparation : they were sunk off Sasebo in 1946 :(

There is the movie Gochin (Type A1 submarine) from which I extracted sounds and the various gauges and compass you see, the periscope is a Type 88 periscope (view and 3d model) which I also made from photographs of IJN scopes and a through-view of a Kaiten periscope at Kure Museum in Japan.

I tried and set up IJN uniforms to no avail.

I am certain that they were studied thouroughly before sinking but I have proven unable to find detailed interior pictures and descriptions, the best I have are poor pictures of the US Navy mission to Japan 1946.

I have asked several times for our american friend to try and find intel and pictures for me, they must be public domain now, but noone has come forward.

keltos

[andritsos]

Thanks for the links, now im i greece:sunny:with my laptop without Sh4,cant wait to try.

no problem, besides ilike german sub interior, maybe u change the colors a little bit. The only photo inside of a ijn sub was one that looked very old and actually u could not be able to see details,perhaps only to distinguish tat was a sub interior.
For the mini subs after attacking port i came with the idea of milk cows,someone maybe in sh3/sh5(cant remember) told that was in a certain point and could give to the milk cow the Base commands and wanted to take out the return to base.Perhaps the return to base could be given to this type of submarine( the mother) so that it takes you to the enemy port and when you finish you return close to it(maybe it should remain submerged) as we might leave a mark on the map.Perhaps return to real home base(not maybe , maybe surelly and forced to change sub)(take that as a special campaign mission) Besides in Sh4 campaign you could go to teh US submarine tenders and refit, so you take this propierty and add teh return to base and give it to the mother sub. Just idea, maybe too difficult for modding/scripting.
Actually i like that there are missions, I wish i could help, but i know nothing of modding or 3dmodelling.
bye bye:salute:

[keltos01]

when they are all ready on the outside + damage model I'll think about modding the inside..

k