[WIP] Better Scopes 1.4

l3th4l · 08-20-07, 04:50 PM

As has been mentioned i'm about to release the new Version of my Better Scopes Mod, hopefully improving upon a few things.

it's been rebuild from scratch, has a new background, more pronounced darkening of the attack scope, and a new bearing indicator.

both scopes at daylight:

the new heading scale has been changed to replace part of the static lines that were there before. i have also tweaked it to the best of my abilities so that is actually showing each degree accurately so one can better estimate ones spread angle.

now to the downsides and why this thread has been named [WIP] and not [REL]:

this is the obs scope at night. as you can see it could become quite difficult to make out the markings if the lighting conditions become much worse... unfortunately i was not able to find a way to have every line the same color at all times. I could light up the heading scale at night wile leaving the other lines untouched or permanently lighting them up.
However *imho* it looks awful having two differently colored lines in there at once and i prefer having to look a bit harder. I'd like to know how many of you prefer it this way and how many would like the lines to be more visible at the cost of having them colored differently than the heading scale.

GT182 · 08-20-07, 04:58 PM

Is there a way to make the lines red to simulate red nightvision lamps? Or even yellow and have that night and day. Might not be real but it could work for the time being and until you find a better solution.

Great to see the showing of each degree accurately. That was something they should have taken more time to get right. Glad you've done it.

l3th4l · 08-20-07, 05:02 PM

the only color the bearing lines can have besides black is some shade of green. for some reason that seems to be hardcoded or i just can't find the place to change that...

the other lines i can make any color i want including green but as i've said - they would stay that way even in daylight while the bearing lines become black then.

i should also say that i would need to make the bearing lines relatively bright green as i've tried it with a darker shade and it was just as hard to see as it is now.

sneekyzeke · 08-20-07, 05:04 PM

I have used your 1.3 scopes since they were released because I liked the readibility of the bearing tape. I don't use manual targeting so the most important thing to me is finding relative bearing so I can keep up with targets' relative position to me. From your night screenie I don't think I'd be happy with it, but the day version looks sharp! Do whatever you and others prefer; I will certainly give them a try but I'm perfectly happy with 1.3 so no biggie! I respect and appreciate your work. Zeke

GT182 · 08-20-07, 05:09 PM

Bright green sounds good for visability. I could live with that.

PULSEOX · 08-20-07, 05:20 PM

For all of us "Old F*rts"- Bright Green will be SO much better!

Misfit138 · 08-20-07, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by PULSEOX

For all of us "Old F*rts"- Bright Green will be SO much better!

And also for us younger farts who have some sort of night blindness!

Digital_Trucker · 08-20-07, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PULSEOX

For all of us "Old F*rts"- Bright Green will be SO much better!

Yeah, what he said

Kapt.Klaus · 08-20-07, 07:18 PM

I like the scope you created and the easy read. would you mind if I used the MASK portion of your scope... the "viewable area" in my scopes. I will give you credit but some out there you can't see at night thru mine would find it easier to use.

Please let me know...

Thanks

Kapt.Klaus.

castorp345 · 08-20-07, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by l3th4l

this is the obs scope at night. as you can see it could become quite difficult to make out the markings if the lighting conditions become much worse...I'd like to know how many of you prefer it this way [...]

i like it this way very much!!

would it be too much work to release two different versions of the obs? one for those of us who eat our carrots, and one for those who have difficulty with their nightvision?

CaptainCox · 08-21-07, 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by l3th4l

the only color the bearing lines can have besides black is some shade of green. for some reason that seems to be hardcoded or i just can't find the place to change that...

the other lines i can make any color i want including green but as i've said - they would stay that way even in daylight while the bearing lines become black then.

i should also say that i would need to make the bearing lines relatively bright green as i've tried it with a darker shade and it was just as hard to see as it is now.

Hi man! the new stuff looks great. I just had a small request to make the bearing a different color etc
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...129#post626129

I actually think you might be the best to answer this, but as I write in that thread, check out how the new clock needles/hands are done. It might be a lead. Have not checked this myself (off to work here) but it might be worth a try.

l3th4l · 08-21-07, 01:31 AM

cheers! unfortunately changing the "color=" value doesn't do anything for that itemID... Originally i had planned to do it this way but it seems there is some other place where this is defined - possibly hardcoded

i will try and release two versions, although i would have liked to avoid that... i'm also working on both UZO and Binocs atm and will try and take some screens during the day

CaptainCox · 08-21-07, 01:33 AM

Ahhhh. ok

bummer. Looking foward to the new stuff man!

l3th4l · 08-21-07, 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kapt.Klaus

would you mind if I used the MASK portion of your scope... the "viewable area" in my scopes.

sorry, must have missed this a moment ago - of course i won't mind

mod away

however - i'd recommend waiting for the new version as it's been resized to match the default again which would be more in line with yours. once i'm done i can send you the psd of the mask if you want, too.

l3th4l · 08-21-07, 02:07 AM

looks ok with green lines during the night:

but as the bearing strip changes color and i have no way to stop this it looks weird during the day imo:

View Poll Results: Should I leave it like this or make the bearing strip a different color?
Leave it - after all it should be harder at night.	8	38.10%
Change it - I can't see anything	13	61.90%
Voters: 21. You may not vote on this poll

08-20-07, 04:50 PM	#1
l3th4l Planesman Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 180 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	[WIP] Better Scopes 1.4 As has been mentioned i'm about to release the new Version of my Better Scopes Mod, hopefully improving upon a few things. it's been rebuild from scratch, has a new background, more pronounced darkening of the attack scope, and a new bearing indicator. both scopes at daylight: the new heading scale has been changed to replace part of the static lines that were there before. i have also tweaked it to the best of my abilities so that is actually showing each degree accurately so one can better estimate ones spread angle. now to the downsides and why this thread has been named [WIP] and not [REL]: this is the obs scope at night. as you can see it could become quite difficult to make out the markings if the lighting conditions become much worse... unfortunately i was not able to find a way to have every line the same color at all times. I could light up the heading scale at night wile leaving the other lines untouched or permanently lighting them up. However imho it looks awful having two differently colored lines in there at once and i prefer having to look a bit harder. I'd like to know how many of you prefer it this way and how many would like the lines to be more visible at the cost of having them colored differently than the heading scale.

08-20-07, 04:58 PM	#2
GT182 Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Castle of Delaware Posts: 3,231 Downloads: 658 Uploads: 0	Is there a way to make the lines red to simulate red nightvision lamps? Or even yellow and have that night and day. Might not be real but it could work for the time being and until you find a better solution. Great to see the showing of each degree accurately. That was something they should have taken more time to get right. Glad you've done it. __________________ Gary No Borders, No Language, No Culture =s No Country I'm a Deplorable, and proud of it.

08-20-07, 05:09 PM	#5
GT182 Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Castle of Delaware Posts: 3,231 Downloads: 658 Uploads: 0	Bright green sounds good for visability. I could live with that. __________________ Gary No Borders, No Language, No Culture =s No Country I'm a Deplorable, and proud of it.

08-20-07, 05:20 PM	#6
PULSEOX Helmsman Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Tombstone AZ Posts: 102 Downloads: 417 Uploads: 0	For all of us "Old Frts"- Bright Green will be SO much better! __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]"We build them well in Germany....eh Heinie?"*

08-20-07, 05:02 PM	#3
l3th4l Planesman Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 180 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	the only color the bearing lines can have besides black is some shade of green. for some reason that seems to be hardcoded or i just can't find the place to change that... the other lines i can make any color i want including green but as i've said - they would stay that way even in daylight while the bearing lines become black then. i should also say that i would need to make the bearing lines relatively bright green as i've tried it with a darker shade and it was just as hard to see as it is now.

08-20-07, 05:04 PM	#4
sneekyzeke Electrician's Mate Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Sweet State, Georgia Posts: 134 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	I have used your 1.3 scopes since they were released because I liked the readibility of the bearing tape. I don't use manual targeting so the most important thing to me is finding relative bearing so I can keep up with targets' relative position to me. From your night screenie I don't think I'd be happy with it, but the day version looks sharp! Do whatever you and others prefer; I will certainly give them a try but I'm perfectly happy with 1.3 so no biggie! I respect and appreciate your work. Zeke

08-20-07, 07:18 PM	#9
Kapt.Klaus Loader Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 83 Downloads: 57 Uploads: 0	I like the scope you created and the easy read. would you mind if I used the MASK portion of your scope... the "viewable area" in my scopes. I will give you credit but some out there you can't see at night thru mine would find it easier to use. Please let me know... Thanks Kapt.Klaus.

08-21-07, 01:31 AM	#12
l3th4l Planesman Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 180 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	cheers! unfortunately changing the "color=" value doesn't do anything for that itemID... Originally i had planned to do it this way but it seems there is some other place where this is defined - possibly hardcoded i will try and release two versions, although i would have liked to avoid that... i'm also working on both UZO and Binocs atm and will try and take some screens during the day

08-21-07, 01:33 AM	#13
CaptainCox Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: A Swede in Frankfurt am Main Posts: 1,897 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Ahhhh. ok bummer. Looking foward to the new stuff man! __________________ DOWNLOAD MY MODS HERE

08-21-07, 02:07 AM	#15
l3th4l Planesman Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 180 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	looks ok with green lines during the night: but as the bearing strip changes color and i have no way to stop this it looks weird during the day imo: