PERFECT SIM! What can we make out of SH5/SH3?

[rocker_lx]

For me a good game is about immersion, this does mean for me that the graphics can never be good enough. I agree when people say that a dream would be SH5 with the campaign, U-boat types, equipment and time frame offered by SH3 (and maybe GWX).

I have high hopes in the work of privateer. I think SH5 has a nice future, if he can create a possibility to add all those things into SH5.
Also thanks to TheDarkWraith for creating this nice experience with his cool UIs.

[Obltn Strand]

Don't know about SH4&5 but I have my suspicions...
or modding or computers for that matter

A decent submarine simulator should have zig zagging ships.

[Schwieger]

so... what prevents modders from making SH3 look like SH5 graphic wise?

[JCWolf]

Hi there guys,


Here is my point of view as a SH3 Moder.


First after 3 years of making all kinds of graphic Mods and latter changing to larger mods of my own and merging along some other Mods upon my U.Boat releases i reached to a conclusion in the end, The first and most obvious one was that GWX was at least for me the Super Mod that really transported the SH3 game into its limits, as for game play and game engine capacity, GWX gave us all the extension and game upgrade that we and the game needed to finally be played in a totally different way and gave us a totally new experience.

from that a lot of new guys and other established moders made some important changes making at the end a game that we all loved and still love, but most of all, the doors were opened that we thought would never be opened, and the game jumped into a new level that I personally believe made UBI realize that could exploit the situation and launch 2 new New Sub Sim that in fact took the complete wrong direction, SH4 UBI's first attempt to refresh SH3 Game was in my opinion a failure cause of their choice of changing the Atlantic Scenery for the Pacific, Then later on SH5 another attempt from UBI to capture the Community again resulted in another bad move cause bring you to Middle Atlantic war taking us the all experience that we all loved in SH3...Game engines are the natural evolution in this 3 games, we all know that SH 4 and 5 have a superb game engine that is wasted in a game play that lacks horizon lines or if you want a better developed game base and story, With respect for the Pacific Sub war , nothing is compared to the German u-boat Atlantic campaign during the WWII years, so everything that UBI as done was taking out the "Candy" (SH3 Atlantic war) from the community and try to
change the outstanding community Modding creativity to explore new Sub Sim scenarios like the Pacific and then realizing their mistake go back to the German Atlantic war but again the wrong way by starting the game campaign in middle war....

I left the Modding Cause I had personal reasons but also cause the SH3
is in fact a game that is reaching its limits if didn't already, and cause his newest brothers are to limited yet to capture my creative vain....

I have all the SH3 games, stored and waiting for better days.

In my opinion, Sh4 is the game that can really support a major Modding change, Transporting the actual Pacific campaign to the Atlantic, with all the SH3 features and better graphics and with the possibility to had a lot more cause of its game engine...

...Can you imagine SH3 Ported to SH4 game and all the actual Major Mods that make SH3 a Land mark on this series?...

...Now imagine the modding possibility's that yet could be added into the game...


I think the community should be alert to this ...I still think that GWX is the right team to do it, I believe there are a lot of talented Modders in this place and that more can still born and make the SH4 the next SH3 sim...


But this are just my thoughts.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by JCWolf

In my opinion, Sh4 is the game that can really support a major Modding change, Transporting the actual Pacific campaign to the Atlantic, with all the SH3 features and better graphics and with the possibility to had a lot more cause of its game engine...

...Can you imagine SH3 Ported to SH4 game and all the actual Major Mods that make SH3 a Land mark on this series?...

That's what I keep saying! Maybe they'll listen to you.

[urfisch]

yes, maybe sh4 is the key to all our needs! i forgot to think about that...

[Schwieger]

If there was a way to transfer the damage control system of SH3 to SH4 it would go a long ways towards fixing one of the things I really dislike about SH4

[Chaplain Lovejoy]

Have been playing SH4 exclusively for several weeks, but no longer. The reason: too many CTDs (fully patched, with appropriate RFB mods). A necessary (but not sufficient) condition for a perfect sim is elimination of CTDs. Perfection is impossible, of course, but it still can be a target to aim for.

[Delareon]

Sh4 has lots of potential i agree also, the thing which keeps me really away from playing it is the Crew. Ok the SH3 Crew isnt an eye-candy but the Sh4 Crew looks way too much like a comic from my oppinion.
But this should be moddable. I havent experienced CTD's with SH4 but since my playtime in this part of the SH Series is very limited compared to SH3 i was just lucky maybe...

Are the CTD's a common issue or is it possible that they are "just" Mod-related?

SH5 is a no go for me, dont care about the possibilities in that case, my signature says enough about this i think...

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Schwieger

so... what prevents modders from making SH3 look like SH5 graphic wise?

The transparent water is based on all-new internal stuff that, as far as I know, is impossible to retrofit. There is a mod that makes SH3's water look a lot like SH5's, but that whole transparency thing seems to be right out. Also, the ship models are much more advanced, using newer technology as well.

Originally Posted by Chaplain Lovejoy

Have been playing SH4 exclusively for several weeks, but no longer. The reason: too many CTDs (fully patched, with appropriate RFB mods). A necessary (but not sufficient) condition for a perfect sim is elimination of CTDs. Perfection is impossible, of course, but it still can be a target to aim for.

I find SH4 to be much more stable. I pretty much never get CTDs in SH4, whereas SH3 is very touchy about what's installed.

Originally Posted by Delareon

Sh4 has lots of potential i agree also, the thing which keeps me really away from playing it is the Crew. Ok the SH3 Crew isnt an eye-candy but the Sh4 Crew looks way too much like a comic from my oppinion.

This seems to be a matter of personal taste. I think SH4's crew are much more acceptable.

[JCWolf]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

That's what I keep saying! Maybe they'll listen to you.

I believe that this pray was already listen my friend, what I believe is that such a work like porting the SH3 campaign and features to the SH4 game is in fact a huge work load that will probably take a long road to develop and that means time and mostly its free time that moves Modders here, it is a work that requires Patience and time, that right now is a key to real life engagements, it is a 1 or 2 years maybe more time task that also requires a lot of our real life time and that can be a problem for some of us that have not this time to give and dedicate building this huge work.

I would join any team that could do this, but I think that the only team that can really accomplish the task is the former GWX team along with some more valued reenforcements...

[Capt. Morgan]

As I sit stationary in my IIa at 512X TC, in the North Sea, waiting for the Hurricane to abate (7 days straight of zero visibility/15Kps winds), I have to say that I am hoping that someday soon, Op Monsoon will fully catch up to GWX.

SH4 + OpMonsoon + OMEGU is pretty close right now in terms of enjoyable play - if not number of cool mods available, but If parts of the New Interior mod can be successfully integrated into a SH4-type-IXD (Nine Delta Two), I imagine others will follow as OpMonsoon expands.

From reading this forum I hold no hope for GWX4 restarting, just as I hold none for an SH4-Commander, but I do hope that Op Monsoon will continue their work, and I'd say that is the best hope for the ultimate ATO subsim.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by JCWolf

I believe that this pray was already listen my friend, what I believe is that such a work like porting the SH3 campaign and features to the SH4 game is in fact a huge work load that will probably take a long road to develop and that means time and mostly its free time that moves Modders here, it is a work that requires Patience and time, that right now is a key to real life engagements, it is a 1 or 2 years maybe more time task that also requires a lot of our real life time and that can be a problem for some of us that have not this time to give and dedicate building this huge work.

I know it would be a lot of work. I too would be glad to pitch in wherever I could. What frustrates me is that so many have put so much time into making mods for SH3 that could be converted for SH4 without too much more trouble. I just wish I had the skills to do that kind of work.

Originally Posted by Capt. Morgan

From reading this forum I hold no hope for GWX4 restarting, just as I hold none for an SH4-Commander, but I do hope that Op Monsoon will continue their work, and I'd say that is the best hope for the ultimate ATO subsim.

Unfortunately OM was mostly a one-man operation, and Lurker not only doesn't mod SH4 anymore, he doesn't even post here.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I know it would be a lot of work. I too would be glad to pitch in wherever I could. What frustrates me is that so many have put so much time into making mods for SH3 that could be converted for SH4 without too much more trouble. I just wish I had the skills to do that kind of work.

There's many kinds of skills needed today.
Is there a Mod for SH3 you'd like to see in SH4?
Contact the original Modder, get the permissions and all the files.
Then post that you've done the leg work.
Someone is bound to say
"WTH!! The hard part is done, I'll go ahead and do this!"
Now you just may get that added to SH4.
You never know Who is doing What now days.

[Reece]

Originally Posted by urfisch

another fact that makes me feel, sh5 isnt the right choice is, many talented and skilled modders we had in sh3 (or sh4) are not onboard with sh5 any more. so the manpower might be another reason, why sh5 will never reach the state of an sh3. there a so many things still undiscovered, we need some passioned man to deal with ... not spoken of the tools we need to get further on.

why have so many skilled modders left with sh5? cause they where kicked in the ass by ubis "NEW GEN SUBSIM CONCEPT" and the very, very bad support for this game. some german mod group called "aces of the deep clan" has stopped working on their great mod "return of the aces" they started with the release of sh5. official reason is: "the game is so buggy and unfinished, no one of this team is motivated to repair all these errors, before you even can start modding itself". and also the so called "great and easy modability" of sh5, which was highly recommended by ubi, is not what was meant to be.

conclusion: to me sh5 is a big, raw diamond, which is complicated to handle and needs many experts to cut it. we might do have the needed experts, BUT we DO NOT have any more support by ubi - to tell how we should handle the diamond and which tools are used best.

Agree 100%, I have installed SH5 and although there are some fantastic mods the underlying problems of bugs and game play still exist, I would like to see a huge effort in fixing the bugs and releasing an unofficial patch, then start modding on this new version, rather than everyone working around these bugs, IMO!!