Are you you rooting for failure for SH5?

[Ships-R-Us]

Originally Posted by TarJak

And you are basing that accusation on what evidence?

I believe that 100% of the statistics in the quoted text are fabrication.

I said that I based it on my belief. Everybody should be aware that pirated PC game copys outnumber legal game copies, by a whole bunch. Henceforth, I tossed up an arbitrary percentage of 65, and my poll submitted a rather conservative percentage of 60. No fabrication, based on fact, and when you do your research you may yourself become enlightened. The population of Subsim contains the same genre of players that exist everywhere.

[Tonnage_Ace]

Originally Posted by IanC

SH3 sold well didn't it? If SH4 didn't it's because it was unfinished and very buggy. If SH5 fails in sales it will be because of the DRM/OSP. So in my opinion, if the SH series ends, it will be squarely the fault of Ubisoft and its decisions. Not the customers.
Like with any other thing, give the customers what they want (within reason needless to say), and you'll have great sales. What would've happened to Coca-Cola if it decided to stick with its 'new coke' even though the customers disliked it? And if Coca-Cola went down because of it, who's fault would that be, Coca-Cola or the customers?

Hahaha love the 'new coke' reference.

If Ubisoft is trying to appeal to -casual/non subsim players- I would laugh a hardy laugh. It's a submarine simulator that requires a mid to high range PC to run...

If you made a Venn diagram for the demographics that involves, it would be a segment so small it would be a microscopic section of the overall PC gaming community.

If someone has crunched the numbers however, how much money would it take to ostracize your fans?

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by Ships-R-Us

I said that I based it on my belief. Everybody should be aware that pirated PC game copys outnumber legal game copies, by a whole bunch. Henceforth, I tossed up an arbitrary percentage of 65, and my poll submitted a rather conservative percentage of 60. No fabrication, based on fact, and when you do your research you may yourself become enlightened. The population of Subsim contains the same genre of players that exist everywhere.

OK so let me get this straight... You base your statement on your belief but have not shown any proof that supports that belief.

You then go on to admit that the statistic was arbitrary 65% or 60% dependong on where you are posting, but that arbitrary number is based on fact, not fabrication.

I also hardly think the genre of players has any impact on their inclination towards or against piracy.

Now you want me to do some research to become enlightened?

You are the one accusing 65% of Subsimmers of playing SH with pirated disks. Back your accusation up or shut up!

[Ships-R-Us]

Originally Posted by TarJak

OK so let me get this straight... You base your statement on your belief but have not shown any proof that supports that belief.

You then go on to admit that the statistic was arbitrary 65% or 60% dependong on where you are posting, but that arbitrary number is based on fact, not fabrication.

I also hardly think the genre of players has any impact on their inclination towards or against piracy.

Now you want me to do some research to become enlightened?

You are the one accusing 65% of Subsimmers of playing SH with pirated disks. Back your accusation up or shut up!

I stated my belief based on true marketing statistics, and hearsay, and opinion. It is now time for you to go have whatever you drink early morning down under.

[HundertzehnGustav]

MOOOO!

[dcb]

Originally Posted by Ships-R-Us

Speaking of pirates; I believe more than 65% of members on this forum play with pirated game copys.

This is really a nasty accusation, which deserves some proof. Otherwise, it's just wrong and bad taste.

[BarjackU977]

Exactly!

Originally Posted by Platapus

I don't know of anyone who is writing this game off. There is a small contingent of people who are choosing to use their freedom of choice not to purchase this game while it has this specific type of DRM. These people are not hoping for SH5 to fail, they are hoping for Ubi to decide to get rid of this form of DRM.

Others on this forum have expressed desires, opinions, concerns, and fears concerning SH5, but I have not read any comments where anyone is wishing SH5 were to fail. In fact, many of us are worried that SH5 may fail and we are not happy with it.

[Ships-R-Us]

Originally Posted by dcb

This is really a nasty accusation, which deserves some proof. Otherwise, it's just wrong and bad taste.

I don't mince words. If I have something to say about a subject, I say it. I'm not out here to win friends or look for support. I do not sit quietly passive in a corner with the heard for fear of repercussions. I may be controversial, but if you all take off the blinders and acknowledge the truth you will come to the same conservative viewpoint.

[HundertzehnGustav]

so, your conservative viewpoint is the viewpoint of one who took off the blinders, and can see some sort of "pure truth"?

That right?

Makes me laugh...

[BarjackU977]

It's true that money is needed to assure a future to the game.

Yet, is that a reason to give money, whatever Ubi comes up with? I don't think so.

I don't believe it's a lack of "tolerance" from me. I purchased SH2, SH3, SH4 + its expansion as from day 1. But I don't find it healthy to always buy, whatever happens, just for the hope of more hypothetical games of quality, and of the genre you want (simulation? More casual? etc) in the future. That would be sending a wrong message, I think.

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Yep. And if not enough customers buy what they are offering, they won't make it again.

One reason why SH5 is being aimed at the casual gamer is SH4 did not sell well enough. And how many here refused to buy SH4? Enough, obviously. Granted, SH4 was unfinished, but wait till you see SH6. It will be 100% unfinished.

[Ships-R-Us]

Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

so, your conservative viewpoint is the viewpoint of one who took off the blinders, and can see some sort of "pure truth"?

That right?

Makes me laugh...

I can see that there are people respectfully disagreeing with me. Fine. However everyone that has posted here SHOULD KNOW and BELIEVE that more pirated copys get played than legal copys. Having said that, how can one believe that Subsim contains more saints than elsewhere? The probability that there are more than 40% virgins here is a fairy tale.

[BarjackU977]

What are your sources to come up with such statistics?

It's an opinion, since you said "I believe", but still, it must come from somewhere. If not, well, you know what it's worth.

EDIT you answered earlier:
I stated my belief based on true marketing statistics, and hearsay, and opinion. It is now time for you to go have whatever you drink early morning down under.

True market statistics (any link, so we can check how they came up with those figures?)? I doubt that there are such "true" market statistics. But let's imagine there are such ones.
Here is my own opinion: I believe people here are, in average, fans of the genre, much more dedicated than the average player, and true supporters. Then I wouldn't risk to make a link between a general figure, and the situation with the players here on this forum. But there weren't any study to back either your opinion or mine with figures.

Originally Posted by Ships-R-Us

Speaking of pirates; I believe more than 65% of members on this forum play with pirated game copys.

[evan82]

Maybe this game is adressed to a little different group of players than we are:
- Wow dad, what this is?
- This is german U-Boat son.
- Woooow!
Looks like our impact on this game is marginal and UBI don't care so much about this what peoples say on this forum today, so where is the problem?

[JScones]

Originally Posted by Ships-R-Us

I don't mince words. If I have something to say about a subject, I say it. I'm not out here to win friends or look for support. I do not sit quietly passive in a corner with the heard for fear of repercussions. I may be controversial, but if you all take off the blinders and acknowledge the truth you will come to the same conservative viewpoint.

Well, of course, while ever you quote hearsay, opinion and arbitrary figures plucked from the air as FACT, you're going to cop flack. Provide some concrete evidence, figures, Subsim user statistics, and then perhaps your argument may have credibility. Otherwise, FAIL!

BTW, 78.732% of Subsim members agree with me on this.

[Ragtag]

Originally Posted by Ships-R-Us

I can see that there are people respectfully disagreeing with me. Fine. However everyone that has posted here SHOULD KNOW and BELIEVE that more pirated copys get played than legal copys. Having said that, how can one believe that Subsim contains more saints than elsewhere? The probability that there are more than 40% virgins here is a fairy tale.

I usually don't do this but sir... please apply brain!