Who Started World War II?

[Fahnenbohn]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

I do not have to prove your absurd claims to be wrong - you are the one who has to deliver here, not me.

Good, so don't say that what I say is absurd before I've started to speak.

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

What you say goes against everything in our history books and don't even start with "history is written by the victor".

For having a better idea on the official story, please see here :

[Sailor Steve]

@ Fahnenbohn: Okay, stop right there. I've said several times that this thread was to be about your original claim, which was that the British started the Second World War. Now we have a link to a discussion on Britain's most famous Holocaust denier? You need to show me what that has to do with the subject. I'm waiting for a response from Neal concerning other subjects. Until you get my go-ahead or refusal, the topic is who started the war.

Stick to it.

@ Everybody: I too am getting tired of the attacks. Either say something about the subject or don't say anything.

[Joefour]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

@ Fahnenbohn: Okay, stop right there. I've said several times that this thread was to be about your original claim, which was that the British started the Second World War. Now we have a link to a discussion on Britain's most famous Holocaust denier? You need to show me what that has to do with the subject. I'm waiting for a response from Neal concerning other subjects. Until you get my go-ahead or refusal, the topic is who started the war.

Stick to it.

@ Everybody: I too am getting tired of the attacks. Either say something about the subject or don't say anything.

Thank you, Steve.
I was beginning to worry that Fahnenbohn and this entire thread was going to be shouted down.

Ah, right!

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

For having a better idea on the official story, please see here :

David Irving is a Hitler supporter and said many times the Holocaust was the work of others and Hitler played no part. This is a very sensitive area, David Irving went as far as questioning the gas chambers at Auschwitz. Yes I have read a couple of his books and I wonder if David Irving has read Commandant of Auschwitz by Rudolf Hoess.

[Betonov]

Speaking of the holocaust. Jews weren't the only victims.
Homosexuals, gypsies, slavs... They just gave jews priority, the war was over before they would have started to ''clean'' Yugoslavia.
As far as I'm concerned my grandparents we're on their kill list and an atempted murder of my grandparents is an atempted murder of me. That's why I may be a little personaly involved in this.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Speaking of the holocaust.

But we are specifically not doing that. We're speaking of who started the war.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

But we are specifically not doing that. We're speaking of who started the war.

The Nazis.

Nazis invaded Poland September 1st and set in motion the alliance system that brought Britain and France into the conflict.
Yes, Britain did declare war on Germany and not vice versa, but after Germany invaded an ally and refused to back out after repeated attempt by London to defuse the situation.

[MLF]

September 18, 1931
Japan invades Manchuria.

October 2, 1935–May 1936
Fascist Italy invades, conquers, and annexes Ethiopia.

October 25–November 1, 1936
Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy sign a treaty of co-operation on October 25; on November 1, the Rome-Berlin Axis is announced.

November 25, 1936
Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan sign the Anti-Comintern Pact, directed against the Soviet Union and the international Communist movement.

July 7, 1937
Japan invades China, initiating World War II in the Pacific.

March 11–13, 1938
Germany incorporates Austria in the Anschluss.

September 29, 1938
Germany, Italy, Great Britain, and France sign the Munich agreement which forces the Czechoslovak Republic to cede the Sudetenland, including the key Czechoslovak military defense positions, to Nazi Germany.

March 14–15, 1939
Under German pressure, the Slovaks declare their independence and form a Slovak Republic. The Germans occupy the rump Czech lands in violation of the Munich agreement, forming a Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia.

March 31, 1939
France and Great Britain guarantee the integrity of the borders of the Polish state.

April 7–15, 1939
Fascist Italy invades and annexes Albania.

August 23, 1939
Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union sign a nonaggression agreement and a secret codicil dividing eastern Europe into spheres of influence.

September 1, 1939
Germany invades Poland, initiating World War II in Europe.

Source:= http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article....uleId=10007306

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by MLF

[...]
March 31, 1939
France and Great Britain guarantee the integrity of the borders of the Polish state.

[...]

August 23, 1939
Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union sign a nonaggression agreement and a secret codicil dividing eastern Europe into spheres of influence.

[edit: how about "dividing Poland"]

September 1, 1939
Germany invades Poland, initiating World War II in Europe.

And on September 17th, 1939, 16 days after Nazi Germany invaded Poland from the west, the Soviet Union invaded Poland from the east.
The invasion and battle lasted for the following 20 days and ended on October 6th, 1939 with the two-way division and annexation of the entire territory of the Second Polish Republic by both Germany and the Soviet Union.

Then, England declared war to Germany. Because England did not "guarantee Poland's borders".
It only guaranteed Poland help in case of Germany violating Poland's borders.

Originally Posted by Betonov

The Nazis.

Nazis invaded Poland September 1st and set in motion the alliance system that brought Britain and France into the conflict.
Yes, Britain did declare war on Germany and not vice versa, but after Germany invaded an ally and refused to back out after repeated attempt by London to defuse the situation.

But... but... I...?

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

But... but... I...?

Yes dear ally from a centruy ago ??

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Betonov

The Nazis.

Nazis invaded Poland September 1st and set in motion the alliance system that brought Britain and France into the conflict.
Yes, Britain did declare war on Germany and not vice versa, but after Germany invaded an ally and refused to back out after repeated attempt by London to defuse the situation.

Well, technically it was Imperial Japan, but at that point it wasn't a world war...in fact, you probably couldn't call it a world war until 1941, but the first shots of World War II were most likely during Japans conquests of China.

Actually, I guess if you really wanted to go there you could say that the first shots of World War II were fired in Sarajevo in 1914...

So it was all Serbias fault!

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Well, technically it was Imperial Japan, but at that point it wasn't a world war...in fact, you probably couldn't call it a world war until 1941, but the first shots of World War II were most likely during Japans conquests of China.

Correct How could there be a World War without the USA declaring war on Germany after Japan attacked Pearl Harbor?

The debate now has centered on Germany or England anything else is after those two fired the first shots at each other and by the way when was that?

[Joefour]

Originally Posted by Betonov

The Nazis.

Nazis invaded Poland September 1st and set in motion the alliance system that brought Britain and France into the conflict.
Yes, Britain did declare war on Germany and not vice versa, but after Germany invaded an ally and refused to back out after repeated attempt by London to defuse the situation.

Yes, but WHY did Germany invade Poland? That is the bone of contention, which should be in my opinion, the focus of this entire thread.