The gawd-almighty merged DRM in Silent Hunter V thread

[onelifecrisis]

Originally Posted by Letum

I disagree because the point that is being made is not that DRM is a
hassle. That is not the argument the analogy is making.
It is about having to prove ones innocence every time you wish to use
something you paid for, however hassle free and it's about needing
permission to use something you "own".

Yeah, as I said I do get what your point is. At least I think I do. You see OSP as being guilty until proven innocent. You object to it on principle strongly enough that even if it works perfectly you'll have no part of it. But you and others keep making that point with analogies that are not analogous (sp?). That's what keeps doing my head in. That's what I commented on - the analogies, not the point behind them.

[609_Avatar]

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

Yeah, as I said I do get what your point is. At least I think I do. You see OSP as being guilty until proven innocent. You object to it on principle strongly enough that even if it works perfectly you'll have no part of it. But you and others keep making that point with analogies that are not analogous. That's what keeps doing my head in. That's what I commented on - the analogies, not the point behind them.

Don't worry, some of us get your point/position.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

Yeah, as I said I do get what your point is. At least I think I do. You see OSP as being guilty until proven innocent. You object to it on principle strongly enough that even if it works perfectly you'll have no part of it. But you and others keep making that point with analogies that are not analogous (sp?). That's what keeps doing my head in. That's what I commented on - the analogies, not the point behind them.

The important part of the analogy is the same. The part the makes the point.
Of course the rest of the analogy is different. If it wasn't, it wouldn't be an
analogy; it would just be a retelling.

[Adriatico]

Customers dignity aside:
OLC would you say the same things - if you were citisen of some outskirt of east-european town - with ADSL that drops 5-7 times per day... i.e. being black-listed by Ubi as not European enough ?

[onelifecrisis]

Originally Posted by Adriatico

Customers dignity aside:
OLC would you say the same things - if you were citisen of some outskirt of east-european town - with ADSL that drops 5-7 times per day... i.e. being black-listed by Ubi as not European enough ?

I wouldn't be bitching. I'm currently "blacklisted" by Aston Martin as not rich enough to own one of their cars. I don't complain about it, even though I'd like one.

On second thoughts maybe I would bitch, just to vent my frustration. Doesn't mean I'd have a valid point. Just means I'd be pissed at not being able to have something I want.

By the way, I used to live alone in an area that had ****ty internet. I moved house for the sole purpose of obtaining a good internet connection. That was years ago.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

I wouldn't be bitching. I'm currently "blacklisted" by Aston Martin as not rich enough to own one of their cars. I don't complain about it, even though I'd like one.

And you complained about my analogies!

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Originally Posted by Letum

And you complained about my analogies!

Touche!

[HundertzehnGustav]

Boh Wulfmann in da houz



Nice to see ya Wulfmann!

[Wulfmann]

Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

Boh Wulfmann in da houz



Nice to see ya Wulfmann!

How have you been Bob, weren't you in Luxembourg for a time??
Did you get married or have you proven smarter than I

I redid the old BoB missions for Foute Man in ETO because of all the help he was back in 04 painting like crazy but that was my final debt to that sim. They did a great job on the airfields.

My Logitech steering wheel (accelerator actually) broke so no more F1 racing until I get a new one so SH3 GWX3 has been where i still hang out.

Now it looks like I will not do SH5 unless UBI gets to an ER and fixes their brain clot!

Wulfmann

[Radioshow]

Don't forget about all the people with high speed connections but very limited bandwidth. Most people I know have 5-25GB limits and that's all they can afford or are offered in the plan(mine is 90GB, $60 mo.). Most of my Aussie clan mates go through their limit in less than a month.
How do you play SH5 now with your dial up or equivalent connection?
No bandwidth=no game. And this is a single player game.
I live in Canada where almost everywhere you can get good internet. My Bell DSL is fast and never down yet. But..... The majority of people online here are using cheaper plans with limited bandwidth due to cost.
It's not hard to use up alot of bandwidth these days.

Again its not having to connect that is the problem, its being connected the WHOLE time and the consequences of that. Put in an offline mode and that should be sufficient. I am not prepared to trust UBI servers yet.
You cannot compare WOW servers to UBI. Apples and Oranges. UBI has a history of bad servers and worse customer support and not much experience.

[Heretic]

How is having an unreliable internet connection any different from not meeting the minimum system requirements? If you buy a game that plainly says you need a Wazoo 3000 video card or better to play when you only have the Whizbang 50, do you rant and rave and demand the company reduce the system requirements?

Other DRM issues aside, if the system requirements say you need a constant internet connection and you don't have that, you don't meet the system requirements.

[Adriatico]

OLC, as you would say - analogy is not appropriate. (A.M.)

We were all the same bunch of fanatics usinig and moding SH series.
And then Ubi cames along with knife...

Barking at Aston Martin is bitching.

After years of Subsim membership I feel just normal to reply to posts and express the feelings.

If You have bought two times Aston Martin cars (driving for a years...) and supporting the brand on web... you would have every right to start complaining: if you have to start and park your car "online" for the next model.