Are you you rooting for failure for SH5?

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Uber Gruber

I find the whole DRM/OSP/KACK issue insulting to be frank. So I care nothing for the future of the company or the SH series.

Now on the matter of Sub Sims..... I see absolutely no reason why a group of dedicated enthusiasts can't get together and create a bloody good sub sim. Quality sells....period.

Awesome! Let's start! You do the programming, ok? I'll do the game design and instruct you on every facet. And everyone else here will tell you how much you suck and refuse to buy the game! Easy!! You have six weeks to get to milestone#1, get busy.

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

Let's look at this another way, when SH4 was released, it was savaged on this forum as buggy, incomplete and worse.."arcadish"..

I reinstalled SH4 1.5 a few weeks back and have been playing it mostly stock and you know what, it is a very decent sim, even out of the box. Everything works as it should, the TDC works as it does on a real fleet boat and is a joy to use. The AI reacts to you as you would expect. As a sub skipper, you have to use real world tactics to stalk a convoy, get a kill and get out with your skin.

Now I know players will say, yes but "the battery drains in x when it should be y in real life", "you can only dive to x when it should be y in RL", "it takes x torps to sink 1943A Target MARU when it should be y", etc., etc., etc., etc.,....No doubt that is true, but that is why we have dedicated modders to fix these little issues.

Would your life have been better if Ubisoft had said after SH3: "These Subnuts are more trouble than they are worth, lets scrap this boat thingy and concentrate on Assassin's Creed 3: Neal's Revenge instead"....

Ha! Imagine if people had chosen to wisely ignore SH2? I mean, to be honest, it was 18 months overdue, had a scripted campaign, terrible AI and multiplayer, no crews.... yeah, the consumers around here should have skipped it, we all should have put our foot down and skipped SH2. Oh, except for the part that the decent sales of SH2 encouraged Ubi to make SH3....

Yeah, seriously, even with the bugs and missing features, SH4 wasn't as bad as the hysteria described.