dumb AI

scorpiondown · 01-03-12, 10:33 AM

i was on patrol off britains coast,submerged ..3 destroyers tried getting me but eventually gave up and sailed away..i surfaced and was just offshore cruising up the coast along some bases (at night)..spotted 4 destroyers all just sitting there..took them all out with 1 torp apeice..they were spread out pretty much and they didn,t react at all when the explosions started..just sat there..it was fun hitting them but not realistic at all..is this a bug or normal??
i was gonna post a shot of my mods but guess it won,t allow me to???

troopie · 01-03-12, 10:48 AM

That's pretty standard, I've had plenty of similar experiences in stock SH3 + 4.

I guess the devs had more important problems on their hands. Wasn't really an issue in SH3, because you never really got sent into ports.

I guess raiding ports is good for a bit of daring fun, but realistically I beleive it was a very rare occurence (steve?) so don't let it bother you too much!

Sailor Steve · 01-03-12, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by troopie

but realistically I beleive it was a very rare occurence (steve?) so don't let it bother you too much!

Why you pickin' on me?

As far as I know it happened twice. Scapa Flow was almost impossible, and only happened because Admiral Doenitz planned it personally with the help of aerial photography. Following the attack the British reinforced the entrances to the harbor, and after that time any British base should be impossible to penetrate.

The other was by Werner Hartenstein in U-156. He observed the harbor at Aruba for several days before deciding it was relatively undefended and making his decision to go ahead with the attack. He sank three small tankers and attempted to set the oil field on fire but failed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Aruba
http://uboat.net/boats/successes/u156.html

Basically all the SH games make harbor-raiding much easier than it ever was in real life.

flostt · 01-03-12, 11:56 AM

installing this mod makes a big difference:

IRAI (Intelligent Random AI) by TheDarkWraith
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=171973

I sometimes wish that I had not installed this (especially if you have three destroyers circling above you after an attack....) but it is a needed mod!

Trevally. · 01-03-12, 12:01 PM

Sober made a great discovery and I think this is the fix to this issue.

He noticed a depth of water that all boat will get stuck at during their patrol waypoints (guarding harbours). This or they are docked, is what is causing this dumb DD.

I have been meaning to fix this in OHII - it will happen soon

troopie · 01-03-12, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Why you pickin' on me?

I knew you'd have the goods!

Andrew82 · 01-03-12, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flostt

installing this mod makes a big difference:

IRAI (Intelligent Random AI) by TheDarkWraith
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=171973

I sometimes wish that I had not installed this (especially if you have three destroyers circling above you after an attack....) but it is a needed mod!

After sinking the USS Hood in Scapa Flow during twilight I was expecting to have signed my own death sentence with al the escorts around. But the burning and slow sinking of the Hood didn't seem to bother them as none of them even started up their diesels..

Have the IRAI mod installed so don't really know why they did nothing..

TheDarkWraith · 01-03-12, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew82

After sinking the USS Hood in Scapa Flow during twilight I was expecting to have signed my own death sentence with al the escorts around. But the burning and slow sinking of the Hood didn't seem to bother them as none of them even started up their diesels..

Have the IRAI mod installed so don't really know why they did nothing..

'Docked' ships will do nothing but sit there

The game will not let them move.

scorpiondown · 01-03-12, 05:49 PM

Thanks flostt for that link

and Thank YOU TDW for all these great add-ons!!! gonna add this in my mod list..

soooo,,,,destroyers docked will just sit there....hmmmm,,,
sounds like Scapa Flow is a cake walk!!!!
NOW the truth is comin out!!!!

just checked and i already have that in my activated mod list!!!! Got so many in there i forget what i have!!!
those 3 circling above me were a real pain in the a$# !!!!
they seemed to only drop DC,s when they circled back on top of me,,,thought that orange marker was givin me away!!!

Sartoris · 01-03-12, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trevally.

Sober made a great discovery and I think this is the fix to this issue.

He noticed a depth of water that all boat will get stuck at during their patrol waypoints (guarding harbours). This or they are docked, is what is causing this dumb DD.

I have been meaning to fix this in OHII - it will happen soon

I hope the fix is possible, looking forward to it!

Zky · 01-03-12, 06:28 PM

Yeah I did my first raid on Scapa Flow yesterday and realized that the destroyers was just sitting there. But I was happy because I play from a week back 100% realistic and set of 4 perfect torpedoes sinking the hood and queen elizabeth (if im not mistaking) with those torpedoes and raobf after planning my attack and all from 6000m away. The hit's were maybe just 1min apart after i calculated everything for both attacks and sending them of almost simultaneously. Very happy!!

What surprised me was the 2 destroyers following me maybe for 30km as I got out of Scapa Flow with out me noticing them and then attacking me from behind in the fog and I had to replay my escape 3times just because i almost had no batteries left and could only do 1kps submerged in max 70m deep water. So they chased me anyway even if it was not the destroyers in the harbor so I got some realism.

Sailor Steve · 01-03-12, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

'Docked' ships will do nothing but sit there

The game will not let them move.

Which is accurate. A ship at in port will usually be in a steam-down condition and obtaining power from the shore. It will take hours to raise steam to a point where the ship can move. Even if the ship has steam up it will take several minutes just to weigh anchor. Here is a good discussion of the subject.
http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/8-10333.aspx

Zky · 01-03-12, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Which is accurate. A ship at in port will usually be in a steam-down condition and obtaining power from the shore. It will take hours to raise steam to a point where the ship can move. Even if the ship has steam up it will take several minutes just to weigh anchor. Here is a good discussion of the subject.
http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/8-10333.aspx

Makes sense!! So maybe one should not pay so much attention to that but would be nice if they started to move after a hour or so if you are still there for any reason. But I guess there is bigger problems to pay attention to still in the game.

Commander Mysenses · 01-03-12, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

'Docked' ships will do nothing but sit there

The game will not let them move.

But even the patrolling ones will stick to their paths as long as you stay out of their detection zones, despite the mayhem being unleashed in plain sight.

I think I will stay away from harbour raiding, too much of a duckshoot once you get past the patrols... my suspension of disbelief won't stretch that far!

IonicRipper · 01-03-12, 09:16 PM

Maybe no one was onboard?

01-03-12, 10:33 AM	#1
scorpiondown Electrician's Mate Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: near Pittsburgh pa. and Daytona Posts: 131 Downloads: 107 Uploads: 0	dumb AI i was on patrol off britains coast,submerged ..3 destroyers tried getting me but eventually gave up and sailed away..i surfaced and was just offshore cruising up the coast along some bases (at night)..spotted 4 destroyers all just sitting there..took them all out with 1 torp apeice..they were spread out pretty much and they didn,t react at all when the explosions started..just sat there..it was fun hitting them but not realistic at all..is this a bug or normal?? i was gonna post a shot of my mods but guess it won,t allow me to???

01-03-12, 11:56 AM	#4
flostt Sonar Guy Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Switzerland Posts: 388 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 0	installing this mod makes a big difference: IRAI (Intelligent Random AI) by TheDarkWraith http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=171973 I sometimes wish that I had not installed this (especially if you have three destroyers circling above you after an attack....) but it is a needed mod! __________________ Von den 40'000 deutschen U-Boot-Männern des Zweiten Weltkrieges kehrten 30'000 nicht zurück... 40’000 German sailors served on U-boats during World War II – 30’000 never returned home...

01-03-12, 12:01 PM	#5
Trevally. Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: AN1536 (Orkney) Posts: 5,451 Downloads: 166 Uploads: 28	Sober made a great discovery and I think this is the fix to this issue. He noticed a depth of water that all boat will get stuck at during their patrol waypoints (guarding harbours). This or they are docked, is what is causing this dumb DD. I have been meaning to fix this in OHII - it will happen soon __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Trevally Mods for SH5

01-03-12, 09:16 PM	#15
IonicRipper Engineer Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 206 Downloads: 103 Uploads: 0	Maybe no one was onboard? __________________

01-03-12, 10:48 AM	#2
troopie Captain Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Oz Posts: 507 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	That's pretty standard, I've had plenty of similar experiences in stock SH3 + 4. I guess the devs had more important problems on their hands. Wasn't really an issue in SH3, because you never really got sent into ports. I guess raiding ports is good for a bit of daring fun, but realistically I beleive it was a very rare occurence (steve?) so don't let it bother you too much!

01-03-12, 05:49 PM	#9
scorpiondown Electrician's Mate Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: near Pittsburgh pa. and Daytona Posts: 131 Downloads: 107 Uploads: 0	Thanks flostt for that link and Thank YOU TDW for all these great add-ons!!! gonna add this in my mod list.. soooo,,,,destroyers docked will just sit there....hmmmm,,, sounds like Scapa Flow is a cake walk!!!! NOW the truth is comin out!!!! just checked and i already have that in my activated mod list!!!! Got so many in there i forget what i have!!! those 3 circling above me were a real pain in the a$# !!!! they seemed to only drop DC,s when they circled back on top of me,,,thought that orange marker was givin me away!!!

01-03-12, 06:28 PM	#11
Zky Bosun Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 69 Downloads: 209 Uploads: 0	Yeah I did my first raid on Scapa Flow yesterday and realized that the destroyers was just sitting there. But I was happy because I play from a week back 100% realistic and set of 4 perfect torpedoes sinking the hood and queen elizabeth (if im not mistaking) with those torpedoes and raobf after planning my attack and all from 6000m away. The hit's were maybe just 1min apart after i calculated everything for both attacks and sending them of almost simultaneously. Very happy!! What surprised me was the 2 destroyers following me maybe for 30km as I got out of Scapa Flow with out me noticing them and then attacking me from behind in the fog and I had to replay my escape 3times just because i almost had no batteries left and could only do 1kps submerged in max 70m deep water. So they chased me anyway even if it was not the destroyers in the harbor so I got some realism.