I will wait for SH5 to finish baking by the modders

Vlad34 · 03-08-10, 03:21 PM

I went out and bought this game on release day, like most all of you did. While the game looks fantastic it is still rather "raw". We all know it's major failing points so I won't list them out here. I am going to put this one back on my game shelf and wait for the fantastic modders of the community to work their magic and make this game what we all know it SHOULD be. Until then, I will play SH4 (modded to perfection) and remain ever optimistic. I will eventually see you on patrol.

CHEERS to all!

141st_Alper · 03-08-10, 03:57 PM

Well thats the what UBI is doing as i see. Releasing the unfinished game and let the modders to fix it. And demand us to buy original game. For what?

auricom · 03-08-10, 04:49 PM

Yea.. I see the promise, but it's junky arcade nonsense in its current state.. I have already gone back to SHIV and will come back when the very talented modders have had their way with it and it can be savored properly

On that note: thanks to you the modding community you have taken what were medeocre games at release and made them something truely amazing!

Commie · 03-08-10, 04:51 PM

Exactly as 141st_Alper says! Why should they collect the money and hard working modders do all the work? Better to not buy the game at all until it comes out in the bargain bin. If you need a sub sim fix then SH3 with mods is still the ultimate. Now of course I don't expect a company game to be 100% as we'd like, as time and money restrictions will mean shortcuts and simplifications even at the best of times. It's not like Ubisoft will hire a team to take years to trawl through databases and history and tweak the settings in the game to make it as good as possible and as realistic as possible. They'd never release a game that way!

What we should though expect is at least a finished product with at most minor bugs that will be an enjoyable and believable experience out of the box! This is what Ubisoft has NOT been doing at all throughout the SH series.

Vlad34 · 03-08-10, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by auricom

Yea.. I see the promise, but it's junky arcade nonsense in its current state.. I have already gone back to SHIV and will come back when the very talented modders have had their way with it and it can be savored properly

On that note: thanks to you the modding community you have taken what were medeocre games at release and made them something truely amazing!

Well said my good man!

Noren · 03-08-10, 05:25 PM

But there's a bunch of us here who urge us to buy it regardless of quality, otherwise they fear there will never be another ww2 submarine 'simulator'.

Bubblehead1980 · 03-08-10, 05:25 PM

Sticking with SH 4 myself.Only big thing SH 4 needs is more interior which some started but were unable to finish.

Agustus · 03-08-10, 05:31 PM

That's a good point about Ubisoft being paid for the modders cleanup work. That's not cool...

I tried the game for two days then gave up and uninstalled it. I'll give it a shot again in six months after the mods do their good stuff and Ubisoft releases how many ever patches they'll need to make it work right.

I don't understand how Ubisoft could release such an incomplete and poorly designed product. They used to be the standard of quality. Now, after the weak SHIV release and now this mess with SH5, I will never buy a Ubisoft product again until I have the opportunity to read game website and user reviews.

Vlad34 · 03-08-10, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Agustus

That's a good point about Ubisoft being paid for the modders cleanup work. That's not cool...

I tried the game for two days then gave up and uninstalled it. I'll give it a shot again in six months after the mods do their good stuff and Ubisoft releases how many ever patches they'll need to make it work right.

I don't understand how Ubisoft could release such an incomplete and poorly designed product. They used to be the standard of quality. Now, after the weak SHIV release and now this mess with SH5, I will never buy a Ubisoft product again until I have the opportunity to read game website and user reviews.

EXACTLY!... The thing is, I absolutely love subsims (as far back as Silent Service for the NES) and I have purchased all of the Silent Hunter series
without ever considering a review of it, call it "love-blind stupidity". Same thing here with SH5, I bought it the day it was released because I knew that Ubisoft was really on the right track (well at least with their last couple of series SH3, Sh4, and the U-boat add-on) Thanks to this very talented community, they are going to save Ubisofts debacle. I know that with time Silent Hunter 5 will come out perfect! How much time and effort, that is the real question.

tonyeh · 03-09-10, 06:11 AM

What makes everyone think that the modders will actually be able to fix this god?

Will they be able to add two years of war? Will they be able to add a Type II or a Type IX U-Boat for example?

That's just for starters.

Personally, I think SH5 is hopeless.

Feuer Frei! · 03-09-10, 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonyeh

What makes everyone think that the modders will actually be able to fix this god?

Will they be able to add two years of war? Will they be able to add a Type II or a Type IX U-Boat for example?

That's just for starters.

Personally, I think SH5 is hopeless.

Ye of little faith....
The modders are releasing, day by day, give them time!

JScones · 03-09-10, 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonyeh

What makes everyone think that the modders will actually be able to fix this god?

Will they be able to add two years of war? Will they be able to add a Type II or a Type IX U-Boat for example?

That's just for starters.

Personally, I think SH5 is hopeless.

Admittedly I haven't played it yet, but from what I've read here I think that after three more patches (the seemingly norm for the SH series), 12 more months of "modder exploration", and the removal of DRM, I think SH5 could be a lot of things to a lot of players. I see SH5 as a long term investment, with the greatest return not to occur until way off into the future.

Is this the way the game should have been released? Maybe not, but it is what it is and at the moment for me it's a naked, wet, screaming 2 week old kid.

tonyeh · 03-09-10, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

Ye of little faith....
The modders are releasing, day by day, give them time!

Oh, I've no doubt that the modders will produce some excellent work. Their track record (unlike UBI's) is absolutely sterling.

However, my lack of "faith" lies with the SH5 itself, not the modders.

msxyz · 03-09-10, 07:25 AM

Except the modding scene is not what it used to be 2-3 years ago.

And if I were to start modding SH, I'd probably stick to SH3 or SH4 which already offers a more solid base and a lot of shared knowledge.

The difference in graphics is negligible between SH4 and SH5 except the hardware requirements are much higher.

skwasjer · 03-09-10, 07:40 AM

The problem is that modders need to (re)start the game more often than a player. With all the connection issues, (and slower startup of the game even if authentication succeeds) what do you think will happen? And some of the mod-tools are built in the game, so you have to start it up and authenticate too... The mod tools are also limited, and not very intuitive (can't believe they used it to build the game actually).
I've tried some stuff the past 2 days, and I am royally PO-ed by this as are other modders. It's an unworkable situation for me, at least for now so I decided I won't make mods for SH5 (and no, I won't make S3D for SH5 either). I suspect many old-skoolers will hang back with SH3/4.

03-08-10, 03:21 PM	#1
Vlad34 Mate Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Washington State Posts: 59 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I will wait for SH5 to finish baking by the modders I went out and bought this game on release day, like most all of you did. While the game looks fantastic it is still rather "raw". We all know it's major failing points so I won't list them out here. I am going to put this one back on my game shelf and wait for the fantastic modders of the community to work their magic and make this game what we all know it SHOULD be. Until then, I will play SH4 (modded to perfection) and remain ever optimistic. I will eventually see you on patrol. CHEERS to all!

03-09-10, 07:25 AM	#14
msxyz Engineer Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 218 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	Except the modding scene is not what it used to be 2-3 years ago. And if I were to start modding SH, I'd probably stick to SH3 or SH4 which already offers a more solid base and a lot of shared knowledge. The difference in graphics is negligible between SH4 and SH5 except the hardware requirements are much higher. __________________ ...Sinking deeper into the cold, dark oceans of life

03-09-10, 07:40 AM	#15
skwasjer The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,549 Downloads: 28 Uploads: 3	The problem is that modders need to (re)start the game more often than a player. With all the connection issues, (and slower startup of the game even if authentication succeeds) what do you think will happen? And some of the mod-tools are built in the game, so you have to start it up and authenticate too... The mod tools are also limited, and not very intuitive (can't believe they used it to build the game actually). I've tried some stuff the past 2 days, and I am royally PO-ed by this as are other modders. It's an unworkable situation for me, at least for now so I decided I won't make mods for SH5 (and no, I won't make S3D for SH5 either). I suspect many old-skoolers will hang back with SH3/4. __________________ S3D - Silent 3ditor (v0.9.9) - S3D homepage - Open sourced S3D file parser API's - SUBSIM thread SH5 mods: Speech Recognition for SH5 \| Digital UI Clock Tutorials: [TEC] Import/export 3D models to/from game using S3D [TEC] How to work with the model viewer in S3D - VIDEO

03-08-10, 03:57 PM	#2
141st_Alper Mate Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 52 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	Well thats the what UBI is doing as i see. Releasing the unfinished game and let the modders to fix it. And demand us to buy original game. For what?

03-08-10, 04:49 PM	#3
auricom Mate Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 52 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Yea.. I see the promise, but it's junky arcade nonsense in its current state.. I have already gone back to SHIV and will come back when the very talented modders have had their way with it and it can be savored properly On that note: thanks to you the modding community you have taken what were medeocre games at release and made them something truely amazing!

03-08-10, 04:51 PM	#4
Commie Machinist's Mate Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 122 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Exactly as 141st_Alper says! Why should they collect the money and hard working modders do all the work? Better to not buy the game at all until it comes out in the bargain bin. If you need a sub sim fix then SH3 with mods is still the ultimate. Now of course I don't expect a company game to be 100% as we'd like, as time and money restrictions will mean shortcuts and simplifications even at the best of times. It's not like Ubisoft will hire a team to take years to trawl through databases and history and tweak the settings in the game to make it as good as possible and as realistic as possible. They'd never release a game that way! What we should though expect is at least a finished product with at most minor bugs that will be an enjoyable and believable experience out of the box! This is what Ubisoft has NOT been doing at all throughout the SH series.

03-08-10, 05:25 PM	#6
Noren 中国水兵 Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 284 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	But there's a bunch of us here who urge us to buy it regardless of quality, otherwise they fear there will never be another ww2 submarine 'simulator'.

03-08-10, 05:25 PM	#7
Bubblehead1980 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida USA Posts: 7,126 Downloads: 605 Uploads: 44	Sticking with SH 4 myself.Only big thing SH 4 needs is more interior which some started but were unable to finish.

03-08-10, 05:31 PM	#8
Agustus Swabbie Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 13 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	That's a good point about Ubisoft being paid for the modders cleanup work. That's not cool... I tried the game for two days then gave up and uninstalled it. I'll give it a shot again in six months after the mods do their good stuff and Ubisoft releases how many ever patches they'll need to make it work right. I don't understand how Ubisoft could release such an incomplete and poorly designed product. They used to be the standard of quality. Now, after the weak SHIV release and now this mess with SH5, I will never buy a Ubisoft product again until I have the opportunity to read game website and user reviews.

03-09-10, 06:11 AM	#10
tonyeh Bosun Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ireland Posts: 65 Downloads: 28 Uploads: 0	What makes everyone think that the modders will actually be able to fix this god? Will they be able to add two years of war? Will they be able to add a Type II or a Type IX U-Boat for example? That's just for starters. Personally, I think SH5 is hopeless.