Time to start merging some tweaks/mods?

etheberge · 03-05-10, 02:26 AM

Gentlemen,

With the cornucopia of new mods and tweaks coming in, perhaps it's time to start thinking about merging together some of them before we start getting conflicts?

It would make things easier for everyone and could avoid people duplicating their efforts.

The idea is not for a super mod (we are miles away from that of course) but more for something akin to an Unofficial Fixes #1 package.

For example here are the mods I think would work well together as a base of must have fixes:

[REL] Free Cam Tweak
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=162663

Some combination of this:
[REL] Advanced Shift Keys for SH5
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=162891
and this:
[REL] Command Keys (fix-1.02)
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=162661

[REL] Remove Into and Logo screens
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=163079

[REL] No XO face in the Persicope Screen
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=162992

[REL] Less Annoying Footsteps
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=162968

[REL] Ny Hydrophone on Surface
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=163213

[REL] No crosshair
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=163194

[REL] Improved Engine Sounds
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=163222

[REL] Blue underwater impurity v1.0
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=163197

[REL]No Damn Bubbles, No Damn Halo Mod
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=162677

[REL] Morale Mod (Your crew is actually obedient!)
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=163091

Of course the authors would be contacted and credited or hopefully would chime in within this thread.

These mods/tweaks would also need to be checked for conflicts because I didn't try them all.

What does everyone think? Too soon maybe?

JScones · 03-05-10, 02:38 AM

Conflicts are inevitable. There'll be a squillion tweaks released for SH5 over the ensuing weeks.

Further, most of the mods you've listed are subjective, ie personal choice, and not "fixes" at all.

IMHO let modders find their feet for a little while. Like the nervous system, mods will naturally evolve and synergise as we go along.

R-T-B · 03-05-10, 02:42 AM

Most of those are compatable with each other fortunately, so I think we're jumping the gun a bit to make an "unofficial fix."

Not saying that day won't come (and you have permission to use my morale mod BTW), but I don't think it's here yet.

gutted · 03-05-10, 02:45 AM

I was gonna say the same thing. I have 80% of those mods, and not a single one conflict. So there's no point in merging anything yet.

I do however have no use for the HotKey Commands, as i have my own version. Not really interested in the free cam tweak, as i don't have free cam enabled. And i sorta like mashing my mouse on the XO's face

Snake Man · 03-05-10, 03:00 AM

I come from OFP/ArmA background where you can mix up addons as you please by just using command line switch, so to me the SHx "SUPERMODS" are quite horrible thing to swallow.

There is not a single supermod that I like, but there are many supermods that has many features that I like.

It would be best to let the user decide what mods he wants to install. Starting to push supermod/combined idea in the first week of editing is not a good idea.

CCIP · 03-05-10, 03:04 AM

Well mind you, there is one important thing to keep in mind: cross-compatibility. It's not a "horrible thing" because often mixing mods results in catastrophic (but not always immediately obvious) game failures. But of course that's why JSGME is a blessing.

Personally, I think it's too early. There may be some good reasons to have a "mod collection" right now, but not too too many - I think the ground covered is relatively thin so we don't have much in the way of incompatibilities (meaning that generally people are pretty safe downloading and mixing/matching most of these mods for now), and there has not yet been a particular 'direction' to the modding effort, e.g. offering a "realism pack" doesn't quite make sense yet since we haven't begun addressing some of the major issue in it.

So personally, I'd rather wait for a patch or two and meanwhile keep tabs on compatibility between mods.

gutted · 03-05-10, 03:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snake Man

There is not a single supermod that I like, but there are many supermods that has many features that I like.

Yup. Agree 100%

I had to make quite a few edits (& merges with other newer mini mods) to my TMO 1.8 install to be completely happy with it. Not that i didn't like his work as is. It's just everyone has different opinions.

That is partly why i stopped playing SH4. I did a reformat and forgot to save my MOD folder. I really dont want to go back and make all those changes/merges again.

Kresge · 03-06-10, 08:23 PM

I'm curious to see how many people are working cooperatively on SHV mods. I see a lot of duplicates so far, such as keymap editors. Plus, SHV is likely to be patched a few times soon, so it seems a bit early to start releasing mods into the pool.

Glad there is s much interest so soon though! I think this game has the potential to see something like Battlefield's Forgotten Hope mod in the future if interest holds steady.

03-05-10, 03:00 AM	#5
Snake Man Sailor man Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 43 Downloads: 91 Uploads: 0	I come from OFP/ArmA background where you can mix up addons as you please by just using command line switch, so to me the SHx "SUPERMODS" are quite horrible thing to swallow. There is not a single supermod that I like, but there are many supermods that has many features that I like. It would be best to let the user decide what mods he wants to install. Starting to push supermod/combined idea in the first week of editing is not a good idea. __________________ Operation Flashpoint. Armed Assault. ArmA 2, ArmA 3. Falcon 4 Theaters, Farming Simulator 19, FS22, FS25, Silent Hunter 3, SH4, SH5, Cold Waters, CMANO, Sea Power, Naval Warfare. www.pmctactical.org Snake Man, PMC.

03-05-10, 03:04 AM	#6
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Well mind you, there is one important thing to keep in mind: cross-compatibility. It's not a "horrible thing" because often mixing mods results in catastrophic (but not always immediately obvious) game failures. But of course that's why JSGME is a blessing. Personally, I think it's too early. There may be some good reasons to have a "mod collection" right now, but not too too many - I think the ground covered is relatively thin so we don't have much in the way of incompatibilities (meaning that generally people are pretty safe downloading and mixing/matching most of these mods for now), and there has not yet been a particular 'direction' to the modding effort, e.g. offering a "realism pack" doesn't quite make sense yet since we haven't begun addressing some of the major issue in it. So personally, I'd rather wait for a patch or two and meanwhile keep tabs on compatibility between mods. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

03-06-10, 08:23 PM	#8
Kresge Engineer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Motor City Posts: 209 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	I'm curious to see how many people are working cooperatively on SHV mods. I see a lot of duplicates so far, such as keymap editors. Plus, SHV is likely to be patched a few times soon, so it seems a bit early to start releasing mods into the pool. Glad there is s much interest so soon though! I think this game has the potential to see something like Battlefield's Forgotten Hope mod in the future if interest holds steady. __________________ ". . . sailors do not fancy living underwater without breathing in sunshine occasionally." Commodore Joseph Smith commenting on the USS Monitor

03-05-10, 02:26 AM	#1
etheberge Watch Officer Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Montreal, QC Posts: 345 Downloads: 614 Uploads: 10	Time to start merging some tweaks/mods? Gentlemen, With the cornucopia of new mods and tweaks coming in, perhaps it's time to start thinking about merging together some of them before we start getting conflicts? It would make things easier for everyone and could avoid people duplicating their efforts. The idea is not for a super mod (we are miles away from that of course) but more for something akin to an Unofficial Fixes #1 package. For example here are the mods I think would work well together as a base of must have fixes: [REL] Free Cam Tweak http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=162663 Some combination of this: [REL] Advanced Shift Keys for SH5 http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=162891 and this: [REL] Command Keys (fix-1.02) http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=162661 [REL] Remove Into and Logo screens http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=163079 [REL] No XO face in the Persicope Screen http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=162992 [REL] Less Annoying Footsteps http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=162968 [REL] Ny Hydrophone on Surface http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=163213 [REL] No crosshair http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=163194 [REL] Improved Engine Sounds http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=163222 [REL] Blue underwater impurity v1.0 http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=163197 [REL]No Damn Bubbles, No Damn Halo Mod http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=162677 [REL] Morale Mod (Your crew is actually obedient!) http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=163091 Of course the authors would be contacted and credited or hopefully would chime in within this thread. These mods/tweaks would also need to be checked for conflicts because I didn't try them all. What does everyone think? Too soon maybe? __________________ 11 War Patrols / 56 ships sunk or damaged for 212,022 tons Zero casualties throughout the war Scuttled on 8 May, 1945 in Sonderburg Bay, after German surrender

03-05-10, 02:38 AM	#2
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Conflicts are inevitable. There'll be a squillion tweaks released for SH5 over the ensuing weeks. Further, most of the mods you've listed are subjective, ie personal choice, and not "fixes" at all. IMHO let modders find their feet for a little while. Like the nervous system, mods will naturally evolve and synergise as we go along.

03-05-10, 02:42 AM	#3
R-T-B Sparky Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 150 Downloads: 324 Uploads: 5	Most of those are compatable with each other fortunately, so I think we're jumping the gun a bit to make an "unofficial fix." Not saying that day won't come (and you have permission to use my morale mod BTW), but I don't think it's here yet.

03-05-10, 02:45 AM	#4
gutted The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Orleans, LA. Posts: 1,379 Downloads: 487 Uploads: 11	I was gonna say the same thing. I have 80% of those mods, and not a single one conflict. So there's no point in merging anything yet. I do however have no use for the HotKey Commands, as i have my own version. Not really interested in the free cam tweak, as i don't have free cam enabled. And i sorta like mashing my mouse on the XO's face