Obama: spineless

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Blood_splat

sort of like the comment says

"Reminds me of the NAZI, anti-Jewish propaganda"

and the dems say republicans apply labels to people

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Blood_splat

That's pretty funny! It's a real smack to republicans, but there is a degree of truth there. I used to be a combination of Mr Numbnuts, and a Neocon. Later i turned into a Mr Moderate when i started thinking about things more. It didn't help being raised in a household where the word Democrat was a shorthand way of saying, "bleeding heart liberal hippie commie faggot". So i never really thought for myself growing up, i just swallowed the schitt i was feed. And no, i'm not a democrat, but i am not a republican anymore either.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

and the dems say republicans apply labels to people

Well, some Republicans do, don't' they?

There is immaturity and child-like emotions on both sides.

[Krauter]

Watching Politics is like listening to Elementary School Girls fighting..

"She said this"

"No I didn't, you're [insert insult] and a liar!"

"No you"

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Krauter

Watching Politics is like listening to Elementary School Girls fighting..

"She said this"

"No I didn't, you're [insert insult] and a liar!"

"No you"

you left out "but you did it first!"

Yeah, like watching kids.

[Krauter]

It'd be actually quite entertaining if it wasn't so sad

[Morts]

Originally Posted by Krauter

It'd be actually quite entertaining if it wasn't so sad

and if they didnt make decisions on our behalf

[Platapus]

And if it did not cost us so much money..... or lives.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Well, some Republicans do, don't' they?

There is immaturity and child-like emotions on both sides.

Of course they do. But here we have a case of one side accusing the other side of name-calling, while pretending they don't do it themselves. Whichever party is in power always plays that game.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Of course they do. But here we have a case of one side accusing the other side of name-calling, while pretending they don't do it themselves. Whichever party is in power always plays that game.

Where are they pretending that they don't do it themselves?

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Where are they pretending that they don't do it themselves?

Tacit acceptance. Side D calls side R names. When side R calls side D names, side D screams "name-calling!" Accusing someone of doing something implies you don't do it yourself. It works for both sides.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Tacit acceptance. Side D calls side R names. When side R calls side D names, side D screams "name-calling!" Accusing someone of doing something implies you don't do it yourself. It works for both sides.

Sorry, your inference is not logical.

Accusing someone of doing something does not mean that you are claiming you don't do it. The two really don't have any causality relationship (or even much of a correlation relationship). An accusation, itself, does not reduce any uncertainty in the hypothesis that the accuser is equally guilty of the same action being accused.

Accusing someone of "A" may or may not indicate that you are also doing "A". The accusation does not influence the hypothesis. Without other information, it is simply unknown.

Politics is full of examples of people accusing others while doing the same thing themselves. The logical term is Tu quoque fallacy.

But you have the right to your inferences. But an inference is not a fact. However you have not demonstrated that any politician (from either side) has ever "pretend[ed] they don't do it themselves." which was the question I had for your post.

If you can find such a citation, I will gladly recognize your inference as being valid and humbly admit I was wrong. I do not claim to be all-knowing about every single quote from a politician.

[Growler]

Plat, the party in power doesn't always need to resort to name calling, since they're in power. That's my interpretation of Steve's remarks, anyway.

The Dems screamed like scalded cats when Bush II was in power, just like the Republicans did when Clinton I was in power. You didn't hear much from the other side because it was in power and didn't need to yell to make changes.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Growler

You didn't hear much from the other side because it was in power and didn't need to yell to make changes.

I disagree. During the Bush Administration there was name calling from both sides. I remember name calling from both sides during the Clinton Administration.

In reading my political history books, there was name calling even in Washington's time.

I don't see any correlation between name calling and which party is the majority.

[Growler]

Oh, I'm not saying it wasn't there; I was only providing my interpretation of Steve's comments.

In my experience, the party in power tends to make less noise than the one that isn't; wait four-to-eight years for the power to shift, and notice that, during that time, as one side wanes, they get louder as they get weaker. It's cyclic. The Dems are falling out of favor, so they're making more noise.

It wasn't Democrats that made Rush Limbaugh popular in the Clinton 90's, just like it wasn't Republicans that did the same for Olbermann in the Bush 00's.