My father was a member in the Hitlerjugend

[Oberon]

Look at people voting for groups like UKIP and the FN in France, it's all part of fear and promises.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Look at people voting for groups like UKIP and the FN in France, it's all part of fear and promises.

Yeah, that UKIP worries me, since I have a plan to move to the UK.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Yeah, that UKIP worries me, since I have a plan to move to the UK.

It's OK, I have a plan for you. You simply have to put yourself up as a UKIP councillor. Or marry Nigel Farage, but that post is currently occupied by a German.

No need to thank me.

[Betonov]

I'll just look for work in the north.
It seems things will be quieter there

[ikalugin]

Interesting to see that there are other people of noble Russian origin in this forum, the world is such a small place.
http://www.grwar.ru/persons/persons....5d36d5f20fa803
(one of my ancestors - his grandfather I think was a soldier, a peasant in youth, who received his plot of land due to exceptional service. He then married with a far older family of officers)
My family for some time (since around 19th century, before some of the roots could be found as far as Italy) served Russian empire (and then the USSR and now Russian Federation) as non landed specialists (officers and civil servants). It is interesting to see how they have persisted, even though repressed and prosecuted during their service to the country (be that by Polish peasants going after the family or them being executed during the purges).

[kranz]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

So what?
Someone already posted a link, read the 5th source there on the myth of hitlers autobahns.

right. I quoted Burleigh with a naive supposition that you have finally stopped 'studying' history from blogs and feature films. Apparently, I was wrong.

Originally Posted by ikalugin

My family for some time (since around 19th century, before some of the roots could be found as far as Italy) served Russian empire (and then the USSR and now Russian Federation) as non landed specialists (officers and civil servants). It is interesting to see how they have persisted, even though repressed and prosecuted during their service to the country (be that by Polish peasants going after the family or them being executed during the purges).

so much butthurt...
Polish peasants usually cultivate Polish land. What were your relatives doing on the Polish land around the 19th century and later (up to 1989/90).
Taking part in the Partitions?
The War of 1920?
The backstab in September 1939?
The liberation of Poland since 1944 with rapes and murders of innocent people?
The communist times with persecuting of ex-guerrillas and their families?

a 'noble' family I must say.

[Jimbuna]

Stay on topic if we'd all be so kind, lest this thread be shunted into a siding.

TIA

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by kranz

so much butthurt...
Polish peasants usually cultivate Polish land. What were your relatives doing on the Polish land around the 19th century and later (up to 1989/90).
Taking part in the Partitions?
The War of 1920?
The backstab in September 1939?
The liberation of Poland since 1944 with rapes and murders of innocent people?
The communist times with persecuting of ex-guerrillas and their families?

a 'noble' family I must say.

Well after that point we went to serve Russian Empire/USSR/Russia, which is not a bad thing. The only real damage that was done - was the destruction of documents (due to the estate being pillage and burned down by the peasantry with the wife and kids having to flee, which I think was the last drop that forced our family to serve Russian Empire), due to which we lost the Prince (Князь) title and had to do with Count (Граф) one. So sad it was.

They were there before partition and when it occurred went from Polish service into Imperial Russian service. As they were from further west they did not have any pro Russian bias pre partition. However, to answer your questions:
- No. They were caught in the events, as their original intention (as the western military specialists) was to serve in the Poland-Lithuania, which was not possible due to partitions (hence they swore fealty to Russian Empire).
- No. Boris Stolbin had a desk job at the Artillery directorate at the time. Others did not serve any posts of note and as far as I am aware did not participate in the 1920 war.
- No. I won't argue with your classification of 1939 events (as USSR did not have any substantial alliance obligations with Poland thus making a "back stab" not possible, however my ancestors were either dead (Stolbin was executed in 1937 purges) or were serving in Caucasus area or were serving in Black Sea and Northern Fleets.
- No. They were either fighting down south or up north and not in Poland.
- No. None worked for the state security agencies. I would note that your view here appears to be somewhat biased as it is in the previous point.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Look at people voting for groups like UKIP and the FN in France, it's all part of fear and promises.

Fear indeed and todays terror in France is a welcome water to their...

Markus

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Fear indeed and todays terror in France is a welcome water to their...

Markus

All forms of extremists thrive on fear. The more we're scared, the more they can exploit us.