My father was a member in the Hitlerjugend

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Look at people voting for groups like UKIP and the FN in France, it's all part of fear and promises.

Fear indeed and todays terror in France is a welcome water to their...

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[Oberon]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Fear indeed and todays terror in France is a welcome water to their...

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All forms of extremists thrive on fear. The more we're scared, the more they can exploit us.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Yeah, that UKIP worries me, since I have a plan to move to the UK.

It's OK, I have a plan for you. You simply have to put yourself up as a UKIP councillor. Or marry Nigel Farage, but that post is currently occupied by a German.

No need to thank me.

[Betonov]

I'll just look for work in the north.
It seems things will be quieter there

[ikalugin]

Interesting to see that there are other people of noble Russian origin in this forum, the world is such a small place.
http://www.grwar.ru/persons/persons....5d36d5f20fa803
(one of my ancestors - his grandfather I think was a soldier, a peasant in youth, who received his plot of land due to exceptional service. He then married with a far older family of officers)
My family for some time (since around 19th century, before some of the roots could be found as far as Italy) served Russian empire (and then the USSR and now Russian Federation) as non landed specialists (officers and civil servants). It is interesting to see how they have persisted, even though repressed and prosecuted during their service to the country (be that by Polish peasants going after the family or them being executed during the purges).

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Penguin

That's inapropriate: My grandfather died in Auschwitz






- he was hit by a hockey puck while drinking in the guard tower.

[Matador.es]

In the past few years my perspective has changed a lot concerning "former enemy" of Nazi Germany. It is the winner who writes history (Churchill).

Last year i was in Normandy, when on route to Collevile-sur-Mer (American Cemetery) we passed along a very small German Cemetery. It makes you think.

Recently i saw "Unsere Mütter, unsere väter" also known as "Our mothers, our fathers" or "Generation War". I can recommend it to all who play any Silent Hunter game (or alike), since one way or the other, "we" all play with history.

After having seen that, what can we say about choices

[Betonov]

Since we're talking about hitler

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anophthalmus_hitleri

[kranz]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

So what?
Someone already posted a link, read the 5th source there on the myth of hitlers autobahns.

right. I quoted Burleigh with a naive supposition that you have finally stopped 'studying' history from blogs and feature films. Apparently, I was wrong.

Originally Posted by ikalugin

My family for some time (since around 19th century, before some of the roots could be found as far as Italy) served Russian empire (and then the USSR and now Russian Federation) as non landed specialists (officers and civil servants). It is interesting to see how they have persisted, even though repressed and prosecuted during their service to the country (be that by Polish peasants going after the family or them being executed during the purges).

so much butthurt...
Polish peasants usually cultivate Polish land. What were your relatives doing on the Polish land around the 19th century and later (up to 1989/90).
Taking part in the Partitions?
The War of 1920?
The backstab in September 1939?
The liberation of Poland since 1944 with rapes and murders of innocent people?
The communist times with persecuting of ex-guerrillas and their families?

a 'noble' family I must say.

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Since we're talking about hitler

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anophthalmus_hitleri

That would be worth an entry in Cybermats "I never knew that" thread.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

That would be worth an entry in Cybermats "I never knew that" thread.

You're right

[Jimbuna]

Stay on topic if we'd all be so kind, lest this thread be shunted into a siding.

TIA

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by kranz

so much butthurt...
Polish peasants usually cultivate Polish land. What were your relatives doing on the Polish land around the 19th century and later (up to 1989/90).
Taking part in the Partitions?
The War of 1920?
The backstab in September 1939?
The liberation of Poland since 1944 with rapes and murders of innocent people?
The communist times with persecuting of ex-guerrillas and their families?

a 'noble' family I must say.

Well after that point we went to serve Russian Empire/USSR/Russia, which is not a bad thing. The only real damage that was done - was the destruction of documents (due to the estate being pillage and burned down by the peasantry with the wife and kids having to flee, which I think was the last drop that forced our family to serve Russian Empire), due to which we lost the Prince (Князь) title and had to do with Count (Граф) one. So sad it was.

They were there before partition and when it occurred went from Polish service into Imperial Russian service. As they were from further west they did not have any pro Russian bias pre partition. However, to answer your questions:
- No. They were caught in the events, as their original intention (as the western military specialists) was to serve in the Poland-Lithuania, which was not possible due to partitions (hence they swore fealty to Russian Empire).
- No. Boris Stolbin had a desk job at the Artillery directorate at the time. Others did not serve any posts of note and as far as I am aware did not participate in the 1920 war.
- No. I won't argue with your classification of 1939 events (as USSR did not have any substantial alliance obligations with Poland thus making a "back stab" not possible, however my ancestors were either dead (Stolbin was executed in 1937 purges) or were serving in Caucasus area or were serving in Black Sea and Northern Fleets.
- No. They were either fighting down south or up north and not in Poland.
- No. None worked for the state security agencies. I would note that your view here appears to be somewhat biased as it is in the previous point.

[mapuc]

My family is very complicated

The first years of my father, my Grandma was alone with him, living on help from her family.

About 1½ years after my father birth, my grandma found a danish man and they got married. This man became my(step)grandfather(which I first learned when I was grown-up) This man was born i Denmark by a Russian mother and a Polish father.

The family on my Grandma side fought on the german side during the WWII
many in my (step)Grandfathers family fought on the allied side some in Russia.
and some for Germany.

In the town where my mom was born, who was a very little town with about 50 habitant most of them went into the war on either the allied side or the german side.

I think that this is a common thing in a war-there is always people from other countries that seeks adventure in a war, on one of the fighting parts.

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[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

It is on topic.
Kranz used Hitler's Autobahns.
His source uses 'Hitler's autobahns'
See the difference. "Autobahns" were too 'Jewish'
Its the same as his use of 'idiots' in relation to euthanasia and 'degenerates' in relation to 're-education'.
The author uses the method to illustrate Nazi propaganda.

So further on topic, someone claimed Hitler had good ideas, the closest so far is that Hitler shot himself. That would be a winner if Hitler had done it in 1918 rather than 1945

Now yes, we agree on how evil he was but then. in the beginning of the 30's and during the 30's and the first half of the war.

Why did people vote for Hitler and the nazi-party ?

In Sweden and in Denmark, Hitler and the naziparty was the greatest thing that had happen to the world according to most of the politician at that time era.

What is (un)known is that some of the top people from the nazi parties was invented to some of the Swedish politicans Annual General Meeting in the middle and the end of the 30's
( remember when this was revealed on a newsprogram, it shocked us)

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