Who Started World War II?

Originally Posted by Joefour

You aren't allowing him to make any points. I for one, want to hear what he has to say!

Don't even start this kind of BS with me, will ya?
I can't stop him from saying ANYTHING, therefore your whole accusation is moot.

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

That's exactly YOUR attitude. For you : I'm wrong, even before I started to explain why the truth is deformed by the official story. You can't even consider that your belief is false and your judgment is biased.

My attitude is : I think I'm right, let me explain why, and perhaps you have better arguments to give me.

You'll convince no one by just saying that I'm wrong. You'll have to prove that my arguments are not valid.

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I do not have to prove your absurd claims to be wrong - you are the one who has to deliver here, not me.
What you say goes against everything in our history books and don't even start with "history is written by the victor", which is nothing but a cheap excuse to, again, dismiss someone's argument with a catchphrase that is nothing but that - a phrase.

Usually, I don't care about nutcases like you, but when you start to make claims that disrespect those who had to endure it, the fun ends - especially when you try to play the "muh respect, duh!" card!

[Joefour]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

Don't even start this kind of BS with me, will ya?
I can't stop him from saying ANYTHING, therefore your whole accusation is moot.


I do not have to prove your absurd claims to be wrong - you are the one who has to deliver here, not me.
What you say goes against everything in our history books and don't even start with "history is written by the victor", which is nothing but a cheap excuse to, again, dismiss someone's argument with a catchphrase that is nothing but that - a phrase.

Usually, I don't care about nutcases like you, but when you start to make claims that disrespect those who had to endure it, the fun ends - especially when you try to play the "muh respect, duh!" card!

Now that WAS an AD HOMINUM attack. This type of argument would never hold up in a court of law.

Veritas delenda est.
Requiescat in pace.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Joefour

You aren't allowing him to make any points. I for one, want to hear what he has to say!

On the contrary, I'm of the opinion he has had many an opportunity.

Sailor Steve
#21

but since Jim is already involved I decided I needed to stay out and play referee

Jimbuna
#31

categoric assurances from Steve and now me publicly, there will be nobody getting banned provided forum rules are adhered to

The above means I post on this without moderation capability/capacity.

MLF
#162

I would like to suggest that this thread is locked/closed until Fahnenbohn has his documentation translated and available and a new thread opened as a formal debate

I beg to differ, categoric assurances have been given to Fahnenbohn and any further thread on the matter would be surplus to requirements and most certainly one more too many considering the course this subject has taken and would come back into my remit.

I'm appealing to you all as a forum member to remain calm and act sensibly because this thread is beginning to look like a no-win (no pun intended) situation for anyone and least of all Steve and potentially eventually Neal.

[Fahnenbohn]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

I do not have to prove your absurd claims to be wrong - you are the one who has to deliver here, not me.

Good, so don't say that what I say is absurd before I've started to speak.

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

What you say goes against everything in our history books and don't even start with "history is written by the victor".

For having a better idea on the official story, please see here :

[Raptor1]

If this material is so massive that it requires a multi-person translation effort, then I suggest you condense the information you think is important to a post (or a few) detailing your main claims and arguments supporting them. Anything else that you'd like can be brought in as needed. It'll be easier to stay on topic when there's something to debate about it, and it's also easier to discuss points made on the forum rather than trying to infer them from a reference document. This is a discussion forum, after all.

[Sailor Steve]

@ Fahnenbohn: Okay, stop right there. I've said several times that this thread was to be about your original claim, which was that the British started the Second World War. Now we have a link to a discussion on Britain's most famous Holocaust denier? You need to show me what that has to do with the subject. I'm waiting for a response from Neal concerning other subjects. Until you get my go-ahead or refusal, the topic is who started the war.

Stick to it.

@ Everybody: I too am getting tired of the attacks. Either say something about the subject or don't say anything.

[Joefour]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

@ Fahnenbohn: Okay, stop right there. I've said several times that this thread was to be about your original claim, which was that the British started the Second World War. Now we have a link to a discussion on Britain's most famous Holocaust denier? You need to show me what that has to do with the subject. I'm waiting for a response from Neal concerning other subjects. Until you get my go-ahead or refusal, the topic is who started the war.

Stick to it.

@ Everybody: I too am getting tired of the attacks. Either say something about the subject or don't say anything.

Thank you, Steve.
I was beginning to worry that Fahnenbohn and this entire thread was going to be shouted down.

Ah, right!

[Fahnenbohn]

Originally Posted by Raptor1

It'll be easier to stay on topic when there's something to debate about it, and it's also easier to discuss points made on the forum rather than trying to infer them from a reference document.

Thank you, this is my wish too. But as you see, I'm permanently attacked by people who are behaving like children.

So now, please wait for having my explanation rather than saying unnecessary things.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

For having a better idea on the official story, please see here :

David Irving is a Hitler supporter and said many times the Holocaust was the work of others and Hitler played no part. This is a very sensitive area, David Irving went as far as questioning the gas chambers at Auschwitz. Yes I have read a couple of his books and I wonder if David Irving has read Commandant of Auschwitz by Rudolf Hoess.

[Betonov]

Speaking of the holocaust. Jews weren't the only victims.
Homosexuals, gypsies, slavs... They just gave jews priority, the war was over before they would have started to ''clean'' Yugoslavia.
As far as I'm concerned my grandparents we're on their kill list and an atempted murder of my grandparents is an atempted murder of me. That's why I may be a little personaly involved in this.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Speaking of the holocaust.

But we are specifically not doing that. We're speaking of who started the war.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

But we are specifically not doing that. We're speaking of who started the war.

The Nazis.

Nazis invaded Poland September 1st and set in motion the alliance system that brought Britain and France into the conflict.
Yes, Britain did declare war on Germany and not vice versa, but after Germany invaded an ally and refused to back out after repeated attempt by London to defuse the situation.

[MLF]

September 18, 1931
Japan invades Manchuria.

October 2, 1935–May 1936
Fascist Italy invades, conquers, and annexes Ethiopia.

October 25–November 1, 1936
Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy sign a treaty of co-operation on October 25; on November 1, the Rome-Berlin Axis is announced.

November 25, 1936
Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan sign the Anti-Comintern Pact, directed against the Soviet Union and the international Communist movement.

July 7, 1937
Japan invades China, initiating World War II in the Pacific.

March 11–13, 1938
Germany incorporates Austria in the Anschluss.

September 29, 1938
Germany, Italy, Great Britain, and France sign the Munich agreement which forces the Czechoslovak Republic to cede the Sudetenland, including the key Czechoslovak military defense positions, to Nazi Germany.

March 14–15, 1939
Under German pressure, the Slovaks declare their independence and form a Slovak Republic. The Germans occupy the rump Czech lands in violation of the Munich agreement, forming a Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia.

March 31, 1939
France and Great Britain guarantee the integrity of the borders of the Polish state.

April 7–15, 1939
Fascist Italy invades and annexes Albania.

August 23, 1939
Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union sign a nonaggression agreement and a secret codicil dividing eastern Europe into spheres of influence.

September 1, 1939
Germany invades Poland, initiating World War II in Europe.

Source:= http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article....uleId=10007306

Originally Posted by Betonov

The Nazis.

Nazis invaded Poland September 1st and set in motion the alliance system that brought Britain and France into the conflict.
Yes, Britain did declare war on Germany and not vice versa, but after Germany invaded an ally and refused to back out after repeated attempt by London to defuse the situation.

But... but... I...?