Are you you rooting for failure for SH5?

[audessy]

The DRM will go away eventually. So far I see it not as a bad game. Just something different. Someone said it's the "Need for Speed Hot Pursuit" full of eye candy but lacking the depth of prior simulators. That made sense to me. I'm going to enjoy it like any other game instead of constantly comparing it to it's ancestors.

I'm going to buy it when I get the money. Sorry guys, not going to sit around and grunt with yall.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by audessy

The DRM will go away eventually. So far I see it not as a bad game. Just something different. Someone said it's the "Need for Speed Hot Pursuit" full of eye candy but lacking the depth of prior simulators. That made sense to me. I'm going to enjoy it like any other game instead of constantly comparing it to it's ancestors.

And I support your decision fully. No one should be calling folks names for expressing opinions, and yours is as valid as anyone's.

I'm going to buy it when I get the money. Sorry guys, not going to sit around and grunt with yall.

Good on ya! I for one am not grunting; just stating my opinion as well. I'll buy it when I can play it.

[danurve]

Oh the DRM will eventually go away you say hrmm? Well that's a stretch for optimism. And I'm starting to think even by the time it does, if it does, I'll have lost intrest in this game.

I am Not rooting for the failure of SH5, no more then I want a flat tire.

Still, the bottom line for me & the only real protest left is no purchase with that requirment.

Wouldn't want to be in Neal's shoes these days.

[Brag]

Originally Posted by danurve

Oh the DRM will eventually go away you say hrmm? Well that's a stretch for optimism. And I'm starting to think even by the time it does, if it does, I'll have lost intrest in this game.

I am Not rooting for the failure of SH5, no more then I want a flat tire.

Still, the bottom line for me & the only real protest left is no purchase with that requirment.

Wouldn't want to be in Neal's shoes these days.

This is the problem. Ubi is not only losing customers today. Many will drift off forever. It will take a long time to get rid of the sour taste after Ubi has lifted the DRM restrictions. It's a very sad situation.

[Ships-R-Us]

Originally Posted by evan82

Pirates. How many "pirates" can invade my system throught DRM system?
I like to play offline, because I shut down antivirus then for better gameplay. This is one. I want to have my saves on my PC - this is two.
If I pay for something I pay for all, and I do not want pay for something, what should be mine, if part of it, will be not mine at all, capende?

I agree with you about enjoying offline play. As far as pirates invading your system as a result of the implimented DRM, your firewall ensures against that. Your system is just as vulnerable here as it would be playing the game.

I think an area of greater concern is the safety and protection of the server hosting SH5. I have empathy for someone several years into a campaign when a hacker infects the server, at which time I would hold Ubisoft liable for the emotional damage I suffered......

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by JScones

In other words, I have as much loyalty to Ubisoft as they have to me...no more...no less...

*Sigh* I can see your thought process. But it's not about loyalty. It's about the numbers, sales, the reality that low sales = RIP SH, and about the love for submarine games. Even if they are unfinished when released and depend on patches and modders to coax them to a higher level.

Man, if you guys have this loyalty thing rooted in your minds, go buy a toaster or something

Originally Posted by danurve

Wouldn't want to be in Neal's shoes these days.

Meh, my shoes are ok, but ask me in 2020 when I'm still playing SH3,4, and 5...

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Uber Gruber

I find the whole DRM/OSP/KACK issue insulting to be frank. So I care nothing for the future of the company or the SH series.

Now on the matter of Sub Sims..... I see absolutely no reason why a group of dedicated enthusiasts can't get together and create a bloody good sub sim. Quality sells....period.

Awesome! Let's start! You do the programming, ok? I'll do the game design and instruct you on every facet. And everyone else here will tell you how much you suck and refuse to buy the game! Easy!! You have six weeks to get to milestone#1, get busy.

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

Let's look at this another way, when SH4 was released, it was savaged on this forum as buggy, incomplete and worse.."arcadish"..

I reinstalled SH4 1.5 a few weeks back and have been playing it mostly stock and you know what, it is a very decent sim, even out of the box. Everything works as it should, the TDC works as it does on a real fleet boat and is a joy to use. The AI reacts to you as you would expect. As a sub skipper, you have to use real world tactics to stalk a convoy, get a kill and get out with your skin.

Now I know players will say, yes but "the battery drains in x when it should be y in real life", "you can only dive to x when it should be y in RL", "it takes x torps to sink 1943A Target MARU when it should be y", etc., etc., etc., etc.,....No doubt that is true, but that is why we have dedicated modders to fix these little issues.

Would your life have been better if Ubisoft had said after SH3: "These Subnuts are more trouble than they are worth, lets scrap this boat thingy and concentrate on Assassin's Creed 3: Neal's Revenge instead"....

Ha! Imagine if people had chosen to wisely ignore SH2? I mean, to be honest, it was 18 months overdue, had a scripted campaign, terrible AI and multiplayer, no crews.... yeah, the consumers around here should have skipped it, we all should have put our foot down and skipped SH2. Oh, except for the part that the decent sales of SH2 encouraged Ubi to make SH3....

Yeah, seriously, even with the bugs and missing features, SH4 wasn't as bad as the hysteria described.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Awesome! Let's start! You do the programming, ok? I'll do the game design and instruct you on every facet. And everyone else here will tell you how much you suck and refuse to buy the game!

Awesome! I'm in. When can I start the moaning?

DRM...drink more rum!

[Seafireliv]

Originally Posted by Heretic

Every new bit of information about this game is pounced on by people gleefully picking every nit and smugly predicting SH5 a total failure because it doesn't address their pet issue to their satisfaction. I swear, some people are going to actually be disappointed if the game doesn't suck! Not to mention the DRM freakout. No one has seen anything other than descriptions of unfinished previews and they're ready to write it off. Talk about cutting of your nose to spite your face!

Do you not understand what's at stake? This is likely the best we're ever going to get. There is never going to be a sub sim made for us. It's too expensive and the market is too small. The best we can hope for is a game aimed at the mass market that, underneath, has the realism our community can bring out with mods. Everything I see about this game screams 'potential'. Yeah, it's got a simplified interface, but it has to to bring new people into our hobby. Without new people, our hobby dies.

I'm convinced 'our game' is in there, underneath that 'ease of use' layer, if for no other reason than that it's built on SHIII/IV. They didn't throw away their code and start over.

I'm not saying everyone should be a mindless cheerleader and buy the game no matter what, but for God's sake, if SH5 fails, the franchise is quite likely finished. And with that, this hobby, that means so much to us, is DEAD.

Alright, I figured I'd take my turn at a rant. So now go ahead and call me a fanboy or a sellout or tell me 'moo!' a few more times if it makes you feel better.

You have to have principles. You can`t drop your principles because you like subsims so much. How far does it go? How much will you allow yourself to be taken advantage of because you love subsims? Do you think that company execs and such are saying "we must go easy on the customer because we care so much for them` like you? No, they couldn`t care less for you, only your money.

When Rise Of flight first came out there was some argument in my squad about the 24\7 internet activation. I really like WW1 flight sims, but would not buy the sim if this 24\7 was kept in the game. I was accused that i can`t possibly like WW1 sims enough if that was case. But they completely misunderstood that i love WW1 sims, but I will not be held to ransom by greedy companies using my love of something to take advantage of me.

Now ROF will soon allow an OFFline mode. My patience was worth it, my principles remained intact and the ROF people learned a lesson- We cannot all be taken advatange of just because we love the genre.

The same goes for SHV devs.

And again, less of the wringing of hands because they`re the only ones who make Subsims, there will be others and they don`t care a whit for you as you seem to for them. To them you are just money, that`s all.

And if they are too stubborn to change then it is not up to us to keep their company afloat. If they collapse then that is their own doing. We, the customer, protested, told them why and they didn`t listen. Any company that refuses to listen and act on customer concerns deserves to go down whether we want them to or not.

[Polak]

I must jump in and say that it would be really cool if subsim developed and published its own submarine simulator.

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Awesome! Let's start! You do the programming, ok? I'll do the game design and instruct you on every facet. And everyone else here will tell you how much you suck and refuse to buy the game!

No! You've got it backwards! YOU don't design the game, the community does. Every design decision you make, you charge people $0.10 to vote in a poll. The most popular option gets done. The beauty is, you can ask if the community think the game is finished yet and they will pay to vote No! You get the money, we all get a say and no one gets a half finished game. It's win all round. When they want automatic TDC that is also semiautomatic AND manual AND voice controlled AND handled by your 1st watch officer AND your tracking party AND the Captain, just like we all know is and isn't realistic (whatever that is) at the same time, you can just have extra 'options', which of course would require an extra poll.

[Heretic]

I'm not on the other side of the DRM issue. I do agree the publishers' reaction to piracy, real or imagined, is hastening the end of pc gaming. But I believe the death spiral was well underway before DRM. PC gaming has been losing out to consoles for years now. A simple stroll through the pc games section (if it even still exists) of an electronics store tells the tale. They'll dick around with various DRM schemes for a few more years, further alienating their customers, but ultimately they'll just stop making them and put their development money into lowest common denomitor console games. What this community does or doesn't won't change that.

I'm too old and tired for noble causes and banging my head against the wall and always losing. Been there. Done that. Wasn't worth the pain. I freely admit, my reasons for wanting to get what I can now are purely selfish.

[thyro]

I don't wish SH5 a fail... but its graphs have much less quality than what exists today on SH4... so again would have to be the community to solve the holes left from one unfinished game.

And I've not played it yet to see what else lacks... therefore I'm not that impressed with what I've seen of SH5 till now.

[cappy70]

(I was in the intense SH2 debate and it was i n t e n s e.)

Same reason why I compared Bioschock 2 and about things that turned out to be about just sooo much true, according to pre-talks about the saves,online profile upload (big item this one) etc,etc, and then reality was completly different.

That is exactly why I want to buy SH5 and see for myself first.

[col_Kurtz]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

One reason why SH5 is being aimed at the casual gamer is SH4 did not sell well enough.

Reason in my opinion is one. Too many bugs and than too many patches and bugs again. U-boat with English commands... A small mistake, error... let`s do anything to sail more? Wrong way.
And next thing... This game isn`t for everybody not for mass. We got game from Ubi for everybody. So this is the way to make a BIG money. I know, it`s a busines, but business could be good too.
Fail the SH5? No, fail wrong idea.
I saw... I read... somewhere, I don`t remember where and when... this game is for us they are reading our threads and listening us... Am I wrong or I`m a stupid guy?
And I think... if someone love this game will buy it. So Ubi team don`t spoil this time again, PLEASE.
Sorry for my English...