Who Started World War II?

[Joefour]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

Oh please. He doesn't make any points! He makes claims and promotes absurd beliefs and the people don't fall for that, that's all!

You aren't allowing him to make any points. I for one, want to hear what he has to say!

[MLF]

I have been following this "debate" with "interest".

Some book titles have been put forward by Fahnenbohn supposedly supporting his views. As those books/papers are in French Fahnenbohn has requested time to get the relevant supporting documentation translated into English. I would like to suggest that this thread is locked/closed until Fahnenbohn has his documentation translated and available and a new thread opened as a formal debate rather than this constant revolving around a fluid motion which can only fail/end up in tears. This could also give others time to get together material as a counter argument - if anyone is really interested.

No smileys or capitals in bold as this is a very emotive subject.

Regards,

MLF

[MLF]

Post #162

Originally Posted by MLF

I have been following this "debate" with "interest".

I would like to suggest that this thread is locked/closed until Fahnenbohn has his documentation translated and available and a new thread opened as a formal debate rather than this constant revolving around a fluid motion which can only fail/end up in tears. This could also give others time to get together material as a counter argument - if anyone is really interested.

Until those documents are translated there just doesn't seem to be anything really to debate other than Fahnenbohn's opinions and the "facts" that he says are contained within those documents/books. And when you debate another's unsubstantiated opinion, then insults will fly.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Joefour

You aren't allowing him to make any points. I for one, want to hear what he has to say!

This is not a in-person forum, one cannot shout over the other here.
You type, submit, it shows. If 10 others type at the same time your post will still show.

About panslavism and WW1.
Russia had no intentions of uniting the slavic nations under one flag. They had Serbia as an ally and a presence in the Balkans. They didn't really care about Slovenes and Croats under the Habsburg yoke.
Serbia would have had ideas of a panslavic country in the Balkans with Slovenes and Croats and they knew Austria-Hungary was sick. But they weren't dumb enough to agregate A-H directly.
Gavrillo princip and the Black hand worked alone, without Belgrade. When the assasination was done Belgrade begged and pleaded to Wien to defuse the situation peacefully. Unfortunately for the world, Franz Joseph was already demented and still living in the age of chilvary and war was the only honorable thing to do. The rest as they say is history.
It wasn't really panslavism, it was a demented Austrian emperor.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Joefour

You aren't allowing him to make any points. I for one, want to hear what he has to say!

On the contrary, I'm of the opinion he has had many an opportunity.

Sailor Steve
#21

but since Jim is already involved I decided I needed to stay out and play referee

Jimbuna
#31

categoric assurances from Steve and now me publicly, there will be nobody getting banned provided forum rules are adhered to

The above means I post on this without moderation capability/capacity.

MLF
#162

I would like to suggest that this thread is locked/closed until Fahnenbohn has his documentation translated and available and a new thread opened as a formal debate

I beg to differ, categoric assurances have been given to Fahnenbohn and any further thread on the matter would be surplus to requirements and most certainly one more too many considering the course this subject has taken and would come back into my remit.

I'm appealing to you all as a forum member to remain calm and act sensibly because this thread is beginning to look like a no-win (no pun intended) situation for anyone and least of all Steve and potentially eventually Neal.