Obama: spineless

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Blood_splat

sort of like the comment says

"Reminds me of the NAZI, anti-Jewish propaganda"

and the dems say republicans apply labels to people

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

and the dems say republicans apply labels to people

Well, some Republicans do, don't' they?

There is immaturity and child-like emotions on both sides.

[Krauter]

Watching Politics is like listening to Elementary School Girls fighting..

"She said this"

"No I didn't, you're [insert insult] and a liar!"

"No you"

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Krauter

Watching Politics is like listening to Elementary School Girls fighting..

"She said this"

"No I didn't, you're [insert insult] and a liar!"

"No you"

you left out "but you did it first!"

Yeah, like watching kids.

[Krauter]

It'd be actually quite entertaining if it wasn't so sad

[Morts]

Originally Posted by Krauter

It'd be actually quite entertaining if it wasn't so sad

and if they didnt make decisions on our behalf

[Platapus]

And if it did not cost us so much money..... or lives.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Well, some Republicans do, don't' they?

There is immaturity and child-like emotions on both sides.

Of course they do. But here we have a case of one side accusing the other side of name-calling, while pretending they don't do it themselves. Whichever party is in power always plays that game.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Of course they do. But here we have a case of one side accusing the other side of name-calling, while pretending they don't do it themselves. Whichever party is in power always plays that game.

Where are they pretending that they don't do it themselves?

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Where are they pretending that they don't do it themselves?

Tacit acceptance. Side D calls side R names. When side R calls side D names, side D screams "name-calling!" Accusing someone of doing something implies you don't do it yourself. It works for both sides.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Tacit acceptance. Side D calls side R names. When side R calls side D names, side D screams "name-calling!" Accusing someone of doing something implies you don't do it yourself. It works for both sides.

Sorry, your inference is not logical.

Accusing someone of doing something does not mean that you are claiming you don't do it. The two really don't have any causality relationship (or even much of a correlation relationship). An accusation, itself, does not reduce any uncertainty in the hypothesis that the accuser is equally guilty of the same action being accused.

Accusing someone of "A" may or may not indicate that you are also doing "A". The accusation does not influence the hypothesis. Without other information, it is simply unknown.

Politics is full of examples of people accusing others while doing the same thing themselves. The logical term is Tu quoque fallacy.

But you have the right to your inferences. But an inference is not a fact. However you have not demonstrated that any politician (from either side) has ever "pretend[ed] they don't do it themselves." which was the question I had for your post.

If you can find such a citation, I will gladly recognize your inference as being valid and humbly admit I was wrong. I do not claim to be all-knowing about every single quote from a politician.

[Growler]

Plat, the party in power doesn't always need to resort to name calling, since they're in power. That's my interpretation of Steve's remarks, anyway.

The Dems screamed like scalded cats when Bush II was in power, just like the Republicans did when Clinton I was in power. You didn't hear much from the other side because it was in power and didn't need to yell to make changes.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Sorry, your inference is not logical.

Accusing someone of doing something does not mean that you are claiming you don't do it.

I think it is. Of course I was influenced by my older daughter. When she was four or so we used to babysit the children of friends. One day when we had several over I noticed that Bethany and her friend JK were sitting on the couch throwing little rubber balls at the opposite wall. I told them at least once to stop, and when I saw them doing it again I went into the living room. JK had just thrown his ball, and he froze in apparent terror. Bethany quickly dropped hers and said "JK was throwing balls inside."

I let him off with a warning, but made her sit in the corner for awhile, then tried to explain to her that tacitly lying is still lying. Accusing him of doing it was implying that she didn't, which of course was a lie couched in the truth.

That's how I see this. When GR said "and the dems say republicans apply labels to people ", it was with the same idea. If I accuse you of doing something wrong, and I do it myself, I'm either trying to divert attention away from myself or trying to convince people that you are the bad guy and I'm the hero, who never does anything wrong.

But of course that's my perception, and I'm hardly an authority on these things.