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[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Castout

In my opinion the whole existence or creation as we know it was definitely put in motion and is still in motion which we casually termed as time that is the ability to track changes surrounding and remembering those changes around us,

otherwise this whole grand motion of existence would be unknown, not enjoyable and not witness-able.

Opinions are nice, and not always to be argued with. Yours is fine, and of course you are free to share it. I personally no longer have an opinion. This is unknown, and I don't see it likely to become known anytime soon.

But...

And i just couldn't believe that we are who we are because of some odd accident or a freak coincidence because everything fits beautifully and in a harmonious order, reliable, stable and life sustainable.

But what we can believe or can't believe is still just opinion. I have no idea whether it could be a freak coincidence or not. Just because there is order is not an explanation of how that order came to be. It's possible we see a creator behind the order because there is one, or it's possible we see that because we want an explanation, even if there isn't one.

And because chaos could not create order out of it ever and because nothing only creates nothing and because motion must be started by something and because that something must have implied a beginning and because that beginning is a proof of design judging the results of it and because design implies intelligence I must refuse to accept that this whole marvelous things I'm looking at including my beautiful wife and children as a result of a god damn freak accident.

How do you know chaos could not create order? How do you know that nothing only creates nothing? None of us were there to see it. With no real evidence, there is no way to know for certain.

I'm not saying you're wrong, because I don't know either. I'm just saying that whether we can believe something or not doesn't make it so.

Just like when you look at a Ferrari, beautiful and functioning and able or with a purpose and enjoyable you must say what a piece of engineering amd you would be nuts if you said it was what it was by itself. Bear this in mind when you're out close with the nature and looking at that mountain or mountain range or the tranquility of that lake or the majesty of the open sea or when just simply staring into the eyes of your loved one. What a piece of engineering!

I've heard that analogy may times, usually using a house rather than a car. The problem is we know how the metal is refined. We know how rubber is manufactured. We know how glass is made. We know how a Ferrari is made even if we lack the ability to build one ourselves.

On the other hand, the metal is in the ground. The rubber comes from rubber plants (actually these days it's made with artificial compounds, but the point is the same). Glass is made from sand. We have a pretty good idea of how the metal gets there, how the tree reproduces, how the sand got there; but we don't know anything beyond that. A tree grows. We can assume that it is 'engineered' by a higher intelligence, but we don't know that it necessarily must be that way. The truth is we don't "know" anything about the why, or if there even is a "why".

I see these things and I wonder, but so far I don't see any answers.