Deceased Crew Members / How will crew deaths be simulated? (threads merged)

[Pacific_Ace]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

yes but he just vanishes.

would be nice to witness some sort of fanfare... anything.

also when the actual death occurs in SH3... the 3d rendering of the crewman just vanishes into thin air.

would be nice to see them slump at their stations etc. (nice in the way of eye candy, not nice in the way if their demise)

Ahh ok. It's interesting to me how many people take the way crew deaths are to be handled very seriously and I have to admit its something Ive never thought much on.

@ Gordonmull: This " From this and another similar thread, some people seem to think that you sail about launching bunches of flowers at ships, there's an explosion of petals and everybody gets whisked away in an invisible silver cloud to a paradise." is totally brilliant!

[Lord Justice]

Originally Posted by Pacific_Ace

Ahh ok. It's interesting to me how many people take the way crew deaths are to be handled very seriously and I have to admit its something Ive never thought much on.

A fine volley of words, when you kill a man it costs nothing to be polite, after all we captains indeed have thier blood on our hands, poor fellow.

[PL_Andrev]

The captain is a member of the uboat crew.
Can the captain (player) be vulnerable to injury / death from artillery fire, deck fire, explosions of depth charges?

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Antar

The captain is a member of the uboat crew.
Can the captain (player) be vulnerable to injury / death from artillery fire, deck fire, explosions of depth charges?

In all previous versions of SH he was impervious to enemy fire...

It would be nice to see that changed in SH5, but it's not something im counting on, nor is it something i would consider a "deal breaker" if this feature was not included.

[Lord Justice]

Originally Posted by Antar

The captain is a member of the uboat crew.
Can the captain (player) be vulnerable to injury / death from artillery fire, deck fire, explosions of depth charges?

Off the record, then quite simply i fear the sim would reach a calamitous end. You do present a fair question, that said would the devs agree to such an absurd halt to all thier work? For the record, unfortunately i cannot give a definitive answer, sorry.

[gordonmull]

Originally Posted by Antar

The captain is a member of the uboat crew.
Can the captain (player) be vulnerable to injury / death from artillery fire, deck fire, explosions of depth charges?

It would make sense. I hope the devs will include something like this because it's facet of realism, although I don't see it happening. I do reckon it could be pretty frustrating sometimes though e.g. a 2 year career ended by a stray bullet.

Incidentally does anyone know if many RL kaleuns were KIA without the loss of their boat?

[GoldenRivet]

It did happen though however rare.

found this one:

http://www.uboat.net/men/muetzelburg.htm

There was also the commander who killed himself during patrol aboard U-505.

But in my brief research i had trouble finding a large number of Kaleuns who died at sea without the loss of the boat.

as an option in SH5... it would be something that would be a one in a million thing to have happen... but it might serve to make players more cautious in surfacing next to a DD to duke it out with guns.

[gordonmull]

Unlucky. Not even in combat.

I agree - in game it would certainly make you think twice after it happened once!

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

But in my brief research i had trouble finding a large number of Kaleuns who died at sea without the loss of the boat.

Commander casualties without the boat being lost:

• Radke of U-657 was killed during training
• Rasch of U-106 was wounded in '42
• Muetzelburg was killed as you mentioned
• Cremer of U-333 was wounded in '42
• Neubert of U-167 was wounded in '43
• Saar of U-957 was killed
• Reeder of U-214 was wounded in '43
• Zetzsche of U-591 was wounded in '43
• Lauzemis of U-68 was wounded in '43
• Hartmann of U-441 was wounded in '43 (along with every other officer)
• Markworth of U-66 was wounded in '43
• Kluth of U-377 was wounded in '43
• Techand of U-731 was wounded in '43
• Krueger of U-631 broke his hand in '43
• Zschech of U-505 killed himself
• Heinrich of U-960 was wounded in '44
• Leu of U-921 was killed doing the same thing as Howard Gilmore on the U.S. side....saved his boat by getting everyone down the hatch but was too wounded to make it down himself and so told them to "take her down" without him.
• von Roithberg of U-989 was wounded in '44
• Heinrich of U-299 was wounded in '44
• Riekeberg of U-637 killed himself after being wounded in '45
• Bungards of U-3012 was wounded and later died during training
• Wachter of U-2503 was killed in '45

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Commander casualties without the boat being lost:

• Radke of U-657 was killed during training
• Rasch of U-106 was wounded in '42
• Muetzelburg was killed as you mentioned
• Cremer of U-333 was wounded in '42
• Neubert of U-167 was wounded in '43
• Saar of U-957 was killed
• Reeder of U-214 was wounded in '43
• Zetzsche of U-591 was wounded in '43
• Lauzemis of U-68 was wounded in '43
• Hartmann of U-441 was wounded in '43 (along with every other officer)
• Markworth of U-66 was wounded in '43
• Kluth of U-377 was wounded in '43
• Techand of U-731 was wounded in '43
• Krueger of U-631 broke his hand in '43
• Zschech of U-505 killed himself
• Heinrich of U-960 was wounded in '44
• Leu of U-921 was killed doing the same thing as Howard Gilmore on the U.S. side....saved his boat by getting everyone down the hatch but was too wounded to make it down himself and so told them to "take her down" without him.
• von Roithberg of U-989 was wounded in '44
• Heinrich of U-299 was wounded in '44
• Riekeberg of U-637 killed himself after being wounded in '45
• Bungards of U-3012 was wounded and later died during training
• Wachter of U-2503 was killed in '45

This list is a bit misleading... as it includes suicides, deaths by accidents some of which occurred while ashore or during training activities and injuries while at sea.

The criteria as I understand it to be is:

Commander of the boat Died or was killed at sea on a combat mission leaving the rest of the crew to return to base on their own (with an acting commander)

That list should look more like this IMHO

• Muetzelburg was killed as you mentioned
• Saar of U-957 was killed
• Zschech of U-505 killed himself
• Leu of U-921 was killed doing the same thing as Howard Gilmore on the U.S. side....saved his boat by getting everyone down the hatch but was too wounded to make it down himself and so told them to "take her down" without him.
• Riekeberg of U-637 killed himself after being wounded in '45
• Wachter of U-2503 was killed in '45