Features in SH1 and Aces That Have Since "Disappeared" - Page 4

JScones · 01-27-10, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by IanC

I once had a dream... the former Dynamix design team reunited and created; Aces Of The Deep II.

I was actually fantasising about the same thing yesterday after I saw the SH5 "authentic" campaign map.

codmander · 01-27-10, 01:24 PM

bump-a rama this is a great post sub nuts hope ubi reads lets not forget sh2/dc2 actully got to control destroyers ,,,,,,,,,,,gone

Rosencrantz · 01-27-10, 02:39 PM

Good thread indeed!

I have being thinking often, why have we lost so many good things in the progress, and why it always seems to be graphic part of the game what interests company/devs most. Ok, I admit, introducing the crew was something, but still...

Why have we lost so many technical things done already?

Greetings,
-RC-

Sailor Steve · 01-27-10, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Lanzfeld

I want Aces back with modern graphics...THAT IS ALL!!!!

People said as much when SH3 was under development. And I agree, but I have grown to like the crew management, especially in SH4. I also of course want modern sound.

To add to the list, though:

Aces: Bottoming the boat would actually make you harder to detect. On the downside you could get stuck in the mud and not be able to get unstuck, so you and your crew died.

Aces also had the most realistic damage-control screen ever - a blueprint of the boat, with damaged circled, and clicking on the circles took you to a simple report by the Chief telling you what, where and when.

SH1: The tear-off calendar with lunar phases, moon and sun rise and set times, and the weather.

SH1 also had super-thick fog in dead calm weather, as described already for Aces, and it was wonderful.

janh · 01-27-10, 09:01 PM

Someone still know Silent Service on C64? Or Silent Service II on PC? Oh man, good old times.

Aces of the Deep definitely remains my all time favorite sub sim. Still have it, and after the new Ubisoft DRM blunder it maybe time to pull it out again. ;-)
Sure, graphics were awesome, but it had all to make an historically sufficiently accurate subsim. A good simulation.
If someone could polish up the graphics to 1024x768, doesn't even need fancy textures and light effects, but just be a good physics and AI simulation. I'd never leave it again.

Ducimus · 01-27-10, 09:22 PM

Sh1 with Sh4 graphics would be the end all be all submarine simulation in my opinion. Nothing would ever top that i don't think. That would be a sub sim i could easily play off and on for the next decade.

I miss SSI.

Task Force · 01-27-10, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by janh

Someone still know Silent Service on C64? Or Silent Service II on PC? Oh man, good old times.

Aces of the Deep definitely remains my all time favorite sub sim. Still have it, and after the new Ubisoft DRM blunder it maybe time to pull it out again. ;-)
Sure, graphics were awesome, but it had all to make an historically sufficiently accurate subsim. A good simulation.
If someone could polish up the graphics to 1024x768, doesn't even need fancy textures and light effects, but just be a good physics and AI simulation. I'd never leave it again.

Yea, lol, I remember silent service on the super nintendo. lol...

Subnuts · 01-31-10, 01:12 PM

Shamelessly bumping this thread to mention a couple things from SH2 that have also disappeared.

Ability to run electric motors on the surface, or run one diesel and completely shut off the other if it's been damaged.
A map showing the location of each ship you've sunk during the campaign.
Map screen showing depth under keel without having to use the echo-locator (suicidal IRL if destroyers were about).

On second thought, SH2 didn't bring a whole lot to the table.

IanC · 01-31-10, 01:21 PM

Slower speeds in heavy seas, like in SH1. I remember hating the bad weather in SH1 because I was barely making any headway. So I would dive. A very 'Das Boot moment' actualy.

CaptainHaplo · 01-31-10, 02:12 PM

Well, to defend the devs, development of any program, be it a game or app, follows a strict guideline. They don't have alot of freedom to go "hey lets put this in" once a project scope is defined. Small things may get in, but major changes don't happen. Project leaders give them a firm timeline to accomplish certain "milestones" - and they are hard pressed to meet those most of the time.

Its also important to realize that the development team is only one voice in the overall planning of a project. Often, its the marketing types that define a project, and the team simply has a goal and plan to work toward, without the ability to affect major deviations.

utops · 01-31-10, 02:56 PM

This whole situation is not according only to subsims,but sim genre in general,
for me Red Baron is still very playable, so as Knights of The Sky by Microprose just because of details, newspapers with whats new on the front, randomness and nothig really was the same from mission to mission.
My Amiga, floppys B-17 FF,KoTS,RedBaron,Silent Service and I 18pm to 4 am
sweet times of the 90s.

IanC · 01-31-10, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by utops

My Amiga, floppys B-17 FF,KoTS,RedBaron,Silent Service and I 18pm to 4 am
sweet times of the 90s.

Ahh yes, subsiming and wee small hours of the morning. Those two things just go together for some reason.

Sailor Steve · 01-31-10, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IanC

Slower speeds in heavy seas, like in SH1. I remember hating the bad weather in SH1 because I was barely making any headway. So I would dive. A very 'Das Boot moment' actualy.

I didn't know about that for a long time; then one day I was wondering why I was going so slow, and it finally dawned on me.

On the other hand, the weather didn't really look very heavy while it was happening.

IanC · 01-31-10, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I didn't know about that for a long time; then one day I was wondering why I was going so slow, and it finally dawned on me.

On the other hand, the weather didn't really look very heavy while it was happening.

That's because the waves looked horrible in SH1

. Aces had a much better rendition if I remember correctly.

Rosencrantz · 01-31-10, 04:51 PM

Wasn't there zig-zagging convoys and Task Groups in SH1?
I can clearly recall at least one convoy making zigs before I launched, and I can't believe I was somehow detected at the time. I was still learning both TDC and manual targeting and even if it asked alot of work from me, I was still able to maneuver in and shoot. And then there was once a Task Group of one or two heavy units + couple of light cruisers making 20+ knt, which I still could overrun (on the surface, of course) because of zigs. However, can't remember how the shooting went. Definitely still one of the most exiting moments.

-RC-

01-27-10, 09:01 PM	#50
janh Stinking drunk in Trinidad Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 349 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	good old times... Someone still know Silent Service on C64? Or Silent Service II on PC? Oh man, good old times. Aces of the Deep definitely remains my all time favorite sub sim. Still have it, and after the new Ubisoft DRM blunder it maybe time to pull it out again. ;-) Sure, graphics were awesome, but it had all to make an historically sufficiently accurate subsim. A good simulation. If someone could polish up the graphics to 1024x768, doesn't even need fancy textures and light effects, but just be a good physics and AI simulation. I'd never leave it again.

01-31-10, 01:12 PM	#53
Subnuts The Old Man Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,658 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	Shamelessly bumping this thread to mention a couple things from SH2 that have also disappeared. Ability to run electric motors on the surface, or run one diesel and completely shut off the other if it's been damaged. A map showing the location of each ship you've sunk during the campaign. Map screen showing depth under keel without having to use the echo-locator (suicidal IRL if destroyers were about). On second thought, SH2 didn't bring a whole lot to the table. __________________ My Amazon.com reviews

01-31-10, 02:12 PM	#55
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,405 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	Well, to defend the devs, development of any program, be it a game or app, follows a strict guideline. They don't have alot of freedom to go "hey lets put this in" once a project scope is defined. Small things may get in, but major changes don't happen. Project leaders give them a firm timeline to accomplish certain "milestones" - and they are hard pressed to meet those most of the time. Its also important to realize that the development team is only one voice in the overall planning of a project. Often, its the marketing types that define a project, and the team simply has a goal and plan to work toward, without the ability to affect major deviations. __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

01-27-10, 01:24 PM	#47
codmander Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: cape cod mass. Posts: 678 Downloads: 59 Uploads: 0	bump-a rama this is a great post sub nuts hope ubi reads lets not forget sh2/dc2 actully got to control destroyers ,,,,,,,,,,,gone

01-27-10, 02:39 PM	#48
Rosencrantz Grey Wolf Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Finland Posts: 758 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	Good thread indeed! I have being thinking often, why have we lost so many good things in the progress, and why it always seems to be graphic part of the game what interests company/devs most. Ok, I admit, introducing the crew was something, but still... Why have we lost so many technical things done already? Greetings, -RC-

01-27-10, 09:22 PM	#51
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Sh1 with Sh4 graphics would be the end all be all submarine simulation in my opinion. Nothing would ever top that i don't think. That would be a sub sim i could easily play off and on for the next decade. I miss SSI.

01-31-10, 01:21 PM	#54
IanC Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Running silent and deep Posts: 902 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Slower speeds in heavy seas, like in SH1. I remember hating the bad weather in SH1 because I was barely making any headway. So I would dive. A very 'Das Boot moment' actualy.

01-31-10, 02:56 PM	#56
utops Planesman Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Gdańsk,Poland Posts: 197 Downloads: 202 Uploads: 0	This whole situation is not according only to subsims,but sim genre in general, for me Red Baron is still very playable, so as Knights of The Sky by Microprose just because of details, newspapers with whats new on the front, randomness and nothig really was the same from mission to mission. My Amiga, floppys B-17 FF,KoTS,RedBaron,Silent Service and I 18pm to 4 am sweet times of the 90s.

01-31-10, 04:51 PM	#60
Rosencrantz Grey Wolf Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Finland Posts: 758 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	Wasn't there zig-zagging convoys and Task Groups in SH1? I can clearly recall at least one convoy making zigs before I launched, and I can't believe I was somehow detected at the time. I was still learning both TDC and manual targeting and even if it asked alot of work from me, I was still able to maneuver in and shoot. And then there was once a Task Group of one or two heavy units + couple of light cruisers making 20+ knt, which I still could overrun (on the surface, of course) because of zigs. However, can't remember how the shooting went. Definitely still one of the most exiting moments. -RC-