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Old 02-24-10, 11:58 AM   #1
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When people who are buying a game are compared to people who collaborated with the Nazis, you know something's gone wrong.
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Old 02-24-10, 12:12 PM   #2
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1. Like it or not, this game is made for the wider audience. It's not for us.
2. Therefore, it doesn't matter much to UBI at this point whether we buy it.
3. Either way, the best -the only- way to prevent increasingly strict and invasive anti-piracy measures (not to mention more and more games for the consoles and less to none for the PC) is to stop pirating games. I honestly don't understand what part of that is so hard for people to get.

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Its so simple.

1) Buy the game
2) Download the crack
3) Play with no connection

Follow the steps and be happy.
Wow. If that's not skating close to the line, I don't know what is.
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Old 02-24-10, 12:14 PM   #3
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Its so simple.
1) Buy the game
2) Download the crack
3) Play with no connection
Follow the steps and be happy.
A small problem with that approach:
Ubi still gets your money, which is ultimately all they care about. The only way to affect their decisions is via their wallet. Meanwhile pirates and some legitimate customers will happily download the crack and live DRM-free. Kind of beats the purpose of DRM in the first place...
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Old 02-24-10, 12:20 PM   #4
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Ubi still gets your money, which is ultimately all they care about. The only way to affect their decisions is via their wallet.
Yeah, but the trouble with that is that sales of SH5 will be like a handful of sand, compared to a huge dumper truck full of sand for AC2. There's also nothing to compare the sales against for SH5, but there is for AC2 - consoles. All the suits will see for SH5 is SH2 sold reall well, SH3 sold well, SH4 didn't sell well, SH5 didn't sell well either... interest in the genre is dead. They won't see DRM or bugs as a factor. I'm not buying AC2, as that's where the damage to Ubi's wallet will be the most extreme and there's no way I'm losing my progress if the net dies. In fact, I may even not buy two or there copies, just to teach them a lesson.

Most people who are going to buy the game won't have been ever been to these forums.
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Old 02-24-10, 05:12 PM   #5
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If you own the software, then you can use all the means you want to play the game. From the moment you buy it, it's YOURS, ergo its not illegal to use my approach.

They won't change their policies just cos we dont want to connect to the internet, they know we are easier to fold.

If a tree falls in your path while you're driving, will you start a war to remove the tree from the road, or will you drive around it and keep going?

I will drive around it.

It's not my problem to solve.

Specially if the tree was put in my way on purpose.
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Old 02-24-10, 05:18 PM   #6
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If you own the software, then you can use all the means you want to play the game. From the moment you buy it, it's YOURS, ergo its not illegal to use my approach.
Nope, unfortunatley that is not the case - you own a license to use it as prescribed by the publisher and nothing more. What do think the license agreement is all about?
Hell the only way you can 'own' your software is to write it yourself.

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Old 02-24-10, 06:22 PM   #7
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I said i wouldnt buy SH5 at the start of the debarcle but if SH5 doesnt drop out the game when disconnected then i dont have a problem .
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Old 02-24-10, 05:41 PM   #8
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If you own the software, then you can use all the means you want to play the game. From the moment you buy it, it's YOURS, ergo its not illegal to use my approach.

They won't change their policies just cos we dont want to connect to the internet, they know we are easier to fold.

If a tree falls in your path while you're driving, will you start a war to remove the tree from the road, or will you drive around it and keep going?

I will drive around it.

It's not my problem to solve.

Specially if the tree was put in my way on purpose.
I think you will find that it is illegal to remove DRM (without the owners permition).

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Digital rights management systems have received some international legal backing by implementation of the 1996 WIPO Copyright Treaty (WCT). Article 11 of the Treaty requires nations party to the treaties to enact laws against DRM circumvention.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management

And as for owning the software that you bought.... think again.
what you buy is a licence to use the software.

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THIS SOFTWARE IS LICENSED, NOT SOLD. BY INSTALLING, COPYING OR OTHERWISE USING THE GAME (DEFINED BELOW), YOU AGREE TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT, YOU ARE NOT PERMITTED TO INSTALL, COPY OR USE THE GAME.
You could always try this :-

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most people never read the EULA. they just click Accept.
Who knows what your rights your giving up?
Anne Loucks made a little cardboard placque with a downward extension, put it over her keyboard, and by charmign her cat into walking over it, the placque pressed down on the space bar, agreeing to Adobe Reader's EULA. Her cat might not be a legal entity, but the fact of the matter is that she herself did not agree to the EULA, so technically, she shouldn't be covered by it. Right?
http://www.osnews.com/story/21010/Ca...ee_to_an_EULA_

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