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Rockstar

10-07-23, 12:40 PM

1. Massive Israeli intelligence failure. The last time Israel was blind sided this badly was the '73 war. Though we should note Israel came out on top in that conflict 50 years ago.

2. The scope of this infiltration attack indicates a huge level of planning and preparation spanning months or years. Which underscores point #1.

3. The level of brutality already involved; confirmed executions of Israeli soldiers and civilians, parading the bodies of slain IDF personnel (including 1 female soldier), indiscriminate killing of Israeli civilians, etc will help set the tone for what follows.

4. Israeli declaration of war by the PM gives some indication of what we can expect from Israel by way of response. Also indicates the seriousness with which the government regards this attack/invasion. As does the IDF moving to a war footing and immediately recalling reserves.

5. Expect a significant degree of rally around the flag following this. Internal disputes will be put on the back burner for the time being. This is good news for Bibi.

6. The Israeli left's political influence will likely take a serious beating given their long standing conciliatory (by comparison) stance towards the Palestinians. Again, good news for the current center-right governing coalition.

7. Given the widespread support for the Palestinians being voiced by various Arab governments in the region - the progress of the Abraham Accords has suffered significant damage. How much remains to be seen.

8. I expect a significant Israeli response. Whatever it looks like, it will open with the air campaign we're already seeing the beginnings of. I currently regard future ground operations into Gaza by the IDF as highly likely.

9. While Iran supports numerous proxies & militias in the region, including Hamas & Hezbollah, and has openly praised this attack, it's not yet clear how involved Tehran is prepared to be. Some of their official rhetoric has been bellicose. What Hezbollah chooses to do in over the next few days or weeks may provide insight.

10. Which way Hezbollah jumps will have a major impact. Their involvement would create a two front problem for Israel and bring a significant number of additional enemy forces into the fight.

11. Several Arab nations, including Egypt, have made what could be construed as threats against Israel if the IDF were to launch punitive operations against Gaza in ways they deem disproportionate. Whether this is merely rhetoric or a genuine warning remains to be seen. From some nations, like Egypt, it's a threat Israel must take seriously.

hat tip: Patrick Fox

mapuc

10-07-23, 12:59 PM

^ This was my first thought when I heard about this massive attack on Israel, what about Iran, Syria and Hezbollah.
Egypt, Iraq, Saudi-Arabia was not in my mind.

Markus

Rockstar

10-07-23, 01:03 PM

I wonder how many of those American looking firearms Palestinians are dancing around in the streets with came from stocks our administration left in Afghanistan?

Catfish

10-07-23, 01:43 PM

I admit I did not expect this.
But I am quite sure the weapons for Hamas are coming from Iran (not Afghanistan), and behind it all probably Putin. The worldwide destabilization is working for him.

Skybird

10-07-23, 02:27 PM

I expect Israel wiiill react with a little more than just a "police operation". They now report over one hundred dead, and then there are the hostages.

Egypts warning shows that crow of same feather forever will fly together, no matter the babble done on a sunny day.

Concern is what Hezbollah is up to. This enemy is a completely different weight class than Hamas. Its assumed they have 100 to 150 thousand missiles and rockets, and as many fighters.

This action has written "escalation" all over it. Time for serious concerns.

By chance, yesterday I read something that reminded of that in the past wars, Eastgermany actively supported and delievered stuff to the enemies of Israel in the war in question - and Westgermany did nothing similiar for Israel.

Germany's Sugar-Anni used the opportunity to practice speaking with a low voice while sending dark looks at her notes sheet. If I were the Hamas leader, I would be really worried now. :haha:

Rockstar

10-07-23, 02:39 PM

I admit I did not expect this.
But I am quite sure the weapons for Hamas are coming from Iran (not Afghanistan), and behind it all probably Putin. The worldwide destabilization is working for him.

Oh no doubt Putin and Iran support and supply the actions of Hamas and me wondering about what I see in the news does not in any way absolve them of their responsibility. But why I see Palestinians dancing in the streets holding what looks like U.S. made weapons is still valid. Because it is very well known the Taliban are selling them.

The Taliban Are Now Arms Dealers
Terrorists are shopping for left-behind American weapons—and turning them against Washington’s friends around the world.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/07/05/taliban-afghanistan-arms-dealers-weapons-sales-terrorism/

Or maybe we should just ignore it and just chalk it up as an anti-Biden conspiracy theory so we don’t have to think about.

Catfish

10-07-23, 02:49 PM

^ whatever created all this mess, reading the last part of the post above the destabilisation of the US obviously works :yeah:
:nope:

Dargo

10-07-23, 04:01 PM

At 6:30 a.m. local time, Hamas launched a large-scale surprise attack on Israeli territory. Within hours, at least 2,500 rockets were fired, according to Israel. The Palestinians penetrated Israel by land, sea and air and crossed the border into the Gaza Strip at Erez. There, they reportedly captured several Israeli civilians. According to an Israeli spokesman, this morning there have been 22 deaths on the Israeli side and already more than 545 wounded. The resistance group Islamic Jihad, the second armed faction in Gaza, said it had joined the fighters. Palestinians are also said to have captured several tanks from the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF). Clashes between Israeli forces and Palestinians are taking place in villages on the Gaza border. How is it that Shin Bet and the Mossad, surely two of the strongest intelligence agencies in the world, had not seen this coming?

Catfish

10-07-23, 04:20 PM

THis sounds like a military action, but the Hamas has and is not an army. So it all comes down to a terrorist act. Water on Natanyahu's mill to subdue the opposition, but this seems like a war indeed :hmmm:

mapuc

10-07-23, 04:21 PM

Catfish

10-07-23, 04:25 PM

Makes one wonder if Iran is behind it ?
Markus
Yep, but with some additional support: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2887295&postcount=17
Main goal is to destabilize the US (see Skybird's Focus link). Unfortunately it is working well.

mapuc

10-07-23, 04:32 PM

Yep, but with some additional support: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2887295&postcount=17
Main goal is to destabilize the US (see Skybird's Focus link). Unfortunately it is working well.

Yes they receive weapons from Iran, what I meant was, is Iran the brain behind this military operation ?

As you wrote:
" THis sounds like a military action, but the Hamas has and is not an army."

Catfish

10-07-23, 04:42 PM

Yes they receive weapons from Iran, what I meant was, is Iran the brain behind this military operation ? [...]
I see a high probability of Putin's Russia involved.

mapuc

10-07-23, 04:53 PM

I see a high probability of Putin's Russia involved.

As he didn't have enough problems with the Ukrainians

It sounds plausible though.

Markus

Skybird

10-07-23, 05:25 PM

Putin could use this to divert US attention from Ukraine to the ME.

For Hamas, its about torpedoing the peace process between Israel and Saudi Arabia. Its said that SA could be willing to sign a peace deal with Israel. Thjats why Hamas wants Israel to flatten parts of Gazta and kill as many civilians as possible. That creates healdines SA probably would not ignore, like Egypt already has threatened.

Israel now reports 150 of its own people killed, 1400 wounded.

Bodies of dead Israeli have been pulled through the streets.

Primitive scum is primitive scum, no matter how they dress it up.

Rockstar

10-07-23, 05:32 PM

Putin could use this to divert US attention from Ukraine to the ME.

For Hamas, its about torpedoing the peace process between Israel and Saudi Arabia. Its said that SA could be willing to sign a peace deal with Israel. Thjats why Hamas wants Israel to flatten parts of Gazta and kill as many civilians as possible. That creates healdines SA probably would not ignore, like Egypt already has threatened.

Israel now reports 150 of its own people killed.

I think you’re right, most likely these are two separate issues and I think we’re more than capable of handling both.

Skybird

10-07-23, 06:06 PM

Meanwhile 300 Israeli dead, 1600 wounded.

em2nought

10-07-23, 09:38 PM

Primitive scum is primitive scum, no matter how they dress it up.

The Gaza Strip would make excellent tinder for a firebombing ala Dresden in the total war that Israel should wage after this arab butchery. :up:

Ostfriese

10-08-23, 12:58 AM

In the short run this is going to stabilize Israel, which has been in a deep political crisis for quite a while. And this is not deep psychology, this was absolutely forseeable. Whoever planned this must have known that attacking like this would be a rallying call for Israelis to unite and hit back as hard as possible.
And while Russia doesn't really profit from this it can always be argued that Russia has done a lot of things recently it doesn't profit from...

em2nought

10-08-23, 01:37 AM

Russia, Russia, Russia! :har: Russia's been getting the blame for everything since 2015 :har:

Skybird

10-08-23, 02:03 AM

And before. And rightly so.

Meanwhile Hezbollah opened missile fire on the socalled sheeba farms that israel took in 1967. UN counts these as Israel's, not Libanon's.

Jimbuna

10-08-23, 06:20 AM

Russia calls for immediate ceasefire

In a recent development, Russia has urgently called for an immediate ceasefire. The Russian Foreign Ministry made the announcement, emphasizing the need to de-escalate the ongoing conflict.

"The situation in Gaza is deteriorating rapidly, and we call for an immediate ceasefire," said Maria Zakharova, the spokesperson for the Russian Foreign Ministry according to AP.

She further added, "It is crucial to prevent further loss of life and to ensure the safety of civilians."

The call from Russia comes amid escalating violence in the region, which has led to numerous casualties and widespread destruction. The Russian government is urging both sides to halt hostilities and engage in dialogue to resolve the conflict.

According to Zakharova, Russia is deeply concerned about the humanitarian crisis unfolding in Gaza. "The international community must act swiftly to provide aid and ensure the well-being of the affected population," she stated.

The Russian Foreign Ministry also highlighted the role of international organizations in mediating the conflict.

"We believe that the United Nations and other international bodies should be actively involved in facilitating a peaceful resolution," Zakharova said.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/russia-calls-for-immediate-ceasefire/ar-AA1hRvLj?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=7fdd7b850f3d4a27bc6e1b84745d8ac6&ei=11

Does Russian hypocricy have any limits? :)

Reece

10-08-23, 06:28 AM

You're not wrong Jim, aren't they just so concerned! :doh:

Jimbuna

10-08-23, 06:34 AM

Fighting between the Israeli military and Palestinian militants continues in Israeli territory near Gaza
A spokesman says Israel is "still at war... still completing efforts to take full control of Israeli territory and communities from Hamas"
Israeli air strikes have killed at least 313 people in the Gaza Strip, with almost 2,000 wounded, Palestinian officials say
In Israel, 300 civilians have also been killed, and dozens of Israelis have been taken hostage
One British citizen, Jake Marlowe, is missing - he was working as security at an outdoor party near the Gaza border when the attack happened
And in Egypt, two Israeli tourists and their Egyptian tour guide were shot dead in Alexandria, apparently by a policeman
On Saturday morning, Hamas launched a wave of rocket attacks and fighters stormed into Israel, in the biggest escalation in decades

Israeli revenge will be swift and far reaching.

Jimbuna

10-08-23, 06:49 AM

You're not wrong Jim, aren't they just so concerned! :doh:

Aye if only :06:

Latest reports state Palestinian militants have killed more than 400 Israelis since yesterday's attack began.

The reports add that 2,000 have been injured.

Skybird

10-08-23, 07:17 AM

500 Israeli killed, mounting. 2000+ wounded, dozens taken hostage.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67037895?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=65228f8902d73c280f4a9281%26WATCH%3A%20 Israeli%20forces%20exchange%20fire%20on%20road%20n ear%20Gaza%20border%262023-10-08T11%3A58%3A31.890Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:e9cb978e-6f2c-41c6-a6c0-cbad18e8e821&pinned_post_asset_id=65228f8902d73c280f4a9281&pinned_post_type=share

mapuc

10-08-23, 07:34 AM

Will this lead to a state of war between Israel and Iran ?

Hearing and reading the news where Iran has been mentioned, made me wonder if this could happen.

Markus

Moonlight

10-08-23, 08:40 AM

Ostfriese

10-08-23, 09:18 AM

^An emphatic No me thinks, Iran prefers to give people the bullets to fire rather than get directly involved, even a small defeat for its Republican Guard might de-stabilize their grip on power, they'll hide in the shadows as usual, like they always do.

I'd add that Iran has a lot on his hands already, internal struggles and the infighting within Islam between Sunni and Shia. They can ill afford an open confrontation with Israel (or anyone else) at this time.

Onkel Neal

10-08-23, 09:25 AM

The Gaza Strip would make excellent tinder for a firebombing ala Dresden in the total war that Israel should wage after this arab butchery. :up:

Agreed. Fuel/air bomb every square inch.

mapuc

10-08-23, 09:27 AM

I'd add that Iran has a lot on his hands already, internal struggles and the infighting within Islam between Sunni and Shia. They can ill afford an open confrontation with Israel (or anyone else) at this time.

I do not questioning your expertise on this matter.

What I think-in my opinion-The architect behind this assault on Israel has Iran written all over it. In the end I think Israel will punish Iran-How I don't know.

Markus

em2nought

10-08-23, 09:36 AM

I'd love to see Israel bring war criminal charges against sleepy joe for funding Hamas via releasing those $6 billion to Iran. Wouldn't really care if the charges stuck or not, just worth it for some legal payback. Israel could even just announce they were debating bringing charges against sleepy joe and that would make me happy. :D

I'm surprised the democrats haven't blamed this barbary on President Trump yet for his recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

I really wanna see "The Squad" interviewed regarding this attack. :har:

Skybird

10-08-23, 09:51 AM

Agreed. Fuel/air bomb every square inch.
But the EUalone has paid them 8.3 billion Euros since the Oslo treaty! :wah:
Maybe they should have given them an unlimited supply of Mon Cheri pralines - then by now they all would be alcoholics, would have a necrotic liver and crawl on all four. :arrgh!:
Germany considers to maybe stop paying them of 350 and 240 million this year alone. - Whats there to consider?

Over 100 hostages taken.

Ostfriese

10-08-23, 09:52 AM

I do not questioning your expertise on this matter.

I don't have much of an expertise on it, don't worry. It's a (slightly) educated guess.

What I think-in my opinion-The architect behind this assault on Israel has Iran written all over it. In the end I think Israel will punish Iran-How I don't know.

Markus

I agree, if an other nation is behind it it's most likely Iran. Russia, as I said before, might also be behind it if someone there had a very stupid day, but overall I don't think that's likely - but I also thought it wasn't likely they'd attack Ukraine.

Skybird

10-08-23, 10:04 AM

Iran is Hezbollah.

mapuc

10-08-23, 10:10 AM

^ I thought that Hezbollah was supported by Syria and Hamas was supported by Iran

Latest news here is:

Rockets fired from Lebanon
Hezbollah has openly given their support to Hamas
Israel has declared war.

Edit
Made a search and it looks like Iran and Syria is supporting both terror group
End edit

Markus

Buddahaid

10-08-23, 10:18 AM

Jimbuna

10-08-23, 12:51 PM

More than 600 Israelis have been killed in attacks from Gaza since Saturday, the government says - and some Hamas fighters are still on Israeli territory, an Israeli military spokesman says
It's believed that as many as 100 Israeli soldiers and civilians were kidnapped when Palestinian militants crossed the border and raided communities
Retaliatory Israeli air strikes have killed at least 370 people in the Gaza Strip, with 2,200 wounded, Palestinian officials say
The family of a British man serving in the Israeli military, Nathanel Young, say he was killed in an attack; two other Britons are also missing
The US has announced more support for Israel by sending munitions and boosting forces in the region, while British PM Rishi Sunak says the UK is one of Israel's "strongest allies"
The wave of attacks launched by the Hamas militant group on Saturday morning was the biggest escalation in decades between the two sides.

Jimbuna

10-08-23, 12:53 PM

The Pentagon will send ships and aircraft closer to Israel, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin announced Sunday, demonstrating a major show of force a day after Hamas militants launched attacks across southern Israel.

The closest U.S. Navy assets are the aircraft carrier USS Gerald Ford and its carrier strike group, which is currently deployed to the Mediterranean Sea.

The Biden administration is also expected to announce the transfer of additional weapons to Israel.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/08/pentagon-ships-aircraft-israel-hamas-00120523

Aktungbby

10-08-23, 01:44 PM

The Gaza Strip would make excellent tinder for a firebombing ala Dresden in the total war that Israel should wage after this arab butchery. :up:You"re a pussy! :D We need to completely nuke the Gaza strip, while simultaneously dropping one on Teheran and Cairo(Mr Atta who masterminded the 9/11 attack was Egyptian-I have a long memory...) and serve notice to Putin's global 'intent by distraction'. The bombs dropped at Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945 by WWI artillery captain Harry Truman were not intended for Hirohito as much as they were for Stalin and the post 'cold war...so every 80 years we need to repeat the message particularly to the aggravating communist factions. With MIT predicting the end of civilization by 2040, I mark it :17 years and speeding up. Too bad we don't have a detonation-rocket to turn the sun into a red giant and just end the farce over who's God is better; if one exists at all...moreover, at age 72. I don't give a rat's ass:yep::ping::ping::shucks: https://media.tenor.com/WCz8pMYtFG8AAAAC/sun-solar-system.gif

Jimbuna

10-08-23, 01:51 PM

You"re a pussy! :D We need to completely nuke the Gaza strip, while simultaneously dropping one on Teheran and Cairo(Mr Atta who masterminded the 9/11 attack was Egyptian-I have a long memory...) and serve notice to Putin's global 'intent by distraction'. The bombs dropped at Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945 by WWI artillery captain Harry Truman were not intended for Hirohito as much as they were for Stalin and the post 'cold war...so every 80 years we need to repeat the message particularly to the aggravating communist factions. With MIT predicting the end of civilization by 2040, I mark it :17 years and speeding up. Too bad we don't have a detonation-rocket to turn the sun into a red giant and just end the farce over who's God is better; if one exists at all...moreover,at age 72 I give a rat's ass:yep::ping::ping::shucks:

No thanks, I have a wife, children and a granddaughter.

Jeff-Groves

10-08-23, 01:58 PM

At age 72. I don't give a rat's ass

At age 65? I'm right there with ya on don't give a rat's ass!
Let's just launch all the stuff and send a World Wide broad cast saying
Here Ya go you SOBS!!

Aktungbby

10-08-23, 02:05 PM

No thanks, I have a wife, children and a granddaughter.At age 65? I'm right there with ya on don't give a rat's ass!
Let's just launch all the stuff and send a World Wide broad cast saying
Here Ya go you SOBS!! Just don't drop one on Northumbria!:arrgh!:

mapuc

10-08-23, 02:08 PM

Will this set the Middle east a blaze ?

Someone mentioned Egypt would not allow Israel to (forgot the word) it's military operation in Gaza. Me think they will do exactly that.

Markus

mapuc

10-08-23, 02:12 PM

Just don't drop one on Northumbria!:arrgh!:

You will be hit by the fallout later, if Atomic winter doesn't do it first.

Read the book "On the Beach" By Nevil Shute

Markus

Jeff-Groves

10-08-23, 02:21 PM

Will this set the Middle east a blaze ?

Hope the USS Gerald Ford assists lighting the fire!
Real tired of the BS.

Dargo

10-08-23, 02:35 PM

Will this set the Middle east a blaze ?

Someone mentioned Egypt would not allow Israel to (forgot the word) it's military operation in Gaza. Me think they will do exactly that.

MarkusIsrael will start ground operations into Gaza within 48 hours, no matter what countries say.
Actually, there are two options, airstrikes and a ground offensive.
With airstrikes, Israel can attack targets from a great distance. But a big problem is that you don't know where civilians and hostage Israelis are, so that's where you run a risk. History shows that you can destroy a city, but if you want to break an opponent's will to fight, it doesn't work (bombing Hanoi in the Vietnam War and those on Berlin in World War II).

An ground offensive would allow Israel to penetrate deeper into Hamas' power base. But such an offensive carries great risks for Israel. You then have to conquer house by house, floor by floor, room by room territory. That is a very intensive form of fighting, which leads to great losses on both sides. Moreover, Israeli soldiers would then be fighting in Hamas territory; territory where Hamas is lord and master.

mapuc

10-08-23, 02:53 PM

Israel will start ground operations into Gaza within 48 hours, no matter what countries say.

It was something with exaggerate its use of force against Hamas and the Gaza.

Markus

Moonlight

10-08-23, 02:59 PM

Jesus bloody Christ, have some of you gone bleeding nuts?, you're starting to sound like Putin's useful idiots on the TV who threaten to throw nuclear weapons about like confetti.

Lets be clear on this, Israel will make Hamas and Hezbollah pay for this terrorist attack and, when they think that they've retaliated enough it will all come to an end once again.

When all the dead are buried and the dust has settled again, we can all wait and watch the TV for these terrorists to weapon up again and start it all over again.

Sooner or later someone on the terrorists side are going to have a lightbulb moment, such as, this is getting us nowhere fast we need to do something differently, it might take a hundred years or so, but it will eventually happen, and that gentlemen, is called diplomacy.

I'll kick the bucket one day and, I'll know that this world is a safer place when you lot are still keyboard warriors instead of making government political decisians.

Dargo

10-08-23, 03:13 PM

Death tolls rose sharply today, on both sides. Palestinian authorities report 413 dead, including 78 children and 41 women. More than 2,300 were wounded there. In Israel, 700 casualties have now been reported, according to Israeli media. The Health Ministry says more than 2,200 people have been injured.

Zaka, an Israeli volunteer group that processes human remains after terror attacks and other disasters, says it has found at least 260 bodies at a festival site in the south of the country. A spokesman for the group told several Israeli media outlets. Hamas fighters attacked participants attending a rave near the border with the Gaza Strip on Saturday. Numerous people were reportedly abducted from the festival grounds into the Gaza Strip. The media quoted eyewitnesses who spoke of a massacre. Videos circulated online showing festival goers fleeing shots from the attackers. Many parents of young people who attended Saturday's rave at kibbutz Re'im have been seeking news of their missing children since yesterday.

It is unclear whether Israeli authorities have included the bodies found by Zaka in their official death toll from the Hamas attack, which now exceeds 700.

Skybird

10-08-23, 03:37 PM

You"re a pussy! :D We need to completely nuke the Gaza strip, while simultaneously dropping one on Teheran and Cairo

https://i.pinimg.com/550x/af/2d/ff/af2dffee27ac1e5d2604a14f87d734ab.jpg

Skybird

10-08-23, 03:43 PM

It was something with exaggerate its use of force against Hamas and the Gaza.

Markus
They do not play basketball where a mere 88:87 might be enough. There aint no such thing like proportionate or relative force in war. You go afdter the enemy with all you have and are capable of. What you want is a 100:0, if at all possible. Every goal the enemy scores - means your people lose lives.

Dont just try to just beat them. Aim at FLATTENING them.

mapuc

10-08-23, 04:24 PM

They do not play basketball where a mere 88:87 might be enough. There aint no such thing like proportionate or relative force in war. You go afdter the enemy with all you have and are capable of. What you want is a 100:0, if at all possible. Every goal the enemy scores - means your people lose lives.

Dont just try to just beat them. Aim at FLATTENING them.

In #18 you wrote

"Egypts warning shows that crow of same feather forever will fly together, no matter the babble done on a sunny day."
I believe you are right, so how will Egypt and other Islamic state react ?

Markus

Jeff-Groves

10-08-23, 04:28 PM

how will Egypt and other Islamic state react ?

I'm betting everyone of them will stand up and support Israel.
:har:

Jeff-Groves

10-08-23, 04:41 PM

throw nuclear weapons about like confetti.

No! Not like confetti. That's to random and iffy.

mapuc

10-08-23, 04:51 PM

I'm betting everyone of them will stand up and support Israel.
:har:

And I think you are 110 % right on.

I don't think it is in any Islamic state-Except Iran - to start a war with Israel.
(I wanna believe it is so)

Especially not after how Hamas has killed innocent people and kidnapped children and elderly.

Markus

Jeff-Groves

10-08-23, 04:57 PM

And I think you are 110 % right on.

I don't think it is in any Islamic state-Except Iran - to start a war with Israel.
(I wanna believe it is so)

Markus

Guess I should have posted a notice of Humour intended.

Skybird

10-08-23, 05:48 PM

In #18 you wrote

"Egypts warning shows that crow of same feather forever will fly together, no matter the babble done on a sunny day."
I believe you are right, so how will Egypt and other Islamic state react ?

Markus
If they think Israel's treatment of Gaza is too harsh for their tastes, they will forget their peace treaties and diplomatic overtures to Israel faster than it takes me to cook my ribeye steak medium rare. Big winner then: Iran. If they think Israel goes too far, multinational war is possible. Bigger-than-big winner then: again, Iran. Thats why I think its possible that Hezbollah will not engage in full currently: Iran wants to see if the situation between Israel and its Arab neighbours will not detoriate even without Iran formally entering that war.

em2nought

10-08-23, 06:45 PM

But a big problem is that you don't know where civilians and hostage Israelis are, so that's where you run a risk.

There are no civilians, they're all combatants or they support combatants. Israel should consider the hostages lost and scorch the earth. :03:

Maybe send the Mossad after "The Squad" while they're at it.

I'm waiting to hear that this is the fault of MAGA voters because the intelligence agencies have been monitoring Orange Man Bad voters instead of foreign bad actors.

mapuc

10-09-23, 06:00 AM

Officers of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), the country's most powerful military, had been working with Hamas since August to devise their multi-prong attack on Israel by land, air and sea, they said.

https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/iran-hamas-plot-israel-war-update-gaza-strip-meeting-beirut-lebanon-escalation-2446324-2023-10-09

Markus

Jimbuna

10-09-23, 06:27 AM

Not long now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VO_Lsskik4

Jimbuna

10-09-23, 06:28 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrATeqHHw8Q

Skybird

10-09-23, 08:25 AM

The EU suspends all payments to the Palestinians.

mapuc

10-09-23, 10:17 AM

An expert on Israel said that if the IDF went too hard in Gaza, the Arabs in Israel could rebel and then we have a civil war in Israel.

Markus

Jeff-Groves

10-09-23, 12:27 PM

An expert on Israel said that if the IDF went too hard in Gaza, the Arabs in Israel could rebel and then we have a civil war in Israel.

Markus
The USA should give Hamas 24 hours to release Americans.
If they don't? Give them a taste of what Baghdad went through!
Pretty sure the Ford could do that.
All Aid to foreign countries with the slightest connection to Hamas should be cut off as of now.

Jimbuna

10-09-23, 12:29 PM

Rishi Sunak has pledged to provide diplomatic, intelligence or security support to Israel if requested after attacks by Hamas, as he prepared to chair an emergency meeting of Cobra.

No 10 said the UK stood “poised” to help Israel militarily if it asked for assistance and is not ruling out evacuating some British citizens from affected areas, saying keeping them safe was the “utmost priority”.

Sunak will chair a meeting of Cobra on Monday afternoon, which is convened to manage the UK’s response to disasters, as the death toll continues to rise after Hamas’s surprise attack and hostage-taking, and Israel’s subsequent bombardment of Gaza. At least 700 people have been killed in Israel and more than 400 have been killed in Gaza.

Jimbuna

10-09-23, 12:32 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJDxT7Bx9N0

Jeff-Groves

10-09-23, 12:35 PM

Sunak will chair a meeting of Cobra on Monday afternoon,

Isn't Cobra the enemy of G.I.Joe?
:o
:har:

Jimbuna

10-09-23, 12:41 PM

Isn't Cobra the enemy of G.I.Joe?
:o
:har:

And all else that is sane :03:

mapuc

10-09-23, 12:55 PM

The USA should give Hamas 24 hours to release Americans.
If they don't? Give them a taste of what Baghdad went through!
Pretty sure the Ford could do that.
All Aid to foreign countries with the slightest connection to Hamas should be cut off as of now.

Which EU has done-Stopped all aid to Gaza.

Markus

Jimbuna

10-09-23, 01:10 PM

Jimbuna

10-09-23, 01:15 PM

Further to the above and just released.

Hamas' armed wing said on Monday it will begin executing an Israeli civilian captive in return for any new Israeli bombing of civilian houses without pre-warning.

Hamas armed wing spokesman Abu Obaida said they have been acting in accordance with Islamic instructions by keeping the Israeli captives safe and sound.

He blamed the intended move on Israel's stepped-up bombing and killing of civilians inside their homes in air strikes without warning them.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/hamas-announces-it-will-begin-to-execute-hostages-and-post-video-evidence-online-for-every-israeli-airstrike-as-prime-minister-benjamin-netanyahu-orders-israel-s-defence-forces-to-besiege-gaza/ar-AA1hVZYF?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8b65f7b632f043439cd9d9e90cace28d&ei=13

Aktungbby

10-09-23, 01:44 PM

Nothing new here: https://teachinghistory.org/history-content/ask-a-historian/22693 After noting that 20 American POWs died as a result of the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima, according to Japanese military commanders, and that between one and three American prisoners may have been killed by the Japanese after the bombing, Richard B. Frank states, “The average number of Allied prisoners of war or civilian internees who died each day of the effects of captivity at the hands of the Japanese easily doubled this toll.”

In a radio broadcast on the night of August 9, 1945, hours after the U.S. dropped the second atomic bomb on Japan, President Harry S. Truman linked the use of the bomb to the treatment by the Japanese of American prisoners of war: “Having found the bomb we have used it. We have used it against those who attacked us without warning at Pearl Harbor, against those who have starved and beaten and executed American prisoners of war, against those who have abandoned all pretense of obeying international laws of warfare. We have used it in order to shorten the agony of war, in order to save the lives of thousands and thousands of young Americans.” In a letter two days later, Truman wrote, “nobody is more disturbed over the use of Atomic bombs than I am, but I was greatly disturbed by the unwarranted attack by the Japanese on Pearl Harbor and their murder of our prisoners of war.” https://www.wgbh.org/culture/2022-10-12/forgotten-prisoners-who-survived-the-nagasaki-bombing-are-remembered-in-new-book 8 more were killed at Nagasaki in the the 2 POW camps located there in the camp that was just over a mile from the detonation point, they were really lucky. There were nearly 200 prisoners there and only eight of them were killed because they were mainly inside buildings. And outside where, in the open air as it were, ordinary Japanese civilians on the same radius from the detonation point died in very large numbers. So they're extremely lucky.

The second camp, which is actually where the Americans were, was about 4 or 5 miles away from the detonation point. They lost all the windows, roofs were blown off, they were blown off their feet. But they survived. And the bomb has actually been dropped not at the designated target, because they were running out of fuel. And if they'd have dropped it where it should have been dropped, then that second camp, the one with the Americans in it, would have been destroyed.

Skybird

10-09-23, 01:59 PM

Netanhayu now says over 900 Israeli got killed.

Israel has a population of short of 9.5 million.

Germany has a population of I think around 84 million, the US around 325 million.

What would these governments say and do if say 8500 Germans or 34,000 Americans got killed in such an attack?

Germany would talk a lot and do little because it cannot.

America would talk the talk and then walk the walk and take revenge.

Whatever the Israelis are up to do, it is not up to anybody to criticise them.

vanjast

10-09-23, 02:05 PM

Does anyone know about that BBC film production (war) in Aleppo area around 2020/1, some say it was a big production done on the quiet.

Ladies and Gentlemen, we re looking at the same MO as Ukraine, implemented by the same people. It's a trap to draw in all mercs and fundementalists and to blast the sh.t out of them, as done in the ukraine. In doing so armies for hire (and useless tic-tok wokes high on war selfies) are in future not available for more 3-letter agency nonsense around the world.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/reWEmMgskaHc/
If the above vid is anything to go by, there's no need to attack israel as it's 95% (or so jabbed). Hammas can wait it out, then just walk in, anywhere from 5 years onwards, but that would still leave the mercs.. etc.

There are rumours that Hammas, like ISIS are all part of the same 3-letter agency.. to distract your vision.
:03:

Dargo

10-09-23, 02:10 PM

Does anyone know about that BBC film production (war) in Aleppo area around 2020/1, some say it was a big production done on the quiet.

Ladies and Gentlemen, we re looking at the same MO as Ukraine, implemented by the same people. It's a trap to draw in all mercs and fundementalists and to blast the sh.t out of them. In doing so armies for hire are in future not available for more 3-letter agency nonsense around the world.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/reWEmMgskaHc/
If the above vid is anything to go by, there's no need to attack israel as it's 95% (or so jabbed). Hammas can wait it out, then just walk in anywhere from 5 years onwards, but that would still leave the mercs.. etc.

There are rumours that Hammas, like ISIS are all part of the same 3-letter agency.. to distract your vision.
:03:Please don't just don't we're talking of people dying here, this is not the thread to troll feeding time is over.

Dargo

10-09-23, 02:15 PM

Hamas says it is open to talks on a truce. So says a Hamas representative in an interview with Al Jazeera. He states that Hamas has achieved its "goals. What Hamas will demand in talks with Israel is not clear. Israel has not yet commented on possible talks on a truce.

Oct 9 (Reuters) - A senior Hamas official said the group is open to discussions over a possible truce with Israel, having "achieved its targets." Moussa Abu Marzouk told Al Jazeera in a phone interview that Hamas was open to "something of that sort" and "all political dialogues" when asked whether the Islamist group is willing to discuss a possible ceasefire. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-official-says-group-is-open-discussions-over-truce-with-israel-2023-10-09/

Jeff-Groves

10-09-23, 02:31 PM

Dargo

10-09-23, 02:48 PM

Take them in to talk then publicly execute every one of them that shows up.
Consider the hostages as lost and execute 100 for every hostage in return.
Then raze the whole area to the ground as a warning.

Then tell them "We've achived our objectives so We're ready to talk."The Hamas's leaders live in 5-star Qatari hotels, they're not exposed to any of this and will not show up. And it does not matter in a couple of hours Israel will begin its operations.

mapuc

10-09-23, 03:03 PM

The Hamas's leaders live in 5-star Qatari hotels, they're not exposed to any of this and will not show up. And it does not matter in a couple of hours Israel will begin its operations.

In a video I saw some hours ago, said that IDF would begin operation in Gaza within 48 to 72 hours from now. The video was 10 hours old when I saw it.

Markus

Dargo

10-09-23, 03:19 PM

In a video I saw some hours ago, said that IDF would begin operation in Gaza within 48 to 72 hours from now. The video was 10 hours old when I saw it.

MarkusAfter the IDF has secured the Gaza borders and his northern border with Lebanon, think they will go in, there are images of a massive build up by the IDF.

mapuc

10-09-23, 03:29 PM

After the IDF has secured the Gaza borders and his northern border with Lebanon, think they will go in, there are images of a massive build up by the IDF.

You could be right too-We'll see or hear about it during night time or tomorrow morning.

Markus

Rockstar

10-09-23, 04:53 PM

24 Hours Ago - “The United States has sent the USS Gerald R. Ford Carrier Strike Group to the Eastern Mediterranean. This includes the U.S. Navy aircraft carrier USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN-78), the Ticonderoga-class guided missile cruiser USS Normandy (CG 60), as well as the Arleigh-Burke-class guided missile destroyers USS Thomas Hudner (DDG 116), USS Ramage (DDG 61), USS Carney (DDG 64), and USS Roosevelt (DDG 80). We have also taken steps to augment U.S. Air Force F-35, F-15, F-16, and A-10 fighter aircraft squadrons in the region. The U.S. maintains ready forces globally to further reinforce this deterrence posture if required.

In addition, the United States government will be rapidly providing the Israel Defense Forces with additional equipment and resources, including munitions. The first security assistance will begin moving today and arriving in the coming days.

Strengthening our joint force posture, in addition to the materiel support that we will rapidly provide to Israel, underscores the United States' ironclad support for the Israel Defense Forces and the Israeli people. My team and I will continue to be in close contact with our Israeli counterparts to ensure they have what they need to protect their citizens and defend themselves against these heinous terrorist attacks.”

https://cdn-defesaaereanaval.nuneshost.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/USS-Gerald-R.-Ford-CSG-750x536.jpg

FINALLY just 3 Hours Ago: “Terror will not win, hatred will not prevail. Israel has every right to defend and to protect itself and its citizens. In this dark hour, Germany and France stand firmly by Israel's side.”

Europeans have lots of thoughts and prayers to send! And they’re also really good at being concerned. This time it’s even “widely condemned”. :yeah:

https://i.postimg.cc/vBSTHw4G/IMG-2911.jpg

Jeff-Groves

10-09-23, 05:01 PM

Europeans have lots of thoughts and prayers to send! And they’re also really good at being concerned. This time it’s even “widely condemned”.

I be all like,
"You all need to step your beetch arses back and watch this!"

mapuc

10-09-23, 05:01 PM

I remember the oil embargo in 1973, where we had car free Sundays.

Would OPEC do the same again ?
Then it was due to USA's and Europes help to Israel in their war against some Arabic countries.

I don't think so.

Markus

Skybird

10-09-23, 05:06 PM

Jeff-Groves

10-09-23, 05:09 PM

If they did that? Congress has the Constitutional authority to grant letters of Marque. Privateers could then take Ships full of oil!
Sure it breaks an International Law the USA signed.
Like any other Nation don't break those every day.

mapuc

10-09-23, 05:17 PM

They will go in and leave no stone unturned. This terror attack was too huge and serious as if they will do half work only. I would not be surprised if they take whatever it needs to indeed kill Hamas once and for all.

Myself, thats what I woudl do, yes. And if that needs all Gaza taken down, then so be it.

This time they must not stop before the job really is done. In the past they allowed global opinion to stop them too early, while not being fully committed themselves, too.

Not this time.

I'm on the same line as you. No mercy this time.

Markus

Otto Harkaman

10-09-23, 05:36 PM

I was wondering about this, if proxy war Iran (using HAMAS) then has broken the recent Israeli/Saudi diplomacy.

Only one source so could be fake

Saudi Arabia makes a big announcement over relations with Israel

Saudi Arabia has terminated all negotiations regarding normalizing relations with Israel. The decision to halt negotiations raises questions about regional diplomacy and the future of Middle East security. The sudden shift in Saudi policy may not be entirely clear at this point, but it can be speculated that the recent escalation of violence between Israel and Palestine might have played a significant role in this decision.

https://timesofislamabad.com/digital_images/large/2023-10-09/breaking-saudi-arabia-makes-a-big-announcement-over-relations-with-israel-1696871054-5004.jpeg
https://timesofislamabad.com/digital_images/large/2023-10-09/breaking-saudi-arabia-makes-a-big-announcement-over-relations-with-israel-1696871054-5004.jpeg

Hamas attack delivers major blow to Biden's push for Saudi-Israel normalization

President Biden's painstaking campaign to strike a historic peace deal between Saudi Arabia and Israel was delivered a blow by Hamas' surprise invasion of Israel.

https://ground.news/article/israel-saudi-normalization-falls-casualty-of-hamas-attack_b5a2b5

Skybird

10-09-23, 05:47 PM

I was wondering about this, if proxy war Iran (using HAMAS) then has broken the recent Israeli/Saudi diplomacy.

Only one source so could be fake

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2887337&postcount=28

"For Hamas, its about torpedoing the peace process between Israel and Saudi Arabia. Its said that SA could be willing to sign a peace deal with Israel. Thjats why Hamas wants Israel to flatten parts of Gazta and kill as many civilians as possible. That creates healdines SA probably would not ignore, like Egypt already has threatened."

And maybe the Saudis are not so assured about their security and stability situation at home.

Skybird

10-09-23, 07:21 PM

The EU is already relativizing the announced suspension of payments to the Palestinian Arabs. Now they say that they are only suspended for as long as it takes to "review" the payments.

Armistead

10-09-23, 09:31 PM

They will go in and leave no stone unturned. This terror attack was too huge and serious as if they will do half work only. I would not be surprised if they take whatever it needs to indeed kill Hamas once and for all.

Myself, thats what I woudl do, yes. And if that needs all Gaza taken down, then so be it.

This time they must not stop before the job really is done. In the past they allowed global opinion to stop them too early, while not being fully committed themselves, too.

Not this time.

Year after year, a tit for a tat and it never ends.

“You might as well appeal against a thunderstorm as against these terrible hardships of war. War is cruelty, there is no use trying to reform it; the crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.”
― William Tecumseh Sherman

Onkel Neal

10-09-23, 10:05 PM

I've an awful feeling Israel will consider the loss of a hundred or so hostages acceptable this time round, especially when you consider there is a far right element in the present coalition government.

Honestly, I don't see a choice. Staging a terrorist incursion and then withdrawing with 100 hostages, if that stays Israel's hand on fighting back... it will become standard procedure for future attacks, of which there would be many and frequent.

https://nypost.com/2023/10/09/hamas-threatens-to-execute-israeli-hostages-on-camera/

“Any targeting of innocent civilians without warning will be met regretfully by executing one of the captives in our custody, and we will be forced to broadcast this execution,” said Abu Obeida, a Qassam Brigades spokesman.

If I was the leader in Israel, I would reply back, "For every Jewish hostage you kill, we will kill 10,000 Palestinians. Let's go.

Skybird

10-10-23, 01:50 AM

Honestly, I don't see a choice. Staging a terrorist incursion and then withdrawing with 100 hostages, if that stays Israel's hand on fighting back... it will become standard procedure for future attacks, of which there would be many and frequent.

https://nypost.com/2023/10/09/hamas-threatens-to-execute-israeli-hostages-on-camera/

If I was the leader in Israel, I would reply back, "For every Jewish hostage you kill, we will kill 10,000 Palestinians. Let's go.
Hamas WANTS Israel to kill scores of civilians.

Better solution might be to quickly introduce death penalty for terrorism, and then say: for every dead hostage we execute 500 Hamas terrorists in our prisons. These are the guys Hamas wants to free. For every mistreated, tortured, raped hostage, we execute 100 Hamas terrorists in our prisons. For every hostage paraded on TV, we execute 10 Hamas terrorists in our prisons.

em2nought

10-10-23, 02:47 AM

Hamas WANTS Israel to kill scores of civilians.

Better solution might be to quickly introduce death penalty for terrorism, and then say: for every dead hostage we execute 500 Hamas terrorists in our prisons. These are the guys Hamas wants to free. For every mistreated, tortured, raped hostage, we execute 100 Hamas terrorists in our prisons. For every hostage paraded on TV, we execute 10 Hamas terrorists in our prisons.

Sounds good to me. Maybe sew them up in a pigskin first. :03: Newly captured Hamas go to the head of the list after what they did recently.

I heard someone mention that if you went by the number killed versus total population butchering 1,000 Israelis was the equivalent of killing 20,000 Americans.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/tragic-story-israeli-couple-killed-170311162.html

Jimbuna

10-10-23, 05:52 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8ol1znjHpE

Jimbuna

10-10-23, 05:56 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRlW2tXuge8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgW0PQEKrBk

Moonlight

10-10-23, 06:01 AM

Read this today in a National Newspaper.

Arab League foreign ministers are set to meet to discuss 'the Israeli aggression' against Gaza, the group said.

Wow, "Israeli Aggression?", shouldn't that be "Israeli Retaliation?", those Arabs sure do speak with forked tongues, I just love how they've spun it in the Palestinians favour, that must be one of the reasons the "Arab League" is viewed as the laughing stock of the world, just like the "UN" and the "WHO" is.

It looks as if Israel will not only be fighting the Palestinians but fighting a Media war as well.

Jimbuna

10-10-23, 06:03 AM

Israel as usual will beat them all.

Jimbuna

10-10-23, 06:27 AM

If I was the leader in Israel, I would reply back, "For every Jewish hostage you kill, we will kill 10,000 Palestinians. Let's go.

That would work for me :yep:

But meanwhile, down on the ranch...

The EU has been plunged into a diplomatic row after an announcement that it was to suspend “all payments” to Palestinians as a result of Hamas’s attacks on Israel led to clashes with several member states including Ireland, Spain and the Netherlands.

After six hours scrambling for an explanation the European Commission appeared to backpedal on an announcement made by the commissioner for neighbourhood and enlargement, Olivér Várhelyi, saying: “There will be no suspension of payments” – but muddied the waters by saying there were “no payments foreseen”.

:nope:

Skybird

10-10-23, 06:32 AM

I heard someone mention that if you went by the number killed versus total population butchering 1,000 Israelis was the equivalent of killing 20,000 Americans.

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2887585&postcount=87

Jimbuna

10-10-23, 06:35 AM

Sounds good to me. Maybe sew them up in a pigskin first. :03: Newly captured Hamas go to the head of the list after what they did recently.

I heard someone mention that if you went by the number killed versus total population butchering 1,000 Israelis was the equivalent of killing 20,000 Americans.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/tragic-story-israeli-couple-killed-170311162.html

I've read that when using the UK as the comparator the figure is 5000

em2nought

10-10-23, 09:31 AM

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2887585&postcount=87

Yes, I was thinking about those numbers thinking it should be more in the 30,000s

Of course 260,000 illegals crossed our border in September so our number would ever be climbing upward.

Jeff-Groves

10-10-23, 12:18 PM

Just imagine if 5% of those are planning/involved in bad stuff.
:o
That's 13,000 in a Month. Now go on for 12 months!
That's 156,000 invaders!

Jimbuna

10-10-23, 12:37 PM

Seen some truly disgusting video footage online today, much of it involving the brutal slaying of children and babies.

The piece below of these two animals at work isn't anywhere near as bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSiyIH1qVFI

Jeff-Groves

10-10-23, 12:45 PM

I say spend the billions of dollars to bomb them back into the Stone Age.
Might only set them back a few decades but well worth the cost.
Some Humans don't deserve to live!

Jimbuna

10-10-23, 12:48 PM

The four nations including Ireland who blocked EU suspending funds to Palestine.

Spain, Denmark, Ireland and Luxembourg have been named as the countries which rejected a move by the European Commission to put more than $728 million of aid under review.

Most surprisingly in my eyes is the fact that Britain is also still willing to continue providing aid for Palestine.

Jeff-Groves

10-10-23, 12:55 PM

The USA should STOP any aid to all Countries if a single penny is givin to them.
That includes Britian.
Now I may have to take down my British Flag! WTF!

mapuc

10-10-23, 01:02 PM

Here in Denmark a majority of the parties incl. the government is against a money blockade.

Markus

Jimbuna

10-10-23, 01:16 PM

I reckon Gaza is going to be in need of a whole lot more virgins before the night is out.

Jeff-Groves

10-10-23, 01:31 PM

Well Jesus can't come back cause they can't come up with 3 Wise men and a Virgin in the Middle East.
Good luck on finding 72 Virgins for each of the Hamas Cowards.

Onkel Neal

10-10-23, 02:38 PM

Supergirl!

The Hamas was no much for an intrepid 25-year-old Israeli woman — who saved an entire kibbutz from harm by leading a group of residents to kill more than two dozen advancing terrorists, including five she slaughtered herself.

Inbar Lieberman, the security coordinator of Kibbutz Nir Am since December 2022, heard explosions early Saturday, when the terrorists launched their unprecedented attack on the Jewish state, according to Walla News.

She realized that the sounds were different than those heard during the usual rocket attacks on the kibbutz — located near Sderot and a stone’s throw from the Gaza Strip.

So Lieberman rushed to open the armory, distributed guns to the 12-member security team and coordinated their decisive response amid the unfolding attack.

She placed her squad of kibbutzniks in strategic positions across the settlement and set up ambushes that caught the gunmen off guard and turned the tables on them during their mission to inflict mass casualties.

Lieberman killed five terrorists by herself, while the others gunned down 20 more over four hours as they turned Nir Am into an impenetrable fortress — while nearby kibbutzim suffered heavy losses, Walla News reported.

https://nypost.com/2023/10/10/israeli-woman-25-hailed-as-hero-for-killing-terrorists-leading-security-team-at-kibbutz/

Skybird

10-10-23, 02:50 PM

I reckon Gaza is going to be in need of a whole lot more virgins before the night is out.
The Israelis will suffer heavy losses, too. We tlak about house-to-house combat with new weapons, drones, where tanks are of limited use (Israeli experience), we talk of firefights man against man of an intensity thjat probbaly also surpasses that we see in Ukraine, because Gaza is urban territory, Ukraine is wide, open natural places. So, the terrosists will lkoose many more than the Israleis, but the Israeli will also9 suffer anythign but light losses, both KIAs and WIA's. Many of the men living in Israel sicn edecades carry their truamata from the last wars even today.

I would not accept to do things this way. Thats why I would let air force and artillery have to to turn the place into a pig'S breakfast, to flatten hideouts, booby-traps, mines. Still, there are tunnely, and plenty of them, and subterranean bunkers, locaitosn Israel does not all know.

I expect this to become extremely intense and extremely bloody. But I see no alternative. Im feeling sad for every Israeli needing to do his part in this battle. But again: there is no alternative.

----------

_Seeing the back and fiorth over payments to the Arabs, the EU gives an absolutely disgusting, pitiful sight. They illustrate with passion why in strategic global affairs nobody takes them serious. They should simply shut up and step aside. But we know that the longer the war lasts, the louder they will start lecturing Israel again.

mapuc

10-10-23, 02:55 PM

It is the children I'm concerned about- Otherwise I say go in full level the cities to ashes in Gaza.

Markus

Skybird

10-10-23, 03:02 PM

mapuc

10-10-23, 03:20 PM

German funding for a deeply corrupt, terrorist society.

https://www-theeuropean-de.translate.goog/roderich-kiesewetter/keine-rente-fuer-maertyrer/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Germany finances pensions for terrorists and calls that humjanitarian aid. It pays severla NGOs that are terrorist. There is no unity on to stop that.

https://www-theeuropean-de.translate.goog/oliver-stock/deutschland-finanziert-diese-sechs-organisationen-die-israel-als-terrornah-einstuft/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

The Same here in Denmark and in Sweden-Parliament is financing Gaza's government-Read Hamas.
There has been critical voices throughout the years.

But no-Each year millions of Euros is being posted in Gaza and NGO's

Edit
Just heard that the Danish Government has put the next payment to Gaza on hold until further notice.
End edit

Markus

Jeff-Groves

10-10-23, 03:33 PM

Still, there are tunnely, and plenty of them, and subterranean bunkers,
Gas them with deadly gases!
When the rats crawl out? Gun them down.
Play War on their level.

If the bleeding heart people whine and protest? Pack them on a plane and send them over to see how they like it up close and personnal.

Otto Harkaman

10-10-23, 03:52 PM

disclaimer: al jazeera

https://youtu.be/d5slJTFa-u8?si=98s70hsoWolYBtoU
https://youtu.be/Lb3v8M8dzic?si=uYUwAUGEwMpkgW8x

mapuc

10-10-23, 04:47 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i8b-2Ck0UI&ab_channel=Military%26History

Markus

Otto Harkaman

10-10-23, 05:17 PM

https://youtu.be/diQd36827mQ?si=w4KWe5vtoJG6KXnJ
https://youtu.be/EQ_Ibuyzjdg?si=2_4N33j2HStmcihb

Skybird

10-10-23, 05:36 PM

https://www.dw.com/en/ground-war-in-gaza-will-be-bloody-and-messy-carlo-masala-bundeswehr-university/video-67058316

Otto Harkaman

10-10-23, 07:06 PM

Here is my historylegends guy again, no one liked the Ukraine one I posted. Even though they didn't watch it to form a real opinion. I think he gives a good analysis in his videos. Yes they are long but if you watch I think you will agree he gives good battlefield intelligence.

Interesting around 16:00 he states HAMAS fighters are using shoulder AA weapons gotten from Ukraine? US weapons provided to Ukraine end up in the hands of HAMAS?

https://youtu.be/Ro-ERnn7-uo?si=ppQRm77NPwvovkHF

Commander Wallace

10-10-23, 10:19 PM

Eisenwurst

10-11-23, 03:59 AM

russia captured them in Ukraine and passed them on, via iran.

Skybird

10-11-23, 04:46 AM

https://www.nzz.ch/international/israel-und-die-hamas-haeuserkampf-in-gaza-birgt-enorme-gefahren-ld.1760167?_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_sl=auto

Jimbuna

10-11-23, 05:05 AM

Gaza's only power station will run out of fuel today, the Palestinian Energy Authority says
Earlier this week, Israel announced a siege of Gaza - cutting its supplies of electricity, fuel, and water
People in Gaza are seeking shelter in schools and hospitals as Israeli jets attack targets
The Israeli military says hundreds of thousands of troops are near Gaza "ready to execute the mission we have been given"
The death toll in Israel has reached 1,200 - while more than 1,000 people have been killed by Israeli air strikes on Gaza
At the other end of the country, Israel has attacked Lebanese territory in response to an an attack from Hezbollah
And the BBC has learned that 17 UK nationals are dead or missing since Hamas launched its attacks on Saturday

Jimbuna

10-11-23, 05:08 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqR6UufZLwE

mapuc

10-11-23, 06:27 AM

In the video I posted in #117
Said that in some areas near Gaza little children down to 1 year old had been beheaded-He could NOT get any confirmation on this matter.

I truly hope it is fake news- No one can be that evil

Edit
It should be around 40 babies in Kfar Aza-kibbutzen.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/10/middleeast/israel-kibbutzim-kfar-aza-beeri-urim-hamas-attack-intl/index.html
End edit

Markus

Jimbuna

10-11-23, 06:37 AM

Not fake at all Markus and viewable online if you know where to look.

And NO I'm not prepared to point toward links....the dead deserve better than that.

mapuc

10-11-23, 06:41 AM

Not fake at all Markus and viewable online if you know where to look.

And NO I'm not prepared to point toward links....the dead deserve better than that.

Thanks but no thanks-I can live without it.

Makes me so sad.

I understand why Israel will level the Gaza to rubble.

Markus

Skybird

10-11-23, 08:27 AM

I wish the mainstream media WOULD show it. Too many people in the West still run around and think they know everythign better. How should they ever become humble and have a chance to learn if they are always saved from the grim and cruel faces of truth?

A strength. a quality is beign raised and fostered not by saving yourself from it, but exposing yourself to it. But many Westerners are sugar-coated cereal-dwarfs, and thery cry when their usual noontime latte maciato comes ten minutes too late.

The world is not cute and friendly. Nature tries to kill us. So do other people. Live with it, and adapt. Or dont, and sooner or later die out.

Rockstar

10-11-23, 10:15 AM

Once Eisenhower learned of what was going on in concentration camps he called in the media to make sure everyone in the world knew what went on. As for the SS guards in those camps they were all summarily shot on sight.

mapuc

10-11-23, 10:25 AM

I wish the mainstream media WOULD show it. Too many people in the West still run around and think they know everythign better. How should they ever become humble and have a chance to learn if they are always saved from the grim and cruel faces of truth?

From the experience I have from the Ukraine war-I can say that a huge number of people will say:

It's Westly propaganda, nothing but MS bs.

I do not doubt it anymore-There is people who really are evil.

I say we should not act as evil as they do. Some children may get killed or wounded in some of the bombardments but it is not on purpose.

Markus

Onkel Neal

10-11-23, 12:21 PM

Now, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 ...countdown for the media saturation of poor, besieged Hamas women and children, wailing in the rubble, squeezing a few drops of water from a bombed out well.

They'll soon regret those sunny days of cheering and waving under flags and banners "Death to Israel" to the Hamas terrorists on parade in the streets of Gaza.

Jimbuna

10-11-23, 12:31 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-REMVPbvrA

Otto Harkaman

10-11-23, 05:25 PM

https://youtu.be/RRGkgmuK9Hw?si=rr4Wp7EFra5_RLJQ
https://youtu.be/4W1HvBZPlIA?si=uCY5Cb4BIj9xs1KV

Skybird

10-12-23, 01:21 AM

https://www.nzz.ch/meinung/hamas-israel-deutsche-islampolitik-ist-gescheitert-ld.1760176?_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_sl=auto

The German posiiton is unexcusable. The masscre gets celebrated on streets in our biggest cities, the fianncin of terrorist organsiations that are recongiosed as such be 20 of 28 EU countries continues, Scholz expects the visit of and dinner with the Emir of Quatar whioh is one of the biggest financiers of Hamas in the Arab world (its about gas), and suspicous ties of our foreign minister Baerbock to Iran are apparently the reason why she blocks the end of payments to 6 NGOs that are proxys of Hamas and are rated as such by the huge majority of Western nations.

The Greens always were terrorist whisperers. They for example were very close and dear with FARC in Colombia.

Germany. 'nuff said.

Jimbuna

10-12-23, 05:03 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpidrjV_YjY

mapuc

10-12-23, 10:41 AM

He ask a good question in his video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFshrA7m9h0&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

Moonlight

10-12-23, 11:34 AM

Palestinian crocodile tears will flood the media airways while ever the Press, the UN and any other organisation are in Gaza. The Israeli dead will be forgotten as Hamas trot out the same old sob stories, it's so bleeding predictable as they've played the same tune in the past time and time again. The UN should know this as their backs are still wet from last time, but those dickheads never learn from it. What the Press, the UN and Governments should do is find out where all this aid money is going, because from what I've seen so far, it's not going where it should have been going.

Jimbuna

10-12-23, 12:45 PM

Blinken is currently on a mission to try and prevent what must surely come as Israeli patience comes to an end.

Jimbuna

10-12-23, 12:52 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM7pIMofQbo

em2nought

10-12-23, 06:37 PM

If more aid money is given the first of it should be allotted to provide to every household in the western world a coffee table book in color of all the graphic images of what barbarism Hamas just did to start this ball rolling. :up:

We should be seeing the images as disturbing as they might be as we'll for sure see images from the other camp and their cronies the western media jackals.

Jimbuna

10-13-23, 05:56 AM

Israel is telling everyone in north Gaza - about 1.1 million people - to relocate to the south of the Strip in the next 24 hours, according to the UN
A Israel Defense Forces spokesman said the military knew it would take longer than that to move everyone but blamed Hamas for telling people to ignore the order
Israel has massed hundreds of thousands of soldiers on the border ahead of an expected ground offensive into the densely populated enclave
The UN called on Israel to withdraw the order, warning of "devastating humanitarian consequences"
Hamas kidnapped at least 150 people and took them into Gaza during deadly attacks on Israel at the weekend that killed 1,300 people
More than 1,500 people have been killed in Gaza since Israel launched retaliatory air strikes, which continue
A total blockade is being enforced with fuel, food and water running out. Israel says it won't lift the restrictions unless Hamas frees all hostages
Elsewhere, three Jewish schools in north London have told parents they won't be opening today, citing safety concerns

Jimbuna

10-13-23, 06:05 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taZB-dvsg9c

Moonlight

10-13-23, 06:49 AM

Moment BBC reporter falls to his knees and weeps while reporting inside Gaza hospital as he describes 'seeing things I can never unsee' - before cameraman also breaks down in tears

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12626679/Moment-BBC-reporter-breaks-tears-reporting-inside-Gaza-hospital-sees-things-never-unseen-amid-Israeli-bombardment.html

Typical BBC Crocodile Tears, they'll be due a large BBC Bonus for that show of Palestinian support, this is why I refuse to listen to or watch any of the BBC News Services. I didn't see any of the BBC Press dropping to their knees in Israel over the last week, when these BBC currants show their bias so blatantly then they don't deserve to be called a Press Reporter, but a supporter of terrorism instead.

These stories will keep intensifying over the next week and the BBC will be a major player in that Media War.

Skybird

10-13-23, 07:22 AM

Two days ago there was an explanation by one of BBC's senior correspondents on why they call Hamas terrorists not terrorists, but anything, fighters for exmaple. He claime dit is due to neutrally reporting facts and leaving it to people to interprete them. He thus implied the evil of the deeds Hamas does lies in the eye of the beholder. Where I insist on that the malice on display is an obkjective fact.

It was a masterpiece of underhanded cynical drivel like I have never read from the BBC. And he even meant it serious, giving me the impression he was not at all aware what he was saioyng there, what he implied. - That illustrates better than anything that there is a deep-rooting antipathy, if not hostility towards Israel, and Jews.

Disgusting, this typical endless relativism. I dispise relativists since long time. - I forgot the man's name, but he is one of BBCs big names, old, rounder, grey hair.

------------

Gaza people are told to flee formt he north, 1.1 million people. But hamas terrorists stop them and hinder them to flee. That was to be expected, they are scum.

Also, the only exit to Egypt currently is closed.

Jimbuna

10-13-23, 10:49 AM

I forgot the man's name, but he is one of BBCs big names, old, rounder, grey hair.

Jeremy Bowen perhaps?
https://i.postimg.cc/m26HfGnC/images.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Also, the only exit to Egypt currently is closed.

Egypt are hypocrites, they don't want Hamas or any of their supporters on their territory for fear of shifting the problem closer to home.

Skybird

10-13-23, 10:55 AM

No, more hair.

It could have been Attenborough, but I am not certain.
It was on top of page one of the BBC website that day, just 2, 3 days ago.

Jimbuna

10-13-23, 11:01 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v1niD6uDfo

Dargo

10-13-23, 11:12 AM

Jeremy Bowen perhaps?
https://i.postimg.cc/m26HfGnC/images.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Egypt are hypocrites, they don't want Hamas or any of their supporters on their territory for fear of shifting the problem closer to home.For Egypt Hamas is Muslim Brotherhood they hate them president Abdel-Fattah al-Sisi has destroyed the Muslim Brotherhood and will not allow Hamas in its country.

Dargo

10-13-23, 11:49 AM

Israeli ground forces have already conducted raids in the Gaza Strip over the past 24 hours, AFP news agency reported. The military went there in search of kidnapped Israelis in anticipation of the announced ground offensive in Palestinian territory. "Over the past 24 hours, Israeli army forces have carried out local raids within the territory of the Gaza Strip" to search for "terrorists" and "weapons," according to an Israeli army statement. During these operations, tanks and infantry troops also made attempts "to find hostages."

Jimbuna

10-13-23, 12:05 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdlTEwdd_tI

vanjast

10-13-23, 05:06 PM

Please don't just don't we're talking of people dying here, this is not the thread to troll feeding time is over.
I am not trolling, and quiet serious about this.. You lot are so gullible, it's just unbelievable.

Were you around for that girls testimony in the UN, and the Iraqis killing babies (incubators)... Ended up being a big lie... but the US and Nato went to war on these emotional lies

Same story here.. a few emotional lies and we have a 'cause', and people stop thinking straight.

Look at the sequence of events... Covid conn... big emotional load of sh.t.. that all disappeared once 'Putin'/Russia, so called invaded ukraine (still a russian territory - History helps here)... a year's worth of grainy useless videos to tell you that there's a war on.. :har:

and then out of the blue, hamas attacks israel... undetected... REALLY! (ffs).. and we all forget about Ukraine, as we previously forgotten about Convid. And more grainy videos and 'horrific' acts by both sides.. so emotional again.. and nobody is thinking, and quoting videos as 'proof'.. again just like the good old convid times.

I hope you've picked up on the pattern. :03:
The key question is... 'Who is controlling the media?'
:up:

vanjast

10-13-23, 05:16 PM

It's nothing more than a 'World Sting' operation.. Trap, just as..
- Last USA election
- Convid scam
- Ukraine war
- Hamas/Israel war
- Phark knows what they'll think up next... but I think this is the Finale. :03:

All coming soon to the theatre near you.

Jimbuna

10-14-23, 08:53 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpGVFRTTFPQ

em2nought

10-14-23, 09:40 AM

That sounds like pretty good news actually. :up:

mapuc

10-14-23, 09:43 AM

Israeli official says government cannot confirm babies were beheaded in Hamas attack
https://archive.ph/S0ZA3

Markus

Jimbuna

10-14-23, 10:01 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd1MKv_Ggj0

Otto Harkaman

10-14-23, 01:00 PM

https://youtu.be/ePBsqp2krfI?si=AcBbvt0zcOdWLKKs
https://youtu.be/k2eg_XHkPAI?si=9bUzknRpygR3UOHX

Otto Harkaman

10-14-23, 02:07 PM

https://youtu.be/Sf6xl5HHchw?si=Y0A-pmI9GdwuJl9O

Qatar, Iran, Turkey and beyond: The galaxy of Hamas supporters
https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20231014-qatar-iran-turkey-and-beyond-the-galaxy-of-hamas-supporters
https://s.france24.com/media/display/18c23670-69de-11ee-8769-005056bf30b7/w:980/p:16x9/AP23230456121441.webp

Rockstar

10-14-23, 02:30 PM

https://i.postimg.cc/Ssn9pkX8/IMG-2940.jpg

mapuc

10-14-23, 04:44 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq8ygEPDkK4&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

Dargo

10-14-23, 05:44 PM

Mr. Security now war premier, but 'Netanyahu has completely lost confidence'
"Netanyahu is responsible for this war between Israel and Hamas," the critical Israeli newspaper Haaretz headlined a day (https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/editorial/2023-10-08/ty-article-opinion/netanyahu-bears-responsibility/0000018b-0b9d-d8fc-adff-6bfd1c880000) after Hamas' bloody terror attack. A few days later, the same newspaper, in a scathing column (https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2023-10-11/ty-article-opinion/.premium/netanyahu-a-gang-leader-who-cant-go-on-serving-as-israels-pm/0000018b-1b59-df31-a99f-7fdb49cc0000), called the prime minister a "gang leader" who cannot stay on. Among the population, Netanyahu's popularity has fallen to an all-time low. A recent poll shows that four in five Israeli Jews hold Netanyahu and his government responsible for last week's attack. A majority of them want Netanyahu to leave when the war is over. They include many who previously did support his government. Residents of Israel are furious that Mr. Security, as the prime minister is often called, failed to protect the country from the largest attack on civilians in the country's history. The Hamas terror attack last week killed and kidnapped hundreds of Israelis in the south of the country.

"The criticism of Netanyahu has only increased since last week," said Bart Wallet, professor of Jewish history at the University of Amsterdam. The top army commander acknowledged shortcomings this week, but Netanyahu took no responsibility for his political failures. It took a week for the prime minister to visit the affected kibbutzim. "He did not speak to the press and did not speak to victims," said Noa Schonmann, Middle East expert and researcher at Leiden University. "In comments and on social media, there has been a lot of criticism. Even voters who first supported him are saying: Bibi must go." In Israeli politics, the ranks are closing and Netanyahu, with opposition support, is now leading a war cabinet. This government of national unity will deal with the war against Hamas in the Gaza Strip. Opposition leader and former Prime Minister Lapid supports the war being waged, but does not want to cooperate with the "extremists" in the war cabinet. By this he is referring to Ben Gvir, the minister of national security, and Smotrich, finance minister. They are known as radical right-wing and ultranationalist. Lapid called the attack an "unforgivable mistake" and said the politicians who "started this cannot fix it." But Netanyahu refused to show his far-right coalition partners the door.

Critics say the government has recently been concerned only with securing its own position. They were also busy protecting illegal settlers in the West Bank at the expense of security in other parts of the country. There was already widespread criticism among Israelis of the government's policy of bending the rule of law to its will. Large-scale protests were held for months. "The country is divided to the bone," Wallet said. "Over democracy, the position of minorities and whether it should be a secular or religious state." Those divisions are now giving way to unity among the population. "Now everyone is in the throes of war," he says. There is a strong feeling in Israel that this may be the most vulnerable moment in the country's existence. "There is no doubt that Israelis support this war against Hamas," Schonmann said. "The shock is still great. The enemy is holding their people hostage." There is also fear that the country may be attacked again, for example by Hezbollah from Lebanon. Whether Netanyahu will eventually be held politically responsible and have to step down is the big question. The longest-serving prime minister has reinvented himself several times in recent years and kept coming back despite major scandals.

"He has a big political bag of tricks," Wallet said. "Netanyahu is someone with many political lives."

em2nought

10-15-23, 01:39 AM

Rules of engagement should allow for pumping poison gas into tunnels if your enemies are terrorists. Seems a much better solution than going in and ferreting them out. I'm sure Hamas would poison gas the entire nation of Israel if they could. :hmmm: It would be nice for Israelis to get to poison gas somebody else for a change, especially some fanatics.

CNN was just announcing that a reporter had been killed in Gaza. Sounded like a good start to me. LOL

Exocet25fr

10-15-23, 03:59 AM

FORTUNATLY it's not your COUNTRY.....!:D

https://www.agoravox.fr/local/cache-vignettes/L620xH439/Carte_Palestine_evolution-9dbb5-33cf3.jpg

Jimbuna

10-15-23, 06:49 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQRFhUiMU84

Jimbuna

10-15-23, 07:01 AM

The Israeli military will attack by land, air and sea, it says in a statement ahead of an expected ground offensive - but gives no timings or specifics
Israel has warned 1.1m Palestinians living in north Gaza to evacuate south, and thousands have been fleeing by vehicle or on foot
The UN's aid agency told the BBC that Gaza is "being pushed into an abyss"
The US has sent a second aircraft carrier to the region to "deter hostile actions against Israel". Meanwhile, Iran has warned of "far-reaching consequences" if Israel continues attacking
And tension is rising on Israel's northern border with Lebanon, too. An Israeli civilian has been killed near there by a missile fired from Lebanon
More than 1,300 people were killed in Israel last weekend when Hamas fighters crossed the border to attack civilians and soldiers
More than 2,300 people have been killed in Israel's bombing campaign of the Gaza Strip launched in the aftermath, Palestinian authorities say

Moonlight

10-15-23, 08:01 AM

Rules of Engagement?, do any terrorist organisation follow them?, I've never heard of any terror group that uses them so I'll assume that's a big fat No then.

Rules of Engagement are for idiotic governments, they tie the hands together of one side while the other one just does what the hell it wants.

New Rules of Engagement against terror organisations should be brought in and fast, a major terror war was recently lost because only one of the protagonists used these outdated rules. Kid glove tactics will never win against terror tactics and, someone should stand up and scream it out loud for everyone to hear. Hamas was voted in by their citizens, they are as guilty as the terrorists are, no amount of squealing for mercy should be given, "You called down the thunder, now reap the whirlwind".

em2nought

10-15-23, 08:30 AM

Maybe Israel should parachute food and water into the area that they want everyone to flee to, but any vehicles speeding back away from that area nicking the provisions for the terrorists is fair game. :hmmm:

This could help with the slanted press, if they'd report on it. They don't ever mention the knock bombs and warnings ahead of time, or that Hamas is telling everyone to stay as human shields so...

Dargo

10-15-23, 08:46 AM

Wow, it is all so easy behind your keyboards executing genocide HOW CREAT MUCH COURAGE!

mapuc

10-15-23, 09:34 AM

Wow, it is all so easy behind your keyboards executing genocide HOW CREAT MUCH COURAGE!

It seems like we lose war, just because we are strict on using ROE.

Does this mean I'm into killing thousands of civilians-In no way, but if some should get killed by some smartbomb who fail it targets or civilian where inside the target-Then be it.

One should take aim at the terrorist-It's them who is winning the wars.

Markus

Dargo

10-15-23, 10:12 AM

It seems like we lose war, just because we are strict on using ROE.

Does this mean I'm into killing thousands of civilians-In no way, but if some should get killed by some smartbomb who fail it targets or civilian where inside the target-Then be it.

One should take aim at the terrorist-It's them who is winning the wars.

MarkusA invasion of Gaza will not win this for Israel, it will not destroy Hamas for every killed Palestine civilian Hamas will get more than 10 volunteers Hamas gets millions yearly from Iran and certain Arab states. Their leadership lives in Qatar, so they will not suffer and with renewed funds go on. We made rules for wars, those are made for centuries to throw them overboard is going the way Russia gone, and it will not get you a win wars are not won on the battlefield but around the table.

Moonlight

10-15-23, 10:25 AM

Wow, it is all so easy behind your keyboards executing genocide HOW CREAT MUCH COURAGE!

Lets see what will happen if Hamas wins this conflict, do you think for one minute that Hamas will let them leave Israel to go elsewhere, if you believe that, then you're just the same as the rest of the Wests "Useful Stupid Idiots".

No matey, there'll be another Holocaust again and it'll make the 1940's Holocaust look like a monkeys bleeding tea party.
It wont stop until all the Israelis are dead, and that begs the question, how much would you like to donate towards an oven then?, $1 dollar or a $1000?, or are you one of those supporters who like to stay in the shadows so no fingers can be pointed at you?.
I'm sure Iran will be donating millions of dollars to that cause and, there'll be thousands of millions of dollars flooding in from every corner of the globe as well, and we all know what religion they are.

I don't do "Stupid" but apparently there are lots of people who do.

Dargo

10-15-23, 11:19 AM

Lets see what will happen if Hamas wins this conflict, do you think for one minute that Hamas will let them leave Israel to go elsewhere, if you believe that, then you're just the same as the rest of the Wests "Useful Stupid Idiots".

No matey, there'll be another Holocaust again and it'll make the 1940's Holocaust look like a monkeys bleeding tea party.
It wont stop until all the Israelis are dead, and that begs the question, how much would you like to donate towards an oven then?, $1 dollar or a $1000?, or are you one of those supporters who like to stay in the shadows so no fingers can be pointed at you?.
I'm sure Iran will be donating millions of dollars to that cause and, there'll be thousands of millions of dollars flooding in from every corner of the globe as well, and we all know what religion they are.

I don't do "Stupid" but apparently there are lots of people who do.I know what Hamas is and wants, seeing people here wishing some kind of genocide on the Gaza Palestinian civilians behind their keyboards I find stupid and naive to think this Hamas problem is solved it won't the hydra has not lost his heads and will with support from other states begin again with a largely bigger pool of fighters than before.

mapuc

10-15-23, 11:24 AM

The problem is:
Iran and Syria-Remove these two from the equation and Hamas as Hezbollah would most likely cease to exist

Markus

Platapus

10-15-23, 11:31 AM

Perhaps we can focus on discussing the issues instead of calling people stupid, which mostly means that they disagree with your opinion.

Exocet25fr

10-15-23, 12:43 PM

Yankees manipulated by Bibi.....:yep: he will never change!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-5hUG6Os68&list=PLr3Hcr8NfiqT1u3biii9_zwle0MvSRynQ

Jimbuna

10-15-23, 12:46 PM

Perhaps we can focus on discussing the issues instead of calling people stupid, which mostly means that they disagree with your opinion.

Sounds good to me.

Jimbuna

10-15-23, 01:02 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaAZY2rhpoo

Exocet25fr

10-15-23, 01:53 PM

Gaza's metro with their traps! Ouch!, Good luck to the new Tunnels Rats!:oops:

Dargo

10-15-23, 02:20 PM

A senior Israeli official told The Times of Israel that Israel has resumed water supply to the Gaza Strip. US National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan earlier told CNN that his Israeli counterparts had informed him of the decision to resume water supply to Gaza. A US lawmaker told The Times of Israel on Saturday, 14 October, that a senior Israeli official had indicated to them that Jerusalem would allow food, water and medicine into Gaza after imposing a siege on the area.

u crank

10-15-23, 02:34 PM

A senior Israeli official told The Times of Israel that Israel has resumed water supply to the Gaza Strip.

Southern Gaza.

em2nought

10-15-23, 06:43 PM

Wow, it is all so easy behind your keyboards executing genocide HOW CREAT MUCH COURAGE!

The only people you see here advocating genocide are the voices in your head. After having it perpetrated on them, I don't really picture Israel trying to genocide anyone.

If there is someone to blame for excess deaths, blame the cowards who hide behind the skirts of women and children after their bad acts.

Jimbuna

10-16-23, 05:25 AM

Israel's PM Benjamin Netanyahu has denied reports of a ceasefire to allow "foreigners out" of south Gaza and "humanitarian aid in"
US media had reported that Egypt could reopen the Rafah crossing for several hours from 09:00 local time (06:00 GMT) - but it is currently closed
Thousands of people are gathering in the hope of leaving Gaza ahead of an expected Israeli ground offensive
US nationals in Gaza had previously been told to move closer to the crossing, while US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said it "will be open" for aid without giving timings
Meanwhile, the Israeli military says it is evacuating 28 communities within 2km (1.24 miles) of the Lebanese border
US President Joe Biden has called on Israel to exercise caution, as its military prepares for a ground offensive in Gaza
More than 1,400 people in Israel were killed in Hamas attacks just over a week ago; Nearly 2,700 people in Gaza have been killed in Israel's retaliatory bombardment

Jimbuna

10-16-23, 05:38 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3z445mU6cA

Exocet25fr

10-16-23, 05:51 AM

Israel kills 2700 Palestinians in Gaza (including over 700 children) and 9700 wounded.....! :oops:

Jimbuna

10-16-23, 05:58 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UpClxURrSc

Skybird

10-16-23, 08:10 AM

The EU starts to show its ugly face again and implies relativisation of the barbarism of Hamas' terror. Not only did the EU immediately cancel the announcement to not fund Gaza anymore and instead said it wants to assess these again, no - it now has decided to start paying Gaza money again from immediately on. THREE TIMES AS MUCH as before. You read that right. Three times more money than before.

Driving powers behind this declaration of dispise for the murdered 1300 Israeli are Spain and Ireland, and some others.

Once a stinker, always a stinker.

Egypt meanwhile rejects to let Palestinains flee form Gaza on its soil, saying that this would let pressure out of the kettle of the Palestine quesiton. In other words, Egypt practices the same inhumane cynism in this argument like Hamas.

pfffft.

Jimbuna

10-16-23, 11:48 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOGaOEr8rUE

Jimbuna

10-16-23, 12:11 PM

Hamas's military wing says it has fired a "barrage of rockets" at Jerusalem and Tel Aviv - with sirens sending lawmakers to bomb shelters
UN aid chief Martin Griffiths says Gaza's health system and hospitals are "collapsing before our eyes" without water, fuel and medical supplies
He says the UN is in "deep discussions" to secure the passage of much-needed aid into the territory, which Israel has blockaded
But the crucial Rafah crossing from Egypt into Gaza has been hit by an air strike - the extent of the damage is unclear
Israel's military has updated the number of people it believes are being held hostage in Gaza - up from 155 to 199
They were kidnapped when Hamas gunmen infiltrated Israel just over a week ago, killing more than 1,400 people
UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak tells the House of Commons that at least six British people were among those killed, and 10 remain missing
More than 2,700 people in Gaza have been killed in retaliatory strikes by Israel, which is also blocking fuel, water, food and medical supplies from entering the territory
Thousands of people have been gathering close to the crossing with Egypt in the hope of leaving Gaza

Dargo

10-16-23, 12:13 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xbkakrwmFo

mapuc

10-16-23, 12:15 PM

^^^ I think if Iran should try to attack Israel, USA would take on Iran.

As Biden said-Don't, don't take advantage on the situation between Israel and Hamas.

Markus

Dargo

10-16-23, 12:24 PM

^^^ I think if Iran should try to attack Israel, USA would take on Iran.

As Biden said-Don't, don't take advantage on the situation between Israel and Hamas.

MarkusThat is why the carrier battle group is in the Mediterranean Sea to tell the surrounding countries "don't" try anything.

mapuc

10-16-23, 05:24 PM

That is why the carrier battle group is in the Mediterranean Sea to tell the surrounding countries "don't" try anything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGUfpiVPdzA&ab_channel=Military%26History

Markus

Rockstar

10-16-23, 06:10 PM

em2nought

10-16-23, 07:42 PM

Welp it’s starting. The US Military is preparing to send roughly around 2000 troops for potential deployment to support Israel against Gaza. Though we’ve been assured it is for humanitarian aid and assistance only.

Two words: BAD IDEA

Especially if you're one of those troops. I wouldn't want to rely on our commander in chief to have my back. :hmmm:

Otto Harkaman

10-16-23, 07:59 PM

https://news.usni.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/FT_10_16_23-660x370.jpg
You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.
Rahm Emanuel (https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/rahm-emanuel-quotes)

We are going to strike Iran's nuclear capacity

em2nought

10-17-23, 03:02 AM

https://news.usni.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/FT_10_16_23-660x370.jpg
We are going to strike Iran's nuclear capacity

That would be a long time in coming, ever since we tossed Saddam under the bus as the fall guy way back during the Cheney presidency. :D Maybe even before that. Maybe this is the peanut farmers dying request? :hmmm:

Jimbuna

10-17-23, 06:16 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQXDl-eJuf0

Jimbuna

10-17-23, 06:19 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jan-iU69SHE

Skybird

10-17-23, 12:42 PM

Many Arab states prefer an unresolved Palestinian issue. They do not want to give up their icon of the fight against Western capitalism The lack of solidarity among Arab states towards the Palestinians is based on fear of Hamas. Arab monarchs, Islamists, Israeli hardliners and Western leftists also use the Middle East conflict for their propaganda.

By Hamed Abdel-Samad, a man I respect much. He was once one of those hateful anti-Western radical "Islamists" himself. Now he is mercilessly brandmarking Islam as what it it is, says ther eis no difference between true Islam and Islamism and that that lie is just a selfdeception of Western "intellectuals", and calls Islam openly fascist. For that Western "progressives" wish him to hell, while there are fatwas against him and he lives under 24/7 protection.

https://www.nzz.ch/feuilleton/fehlende-solidaritaet-arabischer-staaten-mit-palaestina-ld.1761068?_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_sl=auto

Jimbuna

10-17-23, 01:21 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOHH-defuO4

Jimbuna

10-17-23, 01:27 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bVeVdAAr2E

mapuc

10-17-23, 01:28 PM

In a Danish article it is said there's a reason to why IDF hasn't invade Gaza yet. The reason is Hezbollah-Israel is afraid that they will make a massive attack from north when IDF start invading Gaza.

Markus

Jimbuna

10-17-23, 01:31 PM

^ Highly unlikely as the IDF have fought on both fronts before and maintained the upper hand.

The reason is probably the US wanting time to explore political outcomes.

mapuc

10-17-23, 01:45 PM

^ Highly unlikely as the IDF have fought on both fronts before and maintained the upper hand.

The reason is probably the US wanting time to explore political outcomes.

You could be right-I just wrote a summary on what it stood in this Danish article.

Here it is.

https://ekstrabladet-dk.translate.goog/nyheder/krigogkatastrofer/spektakulaer-teori-derfor-venter-de-stadig/9992147?_x_tr_sl=da&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=da&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Markus

Skybird

10-17-23, 01:51 PM

Its worth to note that the Hezbollah salvos are not blind salvos of rockets anymore, but are advanced guided missiles hitting individual tanks and targets that were aimed at. Hezbollah send contingents of its men to Syria to gain combat pratice, they proved to be much more efficient than the Syrian soldiers.

A war in the North will have totally different quality than what happens in Gaza.

Dargo

10-17-23, 02:34 PM

Not only the North is dangerous now the West Bank getting hot. In the wake of the suspected Israeli airstrike on Gaza's al-Ahli Hospital, crowds in the West Bank capital of Ramallah are chanting tonight against Palestinian Authority president Mahmoud Abbas "The people want to bring down the president!" think we are watching a planned event on the West Bank.

mapuc

10-17-23, 02:41 PM

My imagination ran away with me.

I was thinking into the near furture.

Israel invade Gaza, Hezbollah attack from north-Israel counter this attack and bombs lots of targets in southern Lebanon.
Syria and Iran attack Israel from Syria, later Iran send lots of ballistic missiles towards Israel.

And Israel is facing a four front war.
Which will drag USA and UK into the war.

As I said-My imagination ran away with me

Back to serious discussion

Markus

em2nought

10-17-23, 02:43 PM

Dargo

10-17-23, 02:45 PM

That strike might have been an errant Hamas rocket, it hasn't been determined yet.I know, but people on the West Bank will never believe that.

mapuc

10-17-23, 02:50 PM

That strike might have been an errant Hamas rocket, it hasn't been determined yet.

https://twitter.com/TheMossadIL/status/1714351611110154288

Edit
Some more information

IDF spokesperson:

From the analysis of the IDF's operational systems, an enemy rocket barrage was carried out towards Israel, which passed in the vicinity of the hospital, when it was hit.

According to intelligence information, from several sources we have, the PIJ organization is responsible for the failed shooting that hit the hospital.

https://twitter.com/TheMossadIL/status/1714366334555898075
End edit

Markus

mapuc

10-17-23, 05:00 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hKGV2FxDbc&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

Otto Harkaman

10-17-23, 06:36 PM

Footage proves terrorists to blame for Gaza hospital explosion

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu also rebuffed the Palestinians' accusations, writing on Twitter: "An analysis of IDF operational systems indicates that a barrage of rockets was fired by terrorists in Gaza, passing in close proximity to the Al-Ahli hospital in Gaza at the time it was hit.

https://www.israelhayom.com/2023/10/17/watch-footage-proves-terrorists-to-blame-for-gaza-hospital-explosion/
video on website

Skybird

10-18-23, 02:06 AM

I wouldnt be surprised to learn hamas targetted that hospital intentionally to earn propaganda points. Barbaric enough for such a deed they are.

Jimbuna

10-18-23, 05:50 AM

No surprises this coming from Aimee Shalan, chair of the British Palestinian Committee.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUJR_rabl-k

Jimbuna

10-18-23, 05:52 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eGJ7_R5pXA

mapuc

10-18-23, 11:07 AM

USA has lost their initiative in the middle east after the Islamic countries has cancelled their meeting with President Biden.

This was said by a Danish correspondent in Tel Aviv at noon.

Markus

Jimbuna

10-18-23, 12:26 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrwdteJhKGY

mapuc

10-18-23, 12:59 PM

In our Ukraine thread discussion on our Gas supply is being discussed- What about oil.

What will happen if Saudi-Arabia & Co stopped sending oil and gas to rest of the world ?

Markus

em2nought

10-18-23, 01:02 PM

The media should be held liable for publishing any old claim that Hamas makes without vetting any of it. :03:

Jimbuna

10-18-23, 01:13 PM

The media should be held liable for publishing any old claim that Hamas makes without vetting any of it. :03:

Couldn't agree more :yep:

Jimbuna

10-18-23, 01:18 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6QGUcd4QyA

Dargo

10-18-23, 01:39 PM

In our Ukraine thread discussion on our Gas supply is being discussed- What about oil.

What will happen if Saudi-Arabia & Co stopped sending oil and gas to rest of the world ?

MarkusSaudi-Arabia & Co (OPEC) is silent, do not know this will happen like in 1973. The US is already the second-largest oil producers in this world, and they can produce more oil if required. If Saudi Arabia decided this, they could adopt the same program as most other sellers and their crude would stop flowing to the US. The volume would be made up in the US market from the African crude that would be displaced from Asian refiners. The Saudis would be exceptionally unlikely to take such a step, they have refinery investments in the US they prefer to supply with some of their own crude. Further, Saudi Arabia and the US have a very long-standing relationship that is mutually beneficial. Saudi oil could be quickly replaced with Canadian oil and a host of other producers.

Jimbuna

10-18-23, 01:40 PM

If it were only that simple :hmmm:

mapuc

10-18-23, 02:16 PM

Like the war in Ukraine, my online friends have already taken their standpoint in this war between Israel and Hamas.

I support Israel and I believe that Hamas use civilian as shields and other illegal things who is against human rights.

Markus

Otto Harkaman

10-18-23, 04:44 PM

https://youtu.be/sQtlg38-ACU?si=SNWx5DueZNGhBvfp

Onkel Neal

10-18-23, 05:53 PM

My god, the Hamas terrorists were massacring people, wholesale slaughter, don't watch this if you want to sleep tonight, very, very graphic.

https://youtu.be/wAFDI63yvNQ?si=o6556gRlr0UUZy9H

em2nought

10-19-23, 01:38 AM

My god, the Hamas terrorists were massacring people, wholesale slaughter, don't watch this if you want to sleep tonight, very, very graphic.

https://youtu.be/wAFDI63yvNQ?si=o6556gRlr0UUZy9H

That one blood trail looks like something straight out of a horror movie. :o

Skybird

10-19-23, 01:39 AM

Should become mandatory to view in all state parliaments and - schools.

In Germany we have attacks and attempted arsony against synagogues. Firefighters get attacked with clubs and stones. So does the police and even ambulances.

Lovely what the "refugees" they imported in scores and scores behave like. What they say in interviews is not different to the Nazi agitation against Jews 80 years ago.

Jimbuna

10-19-23, 04:13 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-9MLsrbYps

Jimbuna

10-19-23, 04:19 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6zWvLROBBQ

mapuc

10-19-23, 08:55 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OSvXZo72as&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

em2nought

10-19-23, 11:15 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OSvXZo72as&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

War Spreads to West Bank & Lebanon!

Thanks mainstream media outlets! :Kaleun_Applaud:

Jimbuna

10-19-23, 12:18 PM

As desperate Palestinians in sealed-off Gaza try to find refuge under Israel’s relentless bombardment in retaliation for Hamas' brutal Oct. 7 attack, some ask why neighboring Egypt and Jordan don’t take them in.

The two countries, which flank Israel on opposite sides and share borders with Gaza and the occupied West Bank, respectively, have replied with a staunch refusal. Jordan already has a large Palestinian population.

Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sissi made his toughest remarks yet on Wednesday, saying the current war was not just aimed at fighting Hamas, which rules the Gaza Strip, “but also an attempt to push the civilian inhabitants to ... migrate to Egypt.” He warned this could wreck peace in the region.

Jordan’s King Abdullah II gave a similar message a day earlier, saying, “No refugees in Jordan, no refugees in Egypt.”

Their refusal is rooted in fear that Israel wants to force a permanent expulsion of Palestinians into their countries and nullify Palestinian demands for statehood. El-Sissi also said a mass exodus would risk bringing militants into Egypt’s Sinai Peninsula, from where they might launch attacks on Israel, endangering the two countries’ 40-year-old peace treaty.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/why-egypt-and-other-arab-countries-are-unwilling-to-take-in-palestinian-refugees-from-gaza/ar-AA1iveX0?ocid=msedgntp&pc=EDGEDSE&cvid=d3894369c1444b2b9caa2c59df038440&ei=15