dumb AI

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by troopie

but realistically I beleive it was a very rare occurence (steve?) so don't let it bother you too much!

Why you pickin' on me?

As far as I know it happened twice. Scapa Flow was almost impossible, and only happened because Admiral Doenitz planned it personally with the help of aerial photography. Following the attack the British reinforced the entrances to the harbor, and after that time any British base should be impossible to penetrate.

The other was by Werner Hartenstein in U-156. He observed the harbor at Aruba for several days before deciding it was relatively undefended and making his decision to go ahead with the attack. He sank three small tankers and attempted to set the oil field on fire but failed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Aruba
http://uboat.net/boats/successes/u156.html

Basically all the SH games make harbor-raiding much easier than it ever was in real life.

[flostt]

installing this mod makes a big difference:

IRAI (Intelligent Random AI) by TheDarkWraith
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=171973

I sometimes wish that I had not installed this (especially if you have three destroyers circling above you after an attack....) but it is a needed mod!

[Andrew82]

Originally Posted by flostt

installing this mod makes a big difference:

IRAI (Intelligent Random AI) by TheDarkWraith
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=171973

I sometimes wish that I had not installed this (especially if you have three destroyers circling above you after an attack....) but it is a needed mod!

After sinking the USS Hood in Scapa Flow during twilight I was expecting to have signed my own death sentence with al the escorts around. But the burning and slow sinking of the Hood didn't seem to bother them as none of them even started up their diesels..

Have the IRAI mod installed so don't really know why they did nothing..

[TheDarkWraith]

Originally Posted by Andrew82

After sinking the USS Hood in Scapa Flow during twilight I was expecting to have signed my own death sentence with al the escorts around. But the burning and slow sinking of the Hood didn't seem to bother them as none of them even started up their diesels..

Have the IRAI mod installed so don't really know why they did nothing..

'Docked' ships will do nothing but sit there The game will not let them move.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

'Docked' ships will do nothing but sit there The game will not let them move.

Which is accurate. A ship at in port will usually be in a steam-down condition and obtaining power from the shore. It will take hours to raise steam to a point where the ship can move. Even if the ship has steam up it will take several minutes just to weigh anchor. Here is a good discussion of the subject.
http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/8-10333.aspx

[Zky]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Which is accurate. A ship at in port will usually be in a steam-down condition and obtaining power from the shore. It will take hours to raise steam to a point where the ship can move. Even if the ship has steam up it will take several minutes just to weigh anchor. Here is a good discussion of the subject.
http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/8-10333.aspx

Makes sense!! So maybe one should not pay so much attention to that but would be nice if they started to move after a hour or so if you are still there for any reason. But I guess there is bigger problems to pay attention to still in the game.

[Commander Mysenses]

Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

'Docked' ships will do nothing but sit there The game will not let them move.

But even the patrolling ones will stick to their paths as long as you stay out of their detection zones, despite the mayhem being unleashed in plain sight.

I think I will stay away from harbour raiding, too much of a duckshoot once you get past the patrols... my suspension of disbelief won't stretch that far!

[IonicRipper]

Maybe no one was onboard?

[Sailor Steve]

Another part of the problem is that in real life you don't dodge around sub nets. They stretch clear across the harbor and have a 'door' which is pulled aside by a tug when ships need to get in or out. One way to do it in the game would have been to have the nets set deep enough that a surface ship could pass over them and a sub would have to do it on the surface.

Whatever the problems with making it work, raiding a merchant port should be difficult and dangerous. Raiding a naval base should be next to impossible.

[troopie]

Originally Posted by Commander Mysenses

I think I will stay away from harbour raiding, too much of a duckshoot once you get past the patrols... my suspension of disbelief won't stretch that far!

I gotta agree, once you get it out of your system a couple o times such a 'duckshoot' just ain't that much fun.

[THE_MASK]

These people that say its too easy . Are you playing with 100% realism , Real navigation mod , OH2 campaign , and sobers realistic underwater FX2 SH5 mod ?

[Andrew82]

Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

'Docked' ships will do nothing but sit there The game will not let them move.

Thanks TDW, that makes sense.

The IRAI mod makes the game much more challenging, thanks for all the effort you put into this!

[Kongo Otto]

Originally Posted by Andrew82

After sinking the USS Hood in Scapa Flow during twilight I was expecting to have signed my own death sentence with al the escorts around. But the burning and slow sinking of the Hood didn't seem to bother them as none of them even started up their diesels..

Have the IRAI mod installed so don't really know why they did nothing..

Well maybe the Royal Navy thaught: "Aaaaah dont mind he sank the USS Hood instead of the HMS Hood"

[Andrew82]

Originally Posted by Kongo Otto

Well maybe the Royal Navy thaught: "Aaaaah dont mind he sank the USS Hood instead of the HMS Hood"

Yeah that's what I mend, I stand corrected

[Kongo Otto]

Originally Posted by Andrew82

Yeah that's what I mend, I stand corrected

Here is more Info about the USS Hood