[WIP] Officer's Quarters Interior Project

[Captain America]

@Hitman- Thank you for your suggestion. It’s a good idea but unfortunately it will not work for us. To modify the original control room mesh in order to accommodate both compartments would mean new uvmaps and new lightmaps which would totally mess up the existing lighting and shadows already implemented. Even if this wasn’t an issue I would still have problems because just about all of the models in my project were created from scratch.

@Ducimus- The crew model issue with marine.dat was a good suggestion so I checked it out with the hopes of maybe uncovering my problem. Unfortunately after further inspection it appears to be a different problem. I believe that anomaly you are seeing on the crew model is an issue with the bump map not displaying properly.

Out of curiosity I opened up both versions (1.4 & 1.5) of marine.dat in S3D. Like LukeFF stated, this problem only occurs with the short sleeve shirt (bust_m01). In S3D they appeared identical…the node structure and info inside matched. I even exported both models into 3ds max and found zero differences between the meshes and material info.

Once I cracked open the hex editor though it was a different story. When you compare both .dat files there are indeed differences. Here’s a screenshot highlighting the differences when comparing both files of the node-bust_m01:


The green color text depicts the additional info. The red color text depicts the differences between the two.

You’ll see that the 1.4 version has some extra info in there. It contains text that refers to 2 map #’s, texture names and the word bump. This is not my area of expertise but I’ll guess and say that it has to do with extra model/material info pertaining to the bump map?

Just to make sure I exported both models from S3D and then opened up the files in a hex editor. They were identical…is it safe to assume that S3D is not looking at this “extra data” ? I also found a huge chuck of data just before the bust_m01 node. I leave it up to skwas or others more knowledgeable in this area to decipher it.

Anyway, for fun I took the extra data from the 1.4 file and transferred it to the 1.5 one and guess what….it fixed the problem. For those interested I took a screenshot showing the offset locations and the data transferred:



And here's a before and after shot:



Well look at that...the failure of one mod leads to success in another.

Ducimus, you should be happy now since I know you hated this issue with a passion.

Here's a link to the vanilla version (1.5) of marine.dat with the fix included. If you need me to apply the changes to another file just let me know.

Download Link:
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?k3utmjnzdzm

[Hitman]

@Hitman- Thank you for your suggestion. It’s a good idea but unfortunately it will not work for us. To modify the original control room mesh in order to accommodate both compartments would mean new uvmaps and new lightmaps which would totally mess up the existing lighting and shadows already implemented. Even if this wasn’t an issue I would still have problems because just about all of the models in my project were created from scratch.

That's sad. I would then suggest to simply let the light map out and give the proper light effect to the texture, making ut much darker. It will never be as good as having a light map, but could save the project at least. I would hate to see it stopped just because of the light maps , I can live better with officer quarters that lack light maps, that without officer's quarters at all

[Radio]

When using the Marine.dat file from above^the eyeless crew bug returns

[vickers03]

ca, thanks for your hard work.
i never noticed there was something wrong

if only we could fix the ghost effect in fog,
i thought of something like inserting a second 3d model
of the sailor with no texturing options "into" the main
sailor so that it provides some kind of background
..

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Captain America

@Ducimus- The crew model issue with marine.dat was a good suggestion so I checked it out with the hopes of maybe uncovering my problem. Unfortunately after further inspection it appears to be a different problem.

Bummer. I was kinda hoping the behavior was similar, just on a different scale. Looking for patterns of behavior is usually my methodology for finding/squashing bugs or for tuning things like the AI's sensors. Seeing a pattern, is from my own experience, getting on the road to finding a fix. At any rate, sorry the suggestion wasn't what was needed. It is cool you found what was wrong with the marine.dat file though. I'd have never have figured that one out. I was thinking about completely exporting the 1.4 version of the 3d models and importing them into the 1.5 version, replacing the existing models. Dunno if that would have worked or not.

Originally Posted by Captain America

. If you need me to apply the changes to another file just let me know.

yeah i might, but i don't want to bother you with small stuff. I have a completely different marine.dat file with various changes. I'll try changing the 3d model to the 1.4 version, if that doesn't work, ill send you the file if you really want it.

[Captain America]

Originally Posted by Hitman

That's sad. I would then suggest to simply let the light map out and give the proper light effect to the texture, making ut much darker. It will never be as good as having a light map, but could save the project at least.

The way the models are mapped to the textures would prevent this as well. See, the meshes do not have their own unique texture space. If they did, the game would require many separate textures to accommodate all of the models. Instead, multiple models share one texture. Each texture set holds many meshes and they all overlap each other. So there is no way to single out a specific mesh and apply the effect you mentioned above.

I agree with you, it would be a waste to dump this now because of the lightmaps...however, it would be a big injustice to cheese out on the most important part of the interior. You can make the best looking models but they'll still look like crap without a proper lightmap. If anyone needs proof of this just open up any interior in S3D and toggle on and off the lightmap texture in the 3D viewer.....major difference.

I have to be honest, this project has one foot in the grave right now and the other on a banana peel...but I haven't given up just yet. I'm just running low on options now. I've tried just about everything. I'm even thinking about trying witchcraft next. It really saddens me because I have spent countless hours on this project. I only wish I would have attempted the lightmaps at the beginning of this project before modeling so much of the interior.

What makes me keep trying is that I know there is a solution to this. If you look at the "torpedo room" thread over in the ATO forum you'll see around page 4 or 5 that Tomi had the similar problems like I am having...so there must be a way.

Originally Posted by Radio

When using the Marine.dat file from above^the eyeless crew bug returns

The file is for vanilla 1.5….it will have to be incorporated into the file that has the eye fix.

Originally Posted by vickers03

if only we could fix the ghost effect in fog,
i thought of something like inserting a second 3d model
of the sailor with no texturing options "into" the main
sailor so that it provides some kind of background
..

Yeah that bug is really annoying. I remember for SH3 Anvart mentioned a solution where you would add the RayTracedHalo (Halo=False) node to the model so the lights wouldn’t shine through them. Unfortunately this doesn’t work in SH4. If someone could solve this one it would be great, but from what I have read throughout the forums it seems like we are stuck with it.

Originally Posted by Ducimus

yeah i might, but i don't want to bother you with small stuff. I have a completely different marine.dat file with various changes. I'll try changing the 3d model to the 1.4 version, if that doesn't work, ill send you the file if you really want it.

I don’t think that will work because that data had to be extracted from the dat file with a hex editor; when you export the model and material from S3D that data is not present. It’s not a bother for me to do it…it literally takes 30 secs. to make the swap. Send me the file when you have a chance.

[skwasjer]

CA, could you send me the OBJ/UVW files? I don't have time for the next 2 days but I will try to have a look at it asap.

[RICH12ACE]

will this mod come out this year? we have to have it!

[donut]

If Skwasjer, can do miracle

[TopcatWA]

With the realism these mods do the game just gets better & better.
Thanks for the effort.

[TheBeast]

Originally Posted by Captain America

Well look at that...the failure of one mod leads to success in another.

Ducimus, you should be happy now since I know you hated this issue with a passion.

Here's a link to the vanilla version (1.5) of marine.dat with the fix included. If you need me to apply the changes to another file just let me know.

Download Link:
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?k3utmjnzdzm

I tried this Marine.dat and it makes the uniforms look very nice but my watch lost thier eye's and now I can't get them back even if I remove the Marine_Dat_1_5_Fixed mod.

My Current MODS:
#1 PE4 Install main
#3_PE4_c_Submarine_Stock_caustics_rolllpitch_deepe r
#4 PE4 Ship_debris_SH4_with bodies
#5_PE4_real_reflections_for_harbour_and_objects
#6 PE4_high quality bow and stern wakes (stock SH4 lower FPS)
AI-Boot-TypXXI
Small Radar Contacts Stage 1
AI Sen Toku
Webster's Real Lifeboats Fix for v1.5
Webster's New Sounds for SH4
Webster's Lite Fog v2 + 100' Underwater Visability
ROW Sound Effect v_9
RSRDC_SH15_V550_Patched1.7z
(1) RUIM v1.0 for SH4v1.5 (Hi-res)
(2) RUIM v1.0 for SH4v1.5 Enlisted Ranks add-on (Hi-res)
(3) RUIM v1.0 for SH4v1.5 Awards add-on (Hi-res)
Radio_Stations
My_MODS_for_RSRDC
TheBeastBelow_SalmonSargo_MODPak_for_SH4_v1.5
SKIN_Sargo_Stock_Cleaned
TheBeastBelow_GarTambor_MODPak_for_SH4_v1.5
SKIN_NSS_Tambor_Stock_Cleaned
TheBeastBelow_Gato_MODPak_for_SH4_v1.5
SKIN_Gato_Stock_Cleaned
TMO19_3D_Interiors
My Loading screen
Japanese merchants routes v2
JoC-Haifisch-SH4-1.0
Carotio_SH4-Seafloor2_256mb
SKIN_NSS_Balao_Stock_Cleaned
TheBeastBelow_Balao_MODPak_for_SH4_v1.5
Enviromental 4.2
Poul-Sound_for_SH4
Marine_Dat_1_5_Fixed

Any suggestions?

-TheBeast

[OneDominatus]

I couldn't get the fix to work until I read some chap's post from the mod's page that mentioned that you have to delete marine2 file before applying the fix. Hope this helps

[TheBeast]

What is the best 3D Modeling application for doing things like making new boats and or interiors?

[ichso]

I don't think there is any application specifically dedicated for this task. So you need to stick with some commonly used program.

Blender is open source and widely used, with many tutorials available and so on.

[HELLISH1]

Originally Posted by TheBeast

I tried this Marine.dat and it makes the uniforms look very nice but my watch lost thier eye's and now I can't get them back even if I remove the Marine_Dat_1_5_Fixed mod.

My Current MODS:
#1 PE4 Install main
#3_PE4_c_Submarine_Stock_caustics_rolllpitch_deepe r
#4 PE4 Ship_debris_SH4_with bodies
#5_PE4_real_reflections_for_harbour_and_objects
#6 PE4_high quality bow and stern wakes (stock SH4 lower FPS)
AI-Boot-TypXXI
Small Radar Contacts Stage 1
AI Sen Toku
Webster's Real Lifeboats Fix for v1.5
Webster's New Sounds for SH4
Webster's Lite Fog v2 + 100' Underwater Visability
ROW Sound Effect v_9
RSRDC_SH15_V550_Patched1.7z
(1) RUIM v1.0 for SH4v1.5 (Hi-res)
(2) RUIM v1.0 for SH4v1.5 Enlisted Ranks add-on (Hi-res)
(3) RUIM v1.0 for SH4v1.5 Awards add-on (Hi-res)
Radio_Stations
My_MODS_for_RSRDC
TheBeastBelow_SalmonSargo_MODPak_for_SH4_v1.5
SKIN_Sargo_Stock_Cleaned
TheBeastBelow_GarTambor_MODPak_for_SH4_v1.5
SKIN_NSS_Tambor_Stock_Cleaned
TheBeastBelow_Gato_MODPak_for_SH4_v1.5
SKIN_Gato_Stock_Cleaned
TMO19_3D_Interiors
My Loading screen
Japanese merchants routes v2
JoC-Haifisch-SH4-1.0
Carotio_SH4-Seafloor2_256mb
SKIN_NSS_Balao_Stock_Cleaned
TheBeastBelow_Balao_MODPak_for_SH4_v1.5
Enviromental 4.2
Poul-Sound_for_SH4
Marine_Dat_1_5_Fixed

Any suggestions?

-TheBeast

the eyes have an animation node that is seperate, and it also has its own 3d