[WIP] Japanese Campaign

[tater]

Yeah, noticed it right at the start. Unfortunately, they made the @!$#@ thing part of the base ship model, instead of what it should have been, a stand-alone object like a plane, placed like a plane on the ship.

BTW, I never bothered to look at this, but must you use the german campaign, or is it possible to add player countries?

[peabody]

Yeah, noticed it right at the start. Unfortunately, they made the @!$#@ thing part of the base ship model, instead of what it should have been, a stand-alone object like a plane, placed like a plane on the ship.

BTW, I never bothered to look at this, but must you use the german campaign, or is it possible to add player countries?
I am not sure what you are asking. We are only using the German Campaign because Keltos built the subs using Uboats. Any country is available for non-playable ships and bases, but the catch is the playable subs. The files are all different. The locations of the files are all different. In campaign even the folder structure is different.
I actually started this Campaign using my Playable Sen Toku built on a Gato but it was Japanese and was attacked by Allied ships. I had Japanese bases set up and started the Campaign using the Pacific campaign.
But Keltos (along with all the others I have seen) used the German subs to make playable subs and ships and since the files and locations are all different, they don't work on the Pacific Campaign side. With enough file changes I suppose it could be possible not to use the german side but I have not tried it.

As for countries, any country is available for non-playable ships and bases.

The only thing that would have been much easier is adding additional tubes. Keltos built a Truant which was built on a US sub and it had 8 forward tubes and 2 rear tubes and I made a launch panel with smaller lights to fit the 8 lights. In the uboat is doesn't seem to add lights even though the tubes are added, since there are only 6 to work with.
I don't know if all that babbling answered what you wanted to know.

Peabody

[tater]

I meant playable ships (subs).

Meaning replicate all the GE_XXXXXX folders as JP_XXXXXX, and have the game present us with THREE campaign options, USN, IJN, and KM.

I was just wondering if this was possible with 1.5. Seems like the best way would have been for them to define "playable" via some mechanism in the UPC files.

Again, I haven't looked, but that would be ideal. Note that you can always remap (clone) all the IJN subs so they do not take the place of the german ones.

[keltos01]

I meant playable ships (subs).

Meaning replicate all the GE_XXXXXX folders as JP_XXXXXX, and have the game present us with THREE campaign options, USN, IJN, and KM.

I was just wondering if this was possible with 1.5. Seems like the best way would have been for them to define "playable" via some mechanism in the UPC files.

Again, I haven't looked, but that would be ideal. Note that you can always remap (clone) all the IJN subs so they do not take the place of the german ones.


As for the subs they are already cloned.

Keltos

[tater]

Have you tried creating a folder like UPCDataGE, called UPCDataJP, then lesse, add stuff in menu.txt...

6000=GERMAN CAMPAIGN
6001=SWITCH SIDE
6050=Bulkhead

6060=Press F1 for help
6061=HELP (F1)

6065=NAVAL SUBMARINE SCHOOL
6066=NAVAL ACADEMY MÜRWIK

6070=AMERICAN SINGLE MISSIONS
6071=GERMAN SINGLE MISSIONS

6075=AMERICAN WAR PATROLS
6076=GERMAN WAR PATROLS

6080=Next ship type

6085=American
6086=German

See the gaps?

Add:
6002=JAPANESE CAMPAIGN
6067=NAVAL ACADEMY KURE
6071=JAPANESE SINGLE MISSIONS

etc.

Copy the German UPC stuff, and change all the names.

Dunno about the menu____.ini glop, that's greek to me.

[peabody]

I meant playable ships (subs).

Meaning replicate all the GE_XXXXXX folders as JP_XXXXXX, and have the game present us with THREE campaign options, USN, IJN, and KM.

I was just wondering if this was possible with 1.5. Seems like the best way would have been for them to define "playable" via some mechanism in the UPC files.

Again, I haven't looked, but that would be ideal. Note that you can always remap (clone) all the IJN subs so they do not take the place of the german ones.
The subs we use ARE cloned and do not replace the German ones. It does not create any problems in Japanese Campaign, it does create problem with adding to other Campaigns because some necessary files get overwritten. For example, flotilla files, Localization file etc.
With my limited knowledge I believe there are too many things we can't change to make the "replace GE_xxx to JP_xxxxx to work". I could be wrong, usually am, but I don't know how. I think there either is a lot that is hardcoded or there is stuff I don't know about.

Here is what I do know since I have done it.

I can make any country playable in the Pacific Campaign as long as the ship/sub is built on a Fleetboat.
I can make any country playable in the uboat Campaign as long as the ship/sub is built on a uboat.
I can change any ship/sub from friend to foe in either campaign as long as it is not the playable unit.

Here is an example in a German Single Mission;

That is a playable Porpoise Class Fleet Boat but is NOT set to "human control" therefore not the "playable unit" and I made it German. This is NOT a cloned sub it is the 'in game' Porpoise, the only change is I told the game it's German. (in fact if I hope I don't forget to go back and change it.:lol:)

The US Somers DD is shooting at it
the Japanese Takao is not shooting
the German Armed Merchant is not shooting at it.

http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/8052/porpoisegermandy6.jpghttp://img58.imageshack.us/img58/8052/porpoisegermandy6.jpghttp://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3559/porpoisegermanap3.jpg


You may already know these things, just saying what i know works, as for the rest a lot of it has links from somewhere, but I can't find somewhere.

So, I think some of the things you talk about may work, but would be a lot of work for little gain. I say little gain because you will have to decide which files to use if you make it all Japanese. If you use the German files, you will be limited by those files, if you choose to base it on the Allied side you will use those files. All this can be done much easier by just building your Japanese sub with either a uboat or a fleet boat as the base for it and all the files become available automatically from that side.

Just my 2cents anyway from a very limited knowledge of the game and the inner workings.

Edit: I noticed the new post after I posted this (I had to leave to snowblow the driveway) and the Single missions are not separate, I don't remember if they were in 1.4 or not. So it is things like that I am talking about. There are files that just don't apply. What makes it pick the

"Quick Mission"

instead of:
6070=AMERICAN SINGLE MISSIONS
6071=GERMAN SINGLE MISSIONS
????

And why does it say "Submarine School"
instead of:
6065=NAVAL SUBMARINE SCHOOL
6066=NAVAL ACADEMY MÜRWIK

And when you click on Submarine School it says "American Submarine School" or you switch sides and it says "German Submarine School" so the actual words listed are not used but probably link to the terms that actually are used in the game.

Must be in the menu stuff I guess, but there are so many things like that.

Peabody

[Sledgehammer427]

I usually Ctrl-F the word when i open up a document. done deal.
interesting research,btw

[peabody]

I usually Ctrl-F the word when i open up a document. done deal.
interesting research,btw

Thanks Sledgehammer.
When I said "but there are so many things like that" I meant everywhere, not just the menu file. But you are right Ctrl F is very handy indeed. But I have used it and found things pointing to files that don't exist. Probably some things left over from SH3 or things that didn't get finished in time.
That is why I have great respect for the modders, they spent a lot of time figuring this stuff out. SH4 is my first ever attempt at modding and it is rewarding sometimes but a pain in the butt other times.
And another reason I like the ideas and comments, sometimes I don't agree, sometimes I have no idea how to do it, but it keeps me thinking and occasionally leads to something unexpected. Maybe even totally different than what I was originally looking for.

Peabody

[GerritJ9]

It could well be that the sim's developers originally intended to include the option of five playable nations i.e. USN, IJN, KM, RN and RNethN, which would cover all navies which operated submarines in the Far East/Pacific (as SH4 is a Far East/Pacific sub sim, we can exclude other countries which operated subs in WW2 such as Poland, USSR, Italy, Norway etc.).
The numbers sequences and gaps point to such a possibility, for instance:

6065 NAVAL SUBMARINE SCHOOL
6066 NAVAL ACADEMY MÜRWIK
Now (hypothetically) add to these two:
6067 NAVAL ACADEMY ETA JIMA
6068 NAVAL ACADEMY DARTMOUTH (or, more accurately, HMS Dolphin)
6069 NAVAL ACADEMY DEN HELDER (or, because of the occupation of the Netherlands in 1940, NAVAL ACADEMY SOERABAJA)

Similarly, for Single Missions:

6070=AMERICAN SINGLE MISSIONS
6071=GERMAN SINGLE MISSIONS
adding:
6072=JAPANESE SINGLE MISSIONS
6073=BRITISH SINGLE MISSIONS
6074=DUTCH SINGLE MISSIONS

and going on to:
6075=AMERICAN WAR PATROLS
6076=GERMAN WAR PATROLS
again, adding:
6077=JAPANESE WAR PATROLS
6078=BRITISH WAR PATROLS
6079=DUTCH WAR PATROLS

etc.
Might be worth a look if it is possible to add a nation by making all the relevant files/folders and trying to get the links working. I doubt whether we can expect another addon for SH4 which would take care of this for us.

[peabody]

As much as I do find this interesting and want the discussion to continue, I think we have reached a point where the Japanese Campaign thread can be considered Hijacked and would kindly ask that we start a new thread for this discussion.
I do not want it to end but I think it needs it's own thread.

I participated in the discussion also, so I am not blaming anyone, but it is heading in a totally different direction. But I would like to see the discussion continue.

Peabody

[rubenandthejets]

Peabody and Keltso1 san
PM with requests for whatever you need and I will try to get this info on this end (Im based in Tokyo). Photos, translations whatever-it shall be my mission.

LOVE your work! LOVE IT!
Keep the goodness coming and I did say ANYTHING I can do to help.
Gambarre!

[keltos01]

Peabody and Keltso1 san
PM with requests for whatever you need and I will try to get this info on this end (Im based in Tokyo). Photos, translations whatever-it shall be my mission.

LOVE your work! LOVE IT!
Keep the goodness coming and I did say ANYTHING I can do to help.
Gambarre!

arigatou

keltos

[rubenandthejets]

Just a tiny point about the numbers in screen shots. The gothic numbers seem a little out of place. Would it be possible to use the Japanese characters?
The signatures on any documents for promotion etc would look better with a "hanko" seal on them.

Sorry to nitpick and I hope you don't get the wrong impression:oops: This is truly awesome stuff!

PS Hope you overcome the launching planes / minisub problems. Managing to get a shore bombardment mission would be great too!

PPS Assorted photos from Japanese archives being searched for now. Crew of three native Japanese on it!

PPPS Re: ship traffic, off all the major rivers mouths near Japan: literally swarming with fishing boats, sampans and small commercial craft. I watch the trawlers and fishing boat fleets everyday at the entrance of Tokyo Bay, scuttling out of the way of RORO and container ships. Sailing on the surface within 10km of the coast near the four main islands without literally bumping into one would be almost impossible. On the upside not many were fitted with "rajios" so the IJN wouldn't know until they reached port.

[tater]

^^^ useful info.

While I've not been working on the IJN sub stuff, I HAVE been working on IJN ASW capability, and hopefully new merchant shipping. I think that all the ports could use some upgrades :)

tater

[peabody]

Just a tiny point about the numbers in screen shots. The gothic numbers seem a little out of place. Would it be possible to use the Japanese characters?
The signatures on any documents for promotion etc would look better with a "hanko" seal on them.

Sorry to nitpick and I hope you don't get the wrong impression:oops: This is truly awesome stuff!

PS Hope you overcome the launching planes / minisub problems. Managing to get a shore bombardment mission would be great too!

PPS Assorted photos from Japanese archives being searched for now. Crew of three native Japanese on it!

PPPS Re: ship traffic, off all the major rivers mouths near Japan: literally swarming with fishing boats, sampans and small commercial craft. I watch the trawlers and fishing boat fleets everyday at the entrance of Tokyo Bay, scuttling out of the way of RORO and container ships. Sailing on the surface within 10km of the coast near the four main islands without literally bumping into one would be almost impossible. On the upside not many were fitted with "rajios" so the IJN wouldn't know until they reached port.

1. Japanese Characters on torp lights I assume you mean, the Japanese Characters I found for numbers were a quite large, several characters for each number. But we may be able to do it.

2 I will make a note of the Hanko seal. Possible.

3 Launching planes from the sub is not going to happen any time soon. I don't know if it can even be done.

4. The minisub works, it is just the way the game is, once you pick a sub for your career, you are stuck with it unless the game offers you a new one. I don't think anyone wants to play the Campaign with a minisub and two torpedos. We were thinking about putting in some Quick missions (single missions) with the minisub to infiltrate different harbors with a specific target.

5. Shore bombardment did happen in the US so we may include one for historical reasons. But there really isn't much to shoot at with a sub.


@ Tater:

What exactly did you mean by "I think that all the ports could use some upgrade" Are you talking traffic?

Peabody

[tater]

Mwhahaha.

You'll see in a bit. :D

[peabody]

Mwhahaha.

You'll see in a bit. :D
Thanks Tater my Mwhahaha has been broken for a while now, how soon do you think it will be fixed?

When someone starts a message with Mwhahaha, I know I'll be switching to easy mode. :lol:

Peabody

[tater]

Peabody san, if you are an I-boat skipper, this stuff is on your side ;)

[rubenandthejets]

Cheers, Peabody.

5. Shore bombardment did happen in the US so we may include one for historical reasons. But there really isn't much to shoot at with a sub.

Sydney harbour was attacked by midget subs trying to get the USS Chicago (they sunk a floating dormitory instead ) while the mother ship waited offshore lobbing shells into suburbia. Please don't forget the little people in Australia! We got hit too!

The port of Darwin in northern Australia was hammered from the air in Feb 1942, as was the seaplane base in Broome, on the NW coast. Including these ports / bases in the map (Broome and Darwin dont exist in SH1.4 vanilla) in the Japanese campaign would make all the Oz skippers very happy indeed.

As for minisubs, I thought just carrying them to the drop off point in the mother sub would be the mission-not a very high survival rate for mini subs, unless you consider the immortality achieved by being on permanant display in some foreign war memorial!! Bloddy things might as well be a Kaiten! Wave goodbye to the uppity XO, seal him into his first and last command of his own and get back to your own career by teasing the local DDs into hunting you with a few shells into defenceless suburbia. Now that's a mission!:up:

[keltos01]

[quote=rubenandthejets]Cheers, Peabody.

5. Shore bombardment did happen in the US so we may include one for historical reasons. But there really isn't much to shoot at with a sub.
they even cancelled the second shelling that was to take place on XMas day 1941
Sydney harbour was attacked by midget subs trying to get the USS Chicago (they sunk a floating dormitory instead ) while the mother ship waited offshore lobbing shells into suburbia. Please don't forget the little people in Australia! We got hit too!
so you mean that my Ko-Hyoteki stand alone should be included in the campaign?
The port of Darwin in northern Australia was hammered from the air in Feb 1942, as was the seaplane base in Broome, on the NW coast. Including these ports / bases in the map (Broome and Darwin dont exist in SH1.4 vanilla) in the Japanese campaign would make all the Oz skippers very happy indeed.

As for minisubs, I thought just carrying them to the drop off point in the mother sub would be the mission-not a very high survival rate for mini subs, unless you consider the immortality achieved by being on permanant display in some foreign war memorial!!
Bloddy things might as well be a Kaiten!
actually, at the end of war, since they were short on sub torpedoes, minisubs were fitted with a nose-explosive charge, and thsu became Kaitens too !!!!
Wave goodbye to the uppity XO, seal him into his first and last command of his own and get back to your own career by teasing the local DDs into hunting you with a few shells into defenceless suburbia. Now that's a mission!:up:

could you post the japanese numerals you thought of ? just upload the jpg on http://www.imageshack.us/ copy the link in the hotlink for forums (1) in here and we'll see them.


keltos

[rubenandthejets]

Tried that but with a: my technological incompetence and b: trying to read the Japanese instructions on the image hosting website I failed miserably :(

The formal and informal system is in wikipaedia under "japanese numerals". Is that helpful?

[peabody]

Tried that but with a: my technological incompetence and b: trying to read the Japanese instructions on the image hosting website I failed miserably :(

The formal and informal system is in wikipaedia under "japanese numerals". Is that helpful?

The problem with that is, I don't have a Japanese font on my computer so I can't see them.
I found the numbers here, and as you can see there are several characters to each number.

http://sp.cis.iwate-u.ac.jp/sp/lessonj/doc/numbers.html

Peabody

[Te Kaha]

I have a Japanese font for you, if needed pm me with your e-mail adress.

[Anton88]

Guys, I'm new here, but I might be able to lend a hand.
I have a huge collection of japanese war films, and I will do the Crew voices part for this great mod you have all worked hard for.. They will turn out superb I promiss.

I have actually done some speech for the pilots in Il-2 Forgotten Battles, Romanian campaign.. (so you can actually hear my voice if you fly with a bunch of romanian airplanes in formation.. i'm in there too .. lol.. ) but lets stick to this game..
(By the way, ..Romania is a nice country with beautyfull dark haired babes, and genious computer programmers... like those who have created Silent hunter III and IV.. hope you guys appreciate where i'm from.. tough i'm no computer geek ..

I wanted to show everyone this new Japanese movie that came out, about the Kaitens.. the suicide human torpedoes.. Its fabulous.. and its so new.. that there are only 2 vidoes of it on youtube.. here is one of them: enjoy

出口のない海 [Deguchi No Nai Umi] (Sea Without Exit)
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=hTR-_ouMq-M

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/eiga/images/thumb/c/c9/Sea_without_exit_flyer.jpg/200px-Sea_without_exit_flyer.jpg

I will take care of the crew voices.. and sound effects.. I do great work..
All I ask in return is that some of you work on the Japanese faces of the crew, and the IJN Uniforms.. we got to make this realisitc.. there is no outher japanse sub sim out there.
** when this is all done and ready.. could we put it all in an " .exe file ", just like Gray Wolves 3.0 mod ...etc (an executable mod), would it work?

I wish you all great success,.. I will help with whatever I can.. and It will turn out great ;)

cheers

[Anton88]

..and I have all the sounds for the Kaiten torpedo I need, including the shouting, the orders, and the sound of one being launched.. the movie above pretty much shows it.. ;)

Banzaii!!

PS: <= ps: how do I change this little ugly fat boy avatar ??? :S

[cgjimeneza]

..and I have all the sounds for the Kaiten torpedo I need, including the shouting, the orders, and the sound of one being launched.. the movie above pretty much shows it.. ;)

Banzaii!!

PS: <= ps: how do I change this little ugly fat boy avatar ??? :S

by posting my friend, welcome, and we hope to enjoy your work soon.

buy maybe Neal will do something for you when the time is right... or who does asign permanent avatars I wonder????

edit: change your location from home to Romania... be proud man, I love being from Costa Rica

cheers lad.

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Peabody and K,
I can get pics of IJN sub interiors i think, as i have contact with former USN head of Pac Sub fleet after WWII and he was at the scuttling of the IJN subs, and has described it to me.

some data, i saw you may not be able to make the Aichi M6A1 Seiran Combo (they used or planned to use the Aichi for bombing) work but here are the known recon missions carried out by air assets carried by IJN subs ...

IJN Submarine based air recon missions

25-6 May 1942 1-9 Kiska and Amchitka, Aleutian Islands
27 May 1942 I-19 Bogosolof, Aleutian Islands
27 may 1942 I-25 Kodiak, Alaska
27 May 1942 I-21 Sydney, Australia
30 May-1 June 1942 I-10 Diego Suarez, Madagascar
20 August 1942 I 29 Seychelles Islands, NE of Madagascar
9 September 1942 I-25 Oregon, US
29 September 1942 I-25 Oregon, US
2 October 1942 I-21 Espiritu Santu, New Hebrides
13 October 1942 I-7 Espiritu Santo, New Hebridies
19 October 1942 I-19 Noumea, New Caledonia
30 October 1942 I-9 Noumea, New Caldeonia
2 November 1942 I-8 Efate Island, New Hebrides
4 November 1942 I-31 Suva Bay, Fiji
4 November 1942 I-9 NOumea, New Caldonia
11 November, 1042 I-7 Vanikoro Island, Solomon Islands
11 November 1942 I-21 Noumea, New Caldenia
11 November 1942 I-9 Espiritu Santo, New Hebrides

and midget subs and their losses:

Midget submarines Ko kyoteki or Koryu were lost chiefly in the following five operatoins< four in which the subs were launched from parent submarines and one in the Philipines, when shore bases were used..
Pearl Harbor, Before Dawn on 7 December, 1941 Hawaiian time, five midget submaries were launched to attack Pearl Harbor. All fivee were lost including one inside the harbor.
Sydney: During the afternoon of 31 May, 1942, three midget submarines were launched to attack Sydney (Jackson) Harbor. All three were lost, two got inside the harbor and the other becasme caught in the anti torpedo net near the harbor entrance.
Diego Suarez, Madagascar During the Evening of 30 May 1942, two midget submarines were launched. Both were lost inside the harbor.
Guadalcanal: In November 1943, eight midget submaries were transported to the base on Shortland Island, off the south end of Bougainville. From there, they were carried by parent submarines and launched near enemy landing sites on Guadalcanal. By the end of December, three of the midget submarines were lost in ASW action, three were lost by accidents and two remained inactive.
Philipppine Islands: In the fall of 1944, ten midget submaries were sent to shore bases in the central and souther Philippines. All small craft were lost in combat, accidentally and by scuttling when US forces inva

I have found data on the fate of all the IJN subs and am transcribing it now. This will give you unit numbers and fates for your campaign. I will be in touch for more data and am working on getting photos now of sub interiors. I have seen some already just need to get them. Sorry to have been out of touch.

You will find detailed data on all classes of IJN subs here:

http://www.combinedfleet.com/ss.htm

the US Naval Historical Center may have some useful Pics,

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/7523/c139986twm8.jpg

I-58

and the WWII data base
http://ww2db.com/ship_spec.php?ship_id=452

[keltos01]

Peabody and K,
I can get pics of IJN sub interiors i think, as i have contact with former USN head of Pac Sub fleet after WWII and he was at the scuttling of the IJN subs, and has described it to me.

Does he have any good interior pictures ? I mean the ones seen in the 1946 USN mission to japan would be a start, the pdf version is too low resolution for any kind of work.

But don't get your hopes too high : just look at Tomi's work on the torpedo room and you'll understand....

keltos

ps here's a longer (8 ') trailer for the kaiten movie (english subtitles):

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=9bq9_0BiPkE&feature=related

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Yes i hope he may, i am going to call him today and ask. I have a larger rez pic from that torp room on that sub i posted, which was the one that sank the Indianapolis (CA-35) in my files "somewhere" i am diving for it too :)

will be back in touch.

[peabody]

I will take care of the crew voices.. and sound effects.. I do great work..
All I ask in return is that some of you work on the Japanese faces of the crew, and the IJN Uniforms.. we got to make this realisitc.. there is no outher japanse sub sim out there.
** when this is all done and ready.. could we put it all in an " .exe file ", just like Gray Wolves 3.0 mod ...etc (an executable mod), would it work?

I wish you all great success,.. I will help with whatever I can.. and It will turn out great ;)

cheers

Hi Anton88, welcome. Appreciate your offer to help. We are not sure where we are going with the voices. We were trying to find someone (through some contacts) that actually speaks Japanese. We were trying to stay away from movies for a few reasons.
1 They are copyrighted.
2. They could be saying "Bring me a cup of coffee", I wouldn't know.
3. There is usually background noise and music that would mess it up.

But we may end up going that way. If you want to try a few examples and post them, we would certainly listen and see what you have. I don't want to sound like I don't appreciate your offer, I do. We were just trying to go in a different direction, but if you want to take the time for some examples, we will take the time to listen to them. But I don't want you to do a lot of work for nothing. We have to try to keep the voice files as small as possible so it doesn't get too big.

As for the "All I ask in return" is faces and uniforms, it is on the list but we have a lot of work to do and with Real Life, we are behind schedule from where we want to be. And it is a big task especially the faces. So if setting conditions that we must do them in order for your help then thank you but NO. We are beginners at this and are doing the best we can with the knowledge we have.

Peabody

[Anton88]

As for the "All I ask in return" is faces and uniforms, it is on the list but we have a lot of work to do and with Real Life, we are behind schedule from where we want to be. And it is a big task especially the faces. So if setting conditions that we must do them in order for your help then thank you but NO. We are beginners at this and are doing the best we can with the knowledge we have.

Peabody

:) ..

Its not a condition.. its just something that I'd really hoped for.. Having crew with German uniforms and faces does not make it authentic.
As for the Japanese voices, I see the point you are trying to make. The thing is, we got all we need.. We do have Japanese Submarine movies out there, and with the exact phrases/orders/shouting we need. As for the copyright, I don't think its gonna be a big deal to to this. (Personally the producers would be happy to see this, .. you know the Japanese like to glorify their war heroes in movies, alot more then in the west). I don't think they would object to have their actor's voices in a submarine game.
-- Look at those that made the mod for Silent Hunter III (Gray wolves..)... they used the speech from Das Boot.. (like Alllarrrrrrrrmmmm!!... schnell, schnell..etc)
And the German marches from ww2, and the Tipperrary song... I would not worry so much about copy right...
Besides, we are not making profit from this.. none of us.
I think its more realistic to have the sounds from the movie, then have a person talk.. and all my films have Subtitles, so I know what they are saying.
Another thing I was gonna suggest... you might know the Japanese faces from Battlefield 1942.. (everyone has played this game at one time or another)..
you think those faces might help us in any way in modelling the crew? Your're the expert in animation,.. not me :hmmm:

-peace-

[Anton88]

Hi,

I think that looks like Doenitz's signature, but it should be in fact Yamamoto's signature, or that of Hiroyasu Fushimi (or other commanders of IJN). If you can find out the equivalent of Admiral Doenitz in the Japanese Navy, (the submarine chief) I buy you a drink.. i dont know who he is

Yamamoto ~ 山本 Hiroyasu Fushimi ~ 伏見博康

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/534/tabsandpaperwx1.jpg

[peabody]

Hi,

I think that looks like Doenitz's signature, but it should be in fact Yamamoto's signature, or that of Hiroyasu Fushimi (or other commanders of IJN). If you can find out the equivalent of Admiral Doenitz in the Japanese Navy, (the submarine chief) I buy you a drink.. i dont know who he is

Yamamoto ~ 山本 Hiroyasu Fushimi ~ 伏見博康

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/534/tabsandpaperwx1.jpg

That is a picture before the Signature was changed to a Japanese signature (which is just a Japanese character, but Wiki said it was a signature.) But Keltos just got his hands on a document where we may get a better signature. That was at the very beginning of the project, we did not have much done at all at that point.

And no I don't know Battlefield, I only play two games, SH4 and Falcon. So I don't know anything about it.

And as for an expert in animation, I have never done animation. I have never done any modding until I started this, so I learn as I go that is why it is taken longer than it should and why I don't want to hold the project up for faces and uniforms. I wanted at least a Beta release a while ago, but it didn't work out. I am not saying that once we release it we will never make any more improvements, we definately will improve as we find time and learn how.

Peabody

[Anton88]

If I am moderately satisfied with how the sound files turn out, I will send you many samples. If I am extreamly satisfied, and they turned out beyond my expectations, and they have been tested in-game and work like a dream.. I will not send anyone samples, but will send the final product shortly before you guys release the beta version. - surprise -

as for faces.. I got a better source.. Call of duty - total war (Pacific campaign),
has ultra realistic graphics and japanese faces, and uniforms. I will post later some screenshots.. and after that, we'll need an 'expert' that could model the crew from these..

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9829/jap1gb3.jpg

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/4046/jap2vu7.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2839/jap3of9.jpg

[peabody]

:salute::salute::salute::salute:

Will there be anything else sir?

Peabody

[Anton88]

:salute::salute::salute::salute:

Will there be anything else sir?

Peabody

What are you currently working on? Maybe i can help out..
(I'm just trying to get this mod out faster :))) )

for the voices/sound effects i will need about a week, starting next thursday

:salute:

[keltos01]

:salute::salute::salute::salute:

Will there be anything else sir?

Peabody
What are you currently working on? Maybe i can help out..
(I'm just trying to get this mod out faster :))) )

for the voices/sound effects i will need about a week, starting next thursday

:salute:
Hold your horses there! in the sound\speech folder there are 8 different folders : one per voice.

in each : there are 222 different sentences ! I already made a small mod from the movie Gochin (filmed during I-10's fifth war patrol, real sounds real sinkings etc..) but since it has only been downloaded 30 times it is clearly not a priority as we have other matters to fix.

Modding is a slow and painstainking process, I would know after the ships I did, Peabody does with the japanese campaign, Takao, Captainscurvy, Sledgehammer427 and certainly Skwasjer do, it takes time and patience to get it right. We don't have any Ubi SDK to make those files, though S3D is now pretty close ;). We have to reverse-engineer everything they made, and that's a pain. Sounds can only be mono and this length max etc... f.i. the develloppers' sounds are always smaller in size than mine were, even for the same time length !

this is exactly which we don't rush the campaign. we have to get the subs to work perfectly, they also need japanese weapons all the way, not only torpedoes and submarines.

If you look at the 3D Torpedo room thread on the AOTD (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=141858) with its 34318 views you'll understand how long it could take to model japanese submarine interiors, if we had those kind of pictures and blueprints, which, but for the midget sub and the Koryu, we don't have at the moment. (look at post 281 and you'll see what kind of pictures to exist, USN mission to Japan 1946)

The campaign layout is made from RL shipping movements of either the IJN or its merchant fleet. I for one would love it to get as real as possible, and still playable by most out there. I had to buy a new computer to play this game.

As for the face, I have made a few, using the japanese sailor faces that are ingame, I just bumped that thread for you. Since I don't know how they mod the face and split the head afterwards to create those dds I have to work on a skewed image which is a lot harder than using photos for faces f.i.

As for the signature thing, look up posts 51 and especially post #76 on this very thread, you'll see where we are headed. In post #104 Sledgehammer427 already suggested that Dönitz didn't sign that, didn't he now ?

We are not going to use copyrighted material in this mod. Faces or otherwise, unless we have the consent from their designer like I did from John Meeks and Michel Guyot (www.subart.net (http://www.subart.net)) who nicely donated the digitized copy of their work for the campaign's loading screens and intro screen. This is how it works, you ask, if they decline, you don't use the material.

Then there are new things too like on post #133 ... or 139 if you like the rewards ;) but they have to be right. Or #157 if you wanna breathe underwater f.i. then there was the real kaiten model (post # 181), the last add-on we just implemeted is the type 93 naval mine thanks to Darkfish who made the files, and just that took a while.

We are trying to get all aspects right, as much as it is feasible anyways.

This said I look forward to hearing a few japanese sounds you'll make as long as you follow our guidelines.

Keltos

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Well gentlemen, i may be getting closer, i have been directed to some remarkable sources....and found some pics already including the engine room of the IJN I 400, and the interior of the deck hanger, more pics of the topside, and a detailed and remarkable account of the last transpac voyage of the IJN I 400 under US command with a Japanese prize crew...remarkable...and i am also asking for help from the Nimitz Librrary which serves Annapolis, we will see how it goes...

here is part of the last cruise of the IJN I 400 info, which has remarkable details about IJN submarine service operations and details of the boat....

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6492/engineroomi400classti7.th.jpg
Engine Room I 400

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5116/i401dj14smlr4.th.jpg

Hangar interior of I 401

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/2904/30890677zg9.th.jpg

one of the IJN Cargo Submarines which had no TT tubes but carried Kaiten's on deck as armament

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/6879/i401dj04smko7.th.jpg

I 401 at sea underway from the bridge

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/958/i401dj01smii3.th.jpg

View Aft from Bow of I 401 along launching rail of plane catapault

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/2535/93656186mk8.th.jpg

3 I 400 class boats alongside (possibly in Germany)

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/4961/59015156ui0.th.jpg

I 401 with plane on foredeck, from a published journal of one of the I 400 IJN Japanese skippers in russian link below
http://www.pacerfarm.org/i-400/i-400.htm
THE TRANSPACIFIC VOYAGE OF H.I.J.M.S. I-400

[ed. notes: The document on which this page was based was to have formed the nucleus of Tom Paine's memoirs. It began as a simple reply to a request for information from Commander Compton-Hall, who was then researching Submarine Warfare: Monsters & Midgets.6 It served as the basis of a short piece that appeared in the U.S. Naval Institute Proceedings in 1986. An expanded version was published privately by the Submarine Warfare Library in February 1991. He continued to work on it from time to time over several months, leading up to this version.
Thomas O. Paine died from cancer on 4 May 1992. He had continued his work on submarine bibliography up to the very end. His personal papers are in the Manuscript Division of the Library of Congress in Washington DC; his massive Submarine Library is now a special collection of the Nimitz Library in the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis MD. His biography is online at the NASA History site. Had he lived to see the flowering of the 'net, surely he would have made excellent use of it for sharing his wealth of information about submarines, space travel, and the many other subjects in which he took a lively interest. This page is but a piece, a very small piece, of what he would have done.


This saga recounts my adventures during the last voyage of His Imperial Japanese Majesty's Sensuikan Toku (Special Submarines). In 1945 I returned from World War II as Executive Officer and Navigator of the U.S. Navy prize crew in one of these aircraft-carrying giants: H.I.J.M.S. I-400. Sailing her from Sasebo, Occupied Japan, to Pearl Harbor, Territory of Hawaii, seemed a fitting finale to my career in the Submarine Service.
I'll begin by describing Japan's Top Secret submersible aircraft carriers, summarize their operational history, recount my experience in the Occupation of Japan, explain how our prize crew learned to operate the unusual I-boats, and tell the tale of I-400's eventful transpacific passage. An abridged version of this yarn has been published in U.S.N.I. Proceedings.1


The March 2005 discovery of the wreck of the I-401 prompted updates to the Wikipedia I-400 class submarine page.
The Russian Miletara Project site has what appears to be an online digest of Commander Hashimoto's memoirs including this photo of the I-401 with Seiran on catapault (see also this colourised view) and of I-400 class boats docking and moored to a sub tender with their hangar doors open.
http://militera.lib.ru/memo/other/hashimoto/

This memoir of I-14 Prize crew member Vic Webb
memoir of I-14 Prize crew member Vic Webb (http://www.webenet.net/~ftoon/memory/japsub.html)

and this memoir of I-401 Prize crew member Paul Wittmer.

memoir of I-401 Prize crew member Paul Wittmer (http://www.tinosa283.com/Wittmer.html).
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The I-400 is cited and illustrated in the World Aircraft Carrier page on Andrew Toppan's hazegray.org site.
Craig Burke's Imperial Japanese Navy site contains both a factual I-400 history page
and an interesting fictional I-400 alternative history page on his "Admiral Fura****a" site.
The one surviving Aichi M6A1 Seiran aircraft was restored by the U.S. National Air & Space Museum; see www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero/aircraft/aichi_serian.htm (http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero/aircraft/aichi_serian.htm) .
Prints can be ordered of this John Meeks painting of the I-401 crew preparing to jettison a Seiran aircraft at sea before surrendering.
For a detailed model of the I-400 see home.catv.ne.jp/dd/nekonii/topics/p-tpic12.htm.
To see Jim Gordon's I-400 model adapted from an Aoshima kit see www.steelnavy.com/I400.htm (http://www.steelnavy.com/I400.htm)
Chris Alfred's Seiran model set in a I-400 hull segment diorama can be seen on the j-aircraft Ships Gallery page.

and here is the best so far: a pic of actual Japanese sub crew in the hangar of IJN 401

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/4814/inside20hangarkm0.jpg

Living Conditions on IJN subs ..continued:

Dorr Carpenter and Norman Polmar's book Submarines of the Imperial Japanese Navy (Annapolis, Maryland: Naval Institute Press, 1986).

"Submarine crews, as well as the rest of the seagoing navy, tended to have preferential treatment with respect to food and cigarettes. At sea the submariners had a diet of boiled white rice, pickled vegetables, dried seaweed, eggs, beef, pork, various fish, and usually for breakfast, miso-shiro, a vegetable soup. Refrigeration was severely limited, and fresh meat, fish, and vegetables would be exhausted in about a week, after which canned food was the staple. There was little coffee but plenty of tea. Officers and men generally ate the same food, their daily submarine ration amounting to some 3,300 calories, quite high for wartime Japan. Sake and beer were available to submarine crews ashore, while at sea a commanding officer could issue alcohol under special conditions. But drunkenness ashore or afloat was not tolerated.

Life in the cramped, un-air-conditioned submarines was difficult. On long deployments bags of rice and canned food filled every available space, and just moving through the submarine was a difficult task. The newer boats had cooling systems; the older craft were always very humid. Rats were common on board."

There was only a very limited Fresh water ration on the IJN submarines, so washing was only done when they could swim in the sea - they also had only a very primitive Heads which would not function when submerged, hence the somewhat challenging conditions in the I-Boats.
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Discussion on Tully's Port
http://propnturret.com/tully/viewtopic.php?t=269&sid=f3227e79a7cbf44669c21e5d02baac11
about living conditions on IJN subs..this following was the personal opinion of one poster and his comments are not supported by other evidence..(the IJN ran very clean ships, and there was in fact ample water supply on the I 400's as noted later on in the source he is quoting....but such prejudices abound in discussion of IJN to this day sadly)
Referring to the IJN 400 from the journal of Tom Paine desribed above.

"After she was taken over from the Japanese on her way home from patrol you can imagine that the I-400 required a massive clean-up from stem to stern. The field day started with all hands moving aboard the U.S.S. Proteus, after which cylinders of fumigating gas were opened in every compartment and the boat sealed. Next morning bushel after bushel of dead rats and cockroaches were swept up. I'd noted with some revulsion on the Ha-boats the occasional rat leaping through a hatch from compartment to compartment, and hordes of scurrying roaches when a light was switched on, but I'd no idea that these boats carried so many verminous shipmates on patrol. If the I-400 had been rigged for dive when the rats and roaches were thrown overboard the Diving Officer would have had to order: Flood two hundred pounds to Auxiliary Tank from sea. "

I believe this is the reason why U-Boat personnel were not allowed on board I-8 or I-30 when they docked in France, as the Japanese Officers and Embassy personnel thought they would lose face by showing anyone inside the Submarine.

Your point about the better conditions on USN Ships over Royal Navy ones is absolutely true, by and large, not helped by the fact that some ships were transferred direct from Arctic Convoy duty to the Indian Ocean after European Hostilities ceased - they had plenty of Heating but no Air Conditioning, making things a little challenging for the Crews!

At least the Royal Navy Submarines that started to arrive in the Indian Ocean from late 1943 onwards were transferred from the Mediterranean, so were used to the kind of conditions they encountered (although the high humidity played havoc with any electronics they had).
A great point, made elsewhere, was that the key reason for installing Air Conditioning was to improve the reliability of the various items of Electronic Equipment used in the ships, and not Crew Comfort (although the siting of this equipment by some left a lot to be desired - for example, Type IX U-Boats had a key item of Electronic Equipment sited directly below the Main Hatchway, so was drenched in sea water every time they opened the hatch!).

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rebuttal from same forum:

If you read the NTJ Reports they point out that living quarters were cramped by western standards, but the ships that were still manned were clean throughout. In one of them a team went to RYUHO and commented on how neat their spare parts lockers were and that the decks were waxed, etc.

[peabody]

Thanks Admiral, appreciate the effort you are putting into this. My mind is going to explode with all the info here and in PMs. Now if I can just find time to use it all.:o

Work is progressing.

Peabody

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Ok. will cut engines to half ahead :) i get happy when there is a chance to share from the past what others have shared with me. I have hopes for pics of subs that may have been hidden away....we will see...

[rubenandthejets]

Every time I pop in here for a look I'm amazed at how much is going on! Sorry I can't help out with technical skills. I'll keep an eye out for photos etc.

Keltos san, what's you're snail mail address? PM me and the books will be on their way!

[Anton88]

We are trying to get all aspects right, as much as it is feasible anyways.

This said I look forward to hearing a few japanese sounds you'll make as long as you follow our guidelines.

Keltos

I agree with most of what you say Keltos. I'm not in a hurry, and I don't want you to release this mod prematurely.
If you rememember Silent Hunter II (made by different company/designers..).. that was a game released prematurely.

We'll get this one right from the start.
as for sounds, I got most japanese marches and army songs, as well as speeches from that era.. My radio and my gramophone folders will be full..
:03:

[Anton88]

Who put this movie up on Youtube.. with this IJN sub..
??

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=QGnzQdJ1aXg&feature=related




PS: .. I hope you find this one usefull =>
I-53 Type C3/C4 Submarine
http://www.freetimehobbies.com/ProductImages/lin/153_2.jpg

[peabody]

Who put this movie up on Youtube.. with this IJN sub..
??

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=QGnzQdJ1aXg&feature=related



I have the Sen Toku playable but it is the Fleet boat side, I am going to convert it to Uboat side. Keltos tells me it's too big, but I like it. You will see it in the campaign at least at a dock, whether we make it a playable or not we don't know, it actually never was used, the war ended when it was on it's first mission.

Peabody

[Anton88]

Who put this movie up on Youtube.. with this IJN sub..
??

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=QGnzQdJ1aXg&feature=related



I have the Sen Toku playable but it is the Fleet boat side, I am going to convert it to Uboat side. Keltos tells me it's too big, but I like it. You will see it in the campaign at least at a dock, whether we make it a playable or not we don't know, it actually never was used, the war ended when it was on it's first mission.

Peabody

I'm not sure about the "Launch aircraft option", if we will have that or not, i'd love to see that in the game..
but If I can make a small suggestion... regarding the Kaiten human torpedo.. we should have an option to launch them,..(not fire them from the torpedo tubes).
Each sub carried about 4 - 6 kaitens, towards the end.. as well as their regular torpedo loads. If they are in the tubes its.. 'unrealistic'

[cgjimeneza]

as for sounds, I got most japanese marches and army songs, as well as speeches from that era.. My radio and my gramophone folders will be full..
:03:

how about a Jap radio station to go with your mod..... you guys are working on that?

I helped with the transatlantic radio station so if you need help on that side of the shop/project...

[peabody]

Who put this movie up on Youtube.. with this IJN sub..
??

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=QGnzQdJ1aXg&feature=related


I have the Sen Toku playable but it is the Fleet boat side, I am going to convert it to Uboat side. Keltos tells me it's too big, but I like it. You will see it in the campaign at least at a dock, whether we make it a playable or not we don't know, it actually never was used, the war ended when it was on it's first mission.

Peabody
I'm not sure about the "Launch aircraft option", if we will have that or not, i'd love to see that in the game..
but If I can make a small suggestion... regarding the Kaiten human torpedo.. we should have an option to launch them,..(not fire them from the torpedo tubes).
Each sub carried about 4 - 6 kaitens, towards the end.. as well as their regular torpedo loads. If they are in the tubes its.. 'unrealistic'

Unfortunately the game has some limitations. Some can be overcome, some can not. You can not put a flyable plane on the gound, water, or ship, it will explode. There are two sets of planes. Flying ones and decoration, the plane on the Sen Toku, and any aircraft carriers are decoration. You can not spawn a plane (or anything else) within 20 miles of your sub. So even if you wanted to make a flyable plane appear and then take off, it won't happen. (that close to the sea, it would most likely crash anyway.) I assume they set it up like that so ships,subs and planes don't suddenly appear in front of you.

Technically you could "launch' Kaitens from an invisible tube on deck but we only have so many buttons and then you have to change tubes with the keyboard so you don't know which one is selected. And unless you are going to play the game with scuba gear and sit on deck, you won't know where it came from anyway. And it isn't even 'driven' like a Kaiten would be, we have to use an Acoustic to simulate the driving. You could also simulate by putting 4 Kaitens on the deck, go out and fire 4 Kaiten and return to base with 4 Kaitens on the deck, because that is how the game works. The torpedo does not actually appear until you fire it.

Peabody

[keltos01]

Who put this movie up on Youtube.. with this IJN sub..
??

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=QGnzQdJ1aXg&feature=related


I have the Sen Toku playable but it is the Fleet boat side, I am going to convert it to Uboat side. Keltos tells me it's too big, but I like it. You will see it in the campaign at least at a dock, whether we make it a playable or not we don't know, it actually never was used, the war ended when it was on it's first mission.

Peabody

I still think it's too big, and I never touched it since you made it playable, your thing so to speak, although it was the first sub I too tried to make playable way back when ;)

Well at least now we have the right guns for it and 8 torpedo tubes and lights, so it's ok, I wouldn't wanna have had it with the regular six tubes, missing 2 so to speak. now with 8 it's alright.

you still won't be able to submerged in coastal waters :har: even with the Type AM (i-14) it's hard !!!

keltos

[keltos01]

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/7671/textureandocclurc0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/textureandocclurc0.jpg/1/w1024.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img22/textureandocclurc0.jpg/1/)
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/aagunstexturedng0.jpg/1/w1024.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img16/aagunstexturedng0.jpg/1/)
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/9389/aa2nv8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/aa2nv8.jpg/1/w1024.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img27/aa2nv8.jpg/1/)


on this image you can see the single IJN 25 mm AA guns implemented by Peabody and me.

(edit) new occlusion map for AAs

[keltos01]

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/5235/dualct1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/dualct1.jpg/1/w1024.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img22/dualct1.jpg/1/)


http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/1029/dualpu1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/dualpu1.jpg/1/w1024.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img15/dualpu1.jpg/1/)

got hit a little, but sank 3 DDs with this beauty :yep:

keltos

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Banzai! 優れた 労役!

[keltos01]

Banzai! 優れた 労役! Aligato !

Keltos

ps that dual mount 5.5 inch really is something ! yesterday I played peabody's convoy attack mission (I usually get sunk at the end of either of his missions...) got two ships with my first salvo of type 89's, the third missed (I know I should fire first at the farthest target but...), then my other two salvoes didn't sink much, a damn liberty ship even refused to sink after one hit !

so I surfaced and engaged in a gun battle with the two escorts at first, sank them then engaged the third one.

one by one the ships went down.. thanks to this beautiful gun :)

I've heard rumors that only respectable captains will be able to obtain it...

keltos

Απλή σκαφτιάς έργο της ορθής

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Good News, I have heard back from Dr Manvell at the Nimitz Library USN, and they are helping us find what exists re interior pics, have a hot lead and am in hot pursuit as they recieved a priime collection of one of the few US Naval personal to be aboard an IJN sub underway and his entire collection of books, photos and some are Japanese sources... I will report back asap.

[peabody]

Good News, I have heard back from Dr Manvell at the Nimitz Library USN, and they are helping us find what exists re interior pics, have a hot lead and am in hot pursuit as they recieved a priime collection of one of the few US Naval personal to be aboard an IJN sub underway and his entire collection of books, photos and some are Japanese sources... I will report back asap.

Remind to give you a promotion....oh, wait you're an Admiral.:yeah:

Peabody

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Even Admirals like promotions :) thanks P. These folks at Nimitz are being really nice. They think the project sounds fascinating. So I am hopeful we may be able to find what there is. atleast on this side of the Pacific. :)

/me salutes

[peabody]

Even Admirals like promotions :) thanks P. These folks at Nimitz are being really nice. They think the project sounds fascinating. So I am hopeful we may be able to find what there is. atleast on this side of the Pacific. :)

/me salutes

Ya, but if I promote you, then you go from Admiral to Politician. :D

Peabody

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

oooo noooes

I go back to deckhand rather than politicians! they all deserve to be keelhauled....to start with. Same for Desk Admirals, and all shorebased supercargo :)

[Anton88]

Japanese Newsreels with Submaries in action

大日本帝国海軍潜水艦乗務記録

rare & detailed, interesting footage!
shows the interior of the boat, diving, surfacing and firing
Enjoy

#1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0LsAMLkT7M&feature=related
(this boat is possibly I-180)

#2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpMw_jhFfcM&feature=related


#3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp5YiQGWNOM&feature=related


#4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQqVhgBS0ag


#5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P39lg8ERBpY


#6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww3zgeIT6Wo&feature=related


#7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA07thaVAmk&feature=related



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http://deathboy.hp.infoseek.co.jp/picstock2/submarine/subi5702.JPG

& this "Submarine I-57 Will Not Surrender" japanese movie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAZycarJMAE&feature=related

& this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBzhfDUxP-E&feature=related
I suggest you donwload them, they are worth gold

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Banzai! Anton! Amazing. This is a WAR cruise of IJN sub I-10 active duty IJN submarine, Ketos knows about this movie (see his post below) and has posted about it ....great to see this life....

Peabody sir and K, these might make a great addition to the read me for the Campaign, they give an amazing insight in to sub service in IJN..!!

Here is the info on the sub, the I - 10
http://www.combinedfleet.com/I10.htm

Title of movies 1 -6 translate to:

Indian Navy's submarine record乗務Empire of Japan # 1-6
(Indian Ocean Submarine Cruise Record Empire of Japan)

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/9956/subunderwayql9.jpg

So far in first one, getting ready to put to sea pics... NCO Petty oifficer overseeing deck work, Crew Muster

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/2421/crewboardingqi1.jpg

crew muster dockside

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/722/crewmusterdocksidewp8.jpg

, Torp loading,

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/8199/loadingtorpsai6.jpg

down the hatch..

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/9808/loadingfishwo9.jpg

Resupply with food Marked for IJN sub service only (premium supplies) ....

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7565/provisioningmo0.jpg

detail of conning tower as resupply crew head for fore hatch

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9002/detailofconningtowercy2.jpg


wow, what amazing insights into the IJN sub service! A skipper or other officer giving indoc to crew about a misison into the Indian ocean!

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/4611/officerbriefingonmisisotj0.jpg

Faces of the crew at the briefing, chances are, with high losses of IJN subs, that none of these men survived the war......we are seeing the faces of our counterparts...and it is a moving thing to think on....

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/4259/crewfacesop7.jpg

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/9550/crewfromasternkd8.jpg

Champagne Toast for Officers and NCO's, officers have the sun helmets and on active duty the captain has a darker helmet.

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/191/campaigntoastforofficerzi4.jpg

No. 2 shows perfect shot of disposition of Bridge crew underway. topside underway, excellent shot of main bridge below, as well as helmsman in conning tower, with close up of dials! Chow line Japanese style...sushi! i think it was still flapping :) Detailed shots of Navigator and middy class in nav, More excellent ship board life shots, underway in heavy weather, foul weather gear, actual voice recordings ( i am guessing but not sure), engine room underway, and crash dive proceedure crew coming below being timed by the officers.

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

that is great K, good to know, it is exciting to see those pics. Quite a feeling to see them in real life.

I-10 Departing Port

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9201/subdepartingra6.jpg

smoke break

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9649/smokebreakme7.jpg

bridge crew at sea stations

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/990/bridgeatseawt4.jpg

Sea Bridge helsman station

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/2136/conningstationji7.jpg

View Below

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/998/interiorpk9.jpg

Chow Time....

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/5831/chowtimelj3.jpg

Officers's Mess has china and tableclothes....

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/2281/officersmessjm3.jpg

Navigation old style....shooting with the sextant...

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4257/shootingthesuncf8.jpg

Charting...from narrator they have reached Afrika, and are working the sea lanes from the Suez Canal

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/8324/chartingjr9.jpg

the Gauges

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/9179/thedialspj5.jpg

No. 3 shows sack time IJN style, amazingly little space! Battle Stations alert (they use a bell alarum plus loudspeaker), crew manning stations for dive, and actual footage of bow going under, and great view of diving planes and the planesmen at their stations! Periscope in action, view thru it, command bridge, and sufacing with an underwater cam catching the view from the bow. Deck gun crew manning gun and in action. Crew daily routine, Crew playing Go ! (looks like a close game :)) And officers playing cards.

Highlight of No. 4 so far....narrator saying "Bon Appetit!" and shot of crew picking up fish from the foredeck for dinner :) And close up of flying fish! Vitamins at dinner! Ships doc doing his work. Note: officers have special strip on shirt. ah ha! they used special dilating eye drops for night vision! :) Very moving view of Captain coming on the bridge stopping to bow to Emperor's shrine, great series of him climbing up to the top of the conning tower, gives details of those spaces. Torpedo firing proceedure, timed. Hand signal passing.

No. 5 Shipboard routine, taking on a passenger for interrogation... stations for systems underway view...

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2520/panelstations1rd5.jpg

at stations undeway

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/2228/planesmenijnym9.jpg

on the scope

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5662/scopeusedb4.jpg

sinking Allied ship (merchant) at night with deck gun, survivors taken on board, !!!!

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/336/survivorszm9.jpg

Pre action Officers Conference

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4122/preactionofficersconferbx4.jpg

[keltos01]

Japanese Newsreels with Submaries in action

大日本帝国海軍潜水艦乗務記録

rare & detailed, interesting footage!
shows the interior of the boat, diving, surfacing and firing
Enjoy

#1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0LsAMLkT7M&feature=related
(this boat is possibly I-180)
ou donwload them, they are worth gold
that's the movie Gochin !

IJN I-10 fifth war patrol - all RL !!!

I have the whole movie, I used a few shots (depth gauge with crescent arrow) for my dials.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=145437&highlight=gochin

gosh doesn't anyone ever read my threads ?????

I made a sound mod with the sounds from that movie awhile back including the dive alarm ...

here :
http://files.filefront.com/IJN+sound+mod+version+14erar/;12682913;/fileinfo.html

I received the movie from Zaza in Japan a year ago.So someone cut it to pieces and posted them on Utube, I only posted a couple shots myself.

keltos

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Lookouts on the Flying Bridge

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2746/lookoutsontheflyingbridtf1.jpg

and more on the main bridge....

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/7847/onthebridgeunderwaynm1.jpg


Watch Officer Below...

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/457/watchofficerbelowrm1.jpg

and this intriguing detail from behind him is the speaking tube array, a sound powered system that will work even if power is lost :)

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/1599/speakingtubearrayhq9.jpg

View Aft Below Conning Tower

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/9783/viewaftbelowconningtowexb1.jpg

View Fo'rard below Tower

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/515/viewforwardbelowconningan1.jpg

Sack Time

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/7123/sacktime1nj5.jpg

not a lot of room

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/5923/sacktime2em3.jpg



they used Bugles for sounding some formal ship functions like getting underweigh, and buzzers and voice tube and hand signals aboard ship and the bell gong for station calls

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/6098/alarumbellqw2.jpg

Officer on Deck about to sound Action Stations, that little thing hanging down is the plunger to push to sound the alaarum...bell

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/4529/officerondecksoundingacox7.jpg

Battle Stations, ship sighted....Bow submerging watching the bow dive planes in action...

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/352/bowdivingti6.jpg

Depth Gauge....

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/3715/depthgaugegp2.jpg

Diving stations.....and the gauges

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/2383/planesmen2kc2.jpg

Engine Room....

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/9184/engineroomll1.jpg

bearing.........

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/8744/compassmf9.jpg

Attack Scope.....

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/9451/attackperiscopeow1.jpg

deck gun in action, as bridge crew observes fall of shot

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1618/deckguninactionet1.jpg

Captains Conference

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/7944/captainsconferenceis4.jpg

[peabody]

Lookouts on the Flying Bridge





Nice pics Admiral

Peabody

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

it was Keltos and Anton who found this it is a wonderful wonderful resource....and may be unique....what a find :)

A new Target apparently was sighted and a confernce and orders followed on the attack bridge....

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9602/attackordersap9.jpg

and some orders are passed or confirmed by hand signals between watertight compartments..

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7628/handsignalstl3.jpg


Torpedo loaded on sighting of new target....

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2709/torpedobeingloadedop4.jpg

Target sighted....

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/300/targetsightedqw0.jpg

target in range....

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/532/targetinrangefy7.jpg

torpedos are fired by a full crew in the forward TT room, you can hear the release, they used 2, and the impact!

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/2311/torpedosfiredsz0.jpg

and the result....

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/1570/sinkingpr4.jpg

another victim...

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/9097/survivor0vu6.jpg

a survivor is pulled aboard.....


http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/3664/survivorbeingpulledaboauq2.jpg
and marched off for interogation....

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/6817/survivor2xh9.jpg

and interviewed in the officers mess....i hope he survived....

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/6638/survivor3xk7.jpg

intriguing details of shipboard routine and operations are shared...

insturments and gauges...

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4274/gauges2ll5.jpg

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9571/gauges4xm2.jpg

Dials....

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/1056/thedialseq7.jpg

the ship's Shrine which had a written prayer, possibly for the Emperor, placed at it each day, and was also prayed at before going on watch i think....

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/7922/shipshrinewk1.jpg

Crew praying...

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/676/prayingatshrinegr3.jpg

offiicer saying prayer before going topside....

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/3381/shipshrineofficerprayinfh7.jpg

I hope they have found Peace whereever they are now.... this is a remarkable chance to see and feel the life these men led and the boats that the IJN manned in that distant time, yet not so long ago.

Salute.

(ED: This ship was lost with all hands, and declared lost, suspected to have been sunk by two US ships, observing the crew in action one can see the problems the IJN had with their drive train and slow diving speed, you can watch times crash dives and other manuver in the film and watch the time it takes for them by stopwatch held by officers.)

[Anton88]

:))) I'm glad you found them 'educational' ;)
nice screenshots too!

I use Youtubedownloadstudio to pull them off youtube and save them as hi-quality
.avi
I got a brand new Acer Laptop and i'm gonna get to work on those files..
I got to change the operating system tough from Vista to Windows XP, and im having problems installing it and i cant even enter bios to make it boot from CD
:(
maybe you can help

peace

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Good move Anton, to XP, much better than Vista. You may have to reformat the drive from scratch i fear. I had to do that on one of my systems, well my tech did. I will ask him tomorrow for hints.

It was a joy and also somewhat painful to study those movies close up and find pics, i know some veterans from the IJN, and they have tried to describe their experiences to me, but there is nothing like seeing things with ones own eyes, the daily life and the ship board reality of those men, their fellowship and their young young faces.....and such fervor and faith. Truly we were two great nations, the US and Nippon and both so true to their own ideas, it was a great tragedy that we ended up in that conflict and so much bravery and courage and absolute loyalty to duty ....on both sides....

i have heard this from both sides in veterans i know, and great respect between them then..and now. thanks again to both you and to Keltos for getting this to us all, it is ...a very moving experince. I have more pics but had to take some time to be with my feelings that were raised by this experince..... before posting.

[Anton88]

Good move Anton, to XP, much better than Vista. .

.. you know the japanese had the largest subs in ww2, and some with between 120 - 155 men on board. On average about 100 men maybe..Their hulls were much thinner then the german ones, so they could not dive as deep... I can't imagine when one of these went down.. The war was horrible.. The ocean took tens of thousands and left no trace..

anyways, let me know if you can help me with my PC,

The system is an Acer Aspire 15.6" 5735-4401 model, and it's got 4 Gigs if Ram, therefore it came with the 64bit version of Vista. Let me know if you can help.

ps: some of this propaganda in these films we could use as radio broadcast in the game..

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Ok I will ask him, I am a dummy about tech but i have a really good tech and i will ask him if it is possible and how to put XP on there.

ys, knew that about the big I 400's and some of the other big boats. We found a journal by a US Naval officer who was on prize crew of one of them, and I am hopeful we can get a copy of the whole thing.

I think the movie has already helped Keltos a lot he has been working with it diligently and got sounds and lots of info off of it, it is a wonderful resource....

will see about the XP thing and let you know if i can find anything out.

[keltos01]

[quote=Admiral Von Gerlach]

I think the movie has already helped Keltos a lot he has been working with it diligently and got sounds and lots of info off of it, it is a wonderful resource....
[quote]

yes indeed, I didn't release it to the whole community because of probable copyrights for the movie : although it is from 1942, it has been digitized by a japanese company.

It is one of its kind, a true documentary of an IJN sub during a war patrol, and they picked one that was also very successful which was also rare at the time : sinkings, night gun battle etc..

The things we'd need are the logs from the I-1 for instance...
http://www.pacificwrecks.com/ships/subs/I-1.html

but over 200,000 pages of the remaining code books, charts, manuals, the ship's log and other secret documents fall into Allied hands
http://www.combinedfleet.com/I-1.htm

where are those pages now ??

and those pictures taken by usn personnel inside the captured IJN submarines in 1945-1946. They must've been released to the public by now, as have the USN reports of the mission to japan in 1946, the original of the pictures seen in those microfilms must still exist somewhere.

Were I still living in the US, I would try and get access to those, but it's a bit harder from Belgium :( I asked a few times on this forum if someone from the US could do that for me, but that was to no avail...

I made the depth gauge seen in the above pictures as well as a couple dials taken from real IJN sub instruments sold on ebay last month. My problem is the dials don't show up ingame (dials1.dds) so until I find which ones are used on the german boats, it's no use changing them.

keltos

[Anton88]

[...
I made the depth gauge seen in the above pictures as well as a couple dials taken from real IJN sub instruments sold on ebay last month. My problem is the dials don't show up ingame (dials1.dds) so until I find which ones are used on the german boats, it's no use changing them.

keltos

Have you seen the movie "Loreiel - the Witch of the Pacific" ? Some of the dials and equipment on that japanese boat is German, just like on uboats. That Submarine itself, is I-507.. the 500 class, larger then anything built before, and with 2 huge canons on the foredeck.. I wonder if this was a Japanese secret project for an even larger boat then the I400 class.
That movie is worth watching. (unfortunately its in japanese, and I have the danish, swedish, and norwegian subtitles.. anything but english :p )

[tater]

I made the depth gauge seen in the above pictures as well as a couple dials taken from real IJN sub instruments sold on ebay last month. My problem is the dials don't show up ingame (dials1.dds) so until I find which ones are used on the german boats, it's no use changing them.

keltos

Quick scan of Data/Textures folder:

Uboat9D2_CT_tif.dds
Uboat18_CT_tif.dds

? Others that look like that?

[keltos01]

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4297/surcouf8inchgunfm4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/2911/stampcapturestpierrefz0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/stampcapturestpierrefz0.jpg/1/w496.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img183/stampcapturestpierrefz0.jpg/1/)


[...
I made the depth gauge seen in the above pictures as well as a couple dials taken from real IJN sub instruments sold on ebay last month. My problem is the dials don't show up ingame (dials1.dds) so until I find which ones are used on the german boats, it's no use changing them.

keltos
Have you seen the movie "Loreiel - the Witch of the Pacific" ? Some of the dials and equipment on that japanese boat is German, just like on uboats. That Submarine itself, is I-507.. the 500 class, larger then anything built before, and with 2 huge canons on the foredeck.. I wonder if this was a Japanese secret project for an even larger boat then the I400 class.
That movie is worth watching. (unfortunately its in japanese, and I have the danish, swedish, and norwegian subtitles.. anything but english :p )
As i have stated somewhere else :

It is the french submarine Surcouf - a cruiser type submarine - wishfully taken over by the german - hence the dials - and give to the japanese at the end of the war with a special weapon to prevent a third atomic bomb of being launched against the Empire of Japan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surcouf_(N_N_3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surcouf_%28N_N_3))

I have the movie : bought it at a gas station for 9.99 euros.

keltos

[keltos01]

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/9141/towerdialsvp4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Quick scan of Data/Textures folder:

Uboat9D2_CT_tif.dds
Uboat18_CT_tif.dds

? Others that look like that?[/quote]

ok I modified those two : I now have a japanese telegraph in the conning tower :DL

but in the main room under it it is still german stuff... and they all have different sizes ! 122, 244, 306 pixel width...

and this one : data\menu\gui\layout\dials1.dds

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/6093/dials1js6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


where does it go ? what does it do ?

how did the devs find their eggs in all that ? oh yeah right, they didn't ! :har:

keltos

[tater]

Well, "CT" is obviously "Conning Tower."

Look for all the similarly named stuff, sans "CT."

[keltos01]

double in game :

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8995/sightmodelrepaireddoublqw7.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)


single ingame :

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/497/sightmodelrepairedsinglth7.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)
Peabody made all the gun files, I worked the 3d models.




Thanks Tater, will do.

here above is a view of the new Type 96 twin 25 mm AA and Type 98 single 25 mm AA ingame.

New IJN guns (meaning we don't use german stuff anymore) include :

Type 98 25 mm AA gun single

Type 96 25 mm twin AA gun

5.5 inch single deck gun

5.5 inch double deck gun

Keltos

[Anton88]

double in game :
New IJN guns (meaning we don't use german stuff anymore) include :

Type 98 25 mm AA gun single

5.5 inch single deck gun

5.5 inch double deck gun

Keltos

Not bad at all, - can we improve the texture on the MG magazines a bit? look good

Maybe these books will help you somewhat. I want that 2nd one. It's got submarine profiles (such as we need for the weapon loading screen in SHIV). maybe we can optain author's permission..)

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8057/imagerf6.jpg
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41I0jNSDufL.jpg
http://www.thegrillstoreandmore.com/image/products/big-pics/795152b.jpg
http://www.loopbacktest.com/mark/ebay/books/military/series/gakken/036.jpg
http://www.ijn.dreamhost.com/Reference/Images%20-%20Reference/Historical/Large/The%20Japanese%20Submarine%20Force%20and%20WWII.jp g
hope this helps - "bonne chance avec ton travail"

[keltos01]

double in game :
New IJN guns (meaning we don't use german stuff anymore) include :

Type 98 25 mm AA gun single

5.5 inch single deck gun

5.5 inch double deck gun

Keltos
Not bad at all, - can we improve the texture on the MG magazines a bit? look good

Maybe these books will help you somewhat. I want that 2nd one. It's got submarine profiles (such as we need for the weapon loading screen in SHIV). maybe we can optain author's permission..)

http://www.historicaviation.com/Image.po?pn=0015417&size=large


http://www.loopbacktest.com/mark/ebay/books/military/series/gakken/036.jpg

hope this helps - "bonne chance avec ton travail"
Thanks, all the other books I already have and I will get some new ones straight from Japan thanks to Rubenandthejets !

keltos

[Anton88]

Ok, so you dont need my help.. you all the japnese movies and book...

What would you like: - A glass of Leffe Beer, or a cup of Sake
:salute:

http://pixhost.ws/avaxhome/2006-09-14/ijn_subs2_orig.jpg

[keltos01]

Ok, so you dont need my help.. you all the japnese movies and book...

What would you like: - A glass of Leffe Beer, or a cup of Sake
:salute:

http://pixhost.ws/avaxhome/2006-09-14/ijn_subs2_orig.jpg

what book does that come from ?

I'm more of a Jupiler guy myself ;)

keltos

[rubenandthejets]

Kelts1-san!

That's one of the books Im sending you!!!:salute: #36 !!

IT'S YOURS!!!

#35 Koyru and Kouhyou teki is also on its way!

[Anton88]

[quote=rubenandthejets]Kelts1-san!

That's one of the books Im sending you!!!:salute: #36 !!

IT'S YOURS!!!

#35 Koyru and Kouhyou teki is also on its way![/:03: quote]


Honorable Master,
would you kindly send me some books too like that picture #2 book I put above,.. the Osprey book on Japanse submarines 1941-1945.
Maybe I have something I can send you... just ask

-peace

[cgjimeneza]

[quote=rubenandthejets]Kelts1-san!

That's one of the books Im sending you!!!:salute: #36 !!

IT'S YOURS!!!

#35 Koyru and Kouhyou teki is also on its way![/:03: quote]


Honorable Master,
would you kindly send me some books too like that picture #2 book I put above,.. the Osprey book on Japanse submarines 1941-1945.
Maybe I have something I can send you... just ask

-peace

sake for me and my radio files¿¿¿¿¿

cheers mate..

[peabody]

Invasion Force on the way, Clear those beaches!!!

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/5396/shellbeachjk1.jpg

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/3833/shellbeach2qw1.jpg

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/1141/shellbeach3yo3.jpg


Two Contacts Sir!!

http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/9564/noship2af2.jpg

Must be those Ghost Ships I heard about in SH4

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4245/noshipfv4.jpg


Peabody

[keltos01]

Ready the tubes 1 through 6,

get bearing from Type 93 passive sonar array

set depth at 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 and 60 feet !

Fire when ready !


thuuumb !

waiting...

[izzy1960]

To all the people in this development process, I give a massive thumbs up and continue to be amazed by the progress and the quality.
I was wondering when it would be felt this mod be on line ?

I don't want to clutter up this foreum with this question, but was unsure where it would be appropriate. It is not that I as disappointed with v1.5 as sold by the developer, but was dissappointed that I could not play the Japanese submarines. This mod would certainly fill that void.

You guys are doing great.

Smooth sailing and happy hunting.

[peabody]

To all the people in this development process, I give a massive thumbs up and continue to be amazed by the progress and the quality.
I was wondering when it would be felt this mod be on line ?

I don't want to clutter up this foreum with this question, but was unsure where it would be appropriate. It is not that I as disappointed with v1.5 as sold by the developer, but was dissappointed that I could not play the Japanese submarines. This mod would certainly fill that void.

You guys are doing great.

Smooth sailing and happy hunting.

Thanks Izzy1960, we are making progress. Real Life has slowed us some, but we keep going.

Peabody

[keltos01]

http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/3477/s3dld1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/583/type93mgdescrbj3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


it just needs a couple more changes ... Peabody ?
:03:

keltos

[tater]

Great work.

[keltos01]

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4439/13milfr1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Great work.

Thanks ! the view here above is just a tryout to see how it looks ingame, Peabody is doing the stand alone files as we speak.

This will give an edge to the campaign because one of those guns in the tub isn't gonna help you much... the range is only 6500 m. But in the campaign you will later be able to buy the better 25 mm type 98 single AA gun, then the typ 96 double 25 mm AA gun.

Keltos

[tater]

You have this link?

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fearth.endless.ne.jp%2Fuse rs%2Fmac0115%2Fjapanese%2520warships.html&sl=ja&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

[keltos01]

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/8278/i402hw7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fearth.endless.ne.jp%2Fuse rs%2Fmac0115%2Fjapanese%2520warships.html&sl=ja&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Sen Taka :

I-206 :


http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/2131/i206ge7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



I-204 :

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/4968/i204xt0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I-207 :

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/5223/i207lf1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)




http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fearth.endless.ne.jp%2Fuse rs%2Fmac0115%2Fjapanese%2520warships.html&sl=ja&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Jyunsen B type :

I-37


http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/725/i3720fy2.jpg (http://imageshack.us]http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/725/i3720fy2.jpghttp://img147.imageshack.us/img147/i3720fy2.jpg/1/w416.png)
[/URL]

isn't this the one you see in Gochin ? when leaving port ? I know it should be I-10 in that movie but.. :



1939 plan year.
March 10, completed in 1943 at the Kure arsenal.

1943 June 8, Indian Ocean, destructive operations engaged in the transport direction of the Arabian Sea (2 Shosen sink ships), the same year nine destruction operations at the direction of traffic from the east coast of Africa (5 tanker and sink ships) engaged in .

4 lightning damage in 1944 to touch off at Penang,


actually, no,
:up: Thanks Tater ! :up:

This site is good ! it has images (see above) that are new to me : do you see the hatch thing protruding from the second floor deck of the IJN I-402 tower ?

notice the flag too !

I really need to revamp the ingame model before we use it in the IJN campaign...

keltos

[keltos01]

I-54

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/8366/i54nz9.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)


I-56



http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/9886/i5620lc9.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)


I-16

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9192/i162ti5.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)


I-60 :

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/82/i60vf5.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)



I-52 :

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/7936/i52pl5.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)


Since when were submarines of WWII clean as a whistle ? no telltale smoke left when they operate (in game) on the surface ?

see RL pictures here above..

can someone mod this ? for the U-boot add on, german side ?

Keltos

[Stealhead]

This mod looks really exciting to me cant wait for it to be all done.
It will be great to play as Japan and the models look really good too.

[Anton88]

Photo of the day .. :salute:

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_cQw3NU_r4WY/R240lI7P1GI/AAAAAAAABKA/hIT0niTqcqY/1204_255010.jpg

[Arclight]

Very promising, I would love to give those Japanese torps a go. :up:

[keltos01]

you can always try them with the stock uboot add on for now, as the submarines btw.

go to my FF page

try the Jyunsen B v3.4 mod and the IJN torpedo mod version 3.7

keltos

[Sledgehammer427]

hmmm, it would be cool to drive a boat like the I-206.
any plans on building keltos?

[Stealhead]

Keltos I downloaded your IJN sub for the U-boat missions do I have to add the files in myself or can I just put the whole thing into my MODS jgsme folder and have jgsme do it for me? Again i cant wait for the complete IJN career to be released not that i want to rush you or anyhting take your time on it. :salute:

[keltos01]

hmmm, it would be cool to drive a boat like the I-206.
any plans on building keltos? :har::har::har:

[Sledgehammer427]

...illl take that as a no:O:

[keltos01]

...illl take that as a no:O:

wrong again, just finishing up the others and the guns etc.. first ;)

keltos

[keltos01]

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/9884/xjapsub7i400perishot.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
[/URL]

here it goes : an actual picture taken through a japanese periscope, a non blurry one this time too !

found here :
[URL="http://www.webenet.net/~ftoon/memory/japsub.html"]http://www.webenet.net/~ftoon/memory/japsub.html (http://g.imageshack.us/img7/xjapsub7i400perishot.jpg/1/)

keltos

now we need to mod the jap scope !

[peabody]

Getting the Japanese medals put in the box,

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9146/medalbox3.jpg


Peabody

[keltos01]

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4356/228705862o.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)


http://cgi.ebay.com/4-Captured-Japanese-Films-Submarine-IJN-Navy-Fleet-RARE_W0QQitemZ320342722384QQihZ011QQcategoryZ63821 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Well, I couldn't resist, and this is not an add or anything, but given the rarity (I knew only of Gochin thanks to Zaza)

I thought it worth posting here for those who might want it,

I've just got it from California, the first movie looks like a missing part of the Gochin movie, the picture is clearer than in the copy of gochin I had with all those black vertical lines, here there are none.

crew sleeping :

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/4647/19546019.jpg (http://img13.imageshack.us/my.php?image=19546019.jpg)

playing cards :

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5092/19708488.jpg (http://img23.imageshack.us/my.php?image=19708488.jpg)

good luck paper dolls ?

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/2661/hanging.jpg (http://img17.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hanging.jpg)

all quiet :

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/272/sleept.jpg (http://img17.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sleept.jpg)

range ?

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/2446/rangea.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rangea.jpg)


a good buy :)

keltos

[keltos01]

markings on periscope sheat :

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1248/markings.jpg (http://img21.imageshack.us/my.php?image=markings.jpg)

attack map :







http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/1794/attackmap.jpg (http://img13.imageshack.us/my.php?image=attackmap.jpg)

call :

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8297/trumpet.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trumpet.jpg)

[keltos01]

L type engine room :

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4858/ltypeengineroom.jpg (http://img7.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ltypeengineroom.jpg)

Telegraph L type :

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/3773/telegraph.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/my.php?image=telegraph.jpg)

control room when diving :

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/2111/contorlroom.jpg (http://img21.imageshack.us/my.php?image=contorlroom.jpg)

diving officers :

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7687/divingofficers.jpg (http://img21.imageshack.us/my.php?image=divingofficers.jpg)


(http://img21.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ltypesubmerging.jpg)

[keltos01]

diving gauge :

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4235/divegauge.jpg (http://img21.imageshack.us/my.php?image=divegauge.jpg)

L type submerging :

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4184/ltypesubmerging.jpg (http://img21.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ltypesubmerging.jpg)
Captain :

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/3192/captainp.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainp.jpg)


gauges :

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/7991/gaugesa.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gaugesa.jpg)

Periscope out of the water :

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5245/perioutsider.jpg (http://img23.imageshack.us/my.php?image=perioutsider.jpg)

(http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=periview.jpg)

[keltos01]

gauges going up :

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/10/gauges2.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gauges2.jpg)


sonar :

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/6268/sonar.jpg (http://img8.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sonar.jpg)

Captain on periscope :

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/7040/captainperiscope.jpg (http://img23.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainperiscope.jpg)


Periscope view (fake ?) :

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/8514/periview.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=periview.jpg)

compass :

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/8374/compass.jpg (http://img17.imageshack.us/my.php?image=compass.jpg)


b

[keltos01]

Periscope view 2 :

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/7472/periview2.jpg (http://img23.imageshack.us/my.php?image=periview2.jpg)


As the view moves with the periscope, and the ship - a DD ? - comes into view, I'd say the graduations are genuine, they are on the scope.

will post a short video later.

keltos

[keltos01]

another periscope peek :


http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4156/perisecond.jpg (http://img21.imageshack.us/my.php?image=perisecond.jpg)

the captain rises with the scope.

and fires torpedoes ! :

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/5050/torpfiringseq.jpg (http://img21.imageshack.us/my.php?image=torpfiringseq.jpg)


see the small torpedo room visible behind the open hatches

torpedo hits, you hear the explosion, then they all bow to the shrine :

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/928/shriner.jpg (http://img13.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shriner.jpg)


end of training exercise, 3 type L on the surface :

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/8757/3lsurf.jpg (http://img21.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3lsurf.jpg)


front view L type submarine on the surface :

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/6023/frontsubviewltype.jpg (http://img8.imageshack.us/my.php?image=frontsubviewltype.jpg)


c

[keltos01]

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4156/perisecond.jpg (http://img21.imageshack.us/my.php?image=perisecond.jpg)

video of L class submarine in training 1941 :

periscope, gauges etc...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3mSiHiR5gM


keltos

[keltos01]

version 1.2 IJN periscope mod

YATTA !!!!

found the real deal !!!

Major Walter Schmidt 's photo through a Kaiten type 10 periscope

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/1839/022xrh.th.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/my.php?image=022xrh.jpg)
http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7077



http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/6333/37554160.jpg (http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=37554160.jpg)


here's how it now looks ingame :) so far...

keltos

version 1.2 :

http://files.filefront.com/V+12+IJN+periscope+kaitesrar/;13447523;/fileinfo.html (http://files.filefront.com/V+12+IJN+periscope+kaitesrar/;13447523;/fileinfo.html)

[keltos01]

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4277/tripleaa.jpg (http://img9.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tripleaa.jpg)


http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/2042/tripleaa2.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tripleaa2.jpg)

ambiant occlusion map on :

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2849/ambocclu.jpg (http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ambocclu.jpg)


in S3D :


http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/704/tripleaacopie.jpg (http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tripleaacopie.jpg)

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5695/tripleaa3.jpg (http://img10.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tripleaa3.jpg)


To complete the AA guns file I am now working on a new cloned Triple AA gun, it has the single's base since the double and triple base from stock doesn't turn properly.

keltos

[Hitman]

range ?

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/2446/rangea.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rangea.jpg)




IMHO that is the log of travelled seamiles. More or less like in your conventional automobile...should be helpful for the navigation through dead reckoning (Prevents the navigator from having to keep a constant log of how much speed during how many hours, etc).

[keltos01]

At the end of the movie I think it's in the 2500 !

keltos

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Wow those new images are excellent, the sleeping quarters is certainly from Gochin, i recognize some faces and the interior from studying the earlier film. Great to see these K.

[keltos01]

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/6100/kure.jpg (http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kure.jpg)

why ramming is not for submarines ;) :

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6781/bump.jpg (http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bump.jpg)


http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2142/bump2.jpg (http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bump2.jpg)

good research link at Kure , although they are low-res and have that semi-transparent logo, there are lots of pictures there :

http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fyamato.kure-city.jp%2Fyamato%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.php%3Fsearch%3D photo&sl=ja&tl=en&history_state0=

or

http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fyamato.kure-city.jp%2Fyamato%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.php%3Fsearch%3D photo&sl=ja&tl=en&history_state0=

submarines !

keltos

[keltos01]

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/9879/type88.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/)

changed the RR.dat scope for the Typ II interior which I use for the Kaichu.

I don't know how it works when you are in the control room, but see here above, the type 88 periscope is in there !

coming shortly to the other subs of the Jyunsen B mod.

Keltos

[AVGWarhawk]

Nice stuff Keltos:up: Looks great.

[keltos01]

Type 88 periscope on the Kaichu :

in the marvelous tool S3D

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/1842/51350435.jpg (http://img22.imageshack.us/my.php?image=51350435.jpg)


view :

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/4696/periscopetype88.jpg (http://img23.imageshack.us/my.php?image=periscopetype88.jpg)

inside :

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/9964/type88scope.jpg (http://img9.imageshack.us/my.php?image=type88scope.jpg)

raised observation scope

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/1886/type88raised.jpg (http://img27.imageshack.us/my.php?image=type88raised.jpg)

what I don't get is the texture problem : looks fine in s3d awful in game, maybe there is an occlusion map for the object somewhere that I need to replace (I didn't do one for the well and the periscope yet) ?

and what's that big black and white round thingie in the lower right corner ???

Didn't I just see that in an IJN training movie from 1941 ??

keltos

[keltos01]

Observation Periscope Type 88 for the Kaichu submarine :


in well :

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2980/peritype88.jpg (http://img9.imageshack.us/my.php?image=peritype88.jpg)


raised :

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/3008/peritype88raised.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/my.php?image=peritype88raised.jpg)

from back :

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/6933/peritype88back.jpg (http://img9.imageshack.us/my.php?image=peritype88back.jpg)


labelled :

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/3008/peritype88raised.jpg (http://img13.imageshack.us/my.php?image=peritype88raised.jpg)

[edit ] added the label on the scope, if you could look close enough you'd see it's the real deal, well you can always open the texture file and read it :yep:

the texture on the head might be a bit bland, but that can always be changed.

now to the other boats ;)

keltos

[Arclight]

Some pretty amazing work there, Keltos. Great to see the ongoing progress. Can't wait to give the campaign a whirl. :up:

[thyro]

Very nice work Keltos

Do you intent to include the torp rooms, crew quarters and galley to allow walking around? Cheers

[keltos01]

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/9186/peri.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/)

I re-worked the Type 88 periscope 3d model's texture.

I did the same for all guns and the Type 95 torpedo which now has its own unique texture.

keltos

[Regio Sommergibile]

Looks great! :up:

[keltos01]

Type 88 periscope in game :

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/6711/peritypxviii.jpg (http://img19.imageshack.us/my.php?image=peritypxviii.jpg)

keltos

[denis_469]

Keltos01 - may be you made ths submarine like AI?
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1076759&postcount=2

[keltos01]

New guns :

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4184/doubledg.jpg (http://img9.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doubledg.jpg)


keltos

[Regio Sommergibile]

Looking great! awesome firepower, but this pic makes me think something... that is weapons need supports. Maybe i'm whining and you haven't finished yet...! :DL Btw you know what i mean. "metallic discs" under the guns.

[keltos01]

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/4184/doubledg.jpg (http://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doubledg.jpg)

J1M packs some punch !

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4184/doubledg.jpg (http://img19.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doubledg.jpg)

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/647/doubledgi.jpg (http://img10.imageshack.us/my.php?image=doubledgi.jpg)


If I am to make a dented wheel under I need to be sure there was one Reggio.

Peabody : the triple is a beaut' ! a very very nice addition to the mod
:yeah:

keltos

[Regio Sommergibile]

Peabody : the triple is a beaut' ! a very very nice addition to the mod

Yep! that should be enough not to dive everytime! ;)

[The Fishlord]

Keltos...Pardon my language if I tell you that that is f*cking awesome. I can't wait for a full Japanese campaign.

[keltos01]

We now need good gun textures to pu on the guns..

the 5.5 inch single is fixed thanks to Nisgeis :)

keltos

[keltos01]

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/1354/jbgun.jpg (http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jbgun.jpg)


keltos

[Regio Sommergibile]

more & more! :up:

[keltos01]

another view :

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1695/jbdg.jpg (http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jbdg.jpg)


http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1695/jbdg.jpg (http://img10.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jbdg.jpg)

keltos

[keltos01]

http://img10.imagehosting.gr/out.php/i541403_guns.jpg (http://imagehosting.gr)



a picture is worth a thousand words...

keltos

[Regio Sommergibile]

mmmm......japanese sushi....:lurk:

[keltos01]

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/8702/gunscopy.jpg (http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gunscopy.jpg)



triple done at last !

keltos

[keltos01]

back home ! so bump !

[Nisgeis]

Welcome back! Enjoy the skiing?

[Webster]

:yeah:

[NEON DEON]

Holy Cr%p! Look at all thoes guns! :D

I am going to need a sedative.:cool:

[keltos01]

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/8702/gunscopy.jpg (http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gunscopy.jpg)

Holy Cr%p! Look at all thoes guns! :D

I am going to need a sedative.:cool:

well Neon, just trying to be as accurate as we can mod ;)

Thanks to Peabody all those guns were implemented in game and are in version 3.9 of the Jyunsen B etc... mod , but we also have dedicated radars for our boats, and sonar, sub coatings and a couple weird gizmos they used as noisemakers (including a towed hydrophone that could play different sounds !)

The Jyunsen B mod version 3.9 (a few dev only versions from 3.4 to 3.9) is ready, but should only be released with the coming IJN Japanese Campaign that Peabody is polishing up.

gosh there's a lot to read when one is away for so long ;)

in the meantime I made a new damage model for the Jyunsen B sub, it's on my main FF page, just slip in the sub's directory (trial) :

http://files.filefront.com/NSS+Jyunsen+Bzon/;13636071;/fileinfo.html

keltos

[Regio Sommergibile]

What's the progress at this stage ?

EDIT:

Any hope for the Maya inclusion as surface campaign ?

[keltos01]

What's the progress at this stage ?

EDIT:

Any hope for the Maya inclusion as surface campaign ?

The subs are ready, as are the guns but we have to check a texture problem (same ids we think) caused by some of the guns to ship turrets ?

I have done the remodelling of the Jyunsen B damage model (boxes and spheres) but haven't touched the sinking rate etc.. yet. They should be done in a week at the most.

I intend to include a new damage model for all subs, as for the campaign it's Peabody's say, I don't know how far we are from a beta, even if I have tested parts of the campaign for months now.

the "static" parts of the campaign are done (screens, medals thanks to captain scurvy and artists John Meeks and Michel Guyot) including the ranks and name mod by Takao (from whom we haven't heard in months)

Rubenand thejets is working on the voices, but that should come in a second beta ?

Peabody is polishing the campaign layers now, but I'll let him answer how far from a beta we are as those layers make the missions thus the game.

keltos

[rubenandthejets]

Um...:oops:
Voices are proving to be difficult...the main problem being my life has gotten in the way. I'm still chasing a few leads but it looks liek I won't be able to do this.

Sorry guys.

I'll keep you posted.

[keltos01]

Um...:oops:
Voices are proving to be difficult...the main problem being my life has gotten in the way. I'm still chasing a few leads but it looks liek I won't be able to do this.

Sorry guys.

I'll keep you posted.

Take your time, the voices will be the icing on the cake :)

RL first

keltos

[keltos01]

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1218/amgunsnewids.jpg (http://img10.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amgunsnewids.jpg)


I changed the ids on all gun textures, here seen ingame on the Type AM submarine so as not to have conflicts with other textures ingame as you suggested Peabody.

boy do I love that triple AA !

keltos

[peabody]

Well to answer the question: I don't know. I am not "polishing' up the Campaign, it very simply isn't done. There have been a lot of things both on the subs and in the Campaign to figure out and test and that takes time. Now that some of the gun problems are fixed, I can get back to working on the Campaign, so I hope it won't be long. (But I have said that before)

Writing the Campaign takes time but is not the big time consumer. Research and testing take forever. And finding mistakes either on the subs, guns or in the Campaign also take a lot of time for beginners like us. I am not trying to make excuses, I wanted this released a long time ago, but it didn't happen, but I am also a LOT closer than I was.

A tip for other beginners out there, sometimes finding a mistake can take a loooog time, sometimes it is just easier and faster to do start over. I made the wrong choice, and ended up having to do it over anyway.

Peabody

[keltos01]

I wanted to see my 3d damage model so I surfaced in Webster torpedo test mission, then crash dived immediately but ...

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/8118/damage3d.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/my.php?image=damage3d.jpg)

I guess a Jyunsen B isn't that armored after all... but why is my torpedo room flooding ?? I wonder...

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/1985/damage3dt.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/my.php?image=damage3dt.jpg)


http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8118/damage3d.jpg (http://img10.imageshack.us/my.php?image=damage3d.jpg)

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5646/damage3db.jpg (http://img10.imageshack.us/my.php?image=damage3db.jpg)

damage assesment :

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/8118/damage3d.jpg (http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=damage3d.jpg)


obviously, depth charges are better for a sub than shells...

keltos

[NEON DEON]

I might have to switch sides after this comes out.:)

If you have a duplicate id on a gun, could that cause a ctd?

[peabody]

I might have to switch sides after this comes out.:)

If you have a duplicate id on a gun, could that cause a ctd?

Duplicate IDs can cause problems. Did you have this problem? We did find a duplicate ID on a gun, but it was not actually the gun but the Material node. We did not discover it until the gun was actually available to purchase to put on the sub, so it is a recent discovery.
If you do have a problem, let us know so we can check to see if it is the one that has been fixed and get a release to fix it for those of you that are Keltos subs in the German Campaign.

Peabody

[NEON DEON]

Duplicate IDs can cause problems. Did you have this problem? We did find a duplicate ID on a gun, but it was not actually the gun but the Material node. We did not discover it until the gun was actually available to purchase to put on the sub, so it is a recent discovery.
If you do have a problem, let us know so we can check to see if it is the one that has been fixed and get a release to fix it for those of you that are Keltos subs in the German Campaign.

Peabody

No its not on the your sub.

I was asking based on my messing with the twin 40 and trying to get it to work on the ms32 conning tower in 1.4. The gun will fire from the aft position but eventually it will cause a ctd as you get longer into the campaign with it. In the forward AA position, it ctds the first time you try and fire it manually.

[peabody]

No its not on the your sub.

I was asking based on my messing with the twin 40 and trying to get it to work on the ms32 conning tower in 1.4. The gun will fire from the aft position but eventually it will cause a ctd as you get longer into the campaign with it. In the forward AA position, it ctds the first time you try and fire it manually.

I don't know what the ms32 conning tower is. But crashing as you get longer into the campaign doesn't sound like an ID problem to me. I'm no expert, just a beginner.

Peabody

[keltos01]

I added :

a zone 66 aft of the tower, where the triple AA could be located,

a sphere and a box type=64 for the JB tub AA on the tower.

added spheres to the tower of the JB for the hangar and observation deck

added box 192=AttackCenter attack center for the obs deck of the tower.

added box 179=HangarDeck for the hangar of the JB.

added shpere and box type=52 (radar) on the hangar.

my JB had two AAs : one in the tub one on deck aft of the tub :

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9671/58756729.jpg (http://img13.imageshack.us/my.php?image=58756729.jpg)

I surfaced...

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/5233/newaazone.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newaazone.jpg)

something went BOOOM in my tub !!!


http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/7217/wounded.jpg (http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wounded.jpg)

guess it was my AA....

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/5021/boome.jpg (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boome.jpg)


Webster : one should never surface in your torpedo test mission !!!! :har:

Keltos

[keltos01]

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/7194/gunsnozon.jpg (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gunsnozon.jpg)


no zon for the guns : they stay put even under a heavy pounding !

keltos

[keltos01]

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/5498/95pc.jpg (http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=95pc.jpg)


I had to ditch the hull new zon file for now but the tower's is ok.

with stock zones.cfg : engines destroyed at 95 % after 5-6 attacks, not bad !!!

keltos

[Regio Sommergibile]

with stock zones.cfg : engines destroyed at 95 % after 5-6 attacks, not bad

It's a matter of # of attacks and not precision/entity ? Just # of attacks ?

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

wow, you guys are making progress! looking good! :)

[keltos01]

I want to get the Jyunsen B new damage model ready for the campaign, as it was the sub that we originally planned to use, the others came later.

I have so far redone (place and size) the spheres for the Jyunsen B, and saved a copy of it, now I will re-do the boxes, then save that version, then do one with new damage boxes, and save that version, and see if they all work with no CTD with the 3.9 version of the Jyunsen B mod.

I sincerely hope so !

now we have collision spheres that exactly follow the ship's hull, then we should have boxes that do the same.

I still don't know why the engines are so easily destroyed and neither do I have a way to fix it (for now I hope)

@Regio sommergibile : I don't know, I watched the dc as they fell and exploded around the sub, the worst damage was done by those two dc that drop off the stern of the DD, when they are accurate i.e. hit the ship, they wreak havoc ! I still think that the engines are too weakly protected, I had to make a bigger box for the engine room to fit the sub, but that makes it a bigger target ! so we might have to find a way to tweak the armor on the engines..

keltos

[keltos01]

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/8476/58491906.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/)
http://cgi.ebay.com/WW2-US-AERIAL-PHOTO-JAPANESE-B-CLASS-SUBMARINE_W0QQitemZ330326743311QQihZ014QQcategoryZ 4727QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

found this image on ebay !!! the sub is a Jyunsen B, the top rudder is to the right of the image, the catapult to the left with the conning tower inthe center and the aircraft hangar center left.

keltos

[keltos01]

IBDM v 1.0

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9454/ibdmjbv1b.jpg (http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ibdmjbv1b.jpg)



http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/7288/ibdmjbv1.jpg (http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ibdmjbv1.jpg)

6th attack...

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9454/ibdmjbv1b.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ibdmjbv1b.jpg)


I increased the number of spheres from 52 to 70 to fit the Jyunsen B like a glove, I then moved to the damage boxes and set them according to the 3D model I had made earlier from the JB blueprints.

No boxes were added, just moved and resized.

The tower has been done as well, there are now collision spheres on both scopes heads and the scope and the snorkel now have damage boxes too.

If you look here above, after one DC attack, both scopes are destroyed, the propeller shaft and bold launcher are damaged.

so is the dive plane transmission, erm ? destroyed ? what does that mean ??

I love it, especially without the CTD that plagued my earlier version :)

now to fine tuning, only the Jyunsen B, our workhorse, is done so far, others to follow.

At some point we might need a few testers, pm me or Peabody if you are interrested.

Keltos

[Regio Sommergibile]

I would be the first to propose but this is not the right time for me...also i'm running on Win7 so...;)

[keltos01]

The next sub in line for the campaign is the :

Type C2 Submarine (I-47 CLASS)

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/3821/i47.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/)

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2483/rysi46.gif (http://www.imagehosting.com/)
(http://www.combinedfleet.com/type_c2.htm (http://www.combinedfleet.com/type_c2.htm))


in 3DS :

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/4383/3ds.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/)http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/9708/classc2i46b.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/)


http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1334/classc2i46bb.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/)

Units3 (one survived)
Ships I-46, I-47, I-48

Year(s) Completed 1943-1944

Displacement 2,557 tons / 3,564 tons

Dimensions 358.5 ft x 29.75 ft x 17.5 ft

Machinery2 diesels: 12,400 hp electric motors: 2,000 hp

Speed 23.5 knots / 8 knots

Range 14,000 nm @ 16 knots

Armament 8x533mm TT fwd + 1x14cm/50 cal. (20 torpedoes).

Max. Depth 100 m (330 feet)

Crew 101 officers and men


The Type C2 was nearly identical to the Type C1. The biggest difference was that the Type C2 lacked fittings for carrying midget submarines. Seven further units of this type were canceled in 1942-1943 before construction began.
I-46 was sunk by destroyers USS Helm and USS Gridley off Leyte on 28 October 1944. Three American destroyer escorts put an end to I-48 near Yap on 23 January 1945. I-47 survived the war, and was scuttled off Goto Island in 1946.
http://www.combinedfleet.com/type_c2.htm (http://www.combinedfleet.com/type_c2.htm)


The ship I am building will thus be available covering the availability dates of both the C1 and C2 types.

keltos

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

wow

[keltos01]

surface the boat !

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/7391/36884013.jpg (http://img41.imageshack.us/my.php?image=36884013.jpg)

all ahead on third !

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/2250/c2b.jpg (http://img35.imageshack.us/my.php?image=c2b.jpg)

Man the kaitens !

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/2480/c2c.jpg (http://img42.imageshack.us/my.php?image=c2c.jpg)

from the stern :

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/2007/c2stern.jpg (http://img42.imageshack.us/my.php?image=c2stern.jpg)


New course 180 !

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/4237/c2i47.jpg (http://img196.imageshack.us/my.php?image=c2i47.jpg)

now the model needs some more work :

a few holes to plug, the darn inside texture of the tower has flipped again, the aft tubes have to be brought forward,the zones have to be remade and updated etc... the AAs need to be moved as does the DG..

some of the crew have disappeared ? awol again ?!

but it's looking good for the I-47 :)

keltos

[Regio Sommergibile]

8 FORWARDS !?!?!??!?!?! :doh:

[keltos01]

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/4483/c2d.jpg (http://img32.imageshack.us/my.php?image=c2d.jpg)


8 FORWARDS !?!?!??!?!?! :doh:

yeah ! ;) so does the Sen Toku btw. look at the bow : 2 tubes just above the waterline...

The I-47 seen here above is a C2, nearly identical to the C1, so we might make it available throughout the war, or make a C1, I don't know yet.

then we'll have to add a couple dummy tubes on deck for those Kaitens so they don't show inside the sub, if that can be done that is..

[edit] just changed the stern tubes to positive values (Peabody's idea for the Class T), now all 8 fire forward ! :)

keltos

[Regio Sommergibile]

look at the bow : 2 tubes just above the waterline...

Purpose ?

[keltos01]

I-47

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/4483/c2d.jpg (http://img32.imageshack.us/my.php?image=c2d.jpg)

that's how they were set up : two groups of two on either side of the bow, the upper 2 just above the waterline is all.

keltos

[keltos01]

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/2796/uilithi.jpg (http://img43.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uilithi.jpg)

8 tubes, all firing forward !

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/363/8tubes.jpg (http://img34.imageshack.us/my.php?image=8tubes.jpg)


Not Uilithi Atoll Webster's torpedo test mission but close enough for now, took a pounding with the new C2 testing its new zones ;), they work, they just need tweaking a tiny little bit ;)

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/2559/c2damage.jpg (http://img32.imageshack.us/my.php?image=c2damage.jpg)

spheres added on Kaitens, now they get hit but do they get destroyed ??? beware ! ;)

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/2051/kaitenhit.jpg (http://img30.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kaitenhit.jpg)


keltos

[keltos01]

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9114/torpc2.jpg (http://img43.imageshack.us/my.php?image=torpc2.jpg)



everytime I try to rename the whole mod, based on the Kaidai3b, to NSS_C2 etc.. it CTD when I do the campaign, although it's just changind all "kaidai3B" occurences into "C2".

I don't get it...

but here are the 8 fore tube :) I moved the stern tubes to the bow torpedo room in the upcge.

I now need someone to help me create a new torpedo room in the upcge etc..., bow torpedo room # 2, then I'll set 4 tubes in each and give each its own damage model.

keltos

[denis_469]

Keltos01 - especially for you:

May be my english not good - "27 September 1943:
At Truk. LtCdr Kobayashi Shigeo (former CO of I-171) assumes command. (Kobayashi helped to adapt the IJN's 24-inch Type 93 "Long Lance" torpedo to the 21-inch Type 95 torpedo used by submarines.) "

I unknow what is it, but apparantly sub was modified to 610mm torpedoes instead 533mm. But I unsure... I have not copy patrol reports from I-19, but it very interesting...

It's "I-19" before last war patrol. 17 oktober 1943 submarine start last war patrol and sunk. From 14 september to 27 september submarine was in floating dock in Truk. Last war patrol was in Hawaii area.

[peabody]

look at the bow : 2 tubes just above the waterline...

Purpose ?

So the torpedos won't get wet. :woot:

Peabody

[Regio Sommergibile]

LOL

[keltos01]

Guys !.... :har:

and I thought there was gonna be an interresting anwser...

keltos

[keltos01]

The Cruiser submarine Type-C (巡潜丙型 ,Junsen Hei-gata)


http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/1802/typec1.gif (http://www.imagehosting.com/)

C1 :
Units
5 (none survived)
Ships
I-16, I-18, I-20, I-22, I-24
Year(s) Completed
1940-1941
Displacement
2,554 tons / 3,561 tons
Dimensions
358.5 ft x 30 ft x 17.5 ft
Machinery
2 diesels: 12,400 hp electric motors: 2,000 hp
Speed
23.5 knots / 8 knots
Range
14,000 nm @ 16 knots
Armament
8x533mm TT fwd + 1x14cm/50 cal. (20 torpedoes).
Max. Depth
100 m (330 feet)
Crew
101 officers and men


The C1 design was developed from the Type KD6. These carried no aircraft, but they did have fittings for carrying a midget submarine aft. This was later modified to accommodate a 46-foot daihatsu barge. Their eight torpedo tubes were all forward and were served via two separate torpedo rooms, one above the other.

These five boats carried the five midget submarines that were deployed to assist the attack on Pearl Harbor. All of the midgets were lost, and only one actually entered the harbor. It fired its two torpedoes at a seaplane tender and a destroyer, but hit neither, and was promptly sunk by the destroyer.

On 30 May 1942, I-16 and I-20 launched midgets outside the British naval base at Diego Suarez, Madegascar. A third midget, from I-18, failed to launch. The midget from I-20 damaged battleship HMS Ramillies with one of his torpedoes and sank a tanker with the other. Neither midget survived, although the crew of the midget from I-20 made it ashore, only to be shot and killed by British soldiers.

An attack on Sydney Harbor the very next evening achieved nothing, and the five midgets employed, including those from I-22 and I-24, were all lost. I-16, I-20, and I-24 were used to launch midgets off Guadalcanal on 7 November 1942, when the midget from I-20 damaged a transport, but again none of the midgets survived the attack. None of the C1 Type survived the war. Famed destroyer escort USS England sank I-16 northeast of the Solomons on 19 May 1944. I-18 was lost to destroyer USS Fletcher and an aircraft from cruiser USS Helena south of the Solomons on 11 February 1943. I-20 was an operational loss in the New Hebrides on 10 October 1943, while I-22 was lost operationally in the Solomons on 1 October, 1942. Patrol Craft PC-487 sank I-24 off Attu in the Aleutians 11 June, 1943.


The Type C2 was nearly identical to the Type C1. The biggest difference was that the Type C2 lacked fittings for carrying midget submarines. Seven further units of this type were canceled in 1942-1943 before construction began.

C2 :
Units
3 (one survived)
Ships
I-46, I-47, I-48
Year(s) Completed
1943-1944
Displacement
2,557 tons / 3,564 tons
Dimensions
358.5 ft x 29.75 ft x 17.5 ft
Machinery
2 diesels: 12,400 hp electric motors: 2,000 hp
Speed
23.5 knots / 8 knots
Range
14,000 nm @ 16 knots
Armament
8x533mm TT fwd + 1x14cm/50 cal. (20 torpedoes).
Max. Depth
100 m (330 feet)
Crew
101 officers and men

I-46 was sunk by destroyers USS Helm and USS Gridley off Leyte on 28 October 1944. Three American destroyer escorts put an end to I-48 near Yap on 23 January 1945. I-47 survived the war, and was scuttled off Goto Island in 1946.

http://www.combinedfleet.com/type_c1.htm (http://www.combinedfleet.com/type_c1.htm)

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/6159/c12q.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/)

so given the similarities, there will be only one class of sub in the mod : the C1/C2, if you start before 1943 then it's a C1, if later, it's a C2. we could of course clone it to have both, but the characteristics are so similar that it would be a waste of space.

more intel on the ships they sank (and quite afew at that !):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Type-C_submarine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Type-C_submarine)

keltos

[keltos01]

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2821/60754400.jpg (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=60754400.jpg)


there it goes, so far.. got the 8 tubes working, need to polish up the 3d model of the hull, set the torpedo doors etc...

keltos

[Regio Sommergibile]

In the prow the texture seems really realistic metal :up:

[Freakwave]

This mod looks really cool, or should i say hot and wet :sunny:

[keltos01]

IJN Type C2 submarine stand alone :

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/7926/c2copy.jpg (http://img83.imageshack.us/my.php?image=c2copy.jpg)


Jyunsen_C2 stand alone :

still some issues :
torpedo doors
DG needs moving down a bit
AAs and crew need moving
no type 22 drum radar
torpedo load needs refining

but it works ! :) :)

now I'll try to add another tube or two for the Kaiten only, game allowing that is !

download :

http://files.filefront.com/IJN+type+C2+v+17+0519rar/;13781049;/fileinfo.html

enjoy untill the campaign comes out !

keltos

[keltos01]

IJN Jyunsen C2 submarine :

torpedo loadout :
includes a new submarine blueprint with 4 torpedo doors on the bow.

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/2029/c2lodaout.jpg (http://img33.imageshack.us/my.php?image=c2lodaout.jpg)

the right amount of torpedoes : 12 in the room, 8 in the forward tubes.

docked :

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/6515/32689358.jpg (http://img35.imageshack.us/my.php?image=32689358.jpg)

The Philadelphia Experiment :

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/5899/philadelphiaexperiment.jpg (http://img35.imageshack.us/my.php?image=philadelphiaexperiment.jpg)

respective sizes :

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/5010/12343035.jpg (http://img35.imageshack.us/my.php?image=12343035.jpg)

firing the DG :

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/6939/fringgun.jpg (http://img29.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fringgun.jpg)

stern AA guns and Kaitens :

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4475/rearaakaitens.jpg (http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rearaakaitens.jpg)


It is still a progessing WIP but the IJN Jyunsen C2 has been added to the Jyunsen B mod.

keltos

[U-46 Commander]

Where acan i download this mod?

[keltos01]

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/9900/c2ibdm.jpg (http://img33.imageshack.us/my.php?image=c2ibdm.jpg)


I moved the spheres and boxes, didn't change the upcge armor values though, one attack :

all destroyed d.. ??????

will revert to stock and see what...

edit:
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/9900/c2ibdm.jpg (http://img196.imageshack.us/my.php?image=c2ibdm.jpg)


stock, two dc attacks... better but...

edit : collisionnable object armor was still set to 10.0... fleet boats are 25.0... set it to 30. we'll see now

keltos

[keltos01]

The Jyunsen B v3.9.2 mod is proud to announce :

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/1528/sentoku.jpg (http://img33.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sentoku.jpg)


The IJN Sen Toku I is currently in wet dock, latest equipment is being fitted out.

All 8 forward torpedo tubes report functionnal.

The guns are expected soon.


keltos

[XTBilly]

Awesome !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Congratulations !!!

[keltos01]

thanks Polyfiller, I think that might've done it :)


6th attack :

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/4984/626thattack.jpg (http://img40.imageshack.us/my.php?image=626thattack.jpg)

damaged but still there !:har:

look at the depth ! then I went down to 1640 feet , now I'm sitting it out on the bottom sort of !but couldn't get back up of course ;)

ok now I can try and set 4 tubes per torpedo room, set the stern torpedo room to take torps from the bow bunker and set them up on the bow one on top of the other like in RL and like in the Sen Toku (which has since been added to the Jyunsen B.. v3.9.2 mod 8) )

keltos

[keltos01]

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4812/cartwheeling.jpg (http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cartwheeling.jpg)


I set them as 148 ammotorp, they got hit and went cartwheeling ! but I now need to separate the 3 models into individual entities..

otherwise, the new C2 damage model (IBDM v 1.3) is fine ! you can get a lot of damage and try and repair it before sinking :

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/8779/c2dama.jpg (http://img32.imageshack.us/my.php?image=c2dama.jpg)


then again, I just said you could "try" ;)

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/7383/c2damam.jpg (http://img32.imageshack.us/my.php?image=c2damam.jpg)


keltos

[peabody]

I now need someone to help me create a new torpedo room in the upcge etc..., bow torpedo room # 2, then I'll set 4 tubes in each and give each its own damage model.

keltos

You mean like this?

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/1354/torproom1.jpg

Just a quick throw together to see if it would work. It does, but all the equipment from the aft torp room is now in the engine room, so the damage model may be wrong and we may have to put the stern torp room back in or change DM. Needs testing.

Peabody

[keltos01]

You mean like this?

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/1354/torproom1.jpg

Peabody

exactly ! Peabody, you're the man ! :yeah:

now I can sleep at night ;)

what files did you change (you can just pm that if that's ok)

Now at least it is real life like ! I made the two zones one on top of the other, zones linked to the "stern" and Bow torpedo rooms, so that would just fit perfectly.

I still can't believe you did it ! :up:

keltos

[peabody]

exactly ! Peabody, you're the man ! :yeah:

now I can sleep at night ;)

what files did you change (you can just pm that if that's ok)

Now at least it is real life like ! I made the two zones one on top of the other, zones linked to the "stern" and Bow torpedo rooms, so that would just fit perfectly.

I still can't believe you did it ! :up:

keltos

Like I commented it was just a 'throw it together' thing to see if it would work. Still some issues to work out. Notice the engine room has two bulkheads, one is the stern torpedo room and the other is the engine room. Everything from the stern torpedo room (no tubes) is in the engine room. Like the bulkhead, propeller shafts, dive planes transmission, etc. So there will be some work to do, not hard just takes time. And the crew all need to be renumbered for the compartments.

Also just named them Upper and Lower because you said they were positioned that way, but that can be changed easily.

Peabody

[UBOOT_fan]

is this a work in progress or is it already released ? (the sub and campaign)

[peabody]

is this a work in progress or is it already released ? (the sub and campaign)

It is still a WIP but the subs are available in an older version. Two of them will not be in there, and you can sail them in the German Campaign.

Keltos01 could tell you which is the latest stable version, he has been doing work on the damage model and a couple new subs. This is his thread on the subs, you could ask there or just PM him.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=137761

The Japanese Campaign should have been done a long time ago but real life has a habit of changing plans.

Peabody

[Regio Sommergibile]

real life has a habit of changing plans.

Damn her...

[keltos01]

Damn her...

:har:
sorry ;)

the latest stable version is Jyunsen B mod v 3.4, it has all the submarines but for the Jyunsen C2 and Sen Toku, those will be "campaign treats". I think some of the IJN guns and stuff are already in that version, since we were adding one item at a time, the thing is, now that it's so close (the campaign that is) I didn't wanna release other versions (even though our working current is 3.9) because I feel the mod now deserves a full blown japanese campaign, especially with the last two boats and their 8 forward tubes :D, but as you see here above they're functionnal but not finished yet

I would advice you to add the IBDM v 1.3 (I-Boat Damage Mod) which will drastically improve gameplay.

If you wanna have asneak peak at the coming I-47 C2 class submarine, download the stand alone version, which, although complete and functionnal, has a few issues still, but I am now working on the C2 that is in the Jyunsen B 3.9.2 mod not the stand alone anymore.

but then again, you should visit my main FF page too, you never know what you will find ! ;) (I also made Bristish subs etc..)

keltos


Jyunsen B mod v 3.4 d/l

http://files.filefront.com/V+34+IJN+Sub+mod+JyunsenBrar/;13220636;/fileinfo.html

IBDM v 1.3 d/l

http://files.filefront.com/IBDM+JB+v13+05+28rar/;13818155;/fileinfo.html

Jyunsen C2 stand alone d/l

http://files.filefront.com/IJN+type+C2+v+17+0519rar/;13781049;/fileinfo.html

[keltos01]

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/853/c2hull2.jpg (http://img32.imageshack.us/my.php?image=c2hull2.jpg)

look at the size of the Jyunsen C2 !!!

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/4686/77196059.jpg (http://img40.imageshack.us/my.php?image=77196059.jpg)


http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/7562/newc2.jpg (http://img36.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newc2.jpg)

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3481/85192956.jpg (http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=85192956.jpg)

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/3634/26128448.jpg (http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=26128448.jpg)

fixed the bow part and small stuff on the hull.

keltos

[XTBilly]

I can hardly wait!!!

The most promising mod !!!:yeah::salute:

[keltos01]

I can hardly wait!!!

The most promising mod !!!:yeah::salute:

thanks :)

keltos

[keltos01]

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/8426/sentokui.jpg (http://img199.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sentokui.jpg)


http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/1528/sentoku.jpg (http://img199.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sentoku.jpg)


now fixing all the links since we saw a couple of C2 appearing where they shouldn't..

fixed :

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/6905/78647208.jpg (http://img192.imageshack.us/my.php?image=78647208.jpg)


now she will need the two "upper" and "lower" torpedo rooms that Peabody managed for the C2. and tubes, doors etc... the works ;)

keltos

[talesofvalor]

Is there a release date in sight?

[Regio Sommergibile]

amazing...

[U-46 Commander]

This looks great! Am waiting for the release!

[peabody]

Is there a release date in sight?

No specific date but it is getting closer. Lot of Real life slowing things down. A lot of things we had to learn along the way which took longer than expected.

Peabody

[XTBilly]

Cdr Peabody & Keltos, hi!
A Japanese submarine campaign...
A dream comes to life!!:)
Been waiting for something like this for MANY years...

First time in the submarine simulation world, Japanese submarines... a chance to command one of the finest and most diverse submarines of WWII, in the best WW2 simulation...

For my opinion, this is a historic project, never attempted before.
You guys are making history!!!:yeah:

Cpt Keltos.... MERCY man!!!
Either you give us a Sen Toku for... ehmmm... evaluation:D before the campaign, or have mercy with those screenshots... they're too damn beautiful...:wah::wah:

Take your time mates, don't hurry, a lot of people are depending on you !!

Cheers !!!!:up::salute:

Billy.

[karamazovnew]

The idea of a japanese campagin is the best to come since they came up with the electric torpedo thinghie. :har:
Considering the shooting galery that is the American Campaign and the harder and harder shooting galery that is the German one, this might be the most nerve raking one yet. Sneaking past a whole fleet to deliver supplies to a besieged commander sounds very very "silent" :smug:. And taking out a heavily guarded battleship during a full blown Kamikaze attack... I'm drooling.

[OrangeYoshi]

I know you just said there is no actual release date, but is there a ballpark figure? Maybe like a few weeks, maybe a couple months?

[keltos01]

I know you just said there is no actual release date, but is there a ballpark figure? Maybe like a few weeks, maybe a couple months?

The version 3.9 of the Jyunsen B mod (submarines - german campaign) has been ready for a while now, but, although I have had bouts of "releasitis", I have resisted the urge to release it without the campaign on which Peabody is currently working.

This version should come with the campaign, or the next (4.0) which will include both Jyunsen C2 and Sen Toku as additional units.

I have already tested parts of the campaign and can't wait to play it either, but I want a full blown good campaign, so I wait...

As for the 2 new subs, I need to fix the doors on the Jyunsen C2 and make them for the Sen Toku, I hope to finish the C2 tonight.

Keltos

[Regio Sommergibile]

You're my favourite Keltos :D

[keltos01]

Those boats wouldn't be half as nice to play with without a dedicated campaign :yep:

:up: Peabody !

keltos

[OrangeYoshi]

Those boats wouldn't be half as nice to play with without a dedicated campaign :yep:



Totally understand. It would be an almost unplayable mod if you didn't have any ships to shoot!:88)

I'm glad you guys are keeping back the release until the campaign is better.

[keltos01]

Totally understand. It would be an almost unplayable mod if you didn't have any ships to shoot!:88)

I'm glad you guys are keeping back the release until the campaign is better.

Rubenandthejets once said that japanese had a thing for perfection, in that way Peabody-san is more japanese than I am ;)

keltos

[keltos01]

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/7598/55503747.jpg (http://img196.imageshack.us/my.php?image=55503747.jpg)

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/4584/54589655.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=54589655.jpg)

if red is dead, orange is wounded ?

forced to the surface... bow torpedo room nearly flooded, no propeller shaft, no rudder.. Banzai !

keltos

[OrangeYoshi]

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/7598/55503747.jpg (http://img196.imageshack.us/my.php?image=55503747.jpg)



:timeout: :eek: That is a HUGE submarine! It is hard to believe they had subs that big. I pity the corvette/trawler/anything-smaller-than-a-battleship that tries to sink it.



if red is dead, orange is wounded ?

Yep.

[cgjimeneza]

is there a way to honorably discharge your dead crewmen on the sea,
all my experience points to keeping them until back to port
also. does the medic work automatically or must it be activaded???

[OrangeYoshi]

is there a way to honorably discharge your dead crewmen on the sea,

I haven't tried it in SH4, but in SH3 if you were surfaced, you could right-click on the dead guy to do a burial at sea.


does the medic work automatically or must it be activaded???

He works automatically in whatever room he is in.

[keltos01]

Torpedo tube doors have a new 3d model each, the animation has been fixed as well for all doors. She should then be ready to put out to sea !

:)

keltos

[Webster]

bump

[Stormende]

Guys, I know modding takes a lot of time but I have been following this thread since the beginning and I am dying to play the IJN Campaign!

:yawn:

Don't you have a final date?

Plz?

[keltos01]

as soon as Peabody gets the beta finished, but my bothering him for help with the subs didn't help either...

keltos

[caymanlee]

nice and decent project:yeah::yeah::yeah:

looking forward to the final release

[Highbury]

Guys, I know modding takes a lot of time but I have been following this thread since the beginning and I am dying to play the IJN Campaign!

:yawn:

Don't you have a final date?

Plz?

Modders of sub games have a saying they can use, which modders of other games are denied... "Be patient. If you have no patience, why are you playing sub sims?"

[Stormende]

Modders of sub games have a saying they can use, which modders of other games are denied... "Be patient. If you have no patience, why are you playing sub sims?"

True that, wish my fellow modders will have TC like the game.

:har:

I will wait... snif, snif the previews make it worth.

[keltos01]

well they wanted it for the other side ;)

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/1839/narwahlijn.jpg (http://img44.imageshack.us/i/narwahlijn.jpg/)

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/1779/narwhalijn2.jpg (http://img44.imageshack.us/i/narwhalijn2.jpg/)


looks like the IJN got her hands on a US Narwhal submarine after all... and being the first to sail it they painted her funky colors !

Their Jyunsen 1M class with its twin 5.5 inch guns wasn't far off...

gosh I love making subs ;)

this model was originally modified by SLedgehammer427 then by me.

keltos

[peabody]

Guys, I know modding takes a lot of time but I have been following this thread since the beginning and I am dying to play the IJN Campaign!

:yawn:

Don't you have a final date?

Plz?

No, sorry, it should have been done months ago, but Real Life has to come first and it has not left me much time for modding. It will get finished but I can't give a date.

Peabody

[Stormende]

No, sorry, it should have been done months ago, but Real Life has to come first and it has not left me much time for modding. It will get finished but I can't give a date.

Peabody

It's OK guys, I know RL comes first always and I do appreciate the time you dedicate to this project.

Keep up the good work!

:up:

[keltos01]

thanks, we are going to !

keltos

[keltos01]

I haven't forgotten you Peabody :salute:, just keeping busy till the beta's ready, when the Narwhal's done, I'll do the Sen Toku doors etc..

keltos

[keltos01]

I'm still working on refining the damage model for all I-boats, and it's not because I tweak the Narwhal that I forgot this mod, far from it !

keltos

The Japanese Campaign is coming !

[0167]

screenies make it worth the wait! :D

[Chaoic16]

Agreed and how is this project going? This project is one of several epic add-on mod project I have been looking foward to.

:)


Chaoic out...

[peabody]

Agreed and how is this project going? This project is one of several epic add-on mod project I have been looking foward to.

:)


Chaoic out...

Getting closer.

Peabody

[keltos01]

goood !

as I am finishing work on the Narwhal, I will soon work on the IBDM (I-Boat Damage Mod for those who don't know ;) ) again, and not stray anymore till it's done !

keltos

[FADM Gryphon]

Where do I go to down load this mod. And does this mean I need to Battleflag Japs subs now. LOL

[peabody]

Where do I go to down load this mod. And does this mean I need to Battleflag Japs subs now. LOL

This MOD is not released yet. We had some RL delays.

Peabody

[LiveGoat]

I take it the campaign will include a mission to kidnap Slim Pickins and attack a ferris wheel off the California coast? :DL

Can't wait for this mod.

[keltos01]

I take it the campaign will include a mission to kidnap Slim Pickins and attack a ferris wheel off the California coast? :DL

Can't wait for this mod.

then go here :

http://www.filefront.com/13220636/V_3.4_IJN_Sub_mod_JyunsenB.rar/

you'll have nearly all the subs (more in version 3.9 to be released with the campaign)

also you can add the IBDM (I-Boat Damage mod) :

http://www.filefront.com/13879049/IBDM_JB_v1.3_06_09.rar/

which will make your submarine take damage in a more realistic manner - please report any bugs with that one as it is still WIP.


you'll still play the german campaign for now till Peabody's ready with the japanese campaign (germans and japanese both operated from Penang and fought in the IO).

keltos

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Good to see you guys are still here and the mod is still underway and heading for action. :)

RE the attack on the California coast, actually it was a small oil facility south of Santa Barbara, and they did hit a pier several times :)

[peabody]

Good to see you guys are still here and the mod is still underway and heading for action. :)

RE the attack on the California coast, actually it was a small oil facility south of Santa Barbara, and they did hit a pier several times :)

That's our goal, blowing up all the piers in the US. They can built thousands of ships, but can they repair piers? I think not. :har:

There are a couple of missions to the US West coast.

Peabody

[talesofvalor]

Looks good! :yeah:

[keltos01]

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/8702/gunscopy.jpg (http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gunscopy.jpg)

New IJN Boats, IJN Deck Guns, 3D Type 88 periscope, RL IJN perioscope view, IJN Torpedoes, IJN AA guns, all japanese dials ...

all in the Jyunsen B v 3.9 mod, the mod is ready and has been for a while but writing up the campaign is a lengthly process.

keltos

[peabody]

New IJN Boats, IJN Deck Guns, 3D Type 88 periscope, RL IJN perioscope view, IJN Torpedoes, IJN AA guns, all japanese dials ...

all in the Jyunsen B v 3.9 mod, the mod is ready and has been for a while but writing up the campaign is a lengthly process.

keltos


In all fairness the campaign does not take this much time to write, I have just had several RL issues that must come first. I am getting there but have very limited time to work on it and test it. I am back at it and making headway.

Peabody

[keltos01]

In all fairness the campaign does not take this much time to write, I have just had several RL issues that must come first. I am getting there but have very limited time to work on it and test it. I am back at it and making headway.

Peabody

Yeeepeeee !!!!!

:yeah:

but RL first, always.

keltos

[keltos01]

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa272/trainer1942/CG_58_03.jpg
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=154650

Nautilus42 made a ship with a rocket launcher, maybe we could implement it in the IJN Campaign in 2 types :

Surface to Surface

Surface to Air

They Had the latter in 1944 aboard their capital ships and reported that they worked well.


Originally Posted by Silverwolf http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/smartdark/viewpost.gif (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1148394#post1148394)
The way I had designed the launcher was to be surface to surface. I didn't really think it would work well trying to attack an aircraft with it.


Do you have any clue as how to make such rockets ?

The ones the IJN had would fire straight in the air and explode at a set altitude, Carriers had them, so did theirs largest ships.

if there are air to ship rockets in FOTRS there should be ship to air rockets in the IJN Campaign Mod ;)

keltos

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Ahoy Peabody and Keltos, good to see you still working on this noble venture, sorry i have been absent ....i was in drydock (hospital) for 17 days and now undergoing refit (rehab and recovery) from some "Improvments topside" (operations) so i hope to clear out some other sims that are devouring space in my compy and load up SH IV and start preparing for the launching of your wonderful work. thanks so much for your persererance and dedication, and hope all continues well. :)

Salute, shipmates.

[keltos01]

http://www.aotd-flottille.de/FOTRS/Bilder6/ShipRocket2.jpg

http://www.aotd-flottille.de/FOTRS/Bilder6/ShipRocket3.jpg

image by AOTD_MAd_Max, you can actually see the rockets in the first picture !

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/4895/rocketsp2.jpg



AOTD_Mad_Max just sent us something to be considered icing on the cake :

IJN Naval ship to air rockets :D

see here :
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=154748

they are historically accurate, installed on major ships starting 1944, now we'll see how well they perform won't we ?

keltos

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

amazing :)

[gord96]

awesome work! looks great so far! cant wait to try an IJN sub campaign. BANZAI!

[Bubblehead1980]

Looks like you guys have been working hard, can't wait for the IJN campaign to come out, thanks again for the hard work.

[Sledgehammer427]

man, I can't wait for this to come out so I can do the textures :D