Support the Community - DONT BUY SHV

[jwilliams]

Originally Posted by pythos

DRM will die. SH5 will Rock.

That is my decree.

OSP will only die if it fails....

If pirates fail to crack OSP then its here to stay. unless this new DRM impacts sales.

Sure they may release a patch that allows you to play offline but thats only after SH5 is no longer selling (and simulation games seem to last awhile, due to lack of competion). they arnt going to release the patch if SH5 is selling well because then that just go's against the idea of OSP.

[jazman]

I didn't find the original post to be bizarre or out of line or like some Draconian edict demanding Scorched Earth and Death to Traitors. It could lead to some good discussion of what it means to support this community. We might realize that what holds this community together is thinner even than water. Some of the reaction, though, is downright hysterical. I especially like the references to "Nazis" and "Jihad" and "bullying." Good reactionary entertainment.

Originally Posted by tomfon

Just a few months ago a guy (i don't remember his nickname and frankly speaking i'm too tired to search for it now) complained about the unfinished state of stock SH3 and 4 and argued that it is a waste of time to bother with these games. In fact, he said that these games are not even worth modding them. He also added that he would stop playing them. Back then, a lot of people disagreed with him saying that, ''hey, you don't like it? Then don't play it.''

Given that the DRM issue has been discussed extensively and a lot and various opinions have been heard, i think it's time to approach a similar attitude. I'm not suggesting to jump on everyone who says sthg like ''DRM is bad (because of this or that), don't buy it!''. I'm just saying that these kinds of threads (nothing personal with the OP) and posts are ''déjà vu'' and the whole matter has become tiring. Please, don't give me the usual argument that everyone is entitled to his/her opinion 'cause despite the fact that this holds true, we usually tend to confuse things and therefore blabber instead. Just a thought.

Finally, after dozens of replies to this thread, a one that can be considered as a good conclusion ...

[tonschk]

Originally Posted by oscar19681

if you prevent or hold back purchases of sh-5 you could actually hurt the subsim community and submarinse simulations as a whole more then you actually realize.

The next week I will go to buy the Silent Hunter 5 Game to support the Subsim Community

[Turbografx]

Originally Posted by Méo

1. I don't get what you mean, but 50$ these days for a new game is not that bad.

2. Maybe it's because your desires/expectations are too high for a simulation that can sell around 250 000 copies worldwide as opposed to other game that can sell around 9 000 000...

3. I would like to hear what Neal has to say about it.. when the lead designer posted around 800 posts here (he must be reading too, and at least 2 other members of the dev team are members here), when he assisted to the last 2 subsim meeting, when he gave privileged info to this community. Of course they cannot ONLY please us...

1. I was not saying the game was too expensive, I meant that since we are paying for the thing, it is not like they are doing us a favor. We don't have to feel obligated to the franchise like we've been give some kind of generous gift. We don't owe them anything, it is a balanced transaction.
On a side note, I do actually think $60 is too much when I consider the value compared to games I want from AGEOD, Paradox or DCS.

2. Other games manage to meet my expectations, none of which are major blockbusters. I have enjoyed every single title from AGEOD and titles from Paradox, SES, HPS, MMG, OBD, Laminar, MicroProse, SSI etc etc etc have all met my uber desires/expectations. Some of those companies (HPS, SES) probably only sell a few thousand copies.
In fact, I would wager that all of those had a smaller budget than SHV. It is not that UBI didn't have enough money or wouldn't get enough sales, it is that they are heading in a different direction and are just not as dedicated as a specialized software company, one that produces only a certain genre.

3. The devs care, at least a little, this is clear from their previous work. The suits who OWN the franchise don't though. Like any good business people they are interested in making as much money for as long as possible. If that means following popular market trends at the expense of development time, original principles and the core community, so be it.

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by jazman

Some of the reaction, though, is downright hysterical. I especially like the references to "Nazis" and "Jihad" and "bullying." Good reactionary entertainment.

I think you are misunderstanding. The comparison was made that those who were buying this game were the same as Nazi supporters. That is not something that was made up in this thread by those objecting to the OP... it was an actual comparison made to stop people buying the game. People are objecting to that and quite rightly I think.

[jazman]

Originally Posted by Nisgeis

I think you are misunderstanding. The comparison was made that those who were buying this game were the same as Nazi supporters. That is not something that was made up in this thread by those objecting to the OP... it was an actual comparison made to stop people buying the game. People are objecting to that and quite rightly I think.

No, you were the one, in post #35, to mention "Nazi" first. The OP never said anything about Nazi, in fact, no one did until you did:

Originally Posted by Nisgeis

When people who are buying a game are compared to people who collaborated with the Nazis, you know something's gone wrong.

Go read the OP again. There isn't even the word "collaborate" in there. In fact, YOU said it first.

[Heretic]

Jazman, a lot of stuff folks are fed up with are not specifically related to the text of the original poster. They're spread out in many other threads.

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by jazman

No, you were the one, in post #35, to mention "Nazi" first. The OP never said anything about Nazi, in fact, no one did until you did:

Go read the OP again. There isn't even the word "collaborate" in there. In fact, YOU said it first.

I didn't say the OP mentioned it. I didn't say it first. It does help though if you are familiar with this particular issue, it does tend to invade lots of different threads and the arguments are never seperate and distinct. The inference was made in this thread:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=162331

I would point out the post, but it would of benefit to you to read the whole thread, to see how quickly an innocent thread went south. This thread is, I believe, a direct result of that thread.

So, here we go, the comparison to Nazi collaborators was made as an attempt to disuade people from buying the game. The people who are complaining about it are not making it up. Thanks.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Nisgeis

I didn't say the OP mentioned it. I didn't say it first. It does help though if you are familiar with this particular issue, it does tend to invade lots of different threads and the arguments are never seperate and distinct. The inference was made in this thread:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=162331

I would point out the post, but it would of benefit to you to read the whole thread, to see how quickly an innocent thread went south. This thread is, I believe, a direct result of that thread.

So, here we go, the comparison to Nazi collaborators was made as an attempt to disuade people from buying the game. The people who are complaining about it are not making it up. Thanks.

lol, well they can call me Nazi collaberating ubisoft fanboy poo poo face for all I care.
Im buying the game and if anyone here has a problem with that they can well.... piss off and mind there own business (to put it bluntly)

[Méo]

Originally Posted by Turbografx

I do actually think $60 is too much when I consider the value compared to games I want from AGEOD, Paradox or DCS.

Well this is your point of view.

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I'll show you mine:

Let's say I play an average of 10 hours each week for the next 3 years with 2 weeks of vacation per year.


10 hours/week x 50 weeks/year x 3 years = 1500 hours

60$/1500 hours = 0.04$/hour.

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So approximately 0.04$ per hour, no big drama for me.

[SteamWake]

I'm not so inclined as to tell anyone wether or not to buy the product.

It is their decision.

I've made mine you make yours. Lets see where the chips fall.

[Apos]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

I love the "I will not buy it until it's patched/modded" crowd. Sure, let the modders buy it, fix/alter it, put their money and time into it, and then buy it at a discount and complain about the mods not being perfect. Too bad modders can't charge for their efforts. We'd really know how expensive it is then.

I wrote in other topic that i'd rather pay modders for their version of SH than to Ubi.

[sabretwo]

I just read this threat and my head is aching!

I personally agree with Uber's sentiments as one of the many without practical access to the Internet when I play games (basically one of the many that UBI decided to flip the bird at when designing their DRM). But this kind of post is bomb-throwing. Not cool in my book.

I think the decrease in sales will be self-evident without calling for a boycott or tossing names around.

[Philipp_Thomsen]

If you own the software, then you can use all the means you want to play the game. From the moment you buy it, it's YOURS, ergo its not illegal to use my approach.

They won't change their policies just cos we dont want to connect to the internet, they know we are easier to fold.

If a tree falls in your path while you're driving, will you start a war to remove the tree from the road, or will you drive around it and keep going?

I will drive around it.

It's not my problem to solve.

Specially if the tree was put in my way on purpose.