[WIP] Playable PT-109 Elco MTB

sqk7744 · 06-18-08, 01:06 PM

* DISCLAIMER: For all you fine print readers out there, we thank you for reading this, and admire you're dilligence. Photos are Artist conception's of PT 109 MTB project. Actual unit may not even float or might differ completely. Speeds enhanced to show awesomeness. Professional driver, on a closed harbor, do not attempt. Base Model not available in Grey. Neon Pink or Turquoise schemes only, OnStar and XM/Sirus radio package shown, -not included.

July 14th, 2008

Beta released:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...9&postcount=89

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June 18, 2008

Greetings All,

Digital_Trucker and I are working on this unit, and thought it would be fun to try 44 knt attack runs using the TBT. Since this is our first swat at making a playable ship, and we know enough to be dangerous

we would appreciate any advice and or assistance (rescue) on the subject.

So Far we have a cloned Porpoise-class called NSS_PT_109 working in the mission builder. Our plan of attack was to then clone/change the /sea/american/3D model of the US Elco 80, but we'll see how that goes.

We still need to figure out:
1. Adding the PT 3D model
2. Crew/camera locations ( or do we need to draw a Bridge/Deck in 3D? )
3. Firing torps and accutrate placement ( if the PT 3D model messes-up the existing Porpoise armaments.
4. Using 1 deck gun as a 40mm and adding 2 AA's as the twin 50's.
5. While we are at the seemingly impossible, let's invent a Segway scooter powered by Fusion too :rotfl:

Many thanks for your suggestions.

Cheers,
-sqk

ReallyDedPoet · 06-18-08, 02:07 PM

Sounds good sqk, look forward to it. You may want to check out the one done in SH3 by Mikhayl, there might be some nice ideas there.

RDP

Xantrokoles · 06-18-08, 02:22 PM

I do not recommend to clone a whole submarine file.
You should start with the stock NPT_BR.dat and co..

Important for not having a CTD is:
-having diveplanes(i.e. invisible ones)
-using a submarine controller in the *.sim file.
-randomizing the IDs of the Dat and then relinking with the files in the sim, zon, and bla bla files.

this is for having it working.
You should know Mikhayl's tutorial, cause I cant explain with my worse english.

Good Luck with the project!

AVGWarhawk · 06-18-08, 02:26 PM

Very nice. Of all the ships being made playable...this is the one I want to play with.

sqk7744 · 06-18-08, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reallydedpoet

Sounds good sqk, look forward to it. You may want to check out the one done in SH3 by Mikhayl, there might be some nice ideas there.

RDP

Thanks RDP, good idea!

sqk7744 · 06-18-08, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xantrokoles

I do not recommend to clone a whole submarine file.
You should start with the stock NPT_BR.dat and co..

Important for not having a CTD is:
-having diveplanes(i.e. invisible ones)
-using a submarine controller in the *.sim file.
-randomizing the IDs of the Dat and then relinking with the files in the sim, zon, and bla bla files.

this is for having it working.
You should know Mikhayl's tutorial, cause I cant explain with my worse english.

Good Luck with the project!

Many thanks Xantrokoles

That will be a great start - we are clueless and fearless

Charlielima · 06-18-08, 03:48 PM

Don't forget the PTGBs. http://www.ptboatworld.com/photos2.htm I know this is a higgins boat But some elco boats where fitted out with 2x 40 MM bofars and 50 cals as much as there was room for also. One PTGB per 2 or 3 PTs could give the squadron some punch. I'm wandering why They didn't bolt on a Quad 50 mount amidships. Since PT boats and Schnell Bootes operated as squadrons or gruppes, a mod for hunting with a task force, or squadron would be desirable. Since we have playable destroyers this should work for all sorts of folks. I think they had grey float coats in WW2. Good luck with this project. V/R CL

Fish40 · 06-18-08, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Very nice. Of all the ships being made playable...this is the one I want to play with.

I feel exactly the same way!

Looking good guys! Good luck with the project

Sailor Steve · 06-18-08, 07:16 PM

A note about "44-knot attack runs": in the Pacific at least, parts were hard to come by, and most boats were lucky to make 40 knots on the best of days. Also, they were very susceptible to weather and wave, and from what I remember of reading They Were Expendable and PT-109 the norm was closer to 30 knots most of the time. Hence the song:

Some Pee-Tees do seventy-five, and some do sixty-nine;
If we get ours to run at all we think we're doing fine!

Ramboxxx88 · 06-20-08, 02:59 AM

You have made good work, That Ship looks Cool.

THANK YOU FOR MADE THIS, THIS PT-BOAT IS MY FAVORITE SHIP, & I HAVE WAITING FOR THAT SOMEONE IS GONNA MADE IT, & YOU MADE IT THANK YOU VERY MUTCH.

sqk7744 · 06-20-08, 12:20 PM

Thanks to all for their kind suggestions, here's an update.

As this is our first attempt at making a ship playable, and we are learning as we go, (inverted learning curve) so far we have been able to clone the US PT Boat as a unit, located in the /submarines folder. The PT boat can be added to a Single player mission and is visiable ( as AI for now ) When set to 'human Playable' via the Mission editor, we still get a CTD loading/playing the mission.

Is the next step to edit each individual node with-in the followingfiles as Xantrokoles so kindly mentioned?
We are also trying to make sense of what each of the file extensions 'job's' are as well.

.cam (camera file?)
.dat
.dsd (for sounds, yes?)
.eqp
.sim
.sns
.val
.zon (zones ala what you edit in the Tweak files?)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xantrokoles

Important for not having a CTD is:
-having diveplanes(i.e. invisible ones)
-using a submarine controller in the *.sim file.
-randomizing the IDs of the Dat and then relinking with the files in the sim, zon, and bla bla files.

Ramboxxx88 · 06-20-08, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sqk7744

Thanks to all for their kind suggestions, here's an update.

As this is our first attempt at making a ship playable, and we are learning as we go, (inverted learning curve) so far we have been able to clone the US PT Boat as a unit, located in the /submarines folder. The PT boat can be added to a Single player mission and is visiable ( as AI for now ) When set to 'human Playable' via the Mission editor, we still get a CTD loading/playing the mission.

Is the next step to edit each individual node with-in the followingfiles as Xantrokoles so kindly mentioned?
We are also trying to make sense of what each of the file extensions 'job's' are as well.

.cam (camera file?)
.dat
.dsd (for sounds, yes?)
.eqp
.sim
.sns
.val
.zon (zones ala what you edit in the Tweak files?)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xantrokoles

Important for not having a CTD is:
-having diveplanes(i.e. invisible ones)
-using a submarine controller in the *.sim file.
-randomizing the IDs of the Dat and then relinking with the files in the sim, zon, and bla bla files.

Can we play PT Boat in the Career

sqk7744 · 06-20-08, 12:51 PM

Hi Ramboxxx88,

Thanks for your interest and words of encouragement, but the PT Boat is still very much a Work in Progress, aka WIP and will not be ready for sometime, with lots of work to be done.

Best,
-sqk

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramboxxx88

Can we play PT Boat in the Career

sqk7744 · 06-20-08, 04:14 PM

Mikhayl that is wonderful help!

Thank you Cap'n

We've got the cloning a unit down, it's just changing it into another type of unit without CTDs - that the problem.
We think it's just a matter of getting the submarine controller and the dive planes into the .dat correctly???

We got the Subcontroller added ok, but the Invisible Dive planes may not have been added right.

Digital_Trucker · 06-21-08, 02:53 PM

Just a little update. Thanks to Mikhayl and Xantrokoles examples to go by, we've now got a player controllable PT Boat

Only problem at this point (very early in development) is a texturing problem and the fact that the boat won't go anywhere (sure that's a crew problem, gotta look at that now), but we're on the way, anyway.

Edit : Texture problem isn't a problem any more and it really does help to have crew on board

. Hopefully, next update will be screenies of the PT flying through the water.

06-18-08, 01:06 PM	#1
sqk7744 Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ~About 60' below Posts: 1,150 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	[WIP] Playable PT-109 Elco MTB * DISCLAIMER: For all you fine print readers out there, we thank you for reading this, and admire you're dilligence. Photos are Artist conception's of PT 109 MTB project. Actual unit may not even float or might differ completely. Speeds enhanced to show awesomeness. Professional driver, on a closed harbor, do not attempt. Base Model not available in Grey. Neon Pink or Turquoise schemes only, OnStar and XM/Sirus radio package shown, -not included. July 14th, 2008 Beta released: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...9&postcount=89 -- June 18, 2008 Greetings All, Digital_Trucker and I are working on this unit, and thought it would be fun to try 44 knt attack runs using the TBT. Since this is our first swat at making a playable ship, and we know enough to be dangerous we would appreciate any advice and or assistance (rescue) on the subject. So Far we have a cloned Porpoise-class called NSS_PT_109 working in the mission builder. Our plan of attack was to then clone/change the /sea/american/3D model of the US Elco 80, but we'll see how that goes. We still need to figure out: 1. Adding the PT 3D model 2. Crew/camera locations ( or do we need to draw a Bridge/Deck in 3D? ) 3. Firing torps and accutrate placement ( if the PT 3D model messes-up the existing Porpoise armaments. 4. Using 1 deck gun as a 40mm and adding 2 AA's as the twin 50's. 5. While we are at the seemingly impossible, let's invent a Segway scooter powered by Fusion too :rotfl: Many thanks for your suggestions. Cheers, -sqk __________________ " All Ships can dive, but only Submarine's surface!" MODS: KillFlags - Elco PT109 - AOB Attack Course Tutorial Last edited by sqk7744; 07-29-08 at 07:25 AM.

06-18-08, 02:07 PM	#2
ReallyDedPoet Canadian Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada. The one and only, East Coast Posts: 10,884 Downloads: 946 Uploads: 5	Sounds good sqk, look forward to it. You may want to check out the one done in SH3 by Mikhayl, there might be some nice ideas there. RDP __________________ Back in the Day Last edited by ReallyDedPoet; 06-18-08 at 02:26 PM.

06-18-08, 02:22 PM	#3
Xantrokoles Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 659 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	I do not recommend to clone a whole submarine file. You should start with the stock NPT_BR.dat and co.. Important for not having a CTD is: -having diveplanes(i.e. invisible ones) -using a submarine controller in the *.sim file. -randomizing the IDs of the Dat and then relinking with the files in the sim, zon, and bla bla files. this is for having it working. You should know Mikhayl's tutorial, cause I cant explain with my worse english. Good Luck with the project! __________________

06-18-08, 02:26 PM	#4
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Very nice. Of all the ships being made playable...this is the one I want to play with. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

06-18-08, 03:48 PM	#7
Charlielima Gunner Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Schnell Boote Land Posts: 97 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Don't forget the PTGBs. http://www.ptboatworld.com/photos2.htm I know this is a higgins boat But some elco boats where fitted out with 2x 40 MM bofars and 50 cals as much as there was room for also. One PTGB per 2 or 3 PTs could give the squadron some punch. I'm wandering why They didn't bolt on a Quad 50 mount amidships. Since PT boats and Schnell Bootes operated as squadrons or gruppes, a mod for hunting with a task force, or squadron would be desirable. Since we have playable destroyers this should work for all sorts of folks. I think they had grey float coats in WW2. Good luck with this project. V/R CL __________________

06-18-08, 07:16 PM	#9
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	A note about "44-knot attack runs": in the Pacific at least, parts were hard to come by, and most boats were lucky to make 40 knots on the best of days. Also, they were very susceptible to weather and wave, and from what I remember of reading They Were Expendable and PT-109 the norm was closer to 30 knots most of the time. Hence the song: Some Pee-Tees do seventy-five, and some do sixty-nine; If we get ours to run at all we think we're doing fine! __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

06-20-08, 02:59 AM	#10
Ramboxxx88 Seaman Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 32 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	You have made good work, That Ship looks Cool. THANK YOU FOR MADE THIS, THIS PT-BOAT IS MY FAVORITE SHIP, & I HAVE WAITING FOR THAT SOMEONE IS GONNA MADE IT, & YOU MADE IT THANK YOU VERY MUTCH.

06-20-08, 04:14 PM	#14
sqk7744 Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ~About 60' below Posts: 1,150 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Mikhayl that is wonderful help! Thank you Cap'n We've got the cloning a unit down, it's just changing it into another type of unit without CTDs - that the problem. We think it's just a matter of getting the submarine controller and the dive planes into the .dat correctly??? We got the Subcontroller added ok, but the Invisible Dive planes may not have been added right. __________________ " All Ships can dive, but only Submarine's surface!" MODS: KillFlags - Elco PT109 - AOB Attack Course Tutorial Last edited by sqk7744; 06-20-08 at 07:49 PM.

06-21-08, 02:53 PM	#15
Digital_Trucker Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Peach State Posts: 4,171 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 10	Just a little update. Thanks to Mikhayl and Xantrokoles examples to go by, we've now got a player controllable PT Boat Only problem at this point (very early in development) is a texturing problem and the fact that the boat won't go anywhere (sure that's a crew problem, gotta look at that now), but we're on the way, anyway. Edit : Texture problem isn't a problem any more and it really does help to have crew on board. Hopefully, next update will be screenies of the PT flying through the water. __________________ RSM-GIEP-Killflags-LV Tribute-Playable Elco __Peace be with you, Dave. Last edited by Digital_Trucker; 06-21-08 at 03:08 PM.