Features in SH1 and Aces That Have Since "Disappeared" - Page 7

the_tyrant · 06-23-10, 08:08 AM

I can almost imagine what happened:
marketing guy a: What games are popular these days? and why?
marketing guy b: Crysis is pretty popular, mainly because of the graphics.
marketing guy a: Good graphics, what else?
marketing guy b: Well Mass Effect sold well, the RPG elements proved to be popular towards nerds with no life.
marketing guy a: Ok, so we add RPG elements, what else?
marketing guy b: Battlestations pacific was well accepted by gamers, it replaced realism with action and explosions
marketing guy a: Good, so we will tell the developers of Silent Hunter 5 to make the graphics better, add RPG elements and action and explosions to what they already have

2 months later:

developers: OMG this game takes up 10 dvds, and another 500 GBs to install.
marketing people: remove everything, just keep the awesome graphics, RPG elements, action and explosions.

Badger Finn · 06-25-10, 07:48 PM

AOTD - Grid map still got it. Its laminated. Reading the first post its unreal how much has dissapeared no wonder im always tweaking and hunting around for this or that mod combo these days...

Bizzare...

Sailor Steve · 06-25-10, 09:35 PM

SH1 was my introduction to mods. Hawk's Silent Hunter Utilities:

SHReal: Corrects some flaws in the S-boats, mainly gets rid of the aft torpedo tube that only four of them had, none in combat.

PZ Pick: Lets you choose your patrol zone.

NewMaru: Semi-randomizes merchant tonnages.

NewGuage: Changes the guages to look more realistic.

NewBoat: Lets you choose the boat you want to run, including Narwhal and Argonaut.

ID Book: A new recognition manual.

Edit Rank: Lets you choose your rank (SH1 didn't have promotions).

Crew Experience: Lets you edit crew experience levels.

Eight mods, and not one of them was to fix bugs in the game. It only had one: If the destroyers had abandoned the search and were miles away, and you went to any time compression at all, they would come back and find you. That's it. Nothing else. Countless hours of fun and not one major complaint.

don1reed · 06-25-10, 09:56 PM

Dang, Steve, you hit all the bases with that list.

Don't know if anyone already mentioned how the convoy survivors scattered to the four winds after the initial sub attack in SH1.

Sorry if I duplicated.

JScones · 06-25-10, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

SH1 was my introduction to mods. Hawk's Silent Hunter Utilities:

SHReal: Corrects some flaws in the S-boats, mainly gets rid of the aft torpedo tube that only four of them had, none in combat.

PZ Pick: Lets you choose your patrol zone.

NewMaru: Semi-randomizes merchant tonnages.

NewGuage: Changes the guages to look more realistic.

NewBoat: Lets you choose the boat you want to run, including Narwhal and Argonaut.

ID Book: A new recognition manual.

Edit Rank: Lets you choose your rank (SH1 didn't have promotions).

Crew Experience: Lets you edit crew experience levels.

Eight mods, and not one of them was to fix bugs in the game. It only had one: If the destroyers had abandoned the search and were miles away, and you went to any time compression at all, they would come back and find you. That's it. Nothing else. Countless hours of fun and not one major complaint.

Ahhh, the days before Ubisoft...

Sailor Steve · 06-25-10, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by don1reed

Don't know if anyone already mentioned how the convoy survivors scattered to the four winds after the initial sub attack in SH1.

Sorry if I duplicated.

I don't remember either, but it never hurts to repeat something good.

Which reminds me of another but I forgot, and really annoyed me:

I was chasing a merchant, shooting at him with my deck gun. All of a sudden my sub started turning. I ordered it back to course, but it kept turning. I looked at the map and found I was at the edge of my patrol zone. Since the game teleported you there you couldn't leave it except by ending the patrol, at which time you teleported back home again.

It only ever happened once, but the next time someone complains about having to drive all the way across the Pacific in SH4, I want them to remember 'the one that got away' because I couldn't go out of bounds.

Buddahaid · 06-26-10, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I don't remember either, but it never hurts to repeat something good.

Which reminds me of another but I forgot, and really annoyed me:

I was chasing a merchant, shooting at him with my deck gun. All of a sudden my sub started turning. I ordered it back to course, but it kept turning. I looked at the map and found I was at the edge of my patrol zone. Since the game teleported you there you couldn't leave it except by ending the patrol, at which time you teleported back home again.

It only ever happened once, but the next time someone complains about having to drive all the way across the Pacific in SH4, I want them to remember 'the one that got away' because I couldn't go out of bounds.

I've been there at least once.

Rockin Robbins · 06-26-10, 05:25 AM

All hail the great Eyecandy God. We have sacrificed all to you and yea, we shall sacrifice more. For the next submarine simulation shall not have water.

Sonarman · 06-26-10, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Sh1 with Sh4 graphics would be the end all be all submarine simulation in my opinion. Nothing would ever top that i don't think. That would be a sub sim i could easily play off and on for the next decade.

Whilst the original Aces of the Deep team are scattered to the four winds, the original "Silent Hunter" team are actually still working together perhaps we could ask them to fulfill your dream?

Subnuts · 06-26-10, 09:39 AM

But, but...I never mentioned this in my OP, but SH5 is pretty!

(I'm sorry if this screenshot isn't big enough.)

IanC · 06-26-10, 09:48 AM

Yeah, and in a couple of years a kid will post "dude SH5 looks like soooo dated! It doesn't even use DX12..."

Sailor Steve · 06-26-10, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Subnuts

(I'm sorry if this screenshot isn't big enough.)

It also isn't an annoying slow-to-load .png!

PL_Andrev · 06-27-10, 07:32 AM

Perfect subsim game:

- simulation of submarine (SH series)
- simulation of destroyer (EnigmaRT, DC)
- simulation of other heavy warship (DC)
- control each weapon separately (SH, EnigmaRT, DC, BS series)
- control few units together (DC, BS series)
- additional control of planes/merchants (BS series)

- easy interface (SH3, DC)
- easy gun control (BS series)
- mission editor (SH seires)
- modability (SH series)
- amazing multiplayer battles as SUBvsDD or NAVYvsNAVY (DC, BS series)

And the winner is: SH2/DC
FAIL: poor graphic
FAIL: poor stability
FAIL: stupid AI
FAIL: no merchant/planes control
SPECIAL BONUS: possible playing as Yamato, Bismarck, Iowa, KGV

II place: SH4 ADV mode
FAIL: only one player for all naval units
FAIL: not stable UBI servers
FAIL: only 4 players per game
FAIL: no torpedo warfare against enemy submarines
FAIL: no epic battles between enemy fleets
SPECIAL BONUS: combat human vs human in classic SH game

III-place: BATTLESTATIONS series
FAIL: no simulation game
FAIL: no mission editor
FAIL: too many planes (naval game?)
FAIL: very hard game as submarine against humans
FAIL: human must control group of units, no selected ships with AI support
SPECIAL BONUS: direct control of planes and merchants (merchants only in modded missions)

IanC · 06-27-10, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonarman

Whilst the original Aces of the Deep team are scattered to the four winds, the original "Silent Hunter" team are actually still working together perhaps we could ask them to fulfill your dream?

Somebody (in 'the biz' or with influence) should seriously contact these guys and propose it.

Nisgeis · 06-27-10, 02:58 PM

Having a quick look at their site, it seems they were the ones responsible for SH2 as well, so past performance is no guarantee of future success.

06-25-10, 07:48 PM	#92
Badger Finn Watch Officer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 332 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	AOTD - Grid map still got it. Its laminated. Reading the first post its unreal how much has dissapeared no wonder im always tweaking and hunting around for this or that mod combo these days... Bizzare... __________________ http://www.gamefront.com/files/user/BadgerFinn

06-25-10, 09:35 PM	#93
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	SH1 was my introduction to mods. Hawk's Silent Hunter Utilities: SHReal: Corrects some flaws in the S-boats, mainly gets rid of the aft torpedo tube that only four of them had, none in combat. PZ Pick: Lets you choose your patrol zone. NewMaru: Semi-randomizes merchant tonnages. NewGuage: Changes the guages to look more realistic. NewBoat: Lets you choose the boat you want to run, including Narwhal and Argonaut. ID Book: A new recognition manual. Edit Rank: Lets you choose your rank (SH1 didn't have promotions). Crew Experience: Lets you edit crew experience levels. Eight mods, and not one of them was to fix bugs in the game. It only had one: If the destroyers had abandoned the search and were miles away, and you went to any time compression at all, they would come back and find you. That's it. Nothing else. Countless hours of fun and not one major complaint. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

06-25-10, 09:56 PM	#94
don1reed Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Valhalla: Silent Generation Posts: 1,149 Downloads: 910 Uploads: 0	Dang, Steve, you hit all the bases with that list. Don't know if anyone already mentioned how the convoy survivors scattered to the four winds after the initial sub attack in SH1. Sorry if I duplicated. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ~ George Orwell

06-26-10, 05:25 AM	#98
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	All hail the great Eyecandy God. We have sacrificed all to you and yea, we shall sacrifice more. For the next submarine simulation shall not have water. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

06-26-10, 09:39 AM	#100
Subnuts The Old Man Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,658 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	But, but...I never mentioned this in my OP, but SH5 is pretty! (I'm sorry if this screenshot isn't big enough.) __________________ My Amazon.com reviews

06-23-10, 08:08 AM	#91
the_tyrant Admiral Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 2,272 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	I can almost imagine what happened: marketing guy a: What games are popular these days? and why? marketing guy b: Crysis is pretty popular, mainly because of the graphics. marketing guy a: Good graphics, what else? marketing guy b: Well Mass Effect sold well, the RPG elements proved to be popular towards nerds with no life. marketing guy a: Ok, so we add RPG elements, what else? marketing guy b: Battlestations pacific was well accepted by gamers, it replaced realism with action and explosions marketing guy a: Good, so we will tell the developers of Silent Hunter 5 to make the graphics better, add RPG elements and action and explosions to what they already have 2 months later: developers: OMG this game takes up 10 dvds, and another 500 GBs to install. marketing people: remove everything, just keep the awesome graphics, RPG elements, action and explosions.

06-26-10, 09:48 AM	#101
IanC Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Running silent and deep Posts: 902 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Yeah, and in a couple of years a kid will post "dude SH5 looks like soooo dated! It doesn't even use DX12..."

06-27-10, 07:32 AM	#103
PL_Andrev Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 995 Downloads: 91 Uploads: 0	Perfect subsim game: - simulation of submarine (SH series) - simulation of destroyer (EnigmaRT, DC) - simulation of other heavy warship (DC) - control each weapon separately (SH, EnigmaRT, DC, BS series) - control few units together (DC, BS series) - additional control of planes/merchants (BS series) - easy interface (SH3, DC) - easy gun control (BS series) - mission editor (SH seires) - modability (SH series) - amazing multiplayer battles as SUBvsDD or NAVYvsNAVY (DC, BS series) And the winner is: SH2/DC FAIL: poor graphic FAIL: poor stability FAIL: stupid AI FAIL: no merchant/planes control SPECIAL BONUS: possible playing as Yamato, Bismarck, Iowa, KGV II place: SH4 ADV mode FAIL: only one player for all naval units FAIL: not stable UBI servers FAIL: only 4 players per game FAIL: no torpedo warfare against enemy submarines FAIL: no epic battles between enemy fleets SPECIAL BONUS: combat human vs human in classic SH game III-place: BATTLESTATIONS series FAIL: no simulation game FAIL: no mission editor FAIL: too many planes (naval game?) FAIL: very hard game as submarine against humans FAIL: human must control group of units, no selected ships with AI support SPECIAL BONUS: direct control of planes and merchants (merchants only in modded missions) __________________

06-27-10, 02:58 PM	#105
Nisgeis Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,909 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 11	Having a quick look at their site, it seems they were the ones responsible for SH2 as well, so past performance is no guarantee of future success. __________________ -------------------------------- This space left intentionally blank.