Deceased Crew Members / How will crew deaths be simulated? (threads merged)

[Pacific_Ace]

"in SH3/4 we drive for weeks on end with a "red" dead crewman in a bunk."

I thought I remembered a burial at sea option if you clicked on dead crew in SH3? Or perhaps I am remembering AotD?

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Pacific_Ace

"in SH3/4 we drive for weeks on end with a "red" dead crewman in a bunk."

I thought I remembered a burial at sea option if you clicked on dead crew in SH3? Or perhaps I am remembering AotD?

yes but he just vanishes.

would be nice to witness some sort of fanfare... anything.

also when the actual death occurs in SH3... the 3d rendering of the crewman just vanishes into thin air.

would be nice to see them slump at their stations etc. (nice in the way of eye candy, not nice in the way if their demise)

[Sky999]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

yes but he just vanishes.

would be nice to witness some sort of fanfare... anything.

also when the actual death occurs in SH3... the 3d rendering of the crewman just vanishes into thin air.

would be nice to see them slump at their stations etc. (nice in the way of eye candy, not nice in the way if their demise)

BINGO, give this man a cigar!

I'm talking full frontal seeing them die, we are in the control room during an attack, suddenly a shell rips though and a crew member next to you gets thrown to the floor dead. To compromise I'm willing to accept blood and gore is not needed If it runs the risk of raising the game rating.

That combined with the new FPS would make this game insanely immersive.

Without it there would be a lack of immersion with your crew, we all get attached to certain crew members, especially those who have made it through so many patrols, when so many others may have not come back. To have the game tell you that the guy you have grown attached to as your faithful navigator has just vanished into thin air, is a slap in the face to the immersion the player would have found himself in prior to this.

Maybe I'm an old softy but I have to admit I do get attached and I enjoy promoting my men, knowing who's best at what etc...

Again to have an old sea dog who you have promoted through the ranks, trained and have served with since your first patrol to suddenly just disappear with no mention, or regard for his death is also a slap in the face. I don't mind him dying, but I want there to be some kind of memorial or something. They go to all the effort of animating the crew, then we go to all the effort of promoting then and upgrading their skills, then its just, 'sorry he died, you didn't see it, but it happened... carry on'.

I have been rude and havn't acknowledged a previous poster who mentioned that the ability to see deaths was already implemented in SH4.
If this is true then I am hopeful they will carry it on to SH5, and I hope these deaths were not just viewable on the deck, I hope you could see men die inside the sub as well.

In the end we'll all have to wait and see what the devs implement. It's probably too late in the development for them to change it, but I hope they read this thread and take people's opinions onboard.

[GoldenRivet]

of course its not that we want to see our men die.

its just that - in the event that they do die during patrol... its incredibly detracting from the sense of realism for them to just suddenly be GONE without a trace.

imagine all the call of duty games - if the soldier next to you takes a hit - he doesnt just go *POOF* into thin air.

[gordonmull]

Flipping heck folks. This is about WAR. People die.

From this and another similar thread, some people seem to think that you sail about launching bunches of flowers at ships, there's an explosion of petals and everybody gets whisked away in an invisible silver cloud to a paradise.

A u-boat simulator should simulate war. If I go on a war patrol I expect my men may get wounded or killed, although I hope they will not and I will work hard to make sure they stay healthy. The reality is that in this theatre of war, as most of us know, three quarters of the crews did not return. I doubt it was pleasant for them to see their comrades and friends having bits blown off them and getting washed overboard and countless other horrors.

Death should be in the game. It's the whole purpose of being at war. You're out to kill the enemy or be killed.

And I am not an eye candy, X-box junkie that needs gore .(Currently about to start replaying Elite FYI ). Still I'd also say it's not a MAJOR fault if a bit of 'Oh hell Frehnsenn just got his head removed by shrapnel' was missed out. I just think it would be more immersive with it in.

Phew!! Rant over!

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by gordonmull

Flipping heck

[irish1958]

I'll tell you this: if that idiot watch officer doesn't get his ass out of the rack and get up on deck when the boat surfaces, we won't have to simulate his demise.

[Lord Justice]

here here, a theatre of war.

[Task Force]

I always thought that that was stupid, that even in SH4 crew didnt actualy have a death animation, just a injured one...

I see nothing rong with death animations... hundreds of other games have them... Im sure it could be optional for those who dont want it...

[Elder-Pirate]

This may not be for the "faint of heart" fans here.

Although this is not a death scene of Sgt. Baker from "Brothers in Arms-Hell's Highway", I would not mind seeing this of one of my fellow ship mates when he got too close to a shell/shrapnel. Of course for the squeamish of this thread maybe there could be an option for blood/no blood.



If any of you have played this then you have seen blood and all sorts of body parts laying around but then again that's war.

Sure glad I didn't tell my Skipper of the USS Sarsfield EDD 837 to not have any blood & gore while on our cruise.


EDIT: BTW guess whom the Publisher was for this one?

You got it............UbiSoft.

[JScones]

Originally Posted by gordonmull

From this and another similar thread, some people seem to think that you sail about launching bunches of flowers at ships, there's an explosion of petals and everybody gets whisked away in an invisible silver cloud to a paradise.

Oh man, that is priceless.

[DarkFish]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

imagine all the call of duty games - if the soldier next to you takes a hit - he doesnt just go *POOF* into thin air.

nope, in CoD:WaW you can shoot their limbs off, burn them alive using your flamethrower or stab a bayonette straight through their hearts. And that all with extensively modeled death anims

Originally Posted by Task Force

I always thought that that was stupid, that even in SH4 crew didnt actualy have a death animation, just a injured one...

hmm, i recall seing crewmembers lying dead on the deck
or is all that CoD:WaW playing screwing up my memory now already?

[Task Force]

Originally Posted by DarkFish

nope, in CoD:WaW you can shoot their limbs off, burn them alive using your flamethrower or stab a bayonette straight through their hearts. And that all with extensively modeled death anims
hmm, i recall seing crewmembers lying dead on the deck
or is all that CoD:WaW playing screwing up my memory now already?

no, just a injured... every fiew seconds they would act like they are looseing there balance...

[Pacific_Ace]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

yes but he just vanishes.

would be nice to witness some sort of fanfare... anything.

also when the actual death occurs in SH3... the 3d rendering of the crewman just vanishes into thin air.

would be nice to see them slump at their stations etc. (nice in the way of eye candy, not nice in the way if their demise)

Ahh ok. It's interesting to me how many people take the way crew deaths are to be handled very seriously and I have to admit its something Ive never thought much on.

@ Gordonmull: This " From this and another similar thread, some people seem to think that you sail about launching bunches of flowers at ships, there's an explosion of petals and everybody gets whisked away in an invisible silver cloud to a paradise." is totally brilliant!

[Lord Justice]

Originally Posted by Pacific_Ace

Ahh ok. It's interesting to me how many people take the way crew deaths are to be handled very seriously and I have to admit its something Ive never thought much on.

A fine volley of words, when you kill a man it costs nothing to be polite, after all we captains indeed have thier blood on our hands, poor fellow.