Opinion! A Phony Hero for a Phony War

[Oberon]

Generally speaking, with suicide bombers, killing themselves is part of the problem...

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Red Brow

He was The Great Khan. He had what would be equivalent to generals under him. Obama could be just about anything found from one end of the universe to the other, but he is not The Great Khan. Perhaps a con. He is now my fearless leader thanks to lots and lots of little people.

Seeing as Genghis Khan conquered everything from Mongolia to Poland, he doesn't really belong here! Not even as an example!

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Generally speaking, with suicide bombers, killing themselves is part of the problem...

Yea. That's the down side of that career path.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by u crank

Yea. That's the down side of that career path.

At least there are 72 virgins...oh, wait, you mean that's only for actual Muslims?

Sorry, Ahab!

http://armedforcesjournal.com/2012/02/8904030

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Does this mean you believe you know better than all those "little people"?

Also, no such thing as little people. We're all important. (This isn't directed at you, Steve)

[Cybermat47]

In my opinion, the worst military leader ever was Herman Goering.

If he hadn't been such a douche, he could've won the war. Instead, he ended up taking cyanide because he was too pussy to be hung.

[Karle94]

Imagine him trying to squeeze into a cockpit of a 109. The fat bastard probably would`t fit into a Me 323 Gigant.

[Red Brow]

Or so the Bible says. Now While I was a Christian for 27 years and a preacher at least 20 of those years, I am not either now. But one thing I clearly saw when I was both, was that the story of Samson reached a critical point when he got angry at being blind (thanks to his foes) and he begs Yahweh (the War God Exodus 15:3) to restore his supernatural strength to his arms so that he can kill his foes.

Essentially Yahweh the War God gives Samson back his great strength, which in the full context of the story is like Yahweh handing Samson a huge load of explosives, and Samson brings down the Philistines temple killing both himself (a suicide abetted by Yahweh) and the rulers and ALL THE PEOPLE there:

"Then Samson prayed to God, "remember me, I pray thee, and strengthen me, I pray thee, only this once, O God, that I may be at once avenged of the Philistines for my two eyes" (Judges 16:28)". "Samson said, 'Let me die with the Philistines!' (Judges 16:30 - note he begs for suicide) He pulled the two pillars together (or possibly pushed them apart), and down came the temple on the rulers and all the people in it. Thus he killed many more as he died than while he lived." (Judges 16:30)."

Some theologians estimate he killed up to 10,000 men women and children.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson

Of course at the moment I view the whole story as make believe, since I am not a Christian anymore.

Isn't it odd how modern Western Christians have a big disconnect with their god approving suicide - especially a terrorist suicide?

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Karle94

Imagine him trying to squeeze into a cockpit of a 109. The fat bastard probably would`t fit into a Me 323 Gigant.

When I first saw Battle of Britain, I thought that Goering wasn't I fighter ace anymore because he couldn't fit into his Fokker.

Hey, I was only 5!

[Karle94]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

When I first saw Battle of Britain, I thought that Goering wasn't I fighter ace anymore because he couldn't fit into his Fokker.

Hey, I was only 5!

Damn, that really cracked me up. That and the image it created.

[Cybermat47]

@ Red Brow

I don't actually have that much of a problem with suicide bombing, as long as its for a good cause, which is why I hate Al Qaeda, who are trying to make everyone conform with there twisted version of Islam. If somebody had suicide-bombed Hitler, I'd be fine with that, except for the fact that somebody non-evil had died.

Also, you say that it's only western Christians who have a disconnect with God saying "Well, you've got a whole country laughing at you after the woman you loved betrayed you to them, I guess I'll let you kill those smug little bastards", but this was in the old testament, so it's part of the Jewish faith as well.

[Red Brow]

I don't think the Jews historically ever had a disconnect with suicide in warfare. I was speaking about modern Westernized McChristians - especially in America. Anyway you guys brought up the topic about suicide bombers. I just wanted to point out that it was something spoken of since ancient times.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Red Brow

I don't think the Jews historically ever had a disconnect with suicide in warfare. I was speaking about modern Westernized McChristians - especially in America. Anyway you guys brought up the topic about suicide bombers. I just wanted to point out that it was something spoken of since ancient times.

And it was very interesting, thank you! Sorry, I thought that you were using it to turn this thread into a theological debate, sorry.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by u crank

Do you mean the terrorists or the innocent civilians?

The problem we have is that each terrorist has a family of innocent civilians who upon his death will want to avenge him and become yet more terrorists.

The only logical solution is the eliminate The Cause that is the reason innocent civilians decide become terrorists in the first place or eliminate all innocent civilians before they become terrorists.

Yea logic sucks sometimes.