The gawd-almighty merged DRM in Silent Hunter V thread

[Letum]

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

I wouldn't be bitching. I'm currently "blacklisted" by Aston Martin as not rich enough to own one of their cars. I don't complain about it, even though I'd like one.

And you complained about my analogies!

[609_Avatar]

Originally Posted by Letum

And you complained about my analogies!

Touche!

[HundertzehnGustav]

Boh Wulfmann in da houz



Nice to see ya Wulfmann!

[Wulfmann]

Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

Boh Wulfmann in da houz



Nice to see ya Wulfmann!

How have you been Bob, weren't you in Luxembourg for a time??
Did you get married or have you proven smarter than I

I redid the old BoB missions for Foute Man in ETO because of all the help he was back in 04 painting like crazy but that was my final debt to that sim. They did a great job on the airfields.

My Logitech steering wheel (accelerator actually) broke so no more F1 racing until I get a new one so SH3 GWX3 has been where i still hang out.

Now it looks like I will not do SH5 unless UBI gets to an ER and fixes their brain clot!

Wulfmann

[Wulfmann]

OK, just saw you are still in Lux, good thing I am the kapitain and not on watch in U-51

Wulfmann

[HundertzehnGustav]

Yea me the same...
Hung around CFS3 untill i did a 25 Gigs install of Stock+Maw+extra Mods, then went the IL-2 route, then their Mods.
in paralel discovered SHIII, and during a six months without a Job (2005) went hunting like mad.

Life is better now, except for
-Cloudcomputing,
-a lack of sex
-that stinkin DRM that pops up everywhere.

And no, i aint planning to get married. Maybe i will marry a Fw-190 for FSX sometime, or a 110...

Always appreciated your presence, and glad to meet you here, back in the thick of the Battle.

[Radioshow]

Don't forget about all the people with high speed connections but very limited bandwidth. Most people I know have 5-25GB limits and that's all they can afford or are offered in the plan(mine is 90GB, $60 mo.). Most of my Aussie clan mates go through their limit in less than a month.
How do you play SH5 now with your dial up or equivalent connection?
No bandwidth=no game. And this is a single player game.
I live in Canada where almost everywhere you can get good internet. My Bell DSL is fast and never down yet. But..... The majority of people online here are using cheaper plans with limited bandwidth due to cost.
It's not hard to use up alot of bandwidth these days.

Again its not having to connect that is the problem, its being connected the WHOLE time and the consequences of that. Put in an offline mode and that should be sufficient. I am not prepared to trust UBI servers yet.
You cannot compare WOW servers to UBI. Apples and Oranges. UBI has a history of bad servers and worse customer support and not much experience.

[Heretic]

How is having an unreliable internet connection any different from not meeting the minimum system requirements? If you buy a game that plainly says you need a Wazoo 3000 video card or better to play when you only have the Whizbang 50, do you rant and rave and demand the company reduce the system requirements?

Other DRM issues aside, if the system requirements say you need a constant internet connection and you don't have that, you don't meet the system requirements.

[Seafireliv]

Originally Posted by Heretic

How is having an unreliable internet connection any different from not meeting the minimum system requirements? If you buy a game that plainly says you need a Wazoo 3000 video card or better to play when you only have the Whizbang 50, do you rant and rave and demand the company reduce the system requirements?

Other DRM issues aside, if the system requirements say you need a constant internet connection and you don't have that, you don't meet the system requirements.

Sometimes I really wonder where these people get their logic from.

A PC system requirement to run a game is what`s necessarry to run the game. You often get a Minimum and optimum spec to help most everyone play the game.

It is NOT necessary to be online 24\7. UBI have just FORCED it on us. If UBI were fair they would have a Minimum spec of `No Online` mode.

[Nordmann]

Originally Posted by Heretic

How is having an unreliable internet connection any different from not meeting the minimum system requirements? If you buy a game that plainly says you need a Wazoo 3000 video card or better to play when you only have the Whizbang 50, do you rant and rave and demand the company reduce the system requirements?

Other DRM issues aside, if the system requirements say you need a constant internet connection and you don't have that, you don't meet the system requirements.

It's not the lack of a net connection, it's the fact that one should not be required in the first place. Hell, it wouldn't be as bad if it did one check on launch, then left you alone. If your net goes down while the game is running, it's no big deal unless you exit the game, but the way they have gone about it, even the slightest hiccup will pause the game and ruin your day. Great stuff Ubi!

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by Heretic

How is having an unreliable internet connection any different from not meeting the minimum system requirements? If you buy a game that plainly says you need a Wazoo 3000 video card or better to play when you only have the Whizbang 50, do you rant and rave and demand the company reduce the system requirements?

Other DRM issues aside, if the system requirements say you need a constant internet connection and you don't have that, you don't meet the system requirements.

Well, let's say that you WANT to play the game, so you check the requirements. Ah! A Wazoo 3000, no problem, I'll get one of those. So you ring up the hardware supplier and they say 'Oh no, we don't supply Wazoo 3000 cards to where you live, as there's not enough demand and the trucks would get all dirty travelling over there as you live a long way from the city.' So you REALLY insist that you absolutely must have a Wazoo 3000 card and they say 'Oh OK then, we'll deliver a Wazoo 3000 card to you, but it will cost $25,000 just because you live quite a way from the city and the truck will get all muddy and cleaning the spokes is quite fiddly.'

At this point you're quite concerned, so you ask 'What exactly is a Wazoo 3000 card and what does it do for the game?' . 'Oh,' they say, 'it lets you save your game. The game uses it like a hard disk basically.'. 'But I have a hard disk already'. 'Yeah but you need a Wazoo 3000 as well, to do the same thing.'

That's the basic difference - You need a graphics card, to do the graphics. If your graphics card was faulty or intermittant, you'd get one that did work all the time. The basic problem here is some people cannot get a 100% reliable internet connection, yet still want to play the game. They can't though. Not being able to afford the hardware minimum requirements is a completely different issue to not being able to get the minimum requirements for reason that are outside of your control. Well, OK, not entirely outside of your control. You could always sell your house and move... but just to play SH5? That would be strange.

I can see that a lot of the people arguing for oppressive DRM are saying 'I'm alright', so I guess some people are lacking in empathy.

I myself have a connection that, as far as I know, is usually up. I don't think playing SH5 will be a problem for me. It does not stop me however saying that the DRM system in use is very unfair to those that want to play, but won't be able to and I don't see it as being in Ubi's interests to limit the people that can legitimately play.

I guess we'll truly see if this style of DRM has completely failed, if the number of pirated versions of Ubisoft's titles to legitimate versionsincreases. Yes, it will be pirated.