The gawd-almighty merged DRM in Silent Hunter V thread

[onelifecrisis]

Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

@ OLC...

you are asking permission over and over again.

HOW is not important. The fact that you have to "ask permission/prove ownership" is the bad thing.
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if they chose to deny access for whatever reason... you do not <hat you paid for.

You wanna be treated like a potential thief? have it your way.

I never said I wanted OSP. If they take it out I'll be fine with that.

But to answer your point I have to ask you why exactly is it a bad thing? Broken analogies aside, exactly how is this completely transparent check a big problem for me? Yes, if the servers don't work at all then that's a problem, but I'm not a big enough muppet to buy the game straight away without first waiting to see whether the service works for the muppets who do. If the servers work for a while and then stop? And if Ubisoft don't release the promised patch? And if I still want to play SH5 when that happens? Well that's a lot of ifs, but if that did happen I'd use a "fixed" executable file. Problem solved.

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Cough cough... er.. Data Mining... ahem...

Carry on

Everyone has their own line when it comes to privacy of data. Personally I don't mind if Ubisoft knows how many hours I spent torpedoing merchants on Tuesday.

[jokerl90]

I apologize if this has been brought up somewhere else.
With the worlds economy as it is, who can really say they will be able to afford to pay for internet access in 6-mo, a year?
If it comes to paying the electric bill or paying a bill for internet access, I think the electric bill would win out.
Without this DRM you could still play, with it, your just screwed.

[razark]

Originally Posted by jokerl90

I apologize if this has been brought up somewhere else.
With the worlds economy as it is, who can really say they will be able to afford to pay for internet access in 6-mo, a year?
If it comes to paying the electric bill or paying a bill for internet access, I think the electric bill would win out.
Without this DRM you could still play, with it, your just screwed.

If you don't pay the electric bill, the internet connection and computer aren't going to be very useful anyway.

[Adriatico]

Originally Posted by jokerl90

I apologize if this has been brought up somewhere else.
With the worlds economy as it is, who can really say they will be able to afford to pay for internet access in 6-mo, a year?
If it comes to paying the electric bill or paying a bill for internet access, I think the electric bill would win out.

That's why people buy things - to have them.
...not to share (rent) them on internet connection.

[Brag]

Originally Posted by jokerl90

I apologize if this has been brought up somewhere else.
With the worlds economy as it is, who can really say they will be able to afford to pay for internet access in 6-mo, a year?
If it comes to paying the electric bill or paying a bill for internet access, I think the electric bill would win out.
Without this DRM you could still play, with it, your just screwed.

Yet another reason to dump DRM

[GREY WOLF 3]

Originally Posted by Letum

Yup, OLC is right.

If you buy anything in the UK and have any reason not to be happy with
it, you can return it for a refund; whatever the end user agreement is.

There will be alot of returns.if drm is like our postal service.

[onelifecrisis]

Originally Posted by razark

So, as long as it's not directly there reminding you every minute, then it doesn't really exist?

I didn't say it doesn't exist. I said it doesn't bother me.

Originally Posted by razark

I shouldn't have to hope something is going to work when I buy it. I may buy a defective product once in a while, but I should not expect there to be a 50/50 chance it will be defective. I'd be running back and forth to the store quite a lot.

I couldn't agree more. I still don't see what it has to do with the broken analogies we were discussing.

[Bilge_Rat]

I certainly do not want to defend Ubisoft since I do not see the need for such a system on a niche game like a subsim, but I presume they have done their homework on how this will work.

As I see it, best case scenario, it works as painlessly as STEAM, which I presume is what they are aiming for to not only: a) authenticate installs, but also b) sell games over the internet.

Secondly, no matter what Ubisoft is saying now, they will have to include some sort of offline playing mode, like STEAM. They will soon realize that requiring players to be connected 100% of the time is impractical.

Worst case scenario, the system is a hopeless nightmare and Ubisoft will release a patch in a few months (after most of the sales have been made) to allow the game to be played offline. They will not leave players in a lurch since that would open Ubisoft up to a class action suit.

[piri_reis]

Originally Posted by jokerl90

I apologize if this has been brought up somewhere else.
With the worlds economy as it is, who can really say they will be able to afford to pay for internet access in 6-mo, a year?
If it comes to paying the electric bill or paying a bill for internet access, I think the electric bill would win out.
Without this DRM you could still play, with it, your just screwed.

Oh man, now some will say, why are you playing SH when you have to work to 24/7 for paying bills...
See some people think the whole world is just like their neighborhood, everybody is connected, cheap, 100% reliable DSL/Cable connection, cheap electricity, life is swell... They need take a peek in world news and realize not everybody is living the same life.

[Radioshow]

Originally Posted by Darkreaver1980

What is up with you people?

you will buy the game, come home and play it right away.

why is everyone acting like the world is going to end? lol

Dont tell me that you arent connected 24 hours per day :P

I guess you don't know anyone in Australia or anyone who isn't rich.
Many internet providers give you a very limited amount of GB's to download.
Now your SH5 is sucking that too and when your limit is up, your capped and no joy. So now you have to wait the rest of the month for your bandwidth to reset so you can play? A single player game?

Its not having a connection we're worried about its being connected the WHOLE time. A great many people still have slow or limited connections, not everyone has a perfect 24hr connection or unlimited bandwidth which this game WILL apparently require.

[Adriatico]

Ubi will very soon face a problem - of distributors - having a problem with retailers - having a problem with buyers who want their money back.

Of course, nobody will get money back - but also nobody will order another quantity of SH5.

[onelifecrisis]

Originally Posted by Letum

I disagree because the point that is being made is not that DRM is a
hassle. That is not the argument the analogy is making.
It is about having to prove ones innocence every time you wish to use
something you paid for, however hassle free and it's about needing
permission to use something you "own".

Yeah, as I said I do get what your point is. At least I think I do. You see OSP as being guilty until proven innocent. You object to it on principle strongly enough that even if it works perfectly you'll have no part of it. But you and others keep making that point with analogies that are not analogous (sp?). That's what keeps doing my head in. That's what I commented on - the analogies, not the point behind them.

[609_Avatar]

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

Yeah, as I said I do get what your point is. At least I think I do. You see OSP as being guilty until proven innocent. You object to it on principle strongly enough that even if it works perfectly you'll have no part of it. But you and others keep making that point with analogies that are not analogous. That's what keeps doing my head in. That's what I commented on - the analogies, not the point behind them.

Don't worry, some of us get your point/position.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

Yeah, as I said I do get what your point is. At least I think I do. You see OSP as being guilty until proven innocent. You object to it on principle strongly enough that even if it works perfectly you'll have no part of it. But you and others keep making that point with analogies that are not analogous (sp?). That's what keeps doing my head in. That's what I commented on - the analogies, not the point behind them.

The important part of the analogy is the same. The part the makes the point.
Of course the rest of the analogy is different. If it wasn't, it wouldn't be an
analogy; it would just be a retelling.

[Adriatico]

Customers dignity aside:
OLC would you say the same things - if you were citisen of some outskirt of east-european town - with ADSL that drops 5-7 times per day... i.e. being black-listed by Ubi as not European enough ?