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Skybird
10-01-24, 09:12 AM
US spokesman tells CBS that Iran is preparing imminent ballistic missile attacks on Israel.


If one of them, a ballistic medium range missile, slips through and really devastates its target area and causes many (maybe even civilian) killings, things will get very - interesting... Israel will retaliate directly against Iran and not just its proxies then, I have little doubt.

mapuc
10-01-24, 10:06 AM
US spokesman tells CBS that Iran is preparing imminent ballistic missile attacks on Israel.


If one of them, a ballistic medium range missile, slips through and really devastates its target area and causes many (maybe even civilian) killings, things will get very - interesting... Israel will retaliate directly against Iran and not just its proxies then, I have little doubt.

If I was the leader of Israel I would ask myself how reliable these information is and if they are 110 % reliable I would make a preemptive strike on these batteries where the Ballistic is going to be fired from.

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Following is a statement from the Danish Prime Minister
Mette Frederiksen stated earlier on Tuesday to Ritzau that she does not see a solution to the conflict in the Middle East and is therefore open to an international military intervention.

- I probably see it in reality in my own assessment that there won't be a solution with what we're looking into down there, and it can't help if it's just allowed to continue, she says.

Instead, she sees a need to force a two-state solution between the Palestinians and Israel.
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Dargo
10-01-24, 12:11 PM
If I was the leader of Israel I would ask myself how reliable these information is and if they are 110 % reliable I would make a preemptive strike on these batteries where the Ballistic is going to be fired from.

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Following is a statement from the Danish Prime Minister

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MarkusIran conducted a missile strike on Israel.

Rockstar
10-01-24, 12:24 PM
Iran conducted a missile strike on Israel.

And it was a massive strike at that.

mapuc
10-01-24, 12:26 PM
Iran conducted a missile strike on Israel.

I'm not talking about the massive attack in April, but the information we got today.

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Just heard that Iran have send up to 200 ballistic missiles against Israel and huge explosion can be heard in Jerusalem or was it Bethlehem.
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Will Israel counter this attack ?
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Markus

Dargo
10-01-24, 01:30 PM
I'm not talking about the massive attack in April, but the information we got today.

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Just heard that Iran have send up to 200 ballistic missiles against Israel and huge explosion can be heard in Jerusalem or was it Bethlehem.
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Will Israel counter this attack ?
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MarkusIran is estimated to have fired some 180 ballistic missiles at Israel tonight. This is according to an initial assessment by the Israeli military. Fars News Agency, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps news agency, is warning of a second wave of ballistic missiles to be fired at Israel. If Israel will retaliate yes, Israel expected this Iranian attack so they have plans ready to strike back.

Skybird
10-01-24, 01:55 PM
There were contradicting information on the size of the attack. CNN, CBS, BBC said it were up to 500 missiles in 3 or 4 waves, later seemed to have scaled down their count. German state television ARD and ZDF as well as German N-TV and PhoeniX TV said it were around 200 missiles in 2 waves.

The attack in April was 120 smaller missiles/rockets/drones, and 30 cruise missiles-style weapons, I think.

However, Iran back then and aswell again today did not fire them all simultaneously, but nicely set them up like pearls on a string so that the Israelis, the US forces and Jordanians had best chances to take them out one by one. A few missiles came through however. Still: This was not a major strike with determination, but the Iranians are - communicating. To Israel. And to their own fans: "See: we did somethinh, we struck them".

If all of these missiles or maybe even more would have simualteously arrived and flooded the defences, overwhelming their ready ammo stacks and calcuation centres by their numbers, then we would look at another situation tonight. Even the Israeli defence system is not invincible.

No reports on anythign major hit, no repports on many casualties. One dead, a few wounded. I am not making any prediction on whether this is already enough for Israel to strike back into Iran and "all in". Probably not.

Again, I dont think Iran does not have thje capability to launch bigger strikes and then coordinate the arrivals of all warheads in a way that they do more damage. This is not an unlimited strike carried out with bitter determination, but its more stage thunder, a symbolic reaction, and a warning. They do not want right now the big war with Israel. But they had to do something after the imminent past and its series of Israelis scores against Hamas and Hezbollah and Iran.

mapuc
10-01-24, 02:16 PM
I would aim for their nuclear facilities with a few ballistic missiles as a revenge for the attack tonight.

Markus

Dargo
10-01-24, 02:21 PM
Biden directed US military to aid Israel, and am sure the countries that aided Israel last time will give aid now. Pentagon says US navy destroyers fired about a dozen interceptors against Iranian missiles headed to Israel. Jordan allowed American forces to use its airspace to shoot down Iranian missiles.

mapuc
10-01-24, 02:38 PM
Biden directed US military to aid Israel, and am sure the countries that aided Israel last time will give aid now. Pentagon says US navy destroyers fired about a dozen interceptors against Iranian missiles headed to Israel. Jordan allowed American forces to use its airspace to shoot down Iranian missiles.

Jordan and Saudi-Arabia two joker in this Iran-Israel conflict.

Markus

mapuc
10-01-24, 02:44 PM
Thus, Iran was well aware that the rockets they launched on Tuesday evening would be caught, says David Vestenskov.

- I also don't think the Iranians have any interest whatsoever in 50 rockets falling in Tel Aviv. Because then it would be the same as dooming the regime to doom. Because then a massive response would come back.

https://ekstrabladet-dk.translate.goog/nyheder/krigogkatastrofer/missil-regn-over-israel-loeb-toer-for-tid/10388654?_x_tr_sl=da&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=da&_x_tr_pto=wapp

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Dargo
10-01-24, 02:50 PM
Jordan and Saudi-Arabia two joker in this Iran-Israel conflict.

MarkusAhum, Jordan has been a very close ally of the United States for decades, dating back to the establishment of bilateral relations between the two countries in 1949. The country was named a major non-NATO ally of the U.S. in 1996. And Saudi Arabia is a very old friend of the US, dating from 1933.

Skybird
10-01-24, 03:07 PM
Whats it all about - the bigger game inside the game.

[FOCUS]
Over the past three weeks, Israel has managed to strike a heavy and possibly decisive blow against Hezbollah. On September 8, a large underground Hezbollah rocket, weapons and ammunition factory in Syria, operated jointly with Iran, was completely destroyed by an Israeli commando operation.

On September 17 and 18, thousands of Hezbollah cadres were injured or killed by explosions in rigged pagers and walkie-talkies. This disrupted communication within the terrorist organization and severely disrupted its military capability.

In the two weeks that followed, the Israeli air force not only succeeded in largely decapitating the military leadership, it was also able to destroy around half of the missile positions that Hezbollah had deployed against Israel over the past two decades with Iranian support.

Further positions are currently being gradually eliminated. On September 27, the Israeli air force succeeded in eliminating the leadership of Hezbollah, including its political and religious leader Hassan Nasrallah, with a precise attack. Brigadier General Abbas Nilforushan, a senior officer in the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, was among the casualties.

The rocket attacks on Israel by the remaining Hezbollah units have so far remained limited in scope. It is possible that Israeli troops will move into the largely depopulated southern Lebanon and drive out the remaining Hezbollah terrorists there - although this promises to be no walk in the park. As a strong militia and political movement with great support among the Shiite population, Hezbollah may be running out of military options.

Israel's tough approach has surprised Middle East and military experts as much as politicians. Few expected attacks of this severity. In fact, it is obvious that this is an operation based on intelligent and complex planning that has been developed over many years and has been constantly adapted to the circumstances. These plans reveal an information superiority that is nothing short of breathtaking. They are based on an almost complete superiority in the air and in cyberspace as well as on the availability of precise and bunker-busting munitions.

The targeted strikes against the Hezbollah leadership would not have been possible without informants from their immediate surroundings and without the clever use of electronic and satellite-controlled reconnaissance and covert communication. This also includes the skillful manipulation of supply chains for means of communication.
The West has not understood what is actually at stake

In intelligence, political, media and think tank circles, it has so far been assumed that, in view of the situation in the Gaza Strip and for domestic political reasons, Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu is provoking a war with Hezbollah that he cannot win. Almost everyone is warning of a “conflagration” or a “major war” in the region, because Hezbollah cannot be eliminated.

Such exhortations are now part of the standard repertoire of almost all Western politicians. They only show one thing: they have not understood what this conflict is really about.

What is actually going on is a completely different “game”. Neither Hamas nor Hezbollah represent an existential security threat from Israel's point of view. The only thing Israel really fears is nuclear weapons in the hands of the Iranian leadership - and they have been working hard for two decades to produce these weapons. As Western efforts to contain Iran's nuclear program (such as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPoA) agreed in 2015 or the economic sanctions) are not seen as effective in Israel - regardless of which government is in power - Jerusalem has long been seeking military operations to destroy the relevant Iranian facilities.

The leadership in Tehran is aware of these plans and has comprehensively equipped Hezbollah, which operates in Lebanon, with up to 150,000 missiles of varying quality (from Katyusha rocket launchers to complex ballistic missiles) in order to build up a deterrent potential against such a project. With Israel's operation against Hezbollah and, above all, with the systematic destruction of the leadership structure and the missile sites themselves, Israel is in the process of thwarting the Iranian leadership's calculations - and so far with great success.

The country's supreme religious leader Ali Khamenei has been taken “to a safe place” for the time being - an indicator of the great uncertainty that is currently spreading in the revolutionary circles in Tehran. In fact, the notorious Revolutionary Guards in particular are probably alarmed that their most important deterrent against an Israeli military strike on their nuclear program is no longer working. This will reshuffle the cards in the game surrounding Iran's nuclear weapons plans.

From Iran's point of view, it must be expected that Israel will now also attack the nuclear facilities, some of which are deeply buried, and render them unusable for years to come. The Sunni-led neighboring Arab states would be more than relieved if this were to happen.

The decisive factor now is how Iran reacts. Theoretically, two options are possible, both of which are likely to be largely unattractive to the mullahs and the Revolutionary Guards: One option would be to resume negotiations with the West, this time in a constructive manner and taking into account Israel's strategic interests.

The end result would be an internationally effectively controlled end to Iran's nuclear weapons program, including the production and deployment of ballistic missiles that could reach Israel. This could perhaps prevent an Israeli attack. The new Iranian President Massut Peseschkian has at least spoken out in favor of resuming such talks. But it is unlikely that the extremists in Tehran will pursue this option.

The other option would be for Iran to quickly implement its nuclear weapons plans in order to threaten Israel as a nuclear weapons state and thus achieve a deterrent effect. This option would be favored by the Revolutionary Guards in particular. However, this would entail the risk that both Israel and the USA would then try to destroy the Iranian nuclear weapons in time. As far as Israel is concerned, it cannot even be ruled out that nuclear weapons would then be used to destroy the Iranian weapons on the ground. Whether and how Iran implements this option also depends on the reactions of Moscow and Beijing, both of which have sided with Iran.

Both options listed here are risky and unattractive for the regime in Tehran. It is impossible to say which path it will take. But one thing is clear: by destroying Hezbollah's military capabilities to threaten Israel with missiles, Israel has fundamentally changed the strategic situation in the Middle East in its favor. This should not be overlooked in view of all the humanitarian misery in Lebanon and the complaints about the escalation of the fighting.


https://www.focus.de/experts/kommentar-von-joachim-krause-weder-hamas-noch-hisbollah-was-israel-existentiell-angst-macht-ist-eine-e

mapuc
10-01-24, 03:09 PM
Ahum, Jordan has been a very close ally of the United States for decades, dating back to the establishment of bilateral relations between the two countries in 1949. The country was named a major non-NATO ally of the U.S. in 1996. And Saudi Arabia is a very old friend of the US, dating from 1933.

I meant whether they would go active into a war on Israel side, if there should be a war between Israel and Iran or stay outside.

Markus

Dargo
10-01-24, 03:22 PM
I meant whether they would go active into a war on Israel side, if there should be a war between Israel and Iran or stay outside.

MarkusSaudi Arabia and Iran are in kinda Cold War for decades, so Saudi Arabia will gladly invest in a proxy war with Iran. During the 2024 Iranian strikes in Israel, Saudi Arabia assisted Israel along with Jordan with the defence of Israel and their own territories. The Islamic Republic of Iran and Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan share a long but complicated relationship which has, at times, been tense and unstable. Another key reason for tensions between Jordan and Iran is Jordan's relationship with Saudi Arabia and Israel. The Iranian Government has called for the elimination of Israel and pro-West Arab monarchies, prompting anti-Iranian reactions in both Jordan and Israel. On the 10th of April 2024, in a first, Iran fired many missiles directly at Israel, Jordan's neighbour. Most of them were shot down by Israeli, American, British and Jordanian military personnel.

mapuc
10-01-24, 03:38 PM
^ Thank you for the explanation Dargo.

I hope there wouldn't be war between Israel and Iran.

Markus

Skybird
10-01-24, 07:59 PM
https://youtu.be/F_nQOPyRV54?si=SjbRH9jqRdY9JkJp

Reece
10-02-24, 01:31 AM
:yep:

Raf1394
10-02-24, 07:55 AM
Both parties need to stop invading each other...
Israel crossing the border, and attacking Lebanon is wrong. Hamas crossing the border, and attacking Israel is wrong too.

I know the conflict is going for more then half a century.
But war will solve noting...Hamas needs to leave, and extreme right wing parties in Israël too.

Peace between normal Palestinians and Israelis.

mapuc
10-02-24, 08:02 AM
Both parties need to stop invading each other...
Israel crossing the border, and attacking Lebanon is wrong. Hamas crossing the border, and attacking Israel is wrong too.

I know the conflict is going for more then half a century.
But war will solve noting...Hamas needs to leave, and extreme right wing parties in Israël too.

Peace between normal Palestinians and Israelis.

You're right there's a need for peace. However this can't be archieved before Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran(the leaders, not the people) have been neutralized, 'cause they have a deep hate towards Israel and the Jews.

Markus

Exocet25fr
10-02-24, 08:05 AM
bibi video ^

"nobody wants peace more than israel !".....:o :har:

During stealing lands and killing civilians.....:D


Other contradicting information:

U.S.I reports no major hit and no many casualties......with some 180 ballistic missiles :hmmm:

Iran fired some 400 ballistic missiles into southern and central Israel, according to Jerusalem Post. In an official statement Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) stated Fattah-2 hypersonic missiles were used in the attack to bypass Israeli radars, and the missiles used in ‘Operation Honest Promise 2’ struck their targets, among which were the Tel Nof air base near Tel Aviv and the Netsarim area near Gaza, where they said “a large number of Israeli tanks” were destroyed. Iran also claimed to have destroyed 20 grounded Israeli F-35 fighters at the Nevatim air base, located halfway between Beersheba and the Dead Sea.!?

who is telling the truth...:06:

mapuc
10-02-24, 08:46 AM
Will someone please tell me which land Israel have stolen ?

Who's telling the truth ?
Well in war the first victim is the truth.
There's not doubt though that Iran have exaggerated their skills

Markus

Ostfriese
10-02-24, 09:54 AM
The current conflict can be traced back to at least the 15th century (Ottoman expansion), if not even fürther back to the 12th century (crusades) or the 8th century (Arab revolts against Byzantine Empire). I think it can be safely said that everyone stole land from someone at some point.


Conflicts in the entire region date as far back as the bronze age - there have been conflicts in that region even before 3,000 BC.

mapuc
10-02-24, 10:30 AM
The current conflict can be traced back to at least the 15th century (Ottoman expansion), if not even fürther back to the 12th century (crusades) or the 8th century (Arab revolts against Byzantine Empire). I think it can be safely said that everyone stole land from someone at some point.


Conflicts in the entire region date as far back as the bronze age - there have been conflicts in that region even before 3,000 BC.

In every war Israel have been involved in, the enemy was the one who started the war, but it was Israel who ended it. During these wars like the war in 1948, 1967 and 1973 Israel got some land as a gain and it wasn't stolen it was conquered in these wars.

The question would be-Should Israel give these areas back to their former owners ?

The Gaza strip was an area occupied by Egypt in one of the big wars, it was into this area thousand of Arab fled.

I could remember wrong, what I wrote above was taken from memory.

Markus

Raf1394
10-02-24, 11:09 AM
I know Hamas controls the Gaza strip, and i'm not a fan of Hamas, even some Palestinians are not fan of Hamas.
But almost all Palestinians have a big hate towards Israel. Maybe because they are getting a to harsh treatment from the Israeli side?

Living in Gaza is hell. And when you grow up there, seeing bombs being dropped by Israeli army. and getting treated as a second rank citizen...
Some people just become radicalized and join extreme groups like Hamas.
Those people in Gaza have no where to go.

I believe you can never eliminate Hamas. Its a ideology, everytime Israel bombs Gaza, thats a new generation that joins Hamas...
Israel needs to reach out there hand towards the ordinary Palestinians this way the Palestinians will feel respected and loved by Israel.

The Palestinians will get rid of Hamas themselves.

On the other side. The extremist jewish settlers/colonist are also part of the problem, they also need to get punished. They are also a reason for the problem. A lot of illegal sentlements are set in the West Bank, people forced out of there homes or lands. And the international community says noting.

For me the problem is very simple, there are on both sides extremists. They all need to get rid off..

Its also a fact that Israel can do stuff, that other countries would never be able to do.
Iran launches missiles against Israel, the whole world says its bad. Israel ''invades'' Lebanon. thats no problem.
Exploding those beepers in Lebanon, can harm a lot of civilians who are just standing next to terrorists. Does Israel care that innocent civilians get injured? How many civilians died in Lebanon because of the airstrikes?

I understand that Israel is trying to defend themselves. But launching a offensive in Lebanon, bombing Gaza, Launching airstrikes in Syria ect... With all the civilian casualties. That just doesn't make Israel popular... those victims of the bombing will just hate Israel more and join extremist movements like Hezbollah and Hamas.

mapuc
10-02-24, 12:26 PM
Some input to the last comment on the former page <

Palestinians are people to and should be treated fair and not as second rang.

Israel tries all they can to avoid civilian causalities, by giving them a warning before they bomb the place/area - The only setback here is: The civilian only get around 5 minutes to flee the place/area before Israel start to bomb the place/area.

It has to be the Palestinians who should get rid of Hamas not the Israelis or us in the West.

Markus

Dargo
10-02-24, 01:32 PM
Will someone please tell me which land Israel have stolen ?

Who's telling the truth ?
Well in war the first victim is the truth.
There's not doubt though that Iran have exaggerated their skills

MarkusSince 1947 to present, Palestinian lost their majority of land.
https://i.postimg.cc/TYmFd6Zd/Palestine-1947-20223.webp

mapuc
10-02-24, 03:01 PM
Still I wouldn't call it stolen, more like conquered through wars.

I'm critical to their settlement policy though.

Markus

Dargo
10-02-24, 03:35 PM
Still I wouldn't call it stolen, more like conquered through wars.

I'm critical to their settlement policy though.

MarkusSo now Putin has conquered 17 % of Ukraine is OK because he did not steal it Israel has occupied Palestine like Putin occupies part of Ukraine, rather hypocrite to say it is their land now.

mapuc
10-02-24, 04:47 PM
So now Putin has conquered 17 % of Ukraine is OK because he did not steal it Israel has occupied Palestine like Putin occupies part of Ukraine, rather hypocrite to say it is their land now.

No it's not the same-Ukraine did not attack Russia before Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and 2022.

It was the Arabian countries who attacked Israel in -48,-67 and - 73.
And it was Israel who ended these war by winning and take some land as a triumph

In one of the two last war, Israel conducted a preemptive strike on Egypt, almost destroying their air force.

Markus

Dargo
10-02-24, 05:29 PM
No it's not the same-Ukraine did not attack Russia before Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and 2022.

It was the Arabian countries who attacked Israel in -48,-67 and - 73.
And it was Israel who ended these war by winning and take some land as a triumph

In one of the two last war, Israel conducted a preemptive strike on Egypt, almost destroying their air force.

MarkusPalestinian people are not the Arab nations those wars were between Israel and the Arab nations that land was Arab land, not Palestinian land the charts I showed are the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine adopted by the UN General Assembly on 29 November 1947 as Resolution 181. You all still don't understand the people of Palestine for them, victory is seeing Israel suffer. That's all they want, the more Palestine suffer, the more Israel suffer. Finally, after decades, Palestine reached a balance of power Israel F-16 versus Palestine bomber., This conflict will last for decades till both and really both have reached a point that they not see why they fight each other like the Troubles (Northern Ireland conflict) both sides could not see an end in their conflict they realized this could go one for a century without a victory. How many operations did israel launch because they were hurt because when Palestine blow up buses or massacre on Israelites it really hurts Israel and Israel want revenge? How often have they done that? How often must they repeat that? This is a infinite circle of revenge on revenge without any result.

Skybird
10-02-24, 05:41 PM
The place that now is called Israel has been inhibited by Jews since ~3500 years.

And while they were temporarily being occupoied by forteign ivnaders, they were never dispossesed and driven away until the initial spread of Islam when after Muhammad's appearance Islam spread from what is now Saudi Arabia at all directions, pushing by force as long as it did not meet equal or superior counterforce and resistance. The Muslims were the first conquerors who did not just occupie but actually took over the land.

Thats why from a Jewish perspective today'S Israeli territory indeed is "their land". They were successful in the modern era to acchieve what other native minorities in other places like Australia or the US or South America could only dream of: to regain and take back what had been stolen from them during colonization but was theirs since - well, practically since always.

And Dargo, Palestinians ARE Arabs. The next bigger distinction one has to make is that between Arabs and Perisan (=Iranians). Arabs, Persians, Turks. These are the three big ethnicities sitting at the main playing table there. And as Arabs, orioginaslly the "Palestinians" were the occupoants and former conquestors of the land that was the Jew'S land since 3500 years and whio enver gave up that claim.

Modern view of the Palestinians has completely and totally reversed the victim-conqueror perspective here. Today thew narrative is Palesitnains Arabs are victims and Jews are the evil coinquerors. No, it has been exactly the other way around. The Jews were the victims and the Arabs were the conquerors.

And different to the Arabs who occupied the place for centuries and were not capable to make anything fertile, fruitful, construcive of it, the Jews over the past 150 years or so did do that. Lets not forget that the project to reclaim the land for the Jews did not start just after WW2, but already in the century before.

There is somewhere a text I once red, a transcript of a podium discussion between Jordan Peterson and Netanyahu, where one of the two, probably Netanyahu, laid all this out. I knew it beforte, but it was a fine summary for people not knowing it. I tried to find it, but with no success.

Dargo
10-02-24, 05:47 PM
The place that now is called Israel has been inhibited by Jews since ~3500 years.

And while they were temporarily being occupoied by forteign ivnaders, they were never dispossesed and driven away until the initial spread of Islam when after Muhammad's appearance Islam spread from what is now Saudi Arabia at all directions, pushing by force as long as it did not meet equal or superior counterforce and resistance. The Muslims were the first conquerors who did not just occupie but actually took over the land.

Thats why from a Jewish perspective today'S Israeli territory indeed is "their land". They were successful in the modern era to acchieve what other native minorities in other places like Australia or the US or South America could only dream of: to regain and take back what had been stolen from them during colonization but was theirs since - well, practically since always.


And Dargo, Palestinians ARE Arabs. The next bigger distinction one has to make is that between Arabs and Perisan (=Iranians). Arabs, Persians, Turks. These are the three big ethnicities sitting at the main playing table there.That gives them not the right to apartheid the palastinian people.I have been to the Occupied Palestinian Territory, and I have witnessed the racially segregated roads and housing that reminded me so much of the conditions we experienced in South Africa under the racist system of Apartheid.

mapuc
10-02-24, 05:53 PM
That gives them not the right to apartheid the palastinian people.

Here I agree with you-The Palestinians should be treated as human beings and not like some second rang trash.

Have there ever been a Palestine stat ?

If so:
What was their currency ?
What was the name of their Capital ?

Markus

Dargo
10-02-24, 05:57 PM
Here I agree with you-The Palestinians should be treated as human beings and not like some second rang trash.

Have there ever been a Palestine stat ?

If so:
What was their currency ?
What was the name of their Capital ?

MarkusPalestine has only administration rule there is no state the two state promise in the Oslo accords is rejected by yeah the same that now tries to total war Bibi.

Skybird
10-02-24, 06:10 PM
That gives them not the right to apartheid the palastinian people.Liusten, when the Arabs owend the palce for over one millenia since they took it over, they ecluded everybody and did not want naone there and they stole the farms and the land fro t he Jews and disowned them, and then they foudn they were incapbale to do anythign with that cpountry thenmslves, no there nor anywhere else, because its dry, desaolate spoil, barren land. Arab culture is stuck, unproductive, inable to invent and be creative, constructive, because the Quran is against all that, and mercilessly suffocates it all. When the Jews started ti return to that land i in the 19th century and later founded the state of Israel after WW2, they said they invite everbyody, every Arab to live in the state and even beocme citizen of it - as long as you obeyed the laws and practiced tolerance towards Jews and all others.



The Arabs were the onces practicing aparthaid. The Jews practiced tolerance and openness.


What you expect them to do is practicing suicidal tolerance towards people who want to kill them, and once again, for the second time, want to drive them out.



There could be not only peace but prosperity for everybody since many, many decades already. In Israel, and around it. But the Palestinian Arabs did not want that. They want to destroy the Jewish state instead, and they love their corrupt criminal leaders. They instrumentalize their self-inflicted misery, thats why I never have given and never will give a penny to their aid.

Dargo
10-02-24, 06:10 PM
Many Arabs and Jews are closely related. More than 70% of Jewish men and half of the Arab men whose DNA was studied inherited their Y chromosomes from the same paternal ancestors who lived in the region within the last few thousand years. Bummer, there goes the theory I was first here. They were descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times. And in a recent study of 1371 men from around the world, geneticist Michael Hammer of the University of Arizona in Tucson found that the Y chromosome in Middle Eastern Arabs was almost indistinguishable from that of Jews. https://www.science.org/content/article/jews-and-arabs-share-recent-ancestry

Dargo
10-02-24, 06:24 PM
Liusten, when the Arabs owend the palce for over one millenia since they took it over, they ecluded everybody and did not want naone there and they stole the farms and the land fro t he Jews and disowned them, and then they foudn they were incapbale to do anythign with that cpountry thenmslves, no there nor anywhere else, because its dry, desaolate spoil, barren land. Arab culture is stuck, unproductive, inable to invent and be creative, constructive, because the Quran is against all that, and mercilessly suffocates it all. When the Jews started ti return to that land i in the 19th century and later founded the state of Israel after WW2, they said they invite everbyody, every Arab to live in the state and even beocme citizen of it - as long as you obeyed the laws and practiced tolerance towards Jews and all others.



The Arabs were the onces practicing aparthaid. The Jews practiced tolerance and openness.


What you expect them to do is practicing suicidal tolerance towards people who want to kill them, and once again, for the second time, want to drive them out.



There could be not only peace but prosperity for everybody since many, many decades already. In Israel, and around it. But the Palestinian Arabs did not want that. They want to destroy the Jewish state instead, and they love their corrupt criminal leaders. They instrumentalize their self-inflicted misery, thats why I never have given and never will give a penny to their aid.The Jews never practised tolerance and openness. In the 1948 Palestine war, more than 700,000 Palestinian Arabs about half of Mandatory Palestine's predominantly Arab population were expelled or fled from their homes, at first by Zionist paramilitaries, and after the establishment of Israel, by its military. The expulsion and flight was a central component of the fracturing, dispossession, and displacement of Palestinian society, known as the Nakba. Dozens of massacres targeting Arabs were conducted by Israeli military forces and between 400 and 600 Palestinian villages were destroyed. Village wells were poisoned in a biological warfare programme codenamed Operation Cast Thy bread, and properties were looted to prevent Palestinian refugees from returning. Later, a series of land and property laws passed by the first Israeli government prevented Arabs who had left from returning to their homes or claiming their property. They and many of their descendants remain refugees. The existence of the so-called Law of Return allowing for immigration and naturalization of any Jewish person and their family to Israel, while a Palestinian right of return has been denied, has been cited as evidence for the charge that Israel practices apartheid. The status of the refugees, and in particular whether Israel will allow them the right to return to their homes, or compensate them, are key issues in the ongoing Israeli–Palestinian conflict.

Skybird
10-02-24, 06:29 PM
Yes, we are all ultimately descended from one and the same amoeba cell.

Na und...?

The kingdom of Israel and Judah was first founded in the 10th and 9th century, and before that, for roughly one millenia, there already lived Jewish tribes in that place, under adminstration and occupation by foreign occupiers maybe like the Egyptians, but the place was the Jews' and for most of that ancient time it was called Canaan. The land is Jewish since around three and a half millenia, thosznb their soveriengt yover it was interrupted. By the Egyptians. The Bycantines. The Greeks. The Romans. But the first occupiers that really tried to drive them off their land and take it over instead of just ruling over them and taxing them, were the Muslims.

Dargo
10-02-24, 06:37 PM
Yes, we are all ultimately descended from one and the same amoeba cell.

Na und...?

The kingdom of Israel and Judah was first founded in the 10th and 9th century, and before that, for roughly one millenia, there already lived Jewish tribes in that place, under adminstration and occupation by foreign occupiers maybe like the Egyptians, but the place was the Jews' and for most of that ancient time it was called Canaan. The land is Jewish since around three and a half millenia, thosznb their soveriengt yover it was interrupted. By the Egyptians. The Bycantines. The Greeks. The Romans. But the first occupiers that really tried to drive them off their land and take it over instead of just ruling over them and taxing them, were the Muslims.It is crucial to remember that the Zionist entity's attempt to use ancient history as a justification for their settler-colonial project is deeply flawed and inherently unjust. Regardless of the ethnic origins of the Jews or who were first living in Israel, it does not grant anyone the right to displace, oppress, and ethnically cleanse the indigenous Palestinian population. The Palestinian people have a historical connection to the land, and their rights to self-determination and freedom should be respected.

Skybird
10-02-24, 06:41 PM
~ 20% of the Israeli population are non-Jewish full-rights citizens, "foreigners". Of these, 95% are Arabs, and of these again three quarters are Muslims. As to my best knowledge the Israeli law does not discriminate between Jewish and Arab citizens.


In Muslim countries, Quran and Muslim law mandatorily demand the systematic discrimination against all non-Muslims, namely Christians and Jews. Discrimination is not optional, but obligatory for every Muslim in order to make the unbelievers feel Allah's wrath and punish their depravity. All those who are not only not Muslim but also not Jewish or Christian are basically death candidates, the Quran demands that they "be struck on the neck". Head off, that is.


That Jewish citizens have growing ressentiments against Arab-looking people in general cannot really be a surprise, considering the hostile Arab environment Israel is embedded in.

Skybird
10-02-24, 06:51 PM
It is crucial to remember that the Zionist entity's attempt to use ancient history as a justification for their settler-colonial project is deeply flawed and inherently unjust. Regardless of the ethnic origins of the Jews or who were first living in Israel, it does not grant anyone the right to displace, oppress, and ethnically cleanse the indigenous Palestinian population. The Palestinian people have a historical connection to the land, and their rights to self-determination and freedom should be respected.
The Palestinian Arabs are not the indigenous population. ;) The Jewish are. And they never have given up their claim for the land, not once in the entire 3.5 thousand years.

Different to the millenia of Muslim rule, Israel grants "the others" citzenship and equal rights in its law codices, as far as I know. Just not so many of them that Jews become a minority in their own Jewish land, and that is very understandable. Already now every fifth Israeli citizen is not Jewish, is Arab, and the security concerns stemming from this are real, are realistic, and a threat for sure.

You cannot open your place for eahc and everbvyiody, in unlimited numbers, without sooner or later getting disowned. What the UN demands, is totally unrealistic and demands Israel to eradicate itself.

Dargo
10-02-24, 07:19 PM
The Palestinian Arabs are not the indigenous population. ;) The Jewish are. And they never have given up their claim for the land, not once in the entire 3.5 thousand years.

Different to the millenia of Muslim rule, Israel grants "the others" citzenship and equal rights in its law codices, as far as I know. Just not so many of them that Jews become a minority in their own Jewish land, and that is very understandable. Already now every fifth Israeli citizen is not Jewish, is Arab, and the security concerns stemming from this are real, are realistic, and a threat for sure.

You cannot open your place for eahc and everbvyiody, in unlimited numbers, without sooner or later getting disowned. What the UN demands, is totally unrealistic and demands Israel to eradicate itself.It is biblical in origin and starts with Sarah’s disobedience and distrust of God’s promise to Abraham. When Sarah bade Hagar, the Egyptian, to have a son with Abraham, she lacked trust in God’s promise that she would bear him a son. Abraham’s first son, Ishmael, was blessed by God and gave rise to the Arab people. The prophet Mohammed is a descendant of Ishmael. Abraham’s second son, Isaac, was also blessed by God and gave rise to the Jewish people. King David and Jesus are descendants of Isaac. Followers of the Qur’an believe that God told Abraham to sacrifice Ishmael, future father of the Arabs, as a test of faith. In contrast, followers of the Judeo-Christian tradition believe it was Isaac, future the father of the Jews, that God told Abraham to sacrifice. They fight for centuries and that will never stop, thinking Israel can is totally unrealistic no mater how many Israel kill they will never be safe.

Skybird
10-03-24, 03:50 AM
The biblical mumbojumbo may be of interest for devout Muslims and Jews, but not for me. I just recognize that it seems to be emotionally important for them. Relevant is that the area was inhibited by semitic speaking people since the 2nd millenium B.C.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan

The name "Canaan" appears throughout the Bible (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible) as a geography associated with the "Promised Land (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promised_Land)". The demonym (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demonym) "Canaanites" serves as an ethnic catch-all term covering various indigenous populations—both settled and nomadic-pastoral (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomadic_pastoralism) groups—throughout the regions of the southern Levant (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levant). It is by far the most frequently used ethnic term in the Bible. Biblical scholar Mark Smith (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_S._Smith), citing archaeological findings, suggests "that the Israelite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelite) culture largely overlapped with and derived from Canaanite culture... In short, Israelite culture was largely Canaanite in nature."

Note that the ancient Canaan not only covered today's Israel and Gaza and Westjordan, but modern Jordan and parts of modern northern Saudia Arabia as well.

However...
As usual, we disagree on most things... :)

Raf1394
10-03-24, 05:15 AM
Jerusalem also needs to be a city that is internationaly controlled. And free passage for all jews, muslims and christians. No internal politics involved

Ostfriese
10-03-24, 06:11 AM
Living in Gaza is hell.


Among many other reasons: Gaza is crowded. The entire Gaza Strip has a population density of slightly less than 6,000 people per km² - almost twice the population density of Los Angeles.

mapuc
10-03-24, 06:30 AM
Hmm will there ever be peace in this area of Middle east ?

No, not even if Israel should disappear from the map will there be peace.

Another thought:
How high is the chance that the Palestinians can take care of them self if Gaza should become independent-turn into a country ?

Markus

Exocet25fr
10-03-24, 07:27 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xg8cY35DO4

Skybird
10-03-24, 07:32 AM
How high is the chance that the Palestinians can take care of them self if Gaza should become independent-turn into a country ?


Zero. Nill. They had the place for centuries, and look what they had made of it or their society. Nothing.



Compare to what the Jews made of it within just 1-2 generations. :Kaleun_Applaud: Agriculture. Technology. Science. And all that against all odds.

Raf1394
10-03-24, 07:51 AM
Zero. Nill. They had the place for centuries, and look what they had made of it or their society. Nothing.



Compare to what the Jews made of it within just 1-2 generations. :Kaleun_Applaud: Agriculture. Technology. Science. And all that against all odds.

Any country that gets backed up by the US and is given the tools can have a nice country.

Look at Saudie Arabia, also arabs/muslims, but they have better lives then Palestinians. Because the Saudis get support from the West.

If the US and the West start investing in the Gaza strip. It would become better. The Port investments can do wonders.

The Gaza strip is just a open prison...

Skybird
10-03-24, 07:57 AM
Go ahead then, set an example. Invest your own money.

But dont come to me for a refund.



And ask yourself: where came the money from that Hamas used to buy European concrete that it used to build its tunnels? It came from Europe, and Germany, and the UN. And still does.

Raf1394
10-03-24, 08:01 AM
Don't forget that Israël is basically a new formed country during that time. Lots of potential to build. With help from the West.

Just like Germany was in ruins after WW2. but could rebuild there economy with the Western powers. It became a power house now in the EU.

Comparing the Gaza strip, that is cut off. Is difficult.
I do believe if the Gaza strip gets support from the West. Just like Israël recieved support, it has potential.

Raf1394
10-03-24, 08:05 AM
And ask yourself: where came the money from that Hamas used to buy European concrete that it used to build its tunnels? It came from Europe, and Germany, and the UN. And still does.

There i agree

Skybird
10-03-24, 08:11 AM
Israel acts alone.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/israel-acts-alone

Skybird
10-03-24, 08:20 AM
Don't forget that Israël is basically a new formed country during that time. Lots of potential to build. With help from the West.

Just like Germany was in ruins after WW2. but could rebuild there economy with the Western powers. It became a power house now in the EU.

Comparing the Gaza strip, that is cut off. Is difficult.
I do believe if the Gaza strip gets support from the West. Just like Israël recieved support, it has potential.
Israel achieved an awesome lot all by itself. Made itself a leader in certain academical branches, and technological research, and defence tech, and especially agriculture under desert circumstances. In its founding days, many in the West left it alone. Until today, the Europeans are split-tongued about Israel. Many European nations join the pro-Islamic anti-Israel block at the UN. So does Germany by its several abstentions in UN assembly votings where it refused to defend Israel. Since half a year Germany has de facto established a weapons embargo against Israel and blocks all deliveries to Israel.



We are heroes of words. And false friends by deeds.

Jimbuna
10-03-24, 08:34 AM
Overnight Israeli air strikes on central Beirut killed nine people, Lebanese officials say

From Beirut: Any feeling of safety is vanishing, writes Nafiseh Kohnavard

Our correspondent adds the target was a building where a Hezbollah member lived, which is also the headquarters of a medical centre believed to be affiliated to Hezbollah

Dahieh, Hezbollah’s stronghold in southern Beirut, was also attacked

Israel warns more people to evacuate in southern Lebanon, including in Nabatieh, a major city in the south

Israel began a ground invasion of the south this week and yesterday announced the death of eight soldiers inside Lebanon

Raf1394
10-03-24, 08:56 AM
Something that really shocked me, is how fragile the defensive wall between Gaza and Israël was at the border. During the Hamas attack in oktober 2023.

Can anybody explain? How Hamas could enter Israël so easy? Did the Israël population protested against there goverment of this lack of defense?

Dargo
10-03-24, 09:12 AM
Something that really shocked me, is how fragile the defensive wall between Gaza and Israël was at the border. During the Hamas attack in oktober 2023.

Can anybody explain? How Hamas could enter Israël so easy? Did the Israël population protested against there goverment of this lack of defense?What I heard is that Israel moved attention from Gaza to the west bank, therefore weaken the defensive wall between Gaza and Israel. Israel population protested against their government and moment this war is over this government will lose in next election because they failed to free the remaining hostages you can weaken Hamas or Hezbollah, but Israel can not win this the new armies are born under this kinda bombing if you need to kill over 300 civilians to get one the kids will join Hamas or Hezbollah in the years to come.

Raf1394
10-03-24, 09:28 AM
The extremists on both sides need to go. Simple

Hamas wanting to eradicate the jewish state...
And Zionist extreme right groups having this believe of a greater jewish state with Palestine and Transjordan.

Both i hate

mapuc
10-03-24, 09:42 AM
We have forgot, in our discussion about occupied areas and the process the Israelis have done in these areas, a huge area who was given back to Egypt. I'm talking about Sinai Peninsula.

It was known that Israel made the desert grow and today after Egypt got it back in 1982 it have return to being a desert.

This show a true difference between Israels knowhow and Arabian standstill.

Markus

Raf1394
10-03-24, 10:15 AM
I'm a huge supporter for a two-state solution.
A Palestinian state and the current Jewish state Israel living in peace next to each other.

And get rid of all the extremists. The fundamental Hamas and the extreme right wing Zionists. Nobody of those two are good. Sometimes i feel the Palestinian/Israeli conflict is a proxy war between the West and Iran/Hezbollah.
The involvement of those parties, the US, Iran ect... all need to stop too. They are making things worse.

The Hamas leaders saying out loud to kill all Jews and eradicate Israel is bad, and Israeli government leaders calling Palestinians in Gaza ''animals'' is also not done. And we are not talking about who is more advanced or has more intellectual know how. Things like Jews have more intellect then Arabs is also not done. Every race is equal. This is turning back to the Nazi era, saying Jews are low human.

This conflict is going on for more then half a century. Israel feels threatened because they are the only Jewish state, and they are surrounded by enemies, that i understand. But Palestinians also have the same rights to live in a sovereign country they are born at.

I'm a pro-supporter of the two state solution. And stop all the hostilities. Even send a International task force/peace. Like the UN. to examine who does bad.

Raf1394
10-03-24, 10:23 AM
Even the so called ''one'' state solution had once potential, but not anymore i guess

Jimbuna
10-03-24, 12:42 PM
I doubt there will ever be a lasting peace in the region.

Raf1394
10-03-24, 04:55 PM
I doubt there will ever be a lasting peace in the region.

I think the people there, Israeli's and Palestinians will just get fed up with everything and the war, and seek for peace?

But yeah... its already more then half a century...

Skybird
10-03-24, 05:29 PM
Two state solution?
That was a stillbirth from all beginning on, imo. It never had a realistic chance to work. It never will work. Totally unrealistic.
Israel has given back the Gaza strip. In the same year rockets started to go from there to Israel, already before Hamas took over. And the hostile mood in Westjordan with Ramallah as capital is not much more friendly. And what there is, is deeply corruoted and by wish and desire of the coprrupt leadership it is a failed state, not one bit soveerign in ability and skill and economic capability, but depending on a parasiting business model and hanging on the money drip o fthe West. Such states are no states. They are bad jokes - which exist at OUR expenses.

We should leave the whole place alone, and only do trade with Israel only, and militarily and scientifically and research-wise mutually cooperate. Let the nArabs care for thewir Palestinian brothers and sisters. Its their people, not ours. Why do we pay the lion's share of their bills and not the Arabs...?


https://www.politico.eu/article/why-pretend-anymore-two-state-solution-dead-israel-gaza-palestine-war/

mapuc
10-03-24, 06:36 PM
It is a hard riddle to solve no doubt about it.

I have not a clue on how to solve the huge problems in Middle east

Markus

Skybird
10-04-24, 06:12 AM
@mapuc,


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg7825rk8j9o

mapuc
10-04-24, 07:02 AM
@mapuc,


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg7825rk8j9o

This part do raise some questions

The details we have established raise questions - including why so few soldiers were armed at a base so close to the border, why more wasn’t done to respond to the intelligence and warnings that had been received, how it took so long for reinforcements to arrive, and whether the very infrastructure of the base had left those there unprotected.

Markus

Jimbuna
10-04-24, 09:28 AM
More air strikes have been reported in southern Beirut and Lebanon, as Israel tells more than 30 villages in the south to evacuate

A major road out of Lebanon was hit overnight - pictures show a large crater near the border crossing into Syria, where thousands of people have been fleeing. Israel says the route was being used to transport weapons

Rockets continue to be fired into Israel from Lebanon - watch the moment our correspondent runs for cover after hearing gunfire and explosions

Lebanon's health ministry said earlier 37 people have been killed in Israeli ground and air attacks in the past 24 hours; more than 2,000 people have now been killed since last October

In Iran, the supreme leader defended his country's missile attack on Israel earlier this week as a "minimum punishment" in a rare public speech

Jimbuna
10-04-24, 09:33 AM
Iran's supreme leader Ali Khamenei holds a rifle at sermon


Iran's supreme leader had a rifle by his side as he addressed worshippers in Tehran in a rare public sermon Friday, days after Iran's missile attack on Israel.

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei delivered his first sermon in nearly five years to thousands of worshippers at the Mosalla mosque in central Tehran.

It comes three days before the one-year anniversary of the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza, triggered by the Iran-backed Palestinian group's October 7 attack.

From the crowds, some ardent supporters outraged by a year of hostilities held portraits of slain allied leaders from Hamas and Hezbollah.

Khamenei, addressing the crowd, used the public address to say dub Hezbollah's battle a 'vital service to the region', warning Israel 'will not last long'.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/iran-s-supreme-leader-ali-khamenei-holds-a-rifle-at-sermon/ar-AA1rGNzK?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=04954c783c98442a9728d4ac4b29a572&ei=91

Skybird
10-04-24, 03:59 PM
I wonder whether ther eis more behind the Israeli actions. I do not have the impresison they just react to the unfolding of the events on a day-to-day basis, but that they follow an established, well-orchestrated long-time plan towards an end goal that existed already since long time before. The quesiton is what that goal is. I read that I am not the only one speculating on this, and that some correspondents and observers also have this impression.

Israel wants the Iranian nuclear weapon program being taken out. Said plan, if it exists, maybe is a plan for preplanned escalatory steps that are made appearing as reactions to the enemy beign pressed himself into escalating (Iranian reactions), thsi way cretaing the case for finally going after the Iranian nuclear program no matter what the Americans wish.

Iran has started already years ago to move key components of that program deeper an deeper into the mountain to escape even the strongest bunker busting and MOAB-sort of bombs. I do not know of course, but I would not principally rule out that if Israel must go that way all alone, it will use nuclear weapons on said mountain installations. I dont sday its certainb, I just say: dont rule that option out.

That Biden now voices that he would prefer Israel not even going after oil installations in Iran (obviously in a bid to not have gas prices soaring in the final election phase) shows quite something. I dont like how he handles this, I dont like how he handles ukraine. I did not like how he handled Afghanistan (I agreed on the pullout and still do, but the more time passed by since then the more I disagree with the chaotic terms and conditions).


However, I agree with both the Israeli ambition to root poutm Hamas and Hezbollah, and the desire to destroy the Iranian nuclear wepakns program. Washington and Eur0eo seem to be bitterly detemrined to see Iran finally gaining nuclar weapons - and only hiding form the public that they accepted it, instead posing as if they had tried all they can to talk the idea out of Iranian's heads.



If Isrtael succeeds in tunring Hezbollah into an imptent entitiy no logne rposjng a real threat to Israel, then i say is the time when the scenairo of Israle indeed wnatign to destroy the nculear progrma o f Iran miust be seripusly considered as a possible inbrtetion of theirs. Because Hezbollah's role why Iran send it to where it is is right this: to shield Iran from Israeli attacks on that program by threatening Israel directly. Israel is heavily commited to neutralising that capability of Hezbollah. 1 + 1 is how much?

vanjast
10-04-24, 04:52 PM
The bigger picture...
The middle east was 'disabled' about seven years ago.. maybe earlier. Many 'leaders' (like Bibi) were replaced (as in executed) with doubles.

Keep in mind that IsRaEl was 95% jabbed.. a pfizer playground, so we're looking at many jab deaths at the 3-5 year mark, which is now!!

So logically thinking.. all these 'jab deaths' will most likely be covered up by mass missile attacks and the stupid 'can you believe it' IDF incursion slaughter into lebanon urban areas.

Ladies and Gentlemen.... IsRaEl will not exist in the next 5 years... It will be a land repatriated to it's original inhabitants.

Place your bets :up:

Skybird
10-04-24, 05:29 PM
Would Iran be firing first, when they have developed nukes ?
Or are they going to use them as threat towards other Muslim countries,such as Saudi-Arabia and Kuwait

There are those who fear that Iran, who have a deep hate against Israel, will fire Nuke loaded ballistic missiles towards Israel.

While others say they will use them as Ace in threating neighbours.

MarkusPredominantly Iran becomes untouchable no matter how much terror it exportt and sponsors to the world - asnd towards Israel.



Israel would be suicidal if allowing this. Israel's annihilation is Iranian state reason.



I said already ten years and longer ago that the iranian nuclear program must be ended once and for all, y by any means necessary. I think I already said that during the Iraq war 2003, mocking the belief that there were nuclear weapons in Iraq at that time. Iran was and is the problen, not Iraq, as far as nuclear weapons are concerned.



Western politicians however have already come to terms with the prospect of a nuclear-armed Iran.They do not openly admit it, but they have accepted it already years ago.

mapuc
10-04-24, 05:41 PM
Predominantly Iran becomes untouchable no matter how much terror it exportt and sponsors to the world - asnd towards Israel.



Israel would be suicidal if allowing this. Israel's annihilation is Iranian state reason.



I said already ten years and longer ago that the iranian nuclear program must be ended once and for all, y by any means necessary. I think I already said that during the Iraq war 2003, mocking the belief that there were nuclear weapons in Iraq at that time. Iran was and is the problen, not Iraq, as far as nuclear weapons are concerned.



Western politicians however have already come to terms with the prospect of a nuclear-armed Iran.They do not openly admit it, but they have accepted it already years ago.

Iran have already Enriched their Uranium to above 60 % They need to get it up to 90 % or more before they can build nukes. While searching for info about this Uranium Enrichment I found this page.

https://armscontrolcenter.org/uranium-enrichment-for-peace-or-for-weapons/

Edit
Found this article too and it's about Irans work towards building their own nukes

The report, seen by The Associated Press, said Iran now has 142.1 kilograms (313.2 pounds) of uranium enriched up to 60 percent — an increase of 20.6 kilograms (45.4 pounds) since the last report by the watchdog in February. Uranium enriched at 60 percent purity is just a short, technical step away from weapons-grade levels of 90 percent.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/27/iran-increases-stockpile-enriched-uranium-00160048
End edit

Markus

Skybird
10-04-24, 06:21 PM
The Iranian tactic of the oast 20 years was to win time and silently,l cautiously rceepign forward, planning to reach a final line from where it needs just one last sudden surprising short jump to FINISH and nobody able to react to that last sudden rush in time.



If you want to prevent it at any cost, you must intervene BEFORE that point. Once they are there its too late.

mapuc
10-04-24, 06:28 PM
I predict following

Within the next 1-2 years, if not sooner, Israel and/or USA will implement a preemptive strike in the areas where Iran is enriching their Uranium.

Markus

Skybird
10-04-24, 06:51 PM
I dont see that, neither with Biden nor Harris nor Trump. And two years might be too late anyway.


If you want to do it, do it now, that Hsamas and Hezbollah are seriously weakened and Iran is handicapped as well. And Israel will need to do it most likely alone.

Raf1394
10-04-24, 07:42 PM
I predict following

Within the next 1-2 years, if not sooner, Israel and/or USA will implement a preemptive strike in the areas where Iran is enriching their Uranium.

Markus

This would make Iran go build more things. And giving them a ''reason'' to start militarizing all there nuclear facilities even more. And would for sure not let any foreign inspectors enter the country.

mapuc
10-05-24, 06:08 AM
I dont see that, neither with Biden nor Harris nor Trump. And two years might be too late anyway.


If you want to do it, do it now, that Hsamas and Hezbollah are seriously weakened and Iran is handicapped as well. And Israel will need to do it most likely alone.

I did write Within the next 1-2 years.

Which in my terminology means that Israel could attack Iran between tomorrow and up to 2 years from now.

And they are going to send special unit, since no conventional bomb can penetrate the mountain and they will not use nukes.

Markus

Jimbuna
10-05-24, 07:02 AM
Predominantly Iran becomes untouchable no matter how much terror it exportt and sponsors to the world - asnd towards Israel.



Israel would be suicidal if allowing this. Israel's annihilation is Iranian state reason.



I said already ten years and longer ago that the iranian nuclear program must be ended once and for all, y by any means necessary. I think I already said that during the Iraq war 2003, mocking the belief that there were nuclear weapons in Iraq at that time. Iran was and is the problen, not Iraq, as far as nuclear weapons are concerned.



Western politicians however have already come to terms with the prospect of a nuclear-armed Iran.They do not openly admit it, but they have accepted it already years ago.

Agreed :yep:

Jimbuna
10-05-24, 07:07 AM
Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar has been silent for months - now some Israelis believe he has been killed

In a windowless room, somewhere in the bowels of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) headquarters, Chief of Staff Lt Gen Herzi Halevi jabbed his index finger forward.

Israel had just assassinated the Hezbollah leader and was about to invade Lebanon when he summoned his generals and commanders to take instructions.

But pictures of the meeting released to the press showed a seemingly unrelated image in the background.

Up on a screen mounted on the wood-panelled wall are fourteen mugshots of the Hamas chain of command - most of them with a giant red cross over them to mark that they had been killed.

At the top of the chain was public enemy no 1, Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar, with his grey hair and salt and pepper beard. For the first time since the war began, he had a question mark over his head.

The image set off a fresh round of speculation that Israel’s most wanted, the man who planned and ordered the Oct 7 massacres, was finally dead.

A little over a week until the anniversary of the terror attacks this coming Monday, was it possible the IDF had finally got their man?

Rumours about his possible death had emerged a few weeks earlier when intelligence officials began briefing that one of the precision airstrikes that had levelled Gaza may have killed the leader.

No concrete evidence has emerged since, but the pattern follows similar high-level assassinations in Gaza, which have taken a few weeks to be publicly announced.

Two well-placed Israeli officials told The Telegraph that the defence establishment believes that Sinwar is now dead.

One of the sources said that “it is highly likely that Yahya Sinwar was eliminated in one of the IDF strikes. The assessments in Israel’s security leadership suggest that Sinwar was most likely killed.”

However, plenty of caution remains. Sceptics question the timing around the Oct 7 anniversary and how Israel would have killed a man said to have been hidden deep underground and surrounded, according to reports, by Israeli hostages.

Sinwar could have decided the best way to keep himself safe as assassinations take down his top leaders is to retreat entirely from view. American officials told the New York Times they believed Sinwar is still alive and making key decisions for Hamas.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/hamas-leader-yahya-sinwar-has-been-silent-for-months-now-some-israelis-believe-he-has-been-killed/ar-AA1rJJ1o?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=f7e408338c934e94bdfd37cd1a638f15&ei=75

Jimbuna
10-06-24, 06:25 AM
Iran announces support for ceasefire in Lebanon, but only under one condition

Iran has offered to support efforts to achieve a ceasefire in Lebanon, provided that Israel halts its military campaign in the Gaza Strip, reports Politico.

Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi made this statement on Friday in Beirut during the first visit by a senior Iranian official to the Lebanese capital since the Israeli airstrike last week that killed Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah.

Araghchi emphasized the importance of utilizing all diplomatic opportunities to support Lebanon and the region in the fight against the Zionist occupying regime.

While the Iranian minister met with representatives from Lebanon and Hezbollah in Beirut, Israel continued its airstrikes against high-ranking commanders of the group, Politico notes.

On the night of October 1, Israel launched a ground operation in Lebanese territory. The IDF stated that Israeli ground forces were operating with support from aviation and artillery, targeting military facilities in Lebanon.

Further details on Israel's ground operation in Lebanon can be found in the article by RBC-Ukraine.

On Saturday, reports emerged that the successor to the eliminated Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah, Hashem Safieddine, may have been killed in an Israeli attack on Beirut on October 4. Confirmed information on this is still pending.

Additionally, on Saturday, the leader of Hamas's military wing, Saeed Atallah Ali, was killed in Lebanon.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/iran-announces-support-for-ceasefire-in-lebanon-but-only-under-one-condition/ar-AA1rLBZ6?ocid=msedgntp&pc=ENTPSP&cvid=a7cd025d29d042838f4d2e1720f31537&ei=15

Aktungbby
10-06-24, 10:20 AM
Iran announces support for ceasefire in Lebanon, but only under one condition:hmmm:...Hassan Nasrallah + Hashem Safieddine + Saeed Atallah Ali = 216 additional virgins needed in Paradise??:arrgh!::timeout::dead:

Shadowblade
10-06-24, 10:51 AM
:hmmm:...Hassan Nasrallah + Hashem Safieddine + Saeed Atallah Ali = 216 additional virgins needed in Paradise??:arrgh!::timeout::dead:


nope, Virginians :D

https://i.ibb.co/VBVV9zY/virginians.jpg

Aktungbby
10-06-24, 12:39 PM
/\...our fellow-:subsim: member and fellow Bilgerat:Kaleun_Salute: Armistead, would appreciate that Confederate 'high watermark' Gettysburg battle picture depicting Brigadier Armistead...just before he was mortally wounded! :Kaleun_Salute: I was a 14th Tennessee reenactor back inthe '80's myself.

Jimbuna
10-06-24, 12:45 PM
Policewoman killed and 10 injured in shooting in Israel

A policewoman has been killed and 10 others injured in a shooting in the southern Israeli city of Beersheba, local authorities said.

The gunman was shot dead at the scene after what police described as a "suspected terror attack" at the city's central bus station.

The victim has been named as Shira Chaya Suslik, 19, a sergeant from Israel's border police.

Israel's ambulance service said medics are treating ten people for injuries, some of whom suffered gunshot wounds.

One of the injured is in a “moderate to serious” condition and four others are in a “moderate condition”, the ambulance service said.

They have been taken to the nearby Soroka Hospital.

Police said a preliminary investigation showed the gunman was "eliminated in a few seconds by the security forces" who were there.

Shortly after the attack, Israel’s Transport Minister Miri Regev called for the families of “terrorists” to be deported from the country.

“The time has come for a deterrent punishment to prevent the attacks on Israeli territory,” she wrote on X.

Israeli opposition leader Yair Lapid described the attack as "severe and despicable", writing on X "we must act hard against terrorism".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyv16lw1leo

mapuc
10-07-24, 06:40 AM
Today mark the 1 year since Palestinians entered Israel and killed and kidnapped around 1200 people.

Now here 1 year after I have to ask what have:

The Palestinians achieved by this ?

The Israelis achieved by this

Markus

Raf1394
10-07-24, 08:20 AM
Today mark the 1 year since Palestinians entered Israel and killed and kidnapped around 1200 people.

Now here 1 year after I have to ask what have:

The Palestinians achieved by this ?

The Israelis achieved by this

Markus


They both lost. The only thing that is kinda ''achieved'' is the world calling for a own state for Palestine. A lot of countries started to recognize Palestine as country.

You can maybe say that Israel has weakened Hamas, and Hezbollah... But this goes for years. They always remain intact...

Israeli citizens are also getting more against there government led by ''bibi''.

Skybird
10-07-24, 09:08 AM
This is not over yet.


When it is, the Middle East will be a different one. Hezbollah'S hijacking of the Lebanese state could suffer irreparable from all this, which is good both for Israel and Lebanon, Hezbollah has assassinated many Lebanese politicians opposing it and standing in their way. Israel will not allow any foul compromise that leaves Hamas in control of Gaza strip again, Israel has learned its lesson on this day one year ago. Germany loves to say "never again", and then does not care or even does the opposite. But Israel means it. Due to existential need.


At the end could even be a great war with Iran. But if you ever were serious about preventing Iranian nuclear wepaons then you knew since two decades that it would inevitably come to this day of final decisons. Me, I never accepted the outlook of Iranian nuclear weapons. So may be done whatever needs to be done to prevent it. Preventing it is the only decisive and valid objective there is. And what the West has tried and done in the past one and a half decade or longer - HAS NOT WORKED. Iran used the time it was given to ever creep closer to the point at which they could not be stopped anymore, and the international nuclear energy commission was shown many times to be deeply corrupted in favour of the Islamic interest groups and desires by Iran. Thay cannot be trusted anymore.



Who said this century would become easier than the last one... I think we are closer to nuclear exchanges than during the cold war. In the past, it could have happened due to mishaps and accidents. These days it could happen - by intention and religous furor. Bad accidents are already bad. But bad intentions are much more fearsome.

Jimbuna
10-07-24, 10:49 AM
This is not over yet.


When it is, the Middle East will be a different one. Hezbollah'S hijacking of the Lebanese state could suffer irreparable from all this, which is good both for Israel and Lebanon, Hezbollah has assassinated many Lebanese politicians opposing it and standing in their way. Israel will not allow any foul compromise that leaves Hamas in control of Gaza strip again, Israel has learned its lesson on this day one year ago. Germany loves to say "never again", and then does not care or even does the opposite. But Israel means it. Due to existential need.


At the end could even be a great war with Iran. But if you ever were serious about preventing Iranian nuclear wepaons then you knew since two decades that it would inevitably come to this day of final decisons. Me, I never accepted the outlook of Iranian nuclear weapons. So may be done whatever needs to be done to prevent it. Preventing it is the only decisive and valid objective there is. And what the West has tried and done in the past one and a half decade or longer - HAS NOT WORKED. Iran used the time it was given to ever creep closer to the point at which they could not be stopped anymore, and the international nuclear energy commission was shown many times to be deeply corrupted in favour of the Islamic interest groups and desires by Iran. Thay cannot be trusted anymore.



Who said this century would become easier than the last one... I think we are closer to nuclear exchanges than during the cold war. In the past, it could have happened due to mishaps and accidents. These days it could happen - by intention and religous furor. Bad accidents are already bad. But bad intentions are much more fearsome.

Pretty much agree there :yep:

Shadowblade
10-07-24, 10:51 AM
The Palestinians achieved by this ?
Markus

- war with Israel
- Gaza destruction
- media attention
- many pro-Palestinian demonstrations
- more money from EU <facepalm>




The Israelis achieved by this


- sent message to anyone who wants to attack Israel
- killed Hamas fighters
- destroyed Hamas tunnels
- assassinated Hamas leader

Jimbuna
10-07-24, 10:53 AM
A year on from Hamas's 7 October attacks, US President Joe Biden says "far too many civilians have suffered far too much during this year of conflict"

Biden says he will "not stop working to achieve a ceasefire deal in Gaza", as Israel, Hamas, and Hezbollah all launch fresh assaults

People across Israel and the world are remembering last year's 7 October attacks, in which Hamas killed about 1,200 people and took 251 hostage

Since 7 October, nearly 42,000 people have been killed during Israel's campaign in Gaza, according to the Hamas-run health ministry

From Lebanon: Smoke rises from deserted streets in Beirut, with the constant buzz of Israeli drones overhead.

Raf1394
10-07-24, 01:52 PM
I believe its gonna stay a never ending story.
If you keep preventing the Palestinians having a sovereign country. There will always be this tension.

They are fighting each other for more then half a century. And people still believe this is the way they need to continue?
A two state solution is the only solution after things cool down.

Most arab countries agree on normalizing ties with Israël if the Palestinians are given there own land. But in reality I see arab countries hating Israël more. And illegal sentlements growing in the West bank

mapuc
10-07-24, 02:11 PM
I believe its gonna stay a never ending story.
If you keep preventing the Palestinians having a sovereign country. There will always be this tension.

They are fighting each other for more then half a century. And people still believe this is the way they need to continue?
A two state solution is the only solution after things cool down.

Most arab countries agree on normalizing ties with Israël if the Palestinians are given there own land. But in reality I see arab countries hating Israël more. And illegal sentlements growing in the West bank

Are the Palestinians mature enough to have their own state ?
They have to stop firing mortars, missiles into Israel if they get a state of their own.
Will they be able to create their own fortune ? And not have to rely on help from outside.

Israel on the other hand, has to stop offend/attacking the Palestinians.

Giving Palestine their own state would make thing easier for the Israelis-Why !? As it is now Gaza is nothing but an enklave a part of Israel.
When they are a country and they attack Israel-Israel have every right to eliminate these threats.

Markus

Shadowblade
10-07-24, 05:16 PM
I believe its gonna stay a never ending story.
If you keep preventing the Palestinians having a sovereign country. There will always be this tension.

They are fighting each other for more then half a century. And people still believe this is the way they need to continue?



true, they will be killing each other as long as they will live close together.

Jimbuna
10-08-24, 08:06 AM
Israel marks year since Hamas attack as fighting rages on multiple fronts

Israel has held ceremonies to remember the victims of the mass killings and abductions carried out by Hamas on 7 October 2023, against a backdrop of continuing fighting in the Gaza Strip and Lebanon.

A year on from the attack - that saw some 1,200 people killed and 251 taken hostage - Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu vowed to stop such an assault happening again, saying Israel's armed forces were “changing the security reality” of the region.

Since 7 October, nearly 42,000 people have been killed during Israel's offensive in Gaza, according to the Hamas-run health ministry.

As the day of commemorations unfolded, Israel said it had intercepted more than 100 rockets fired by Hezbollah in Lebanon as well as projectiles launched by Yemen's Houthis and from Hamas in Gaza.

Overnight, rocket warning sirens continued to sound in northern Israel, and several more town were declared closed military zones, as Israel looks set to expand its ground offensive across the Lebanon border.

On Tuesday morning, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said Suhail Hussein Husseini, Hezbollah's logistics commander, was killed in a "precise, intelligence-based strike in the area of Beirut" on Monday. Hezbollah has not commented.

Husseini was responsible for the budgeting and logistical management of Hezbollah's most sensitive projects, including its war plans and other special operations, the IDF said.

The US has indicated that it supports targeting Hezbollah in Lebanon - but fears that what has been described as a limited operation by Israel could quickly turn into a larger-scale, prolonged conflict.

And as American and Israeli officials discuss Israel’s response to last week’s unprecedented Iranian missile attack, CIA director William Burns has warned that there is a "very real danger of a further regional escalation".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g57q20l1vo

Skybird
10-08-24, 06:10 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly3x1w0595o


Israel's prime minister has made a direct appeal to urge the Lebanese people to throw out Hezbollah and avoid "destruction and suffering like we see in Gaza".
Benjamin Netanyahu's appeal on Tuesday came as Israel expanded its ground invasion against Hezbollah by sending thousands more troops into a new zone in south-west Lebanon.
During a video address directed at the people of Lebanon, Netanyahu said: "You have an opportunity to save Lebanon before it falls into the abyss of a long war that will lead to destruction and suffering like we see in Gaza.
"I say to you, the people of Lebanon: Free your country from Hezbollah so that this war can end."

Skybird
10-09-24, 05:20 AM
About "Bibismarck".



https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/israels-iron-prime-minister/

Jimbuna
10-09-24, 08:50 AM
Heavy fighting in Gaza's Jabalia as Israel conducts new ground operation

Residents say there has been heavy fighting in Jabalia in northern Gaza, where Israeli tanks and troops are conducting a new ground operation.

The Israeli military said it had killed 20 “terrorists” there over the past day, and that one of its soldiers had also been killed in the north.

Hamas said its fighters had targeted Israeli forces in Jabalia and its refugee camp, while the Hamas-run civil defence agency said Israeli strikes had killed 19 people.

Civilians in Jabalia and nearby Beit Hanoun and Beit Lahia have been told to evacuate south by the military, which said on Sunday that intelligence indicated Hamas was trying to “rebuild its operational capabilities” in the region.

It warned that the operation would involve “systematic strikes and the radical destruction of terrorist structures”.

Gaza’s Hamas-run health ministry said on Tuesday evening that Israeli forces were besieging the Kamal Adwan hospital in Beit Lahia and that it would run out of fuel within hours.

It also said patients and medical personnel had been asked to evacuate the hospital, as well as the nearby Indonesian and al-Awda hospitals.

Israeli forces launched a campaign in Gaza to destroy Hamas in response to the group's unprecedented attack on southern Israel on 7 October 2023, in which about 1,200 people were killed and 251 others were taken as hostages.

More than 41,960 people have been killed in Gaza since then, according to the territory's health ministry

This is the third time Israeli forces have gone into Jabalia and its refugee camp over the past year, with the last operation in May displacing tens of thousands of people, killing hundreds and causing widespread destruction.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c30l9r3medzo

Jimbuna
10-10-24, 12:16 PM
Israeli forces fire at UN peacekeeper positions in south Lebanon, peacekeepers say

BEIRUT/JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israeli forces fired on two positions used by U.N. peacekeepers in Lebanon on Thursday and at a third one on Wednesday, the U.N. force said, as Israel warned Lebanese civilians not to return to homes in the south and pressed on with its assault on Hezbollah.

The UNIFIL force said two of its peacekeepers were injured in one of the incidents, when an Israeli tank fired at a watchtower at the force's main headquarters in Naqoura, hitting the tower and causing them to fall. There were no casualties in the other two incidents, a U.N. source said.

"Any deliberate attack on peacekeepers is a grave violation of international humanitarian law," UNIFIL said in a statement, adding that it was following up with the Israeli military.

There was no immediate comment from the Israeli military, which is waging a widening offensive in Lebanon against the heavily armed, Iran-backed Hezbollah movement.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/israeli-forces-fire-at-un-peacekeeper-positions-in-south-lebanon-peacekeepers-say/ar-AA1s26Ge?ocid=msedgntp&pc=ENTPSP&cvid=ad64c929511d4bc0b078d72057de3d16&ei=64

Jeff-Groves
10-10-24, 02:25 PM
Israeli forces fire at UN peacekeeper positions in south Lebanon, peacekeepers say
Well that's what happens when You stand in the way of War.

Freaking UN is so Yesterday.
:nope:

Skybird
10-10-24, 03:07 PM
In the past and at the time of the last Lebanon war 2006 (?) UN observers communicated their observations of Israeli troop movements over open unprotected communication nets that Hezbollah was able tpo overwatch, and the UN knew it and stuck with it even after the Israelis complained about their UN troops this way becoming a party and no longer being neutral. So the Israeli started to demolition observation posts and ramming APC troop carriers off the street with tanks and IFVs. Wide grin on my face back then. ;)


This time some media say that UN observation cameras have something to do with it.


Its the UN in the Holy Land, stupid. Biased. Aligned with Israel's enemies. Filled up to the upper rim of its lower lip with double standards.

The UN troops in that place are just a carricature of their once given mission. They should be withdrawn immediately, and already many years ago.

mapuc
10-10-24, 03:30 PM
If a war should break out between Israel and Iran it would mean the end of Putin, according to this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul8zVrdLQ5A

Markus

Jimbuna
10-11-24, 07:15 AM
'Tension in Israel is at fever pitch while waiting for Benjamin Netanyahu's next move'

Everybody in Israel is talking about its spectacular intelligence coups against Iran’s attempts to wage proxy war against it.

It is now obvious that in very high places deep inside Tehran’s military and intelligence machine there are disastrous leaks. The disappearance of Iran’s Quds force commander Esmail Qaani may mean he has been seized as a suspected mole.

If that is the case then he may have been the most senior inside man Israel has penetrating the Tehran security machine. And if this is true then it is one of the biggest counter-intelligence blunders of modern Iran’s history - as far as we know.

The death of Hassan Nasrallah and his successor Hashem Sadieddine a week later in bunker blasts in Beirut reveal how wide open Israel has blown Hezbollah’s security. These deaths, the James Bond-style walkie talkie and pager blasts in Lebanon indicate years of sophisticated penetration of Tehran’s proxy.

Even the former Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh was killed in Tehran, blown up in his guest apartment whilst a guest of the regime. Of course people still wonder how on earth Israeli intelligence failed so spectacularly to notice Hamas gearing up for the October 7 attacks.

All of this will feed into Israel’s calculations on how to respond to Iran’s 200-strong missile attack more than week ago, albeit a largely unsuccessful one. Iran has warned Israel an attack on its nuclear installations will be a red line - but Israel may assess that with Hezbollah and other proxies so wounded, Iran is weakened.

And if what we are hearing about a mole inside Iran being seized, Israel may take years to build up as big an intelligence trove as it has displayed recently. Plus - any other insiders may have to become inactive to avoid detections as there is now massive investigation into who has been talking to Israel.

It is hard to imagine that for a hardliner such Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu this will not be the perfect opportunity to degrade Iran’s nuclear ambitions. The US has warned against such a move, in the belief that it will explode the Middle East into a much wider and devastating conflict.

But Israel has to do something and that is now imminent many believe. The target could include Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and this would be a very strategically beneficial move, taking pressure of Israel, which is fighting seven fronts.

Gas and other power installations being hit would be a big move but it will also hit the civilian population - so that may not be favourable. And of course there is taking out the Iranian leadership which, unless overwhelmingly decisive as in its entire leadership, may lead the Middle East into a major war.

In Israel the tension is now at fever pitch as everyone is waiting for Netanyahu’s next move. But the crucial element of this bloody and disastrous chess game for civilians will be Iran’s response.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/tension-in-israel-is-at-fever-pitch-while-waiting-for-benjamin-netanyahu-s-next-move/ar-AA1s31IC?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=e8c1c6b1ae034f9ba7457dbdddc145ca&ei=33

Exocet25fr
10-12-24, 06:26 AM
Is Lebanon part of Israel’s promised territory?

https://archive.ph/kFmFP#selection-753.448-753.481

Greater israel Map

https://static.mediapart.fr/etmagine/article_google_discover/files/2024/10/10/greater-israel.jpg

Jimbuna
10-12-24, 11:08 AM
Israel Warns South Lebanon Residents To 'Not Return'

Israel warned residents of south Lebanon "not to return" to their homes on Saturday as Hezbollah said it launched missiles across the border on Yom Kippur, the holiest day in the Jewish calendar.

In cities around Israel, markets were closed and public transport halted as observant Jews fasted and prayed.

But with the country at war, troops remained engaged in combat in Hamas-run Gaza and in southern Lebanon, a traditional Hezbollah stronghold, amid a firestorm of criticism over the wounding of four UN peacekeepers.

In a message addressed to south Lebanese, Israeli military spokesman Avichay Adraee wrote on X: "For your own protection, do not return to your homes until further notice... Do not go south; anyone who goes south may put his life at risk."

The war between Israel and Hezbollah has since September 23 killed more than 1,200 people in Lebanon, according to an AFP tally of Lebanese health ministry figures, and forced more than a million to flee their homes.

On Saturday, Hezbollah said it had launched missiles at an Israeli army base near the northern city of Haifa.

In a statement the group said its fighters were "targeting the explosives factory there with a salvo of... missiles".

Air raid sirens sounded in northern Israel, with the Israeli military saying it had intercepted a projectile launched from Lebanon.

Israel began pounding Gaza shortly after suffering its worst ever attacks from Iran-backed Hamas militants on October 7 last year, and it launched a ground offensive against Hezbollah in Lebanon on September 30.

After the Yom Kippur holiday, attention is likely to turn again to Israel's expected retaliation against Iran, which launched around 200 missiles at Israel on October 1.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/israel-warns-south-lebanon-residents-to-not-return/ar-AA1s9AZq?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=ef2d928eaf4444468cac32eabef45587&ei=28

Dargo
10-12-24, 11:35 AM
Is Lebanon part of Israel’s promised territory?

https://archive.ph/kFmFP#selection-753.448-753.481

Greater israel Map

https://static.mediapart.fr/etmagine/article_google_discover/files/2024/10/10/greater-israel.jpgI think that those extreme orthodox parties believe in this if they feel seriously threatened, lebensraum is always the default option.

Catfish
10-12-24, 11:40 AM
Palestine and Israel are hating each other way longer than "half a century", and Israel was in no way 'better' than its enemies. After the Balfour declaration it only got worse, probably because the following action did not follow the paper's initial intention.
"The British government acknowledged in 1939 that the local population's wishes and interests should have been taken into account, and recognised in 2017 that the declaration should have called for the protection of the Palestinian Arabs' political rights."

As Netanjahu rightly said, there are already 22 arabian states, but this does not justify the taking of foreign land and illegally build settlements there.
If we are back in fighting with teeth and claws without international law, without the UN, and the right of the strongest to dictate .. we are right back in the middle ages. Even worse, because primitive behaviour with new weapons at hand will turn all into a giant rubble.

Skybird
10-12-24, 07:28 PM
https://youtu.be/4aSMPfNyuR4?si=1GbqUPlmRo7sVb7L

Exocet25fr
10-13-24, 03:33 AM
If there are YOUR HOME......!:D your reactions......:06:

Personaly I enter into resistance and you say I'm a terrorist....!

https://i0.wp.com/reseauinternational.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/image-127.png?ssl=1

Dargo
10-13-24, 07:51 AM
If there are YOUR HOME......!:D your reactions......:06:

Personaly I enter into resistance and you say I'm a terrorist....!

https://i0.wp.com/reseauinternational.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/image-127.png?ssl=1One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.That's a catchy phrase, but also misleading. Freedom fighters do not need to terrorize a population into submission. Freedom fighters target the military forces and the organized instruments of repression keeping dictatorial regimes in power. Freedom fighters struggle to liberate their citizens from oppression and to establish a form of government that reflects the will of the people. Now, this is not to say that those who are fighting for freedom are perfect or that we should ignore problems arising from passion and conflict. Nevertheless, one has to be blind, ignorant, or simply unwilling to see the truth if he or she is unable to distinguish between those I just described and terrorists. Terrorists intentionally kill or maim unarmed civilians, often women and children, often third parties who are not in any way part of a dictatorial regime. Terrorists are always the enemies of democracy. Luckily, the world is shaking free from its lethargy and moving forward to stop the bloodshed. That said here is the real map of Palastina:

https://i.postimg.cc/65zQZx0f/palestinian-map.pngIt sells for so little, but it's all we have left in this place. It is the very last inch of us...but within that inch we are free.

Jimbuna
10-13-24, 10:52 AM
Hamas wanted Iran to join in Oct 7 attack, secret minutes reveal


Hamas tried to convince Iran to join in the Oct 7 terrorist attacks on Israel, minutes of secret meetings have revealed.

The terror group’s leader Yahya Sinwar attempted to persuade Iran and Hezbollah to join the assault or the broader conflict with Israel after the raid, documents seized by the Israeli military show.

The minutes, which were obtained and reported by the New York Times, show Hamas first plotted to carry out the attack in autumn 2022.

Documents from 10 secret meetings of political and military leaders before the attack on Oct 7 2023, reveal that the terrorists delayed the plan, which they codenamed “the big project”, amid efforts to convince Iran and Hezbollah to take part.

Hamas, which felt it had its allies’ support, decided to go ahead without their full involvement because it wanted to stop Israel deploying an advanced new air-defence system before the assault took place, the minutes show.

The green light for the Oct 7 attack was also given because Hamas wanted to disrupt efforts to normalise relations between Israel and Saudi Arabia.

Before that Hamas had “played dead” for two years to ensure the raid was a surprise.

They “must keep the enemy convinced that Hamas in Gaza wants calm”, the leaders said, according to the minutes.

The minutes show that Israel’s deepening occupation of the West Bank and efforts to exert greater control over the Temple Mount, which is sacred to both Muslims and Jews, were also factors in the attack.

After Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, was returned to power as the head of a hard-Right government in December 2022, Hamas leaders predicted its provocation towards Palestinians “will help us with moving toward the big project” by boosting support for Hamas.

Hamas sent a senior member to Lebanon in July 2023, where he met a senior Iranian commander.

He asked for Tehran’s help in striking sensitive sites at the start of the attack, which took place three months later.

According to the documents, the commander said Iran and Hezbollah were supportive but needed more time to prepare.

The papers also show that Hamas planned to discuss the attack at a later meeting with Hassan Nasrallah, Hezbollah’s leader until his assassination this year. They do not reveal whether the talks took place.

Hamas leaders in Gaza said they briefed the group’s Qatar-based political leader on the “big project”, which was not previously known. Ismail Haniyeh, who was said by some not to have been informed of the attack ahead of time, was assassinated by Israel in July.

Hamas leaders also told Hezbollah they were “compelled to move toward a strategic battle” because of Israel’s “internal situation”. It is believed that was a reference to Mr Netanyahu’s controversial plans to overhaul the judiciary.

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran’s leader, has denied Tehran had any role in the attack. US officials have intelligence suggesting Iranian leaders were surprised by the assault.

Hamas leaders, however, have spoken about their support from allies and the New York Times reporting, which verified the minutes, suggests there was some knowledge of the plot.

The minutes were found on a computer by Israeli soldiers in late January in an underground Hamas command centre in southern Gaza shortly after the group’s leaders had fled.

The New York Times verified the documents by sharing them with members of Hamas and experts close to the terrorists.

The Israeli military has also concluded they are genuine.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/hamas-wanted-iran-to-join-in-oct-7-attack-secret-minutes-reveal/ar-AA1sa4Bc?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=44fcb24136d945d09abca9c0c52a6686&ei=70

Catfish
10-13-24, 12:29 PM
https://youtu.be/4aSMPfNyuR4?si=1GbqUPlmRo7sVb7L

Nice eh? Boiling the frog like in Ukraine, and let Israel do the dirty work: first with palestinians and then with Iran. But our hands are clean.

Skybird
10-13-24, 03:50 PM
"States have no friends. States have interests." - de Gaulle

Skybird
10-13-24, 07:10 PM
https://youtu.be/qbmv8Z5lARM?si=yCK6SUjQwF9l_fg_

Its plain and simply stupid to tell your enemy what how much he must go off limits to make you not calling him out for it. may it be the West regarding Putin, may it be the West regarding China, may it be the West regarding IRan. Projecting a weak, indifferent image of oneself seems to have become the dominant state reason of the West.

Stupid, stupid, stupid. Meaning it well gets you nowhere, weakness is not noble. Being able to be a beast but acting not aggressively is what enobles us. Weakness is just inability. Its to be dispised. But we applaude it. That tells all about us.

Exocet25fr
10-14-24, 07:59 AM
Big attack on Israelian airbase at Haifa yesterday sunday: 4 military dead and 60 wounded.
Sorry, but I didn't find media in english (of course!) but in french only!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrSKNhLENZA

mapuc
10-14-24, 08:15 AM
^ Here is an English article about this assault

In a video statement, military spokesperson Daniel Hagari provided the first official comment on the attack, which Israeli media reported had caused 67 injuries.

Hagari said a Hezbollah drone struck “a military base near Binyamina [south of Haifa], and all casualties were transported to hospitals, and their families have been notified.”

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20241014-israel-confirms-4-soldiers-killed-in-hezbollah-drone-attack-near-haifa/

Markus

Jimbuna
10-14-24, 09:57 AM
Hezbollah drone attack kills four Israeli soldiers and injures 58

Four soldiers have been killed and 58 injured in a drone strike targeting an army base in northern Israel, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has said.

The IDF added seven soldiers had been severely injured in the attack on a base "adjacent to Binyamina" - a town around 20 miles (33km) to the south of Haifa.

Hezbollah has claimed responsibility for the attack, which it said targeted a training camp of the IDF's Golani Brigade in the area, which is based between Tel Aviv and Haifa.

The armed group's media office said the strike was in response to Israeli attacks in southern Lebanon and Beirut on Thursday.

The group said it targeted the camp in northern Israel using a "swarm of drones".

The attack was one of the biggest on an Israeli position in more than a year.

The Israeli ambulance service, Magen David Adom (MDA), earlier said 61 people had been injured in the attack - including three critically. It added 37 of them had been taken to eight regional hospitals, either by ambulance or helicopter.

In a statement before the IDF confirmed the deaths, MDA said that alongside the three critically injured, 18 of the victims were in a moderate condition, 31 sustained mild injuries and nine people were "suffering anxiety".

The reason for the discrepancy in the number of critical injuries between MDA and the IDF is not clear.

Israeli censorship rules had initially prevented media outlets reporting exactly where or what was targeted, before the IDF confirmed it was the Binyamina base.

Some Israeli media outlets have reported the base was hit by a low-level drone launched from Lebanon - a relatively unsophisticated weapon that appears not to have activated early-warning alarms.

Throughout the evening, television bulletins, social media posts and online reports showed footage of emergency vehicles, including helicopters, taking casualties to hospitals across northern Israel.

Many of the wounded have been evacuated to Hillel Yaffe Medical Centre in nearby Hadera - with others being taken to hospitals in Tel Hashomer, Haifa, Afula and Netanya.

Details are still scarce but many of the injured appear to have been in a communal canteen at the time and were caught completely by surprise. Images circulating on social media appear to show an empty mess hall with a hole in the roof.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9dy294gweyo

Aktungbby
10-14-24, 10:52 AM
Death in the City of Abraham by Yardena Schwartz:On Aug. 24, 1929, 3000 Muslimmen with swords, axes, and daggerswent from house to house in the Jewish quarter of Hebron in theBritish controlled Palestine Mandate. Shouting "Palestine is ours and the Jews are our dogs", they raped women and girls, killed infants in their mothers arms, mutilated the corpse of elderly rabbisans Yesheva students, set houses on fire, and stole everything they could. The British, unprepred and caught by surprse extracted the surivors in armored cars, and told them not to return. For the first time in 900 years, the city of Abraham was a city without Jews....and these were Sephardic (native Palistinian Jews) 'friends, business partners and neighbors; not the subsequent immigrant Ashkenazi Jews arriving after WWII....nothing has gone out of style in 95 years: murder, rape and pillage-wise in my-god-is-better-than-your-god warfare?!!:hmmm:

Exocet25fr
10-15-24, 03:39 AM
Many young Palestinian children who have been shot in the head or the chest.........


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/10/09/opinion/gaza-doctor-interviews.html

Skybird
10-15-24, 06:19 AM
Some media report a decision was made in Israel to strike neither Iran's oil facilities nor its nuclear progam components.
There's not much left then. Why practice deterrence at all?
I assume the US have threatened consequences if Israel does something that would kick the gasoline prices upwards during election campaign.

Some media also reported that israle may aim at wanting to destaiblise and tzopplke th eregime. Well, its over 20 years that I was in Iran, but if I recall that time back then and the patriotic sentiment of the people in general, i can only say: good luck with that.

I would go after the nukes program, if in any way technically-militarily possible. And leave no stone unturned.

I would have done so already 10+ years ago. But lets face it, the West already has accepted a nculear armed Iran. We tolerate ourselves to death.

Jimbuna
10-15-24, 06:45 AM
I was in Iran in 77 (Khorramshahr) during the reign of the Shah and was quite surprised to see children in particular begging on some street corners despite the fact Iran at the time was a seriously wealthy nation.

How times have changed.

Jimbuna
10-15-24, 07:23 AM
Benjamin Netanyahu considering cutting off humanitarian aid to Gaza to starve out Hamas

Benjamin Netanyahu is considering emptying northern Gaza of all civilians and cutting off aid to anyone left inside in a desperate bid to starve out Hamas that could trap thousands of innocent Palestinians without food or water.

The Israeli Prime Minister has reportedly "read and studied" the plan to root out the militants as its now year-long war against the organisation drums on, with 97 hostages still unaccounted for. Israeli action has so far killed 42,979 people in Palestinian territories, and led to accusations of war crimes, and the latest considerations have only sparked further controversy.

The plan, proposed to Netanyahu and the Israeli parliament by a group of retired generals, would give Palestinians a week to leave the northern third of the Gaza Strip, including Gaza City, before declaring it a closed military zone. Israel would consider anyone who remains in the area - including those unable to flee or unwilling to give up their homes - an active combatant.

The designation would mean military regulations allow Israeli troops to kill them, deny them food and water, medicine and fuel. The plan's chief architect claimed while presenting the document to the Associated Press that it is the only way to break Hamas in the north and pressure it to release the remaining hostages.

Once carried out, the plan calls for Israel to wrest control of the north for an indefinite period and create a new administration without Hamas, splitting the Gaza Strip into two territories. Israel's government has not decided to carry out the so-called "Generals' Plan" and it is unclear how strongly it's being considered, with officials denying they have received it at all.

Israeli military spokesperson Lieutenant Colonel Nadav Shoshani told the AP: "We have not received a plan like that." But one official with knowledge of the matter said parts of the plan are already being implemented, without specifying which parts. A second official, who is Israeli, said Netanyahu "had read and studied" the plan, "like many plans that have reached him throughout the war".

Responses to Israeli evacuation orders have suggested that any bid to clear a large area of civilians would leave thousands of innocents behind. Many people have been unable to leave evacuation zones as they are older, sick or afraid to leave, with others fearing there's nowhere safe to go and that they will never be allowed back.

Israel has prevented those who fled earlier in the war from returning. Jomana Elkhalili, a 26-year-old Palestinian aid worker for Oxfam living in Gaza City with her family, said: "All Gazans are afraid of the plan. Still, they will not flee. They will not make the mistake again... We know the place there is not safe."

Ms Elkhalili was referring to southern Gaza, where most of the population is huddled in dismal tent camps and airstrikes often hit shelters. She added: "That's why people in the north say it's better to die than to leave."
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/benjamin-netanyahu-considering-cutting-off-humanitarian-aid-to-gaza-to-starve-out-hamas/ar-AA1shUIV?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=ee237fe1bf1c431686dc819607fad056&ei=32

Exocet25fr
10-15-24, 12:04 PM
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu should not forget his country was created as a result of a resolution adopted by the United Nations, French President Emmanuel Macron told cabinet on Tuesday, urging Israel to abide by UN decisions.

https://english.aaj.tv/news/330384285/macron-says-israel-pm-mustnt-forget-his-country-created-by-un-decision




BERLIN — Top German leaders blocked the sale of weapons to Israel despite Berlin's insistence the country was not under an arms embargo, a person familiar with the matter told POLITICO.

That confirms part of an earlier report by German tabloid Bild that, like POLITICO, is owned by Axel Springer.

Arms export decisions are approved by the Federal Security Council made up of senior ministers. Bild reported that Vice Chancellor Robert Habeck and Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock — Green politicians who are in governing coalition with Chancellor Olaf Scholz's Social Democrats — withheld approval for arms exports in the council pending assurances from Israel that it would not use German weapons in a genocide.

https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-demands-israel-give-assurances-it-wont-use-weapons-against-civilians/


Esmail Qaani Mystery Ends: Iran Publishes QUDS Force Chief Video Amid Speculation About Whereabouts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8JDnfjQdyo

Jimbuna
10-16-24, 09:05 AM
Six people, including the local mayor, have been killed by Israeli air strikes on the southern Lebanese city of Nabatieh

The local governor tells the BBC the strikes hit a meeting of the council's crisis co-ordination team - Israel says it struck "dozens" of Hezbollah targets in the area

The strikes came after Israel hit Beirut for the first time in five days - Israel says it targeted "strategic weapons" hidden by Hezbollah underground

Israel's war in Gaza also continues - it says it killed a Hamas commander in the north of the Strip, as well as more than 50 "terrorists"

This week, the US told Israel to boost aid to Gaza or face losing some US military assistance - Israel says 50 trucks entered on Wednesday, after deliveries on Monday and Tuesday

Hezbollah has fired more rockets into northern Israel, with at least two people injured

Jimbuna
10-17-24, 08:36 AM
Hamas leader 'may have been killed', Israel's army says

Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar – the architect of the October 7 raid on Israel, in which 1,200 people were massacred – has reportedly been killed in Gaza.

The Israeli military said it was ‘checking the possibility’ that it has killed Sinwar in an attack on three militants today.

‘At this stage, their cannot be confirmed,’ it said in a statement.

Sinwar was chosen as the group’s top leader following the assassination of Ismael Haniyeh in July in an Israeli strike in the Iranian capital Tehran.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/hamas-leader-may-have-been-killed-israel-s-army-says/ar-AA1sriwB?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=3397fa0aa55d4188867a44a3a717c672&ei=19

Jimbuna
10-17-24, 12:27 PM
Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar killed in Gaza, Israel confirms

The leader of Hamas, Yahya Sinwar, has been killed in Gaza, Israel says

Sinwar, who topped Israel's most-wanted list, was a key figure believed to have been behind the 7 October attacks

Israel's president says Sinwar's "evil endeavours were dedicated to terror, bloodshed, and destabilising the Middle East"

Shadowblade
10-18-24, 03:07 AM
nice work, IDF :up:
another terrorist leader down


https://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-lls09SnxGAzPlfWS-wav1pw-t500x500.jpg

Jimbuna
10-18-24, 06:33 AM
How Israel killed Hamas leader Sinwar in a chance encounter

Routine patrol
The Israel Defense Forces says a unit from its 828th Bislamach Brigade was patrolling Tal al-Sultan, an area of Rafah, on Wednesday.

Three fighters were identified and engaged by the Israeli troops - and all were eliminated.

At that stage nothing seemed particularly remarkable about the firefight and the soldiers did not return to the scene until Thursday morning.

It was then, as the dead were inspected, that one of the bodies was found to bear a striking resemblance to the leader of Hamas.

The corpse however remained at the site due to suspected booby traps and instead, part of a finger was removed and sent to Israel for testing.

His body was finally extracted and brought to Israel later that day as the area was made safe.

Daniel Hagari, the IDF's spokesman, said his forces "didn't know he was there but we continued to operate".

He said his troops had identified the three men running from house to house, and engaged them before they split up.

The man since identified as Sinwar "ran alone into one of the buildings". After being located by a drone, he was killed when a tank launched a shell at the building.

Sinwar's body was found with a flak jacket, a gun and 40,000 shekels (£8,240).

None of the hostages Sinwar was believed to be using as a human shield were present and his small retinue suggests either he was trying to move unnoticed, or had lost many of those protecting him.

Hagari also said the IDF had gained an indication of Sinwar's previous movements when they found his DNA in a tunnel close to where the bodies of six hostages were recovered around six weeks ago.

Israel is now searching for Sinwar's brother, Muhammad Sinwar, and all Hamas military commanders, Hagari said.

Yoav Gallant, Israel's defence minister, said: "Sinwar died while beaten, persecuted and on the run – he didn't die as a commander, but as someone who only cared for himself. This is a clear message to all of our enemies."

Drone footage released by the Israeli military late on Thursday was said to show Sinwar's final moments before he was killed.

The video appears to be shot from a drone flying through the open window of a mostly destroyed building.

It approaches a man, with his head covered, sitting in an armchair on the first floor of a house that is littered with debris.

The man, who seems to be injured, then throws what appears to be a stick at the drone and the video ends.

Sinwar 'eliminated'
Israel first announced it was "investigating the possibility" that Sinwar had been killed in Gaza on Thursday afternoon local time.

Within minutes of the announcement, pictures posted to social media showed the body of a man with very similar features to the Hamas leader, who had suffered catastrophic head wounds. The images are too graphic to republish.

However, officials warned "at this stage" the identity of any of the three men killed could not be confirmed.

Not long after that, Israeli sources told the BBC leaders were "increasingly confident" they had killed him. However, they said all necessary tests must be carried out before the death could be confirmed.

Those tests did not take long. By Thursday evening, Israel had announced they had been completed and that Sinwar was confirmed "eliminated".

Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, said "evil" had been "dealt a blow", but warned the Israeli war in Gaza had not been completed.

A tightening noose
While Sinwar was not killed during a targeted operation, the IDF said that it had for weeks been operating in areas where intelligence indicated his presence.

In short, Israeli forces had narrowed Sinwar's rough location to the southern city of Rafah, and were slowly moving in to get him.

Sinwar had been on the run for more than a year. He had undoubtedly felt the Israeli pressure growing as other Hamas leaders, such as Mohammad Dief and Ismail Haniyeh, were killed, and as Israel destroyed the infrastructure he had used to prosecute the atrocities of 7 October.

In a statement, the IDF said its operations in recent weeks in the south had "restricted Yahya Sinwar's operational movement as he was pursued by the forces and led to his elimination".

Major goal, but not the end
Killing Sinwar was a major goal for Israel, which marked him for death soon after the 7 October attacks. But his end does not end the war in Gaza.

On Friday, a member of Hamas’s political bureau, Basem Naim, said in a statement that it seems “Israel believes that killing our leaders means the end of our movement and the struggle of the Palestinian people”, but said Hamas as a movement could not be eliminated.

Naim did not directly name Sinwar or confirm his death, but said “it is very painful and distressing to lose beloved people”.

While Netanyahu said he had "settled the score", he insisted the war would continue - not least to save the 101 hostages still held by Hamas.

"To the dear hostage families, I say: this is an important moment in the war. We will continue full force until all your loved ones, our loved ones, are home."

In Israel, families of hostages said they hoped a ceasefire could now be reached that would bring home the captives.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czj9zzz8xm7o

Dargo
10-18-24, 03:13 PM
That Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar was killed by the Israeli army in Gaza does not mean that Hamas as an organisation has suffered a major blow. Countless Hamas leaders have been killed by Israel over the past decades, but new ones have come each time. As long as the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is not resolved, there will always be some form of Hamas. It is now mainly about Hamas fighters, but it is also a political and administrative organisation, deeply rooted in Palestinian society. Hamas leaders derive part of their popularity from the fact that they too take the blows. Previous leaders who were liquidated, such as Ahmed Yassin, were portrayed as martyrs on posters. Giving meaning to one's constant losses is very much in the Palestinian national consciousness anyway. There are still a lot of prominent Hamas leaders alive who could take over from Sinwar. It is a different story from Hezbollah, where Israel wipes out the entire upper layer of the organisation in a week or two and the organisation can no longer communicate among itself.

Sinwar held two positions. He was leader of Hamas in Gaza and, since last summer, political leader of the entire organisation. Khaled Mashal was the international face of Hamas for many years, and could become so again. Musa Abu Marzuq has clear roots in Gaza. But there is also a younger generation that is now becoming somewhat more prominent. Possibly, Hamas is shifting slightly towards a diplomatic process. They have succeeded in putting the Palestinian issue on the map, whatever you thought of the October 7 attack and the war that followed. A lot has also happened: Spain, Ireland, and Norway have recognised Palestine, there is a genocide charge against Israel, and the Israeli occupation has been declared illegal by the International Court of Justice. Hamas now has only the hostages as a trump card. They are not going to give them back to Israel, only to unleash another conflict a few weeks later. Hamas obviously wants to secure a future for them, but above all it wants the war to end. Because with that, they have nothing more to gain.

Arabist Joas Wagemakers, associate professor of Islamic and Arabic Studies at Utrecht University and the director of the Netherlands Interuniversity School for Islamic Studies (NISIS).

Exocet25fr
10-19-24, 05:51 AM
Drone 'launched towards' Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu's home

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b0e164423be987300f864b429ba3c330f074f750c562d96a6a 88bd791c098e62.jpg?w=800&h=305

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfEYP72J-GU

Jimbuna
10-19-24, 08:44 AM
At least 33 people have been killed in Israeli air strikes on the Jabalia refugee camp in northern Gaza, Hamas-run authorities say. Israel has not commented

Israeli forces have been besieging the densely-populated camp in recent weeks, saying it's trying to prevent Hamas fighters from regrouping

Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar's death this week raised hopes of an end to the war, but Iran's supreme leader says the group will "remain alive"

Meanwhile, Benjamin Netanyahu's office says a drone was launched towards the Israeli PM's home in Caesarea, northern Israel, but he wasn't there at the time

Fighting is continuing in Lebanon, where Israel's military says it killed about 60 Hezbollah fighters and destroyed its regional command centre

Hezbollah says it fired rockets at the Israeli city of Haifa and areas to its north

Jimbuna
10-20-24, 10:55 AM
Netanyahu says he is undeterred after reported drone attack on his home

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said he is undeterred from his war aims following a reported drone attack on his private residence.

"The attempt by Iran’s proxy Hezbollah to assassinate me and my wife today was a grave mistake," he wrote in a post on X.

His office earlier said a drone was "launched towards" his residence in the northern coastal town of Caesarea on Saturday morning.

Mr Netanyahu and his wife were not at home at the time, and no one was injured.

Iran says Hezbollah was behind the reported attack, Iranian state news agency IRNA reported.

Iran's mission to the UN was quoted as saying: "The action in question has been carried out by Hezbollah in Lebanon”.

Hezbollah - which is funded and equipped by Iran - has not commented on the reports.

The Israeli military said three drones were launched from Lebanon, with one hitting a building in Caesarea.

They did not confirm whether the building was part of the prime minister's residence, nor the extent of any damage.

US outlet Axios reported that the drone did hit the residence.

At 08:19 local time (06:19 BST), the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said: "In the last hour, three unmanned aerial vehicles crossed into the country from Lebanon.

"Two of the aircraft were intercepted. Another aircraft hit a building in Caesarea, no injuries."

The Israeli prime minister makes use of two private homes, in Caesarea and Jerusalem, and has also spent time at Beit Aghion, his official residence in Jerusalem, which is currently being renovated.

The reported attack comes as Israel prepares to respond to Iran's large-scale ballistic missile attack on 1 October - with Israel's defence minister saying its response would be "deadly, precise and surprising".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyl4e7w2e7o

Exocet25fr
10-21-24, 04:52 AM
Top Israeli Army Officer Killed in Gaza Strip

Colonel Ehsan Daksa, commander of the IDF’s 401 armored brigade

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ybs_TaDIvE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfoMTm3C6cs

Jimbuna
10-21-24, 11:43 AM
Hamas in Gaza has told the BBC it will not reveal the name of its new leader for security reasons

The group will elect a new leader in March to replace Yahya Sinwar who was killed by Israeli troops

Israel says its forces are continuing ground raids in the Jabalia area in northern Gaza - adding that "several hundred" residents have left using evacuation routes

Israel has carried out air strikes across Lebanon, saying it is targeting branches of a bank used by Hezbollah

The US is stepping up diplomatic efforts to get ceasefires between Israel, Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza

Skybird
10-22-24, 03:59 AM
Very nice summary of the history behind it. Cannot post a translator-link, it gets suppressed. The author Michael Wolffsohn is a historian and journalist. His books include: “Who owns the Holy Land?” (2002) and “Eine andere Jüdische Weltgeschichte” (2022).
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https://www.nzz.ch/meinung/tatsachen-statt-meinungen-ueber-ein-paar-legenden-in-sachen-palaestina-ld.1849835


Perceived opinions and historical facts - on a few widespread legends about “Palestine”


The world public's attitude to the Gaza war is more divided than ever before. Anyone who wants to form a coherent picture of the seemingly insoluble conflict should know the long history well and analyze it precisely - against the pretence of false facts.

The term “Palestine” is inauthentic. The Roman Emperor Hadrian decreed this place name in 135, after his military had bloodily suppressed the uprising of the Jews of Judea. Nothing was to be reminiscent of Jewry. As an extremely anti-Jewish cipher, “Palestine” was to mean: “Land of the Philistines”, because: The Philistines were, so to speak, the original enemies of the Jews of Judea. The reference to the small, then King David and the Philistine giant Goliath was sufficient.

The black, white, green and red flag of Palestine is not very authentic, indeed it is almost historical masochism. It was designed by the British diplomat Mark Sykes for the Kingdom of Hejaz, which was Hashemite until 1926 and then became Saudi Arabia in 1932. It couldn't have been more colonialist, because it was precisely Mark Sykes and his French colleague François Georges-Picot who, in 1916, divided up the spoils of the Ottoman Empire, including Palestine, in a highly imperialist manner.

The ignorant proclaim: Today's Palestinians are the descendants of the Philistines who once lived on the east coast of the Mediterranean, in the greater Gaza region. This theory has a flaw: the Philistines did not come from the Arabian Peninsula, but from the Balkan Peninsula. They were therefore not Arabs. Around the twelfth century BC, the Philistines or the “Sea Peoples” arrived in the Near East as invaders, where, expanding eastwards, they attacked the pre- and early Jewish community that had first lived on the hills of the West Bank.

Why more than three thousand years back in history? Because today's self-designation of Palestinians as “Palestinians” is a deliberate misrepresentation of history. Nevertheless (or precisely because of this), the Philistine-Palestinian legend is part of the counterfactual and ultimately anti-Jewish toolkit of the Israel campaigners.

This also includes the Islamic monopolistic claim to the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. On several occasions, most recently in October 2016, the international community served as a voluntary helper or useful idiot within the framework of the United Nations and Unesco. Fact one: the first (Solomonic) Jewish temple stood on this hill - not mountain - from the middle of the tenth century BC to 586 BC and the second Jewish temple from 515 BC to 70 AD. Before the Jewish site, the “mountain” was a place of worship for the Jebusites. After the Islamic-Arab conquest of Jerusalem in 638, Muslims erected the Dome of the Rock in 690. The Al-Aksa Mosque was consecrated in 712. Ergo: Historically, there are two claims, whereby the two polytheistic and the pre-Islamic Byzantine-Christian interlude are disregarded.

We skip over centuries in which peoples came and went in “Palestine”. However, neither the land nor its inhabitants, the majority of whom were Muslim Arabs and a few Jews, were called “Palestine” or “Palestinians”. This almost two-thousand-year-old term, which was originally clearly anti-Jewish and disregarded Arabs and Arabia, was not used again in international politics until the late 19th century - even in Zionism!

At that time, from 1517 to be precise, Palestine (not yet officially so called) belonged to the Ottoman Empire. In 1922, the League of Nations transferred the mandate or trusteeship over Palestine to Great Britain in breach of international law. The programmed British disloyalty is easy to prove. Britain had already distributed the Ottoman inheritance several times during the First World War. In 1915 to the Hashemite Arab dynasty from Hejaz (today Saudi Arabia), in 1916, as mentioned, to itself, France, Italy and Russia and in 1917 to the Zionist Jews.

What belonged to the British Mandate of Palestine? The West Bank including Jerusalem, the East Bank (today Jordan), today's Israel and the Gaza Strip.

The aim of the trusteeship formulated on paper was the “establishment of a national home for the Jewish people in Palestine”, but not the whole of Palestine as a Jewish homeland. Furthermore, nothing was to be done that would restrict the civil and religious rights of the non-Jewish population. That sounded wonderfully humane and peaceful. But how to deal with two-sided one-sidedness?

Largely undeterred by Jewish-Zionist and especially Palestinian frustration, agitation and violence, the British trustees acted as colonialists. They divided up: In 1923, they handed over the East Bank of Palestine to the Hashemites who had been cheated when the mandate was granted. The League of Nations sealed this fraud under international law in 1924. Law, not justice - intra-Arab colonialism.

The Jews said yes to the Mandate Statute, but grumbled. They grumbled because of the “in Palestine”. The indigenous Arabs in the rest of Palestine grumbled because they, as the demographic majority, were not offered the prospect of political sovereignty. They overlooked (or wanted to overlook) the fact that the size of the Jewish-Zionist homeland had not been specified in the text at all. That “in” could be a mini-in as well as a maxi-in. Moreover, there was not a word about what was to happen to Jews in “Palestine”. Instead of using this loophole politically to possibly get almost everything from Palestine, the Palestinian leadership fought any Jewish-Zionist claim violently and totally from the outset.

This in turn means, firstly, that historically and demographically Jordan is East Palestine. Secondly, analytically, this means that international law is favorable to the Hashemites and their minions and is in fact directed against the self-determination of the Palestinians. Law, international law and justice are far apart here. In 1946, East Palestine was granted “independence” by Britain as the Kingdom of Transjordan, which remained militarily dependent on London.

The next turning point was the UN Partition Plan of November 29, 1947, in which the remaining Palestine from 1923 was to be divided into a Jewish and an Arab-Palestinian state. This required mutual agreement to tolerate the other side as a minority both legally and internally or emotionally.

The day after the UN vote, the Palestinian leadership began the civil war against the nascent Israel. They lost it in April 1948 and called on their Arab brothers for help after Israel's founding on May 14. Especially Egypt and Transjordan. They came and took. Egypt “administered” the conquered Gaza Strip, and Transjordan, which until then had been East Jordan, became de facto Jordan in 1948 and officially Jordan in 1950 by incorporating East Jerusalem and the West Bank. With active British help, as King Abdallah I's army was led by the British commander-in-chief Glubb Pasha. Although this annexation was only recognized under international law by Great Britain and Pakistan, Jordan became a member of the UN in December 1955 without any ifs or buts.

That's how it usually is with wars. Those who start them and lose them also lose land and have to reckon with the expulsion of their own countrymen or their flight. Think of Germany, which was completely defeated by the Allies. It started the war in 1939 and lost it in 1945. The Palestinians shared this fate, which was self-inflicted by their own leadership, with the Germans. Around 750,000 Palestinians fled or were expelled by Israelis. Unlike the German refugees and displaced persons, they were, at the behest of their leaders, unwilling to integrate in their places of refuge and renounce violence, while the Arab states that took them in refused to integrate them.

The Palestinian population began to resist. Inside Jordan, things were boiling. Especially in the West Bank. In 1951, King Abdallah I was assassinated by a Palestinian. Against the will of the king and his successor Hussein I, Palestinian “freedom fighters” from the West Bank attacked Israel. At the same time, they stirred up internal political unrest. The high point was the attempted coup in 1957/58, which was mainly carried out by Palestinians. The West Bank was the focal point. Only British soldiers secured the king's throne in 1958. He then “cleansed” his armed forces. They became almost “Palestinian-free”. Their supporting pillar: loyal Bedouins, for whom the predominantly urban Palestinians had always been a thorn in their side. A variant of the historical confrontation between urbanity and nomadism.

In the Six-Day War of June 1967, Israel conquered East Jerusalem and the West Bank in addition to the Syrian Golan Heights and the Gaza Strip and then attempted to establish local, freely elected self-government. This failed because the Palestinian national movement radicalized in and out of Jordan under the leadership of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), which was founded in East Jerusalem in 1964. In September 1970, the PLO was on the verge of seizing power in the kingdom by force. But Hussein's Bedouin army prevailed. Palestinians call their bloodbath “Black September”. The shock is still felt today. There has not been a Palestinian uprising in Jordan since.

In 1970, the masses in the West looked on. Instead, they protested against the Vietnam War of the leading Western power, the USA. No pro-Palestinian demonstration that even came close to the dimensions of the protests of 2023/24 in response to Israel's supposed “genocide” against “the” Palestinians.

Nevertheless, there have been three major Palestinian uprisings, almost wars. In the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. The first intifada from 1987 to 1993. The second intifada from 2000 to 2005 and Hamas' Gaza war in 2023/24, which also became its war in the West Bank and was joined by the Lebanese Hizbullah, the Yemeni Houthi and pro-Iranian militias from Syria and Iraq under the direction of Iran.

Result one of the first intifada: Fearing that the Palestinian uprising would spill over from West to East Jordan, King Hussein severed all remaining administrative and legal ties between the two banks of the Jordan in July 1988. From then on, it seemed that only Israel, and no longer Jordan, was the decisive obstacle to Palestinian self-determination. To this day, the world remains blind to this fact.

Result two of the first intifada, in the words of then Prime Minister Rabin: to take the “risk of peace” and initiate a two-state solution. In vain, because in addition to diplomacy, the PLO's dual strategy also included terror, which on the one hand led to increased harshness on the part of Israel, but on the other to this offer from Prime Minister Barak in 2000/01: the Gaza Strip, 97 percent of the West Bank as the state of Palestine with East Jerusalem as its capital. The PLO refused and began the second intifada. The result: military defeat.

Nevertheless, the total evacuation of the Gaza Strip by Israel took place in July 2005 under the direction of Prime Minister Sharon. Instead of “land for peace” since 2007, Hamas rockets for land. Nevertheless, Israel's Prime Minister Olmert repeated Barak's offer of 2000/01 in September. No was the answer of the Palestinian Authority, and more Hamas rockets on Israel followed. Israel's response: limited, “proportional” military action. The next Hamas action: the terrorist orgy of October 7, 2023. Israel's response: the Gaza War, which Hamas soon lost in fact, but continued in a militarily absurd manner, sacrificing its own civilian population thousands of times over for propaganda reasons.

After around 140 years of conflict and war with Israel, the ever-divided Palestinian leadership can present its people with these “achievements”: a totally militarized underworld in the Gaza Strip due to Hamas and billions of dollars in funding from the Gulf and the West on the one hand, and a totally impoverished, harassed and suffering population on the other. The upper world of the Gaza Strip in ruins.

Soon also the West Bank, Lebanon, Yemen, Iran? Hamas has “enriched” the world with an unprecedented mixed strategy of guerrilla and terror as a new form of war. At the same time, it acts as a catalyst for a “real” multi-front war. A tragedy not only for the Palestinian people. Due to their leadership and the misguided and misdirected policies of the international community under the direction of the UN, the USA and the EU.

Jimbuna
10-22-24, 06:02 AM
Hidden fortune: Hezbollah's alleged bunker beneath Beirut hospital

- Hezbollah has allegedly built a bunker beneath one of the hospitals in Beirut, the Lebanese capital. According to the Israel Defence Forces spokesperson, the group is purportedly concealing over £400 million in gold and cash there, Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari. He stated that the military will not target the facility, despite the hospital director having ordered its evacuation.

This money could help rebuild Lebanon, but it has been allocated to strengthen Hezbollah, said Hagari. The spokesperson's statement, posted on social media, included a graphic showing the bunker's location and the facility's entrances.

Hagari noted that the bunker, intentionally constructed under the hospital, previously served as one of the hideouts for Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah, who was killed at the end of September in an Israeli airstrike. He claims The hideout has now been converted into Hezbollah's central treasury, where most of the terrorist organisation's funds are concealed.

Hospital director Fadi Alameh, in an interview with Reuters, denied the Israeli military's accusations and called on the Lebanese army to inspect the facility. He has simultaneously ordered its evacuation.

- Israel will continue attacks on Hezbollah's financial institutions, Hagari announced.

On the night from Sunday to Monday, Israel targeted about 30 locations associated with Hezbollah-affiliated financial institution Al-Qard Al-Hasan, as reported by the Chief of the General Staff of the Israeli Armed Forces, Gen. Herzi Halevi. Media reported that Israeli fighter jets and drones struck facilities across Lebanon, including Beirut.

Hagari added that during the day on Monday, in an attack on the Syrian capital, Damascus, an unnamed Hezbollah official responsible for transferring funds to the group from Iran was killed. According to Israelis, the man had been performing his duties for only a few weeks because his predecessor was also killed in an Israeli attack.

On Monday evening, the Arabic-speaking spokesperson for the Israeli military, Col. Avichay Adraee, warned residents in the southern suburb of Beirut to evacuate immediately from the vicinity of several buildings used by Hezbollah.

A few minutes later, a heavy airstrike began near the Rafic Hariri University Hospital, reported Reuters. According to its sources, at least three people were killed in the attack, which destroyed the hospital's car park.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/hidden-fortune-hezbollah-s-alleged-bunker-beneath-beirut-hospital/ar-AA1sHszi?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=0dd1e4255dea40b1a6f917c659856d3d&ei=102

Shadowblade
10-23-24, 06:27 AM
Hashem Safieddine, the senior Hezbollah leader widely seen as the successor to the group’s former leader, Hassan Nasrallah, was killed around three weeks ago, the Israel Defense Forces announced Tuesday.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/10/22/israel-iran-war-news-hamas-lebanon-hezbollah/

Jimbuna
10-23-24, 10:30 AM
Who is Hashem Safieddine, Hezbollah heir to Nasrallah Israel claims to have killed?

Israel claims to have killed Hashem Safieddine, heir apparent to slain Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah, in an early October airstrike on southern Beirut.

The Israeli military said on Tuesday that its airstrikes on the Dahiyeh suburb killed Safieddine, head of Hezbollah’s executive council, along with Ali Hussein Hazima, the group’s intelligence chief, three weeks ago.

Hezbollah is yet to confirm or deny the Israeli claim.

“We have reached Nasrallah, his replacement and most of Hezbollah’s senior leadership,” Israeli army chief Herzi Halevi said, according to Reuters. “We will reach anyone who threatens the security of the civilians of the State of Israel.”

The Israelis also claim to have killed three Hezbollah commanders and around 70 fighters over the past 48 hours in southern Lebanon.

What do we know about Hashem Safieddine?

Safieddine was born into a prominent Shia family in southern Lebanon in 1964. He joined Hezbollah in its early days during the 1980s, a period marked by the Lebanese civil war and Israel’s invasion of the country.

Safieddine rapidly rose up Hezbollah’s ranks, recognised for his leadership skills and ties to the Shia community, and ultimately became a central figure in the organisation.

He was designated a terrorist by the US in 2017.

While Washington has classified Hezbollah as a terrorist organisation in its entirety, the EU has only blacklisted its armed wing.

“As Nasrallah’s cousin and longtime presumed successor, he would likely be able to unify Hezbollah ranks around him,” Matthew Levitt of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy was quoted as saying by Radio Free Europe earlier in October

He added, however, that Safieddine “lacks Nasrallah’s charisma and he inherits an organisation that is a shadow of its former self”.

Safieddine, as head of the executive council, has managed Hezbollah’s financial and administrative matters. He has also overseen military operations as a member of the Jihad Council.

He took on a more visible role within the organisation in recent years, speaking at funerals and public events in place of Nasrallah, who stayed in the shadows due to security risks.

“Throughout the years, Safieddine directed terrorist attacks against the state of Israel and took part in Hezbollah’s central decisionmaking processes,” the Israeli military said in a statement on Tuesday.

Israel is yet to provide any evidence to confirm Safieddine’s death.

Hezbollah has refrained from commenting on Safieddine’s status since the airstrikes. It has not responded to Israel’s claims either.

Safieddine, like his cousin Nasrallah, has sported a black turban, symbolising his status as a respected Shia cleric, whenever he has appeared in public.

Safieddine was educated in the holy Shia city of Qom in Iran, where his brother now serves as Hezbollah’s representative.

Safieddine’s son is said to be married to the daughter of Qassem Soleimani, the Iranian general who reportedly played a key role in beating back Isis in Iraq and Syria and who was assassinated by the US military in 2020.

Safieddine’s involvement in Hezbollah has extended beyond Lebanon. His position on the Jihad Council allowed him oversight over the group’s military operations during the Syrian civil war, in which it supported President Bashar al-Asad’s government.

His death, if confirmed, would represent another significant setback for Hezbollah after the assassination of Nasrallah last month.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/who-is-hashem-safieddine-hezbollah-heir-to-nasrallah-israel-claims-to-have-killed/ar-AA1sMJ15?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=1324bb71aa514051abf20bebd18c5733&ei=94

mapuc
10-23-24, 04:03 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ISA8b0GUwY

Markus

Exocet25fr
10-24-24, 07:03 AM
UN Secretary-General's message to the International Conference in Support of Lebanon's People and Sovereignty.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7d7M0uw9jo

Jimbuna
10-24-24, 07:24 AM
IDF soldiers should refuse orders that may be war crimes, Israeli ex-security adviser tells BBC

As someone who served four Israeli prime ministers and was deputy head of the country’s National Security Council, Eran Etzion’s judgement was trusted at the highest levels of the state.

A longstanding critic of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, he is also someone whose years of public service earned him widespread respect.

But now Mr Etzion, a former soldier himself, is warning that Israel’s military - the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) - might be committing war crimes in northern Gaza. And he is suggesting that officers and troops should reject illegal orders.

“They should refuse. If a soldier or an officer is expected to commit something that might be suspected as a war crime, they must refuse. That's what I would do if I were a soldier. That's what I think any Israeli soldier should do,” he tells me.

We are sitting on the balcony of his home in Shoresh in central Israel.

Here there is the quiet sunshine of an autumn morning. A peaceful neighbourhood where some builders are working on house improvements.

Less than 40 miles down the road is the Gaza neighbourhood of Jabalia.

As Mr Etzion and I are speaking, doctors and medical staff at the Indonesian Hospital in Jabalia are sending desperate voice notes to the international community begging for aid.

One senior nurse - in a message heard by the BBC - speaks in an exhausted voice of relentless privations allegedly imposed by the Israelis besieging Jabalia.

“My friend, I’m so so tired,” he says. “I can’t explain how tired I am. The water is empty. We don't have water. We contacted the Israeli force to allow us to charge water to the tank, but they don't accept that.... And we don't know what will happen tomorrow. The situation is very very bad.”

Another nurse says: “I am sorry for my language, I can't talk well. I am very fatigued and dizzy. I haven't eaten since yesterday. We try to give the food that we found to the patients and families and we don't eat ourselves.”

Tens of thousands of people are now fleeing Jabalia as the Israeli army continues its offensive against what it says is an attempt by Hamas to regroup.

Mr Etzion is worried for the civilians of Jabalia and his country. “There is a very dangerous erosion of norms. There is a very widespread sense of revenge, of rage,” he says.

This is because, Mr Etzion says, Israel is in the grip of trauma after the 7 October 2023 Hamas attacks in which around 1,200 Israelis were killed and more than 200 taken hostage into Gaza.

“The will to revenge could be understood. It's human, but we're not a gang, we're not a terror organisation, and we're not a militia. We're a sovereign country. We have our history, we have our morals, we have our values, and we must operate under international law and under international standards if we want to continue to be a member of the international community, which we do.”

He is speaking out as a former soldier, as someone whose children served in the IDF, and whose family and friends still serve. “I'm just a concerned citizen trying to raise my voice. So that's what I'm doing. I want to make sure that no soldier is involved in anything that could be constituted as a war crime.”

Israel has faced mounting international criticism over its conduct during the war. The United States has threatened to cut arms shipments if Israel does not surge aid into Gaza.

The UN has accused the Israelis of repeatedly blocking or impeding the transfer of aid, most recently into northern Gaza.

The IDF has consistently rejected allegations that it is implementing a deliberate policy of starvation to force residents to flee from Jabalia. Israel has long accused Hamas of using the civilian population as human shields, launching attacks from schools and medical facilities.

“Hamas does not hesitate to abuse Gazans, exploit them, steal aid from them, and forcefully prevent them from evacuating when it is necessary for them to do so,” the IDF said in May.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx24ngy9g70o

mapuc
10-24-24, 02:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-OnXxdVBk4

Markus

Jimbuna
10-25-24, 12:22 PM
Secret Hamas documents reveal Sinwar’s ‘last orders’

Secret documents appear to show killed Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar’s last written orders, which include instructions on what to do with Israeli hostages.

The three pages of handwritten notes were published by Palestinian paper Al-Quds, which claim they are the final “wills” and “directives” of Sinwar, who was killed in an Israeli strike last week.

Scribbled hastily in blue ink, the first page includes an instruction to the captors of the hostages to “take care of the lives of enemy prisoners and secure them, since they are the bargaining chip in our hands”.

Guarding “the enemy’s prisoners”, the writer stressed, is essential to securing the release of Palestinian prisoners from Israeli jails. Those that carry out their “duty” will be rewarded, it read.

At the time of Sinwar’s death, 101 Israeli hostages were being held captive in the enclave, at least 60 of whom were thought to be alive.

The second page of notebook paper, written under the header Alarqam Trading for Printer Co, a Dubai-registered printed company, included tallies of hostages and their locations.

It mentioned 112 unnamed hostages held in three areas, Gaza City (14), the centre of the Gaza Strip (25), Rafah (51). The fourth group of 22 hostages has no location.

Names, ages and genders are detailed as well as whether they were soldiers, civilians, young or old. There were also calculations showing that Sinwar may have been working out how many hostages were left in each location.

The last page showed the names of 11 female hostages who were released earlier in the war, most of them in the week-long November ceasefire. It listed whether they held foreign citizenship.

There has not yet been an official comment from Israel on the documents attributed to Sinwar.

Hamas released 105 civilians during the November hostage-prisoner swap, adding to the four released before that. Eight hostages have since been rescued alive, while the bodies of 37 have been recovered.

On Thursday, the Hostages Families Forum called on Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel’s prime minister, and Hamas to secure an agreement for the release of the captives.

“We demand the Israeli prime minister grant the negotiating team full authority to secure this deal. Time is running out for the hostages,” they said in a statement.

Their plea came after Israel announced it would be sending officials to Doha on Sunday for new truce talks, the first of their kind since August.

It is not clear whether Hamas has agreed to participate but a delegation of leaders of the terror group met with Egyptian security officials on Thursday in Cairo to discuss “ideas and proposals”, a senior Hamas official told AFP.

Washington believes the killing of Sinwar might draw Hamas back to the negotiation table, particularly if the decision-making will now be led by the remaining leaders abroad which could help expedite the long-stalled ceasefire talks.

“With Sinwar gone there is a real opportunity to bring home [the hostages] and to accomplish the objective,” Antony Blinken, US secretary of state, said this week on his 11th trip to the Middle East since the start of the conflict.

Hamas is now believed to be engaged in talks to select the group’s new leader, with speculation that Sinwar’s younger brother Muhammed could take control.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/secret-hamas-documents-reveal-sinwar-s-last-orders/ar-AA1sVoIp?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=43ce9142f3d44057b2a065bc037ba3c6&ei=9

Skybird
10-25-24, 07:11 PM
CNN just reports the IDF has begun striking Iran. "Military targets" are being struck, explosions are heard around Teheran. No word on the scale and planned duration of the attack.

If these strikes today already are against the final targets, it will be over soon. If they are just of preparatory nature, the big one still is away and the operation could last days, if not weeks. Who knows.


I think it is at least no minor, symbolic attack, but a robust one.

Jimbuna
10-26-24, 03:59 AM
^No surprises there then, it has been on the cards for quite a while.

My question would be....how will Iran respond.

mapuc
10-26-24, 06:44 AM
I think the entire world is holding its breath, awaiting the response from Iran.

Are Israel finish or is there more to come ?

What I believe - Iran will not retaliate and Israel will not send more ballistic missiles or planes against Iran.

Iran is not interested in an all out war with Israel-They would lose and their goal to get nukes would be in danger.

This is my standpoint-Usually I'm always wrong.

Markus

Skybird
10-26-24, 07:09 AM
Four hours duraiton, roughly. This seems to to have been far more limited than I would have expected. No oil and no nuke facilities struck. Strange. I mean it can be explained what led to this limitation (American pressure, that is), but that Israel accepted to comply: thats strange and definitely not what I would have expected.

I also think we have seen the last chance to destroy the Iranian bomb being wasted. If there still was such a remaining chance left, that is. This was the moment when the pilot on final approach reaches decision altitude and says "Continue". Everybody has arranged himself with the Iranian nuclear bomb. All what happens internationally now until Iran formally announces they got it is, will be just theatre play.


So say Hi to the latest member in the nukie club.

Skybird
10-26-24, 07:21 AM
Anecdotal, but still somewhat revealing.

https://www-focus-de.translate.goog/politik/ausland/und-dann-sagt-der-verkaeufer-in-teheran-das-war-doch-kein-richtiger-angriff_id_260427276.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Bilge_Rat
10-26-24, 07:32 AM
Interesting.

Still waiting for technical details on the strike. Interesting that the IDF used manned ACs instead of ballistic missiles.

Apparently 100 IDF ACs very involved including F-35s flying 2000 km which means they most likely overflew Saudi Arabia. Iraq would not have given overflight permission. That distance also meant they would have had to refuel from tankers most likely positioned over Saudi Arabia. The IDF has been working on plans to attack Iran nuclear sites for 15+ years, so probably just re-used those plans.

The F-35s, since they are stealth AC, most likely went in first to neutralize Iranian air defences.

mapuc
10-26-24, 08:34 AM
What most of the people does not know is that there has been special forces on the ground in Iran-Their job was to illuminate the targets.

This I'm sure of.

There exist missiles where the target gets illuminated from the aircraft itself.

Markus

Jimbuna
10-26-24, 09:20 AM
I think the entire world is holding its breath, awaiting the response from Iran.

Are Israel finish or is there more to come ?

What I believe - Iran will not retaliate and Israel will not send more ballistic missiles or planes against Iran.

Iran is not interested in an all out war with Israel-They would lose and their goal to get nukes would be in danger.

This is my standpoint-Usually I'm always wrong.

Markus

Well on this occasion I reckon we should all hope you are correct.

mapuc
10-26-24, 01:20 PM
Well on this occasion I reckon we should all hope you are correct.

Another thing Iran could do to punish those who support Israel, especially USA, is to close the strait of Hormuz.

If they chose to do this-USA will be involved. Which is why I think they aren't going to do it. Iran isn't desperate they don't want a war with USA.

However in an all out war with Israel-They may do it-close the Strait of Hormuz.

It will not only be USA, but many other countries will send military ships to the area-Those who is hugely depended on oil.

Markus

Dargo
10-26-24, 01:37 PM
Another thing Iran could do to punish those who support Israel, especially USA, is to close the strait of Hormuz.

If they chose to do this-USA will be involved. Which is why I think they aren't going to do it. Iran isn't desperate they don't want a war with USA.

However in an all out war with Israel-They may do it-close the Strait of Hormuz.

It will not only be USA, but many other countries will send military ships to the area-Those who is hugely depended on oil.

MarkusIran will not do anything it has not the military power to go to war with the US also this will mean going to war with Saudi Arabia and his allies.

mapuc
10-26-24, 02:03 PM
Iran will not do anything it has not the military power to go to war with the US also this will mean going to war with Saudi Arabia and his allies.

They only need to place a few SSM missiles on land in the Middle of Hormuz nothing more and some SAM's to protect these SSM. As I wrote they are not desperate and they have a goal to reach.

Markus

Dargo
10-26-24, 02:32 PM
They only need to place a few SSM missiles on land in the Middle of Hormuz nothing more and some SAM's to protect these SSM. As I wrote they are not desperate and they have a goal to reach.

MarkusIran's air force and air defences are too weak for war certainly too weak for the US air force, Iran can not beat B-2 Spirit stealth bombers, along with other U.S. forces.

mapuc
10-26-24, 02:58 PM
Iran's air force and air defences are too weak for war certainly too weak for the US air force, Iran can not beat B-2 Spirit stealth bombers, along with other U.S. forces.

You're right-Iran have a goal to reach and they are not interested in a conflict with Israel or USA.

What type of Iran will we see when they have reached their goal ?

Markus

Exocet25fr
10-27-24, 06:52 AM
Truck rams into people at Tel Aviv bus stop, wounding dozens

Truck driver rams vehicle into a crowd, injuring at least 40 people, before he is shot dead. The incident happened on Sunday at a bus stop near the Gillot Israeli military base (Mossad), with rescue workers saying several people were trapped under the truck.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/27/truck-rams-into-people-at-tel-aviv-bus-stop-wounding-dozens


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wghDoDsarEk

Jimbuna
10-27-24, 07:51 AM
Iran faces hard choices between risks of escalation or looking weak

Israel’s attack on Iran deepens the war in the Middle East. Avoiding, or risking, an even worse escalation is at the heart of decisions being taken by Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and his key advisors.

They must decide on the least bad of a series of difficult choices. At one end of the spectrum is hitting back with another wave of ballistic missiles. Israel has already threatened to retaliate again if that happens.

At the other is deciding to draw a line under the destructive exchanges of direct strikes on their respective territories. The risk for Iran if it holds its fire is that looks weak, intimidated and deterred by Israel’s military power and political determination, backed up by the United States.

In the end, the supreme leader and his advisers are likely to take the decision that, in their view, does least harm to the survival of Iran’s Islamic regime.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2742rynqgo

Jimbuna
10-28-24, 07:50 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty56L8SzxCc

Exocet25fr
10-28-24, 09:22 AM
Hezbollah's Chilling 'Direct Attack' Threat; Orders 'Israeli Settlers' To Flee Northern Israel Towns...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsjB-LjoV0k


Hezbollah's Fiery Revenge for Iran? Massive Rocket Barrage Targets Israeli Air Base Near Tel Aviv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1l6gA7cCJA

Jimbuna
10-28-24, 12:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQTPOaj7TTo

Exocet25fr
10-29-24, 12:13 PM
The Genocide is always in process.....!:D Drang nach Nordosten...

Israeli strikes reportedly kill more than 150 in northern Gaza and Lebanon

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/29/israel-pounds-north-gaza-lebanons-east-killing-over-100-people

Jimbuna
10-29-24, 01:09 PM
One way of putting it...."Don't turn up to a gun fight with only a knife"

Jimbuna
10-30-24, 11:28 AM
Israel military chief says if Iran attacks we will hit back with capabilities that we did not even use last time

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel's military chief warned Iran on Tuesday to stand down from any retaliation for Israel's airstrikes near Tehran last week, which followed an Iranian missile barrage on Oct. 1.

"If Iran makes the mistake of launching another missile barrage at Israel, we will once again know how to reach Iran, with capabilities that we did not even use this time," chief of the general staff Herzi Halevi told air and ground crews who took part in the strike on Iran against missile factories and other sites last Saturday.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/israel-military-chief-says-if-iran-attacks-we-will-hit-back-with-capabilities-that-we-did-not-even-use-last-time/ar-AA1t9ohJ?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=e1a47e7da0a4499fbc7e7ebfb650bdf3&ei=23

Exocet25fr
10-30-24, 12:36 PM
Iran Says Missile Production Not Disrupted by Israeli Strikes

On Monday, Israel's Defense Minister Yoav Gallant congratulated Israeli pilots for damaging Iran's production capabilities in airstrikes meant to respond to Iran's Oct. 1 missile barrage against Israel.

"The (production) knowledge is indigenous, so there is no disruption in the manufacturing process of missiles," Nasirzadeh said, also implying that a defense system may have been damaged in the attack as he said it was "replaced the day after".

Iranian state media also reported on Tuesday that Nasirzadeh said the country was still able "to carry a dozen more missile barrages" against Israel as seen on Oct. 1 and April 13.

https://english.aawsat.com/world/5076378-iran-says-missile-production-not-disrupted-israeli-strikes

Jimbuna
10-30-24, 12:39 PM
Personally I'd believe Israel before Iran any day of the week.

Exocet25fr
10-30-24, 01:04 PM
Sheikh Qassem: Hezbollah will disrupt Israel’s ‘major scheme’ in region

Hezbollah will continue to fight to disrupt the Israeli regime’s plot against the entire region, says the Lebanese Resistance movement’s newly-appointed chief.

“We will continue to implement the war plan laid out by Sayyed Nasrallah, and we will remain on the path of war within established political directions.”

“Some argue that Israel was provoked, but does Israel need a pretext? Have we forgotten 75 years of killing Palestinians, displacing them, seizing the land and sanctities, and committing massacres?”

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/10/30/736302/Hezbollah-qassem-Israel

Jimbuna
10-31-24, 07:42 AM
Hezbollah chief says group will hold out for ‘suitable’ ceasefire terms

Hezbollah’s newly named leader Naim Kassem said in his first public comments that the militant group will keep fighting in its ongoing war with Israel until it is offered ceasefire terms it deems acceptable.

“If the Israelis decide to stop the aggression, we say that we accept, but according to the conditions that we see as suitable,” Mr Kassem said, speaking from an undisclosed location in a pre-recorded televised address.

“We will not beg for a cease fire as we will continue (fighting)… no matter how long it takes.”

The speech came as international mediators have launched a new push for negotiated ceasefires in Lebanon and Gaza.

More than 2,790 people have been killed and 12,700 wounded in Lebanon since October 8, 2023, when Hezbollah began firing rockets into Israel, drawing retaliation, according to Lebanon’s Health Ministry.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/hezbollah-chief-says-group-will-hold-out-for-suitable-ceasefire-terms/ar-AA1tcZay?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=4c2d9c6977b146beb9a252330a2a35a3&ei=84

Reece
10-31-24, 06:13 PM
Hezbollah chief says group will hold out for ‘suitable’ ceasefire terms
. . . so they can continue developing their nukes without hindrance!! :timeout:

Jimbuna
11-01-24, 06:46 AM
. . . so they can continue developing their nukes without hindrance!! :timeout:

Heaven forbid they should ever achieve anything even remotely close to this.

Skybird
11-01-24, 07:17 AM
remotely close to this.Where have you lived the past 15, 20 years...?

They are close to it, no doubt.


I linked/posted the following before, I repeat it:



Like most elements, natural uranium consists of a mixture of different atoms that are indistinguishable “from the outside”, particularly in terms of their chemical properties, but whose atomic nuclei have different weights. For example, the nitrogen that we breathe in and out by the liter every minute consists of two different “isotopes”, known as N14 and N15, where the numbers stand for the mass of the nuclei. Uranium consists of U235 and U238. Only U235 is suitable for conventional nuclear power plants and bombs, and only 0.72% of this isotope is found in nature: in 140 atoms there is only one of the desired type.

In order to operate a typical reactor, this concentration of 0.72% must be “enriched” to at least 4%. To build a nuclear bomb, however, it must be 90%. This “enrichment” of natural uranium is an extremely complex process.

In order to prevent a country from building its own nuclear bombs, but without blocking access to peaceful nuclear energy, the aforementioned IAEA was founded in 1957 under the umbrella of the United Nations. Its inspectors are supposed to ensure that no uranium is enriched beyond the level of <4%. This limit was also agreed again with Iran in the JCPOA. In 2021, however, the country loudly announced that it would now enrich to 20%. In February 2024, IAEA inspectors then discovered devices in underground factories that had been installed for even higher enrichment. In August, the IAEA finally found 165 kg of uranium enriched to 60%. A further enrichment to 90%, i.e. one and a half times, would now be a small step.

In other words, 100 kg of weapons-grade uranium could be produced from the 60% stockpile in a short space of time! You would need 25 kg per bomb. And so the DG, the Director General of the IAEA, Rafael Mariano Grossi, warned that Tehran had enough near-weapons-grade uranium to produce “several” nuclear bombs if it wanted to. And there is probably no doubt that the mullas want this; why else would they have gone to all this trouble? And they don't mind the world finding out about it.Note: each subsequent 10% enrichment level takes much less time than a previous one. It takes a lot of time to achieve an enrichment from <1% to 10%. To achieve an enrichment from 70% to 80% takes only a fraction of that time.

Exocet25fr
11-01-24, 10:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFDhwmsToqA

Exocet25fr
11-08-24, 05:24 AM
France's foreign ministry said it would summon Israel's ambassador after Israeli police Thursday entered the French-owned Eleona church compound in Jerusalem and briefly detained two gendarmes. These degenerates think they have everything allowed....!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiG4QhbQcC8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnUDovJjHMc

Skybird
11-08-24, 06:13 AM
(...) These degenerates (...)

https://i.postimg.cc/9M8g8KkZ/Unbenannt.png (https://postimages.org/)

Careful now.


Even more so after last evening's events in Amsterdam.

Exocet25fr
11-08-24, 06:48 AM
^

Degenerates policemen....YES!, what does this have to do with Amsterdam ?:yeah:

Amsterdam isn't French, you don't know that...?

Learn about the French domains:

The church compound, also known as the “Church of the Pater Noster,” for the belief that Jesus taught his disciples the Lord’s Prayer there, is administered by France, as one of four so-called “French national domains in the Holy Land.”

The “French domains” — which also include the Tomb of the Kings and the Church of Saint Anne in Jerusalem and the Benedictine monastery in Abu Ghosh — have been the site of previous diplomatic incidents.

“The Eleona domain… is an area that has not only belonged to France for more than 150 years, but whose security France ensures,” Barrot told press on Thursday.

“The integrity of the four domains that France is responsible for here in Jerusalem must be respected”.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/police-briefly-detain-french-guards-at-jerusalem-holy-site-sparking-diplomatic-row/

Jimbuna
11-08-24, 11:31 AM
Nearly 70% of Gaza war dead are women and children, UN says

The UN's Human Rights Office has condemned the high number of civilians killed in the war in Gaza, saying its analysis shows close to 70% of verified victims over a six-month period were women and children.

The agency said the high number was largely due to Israel's use of weapons with wide-area effects in densely populated areas, although some deaths may have been the result of errant projectiles by Palestinian armed groups.

The report said it found "unprecedented" levels of international law violations, raising concerns about "war crimes and other possible atrocity crimes".

Israel has in the past said it targets Hamas and takes steps to mitigate risk to civilians by using precise munitions.

The BBC contacted the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) for comment in response to Friday's report.

The UN agency said it verified the details of 8,119 people killed in Gaza from November 2023 to April 2024.

Its analysis found around 44% of verified victims were children and 26% women. The ages most represented among the dead were five to nine-year-olds.

About 80% of victims were killed in residential buildings or similar housing, the agency added.

The report said the data indicates "an apparent indifference to the death of civilians and the impact of the means and methods of warfare".

Gaza's Hamas-run health ministry, whose figures the UN sees as reliable, has reported a death toll of more than 43,300 people over the past 13 months. Many more bodies are believed to remain under the rubble of bombarded buildings.

The health ministry said it obtained full demographic data for a majority of those killed and reported that children account for one in three of that number.

UN Human Rights Chief Volker Türk said in a statement that "this unprecedented level of killing, and injury of civilians is a direct consequence of the failure to comply with fundamental principles of international humanitarian law".

He cited the laws of distinction, which requires warring parties to distinguish between combatants and civilians, proportionality, which prohibits attacks where harm to civilians outweighs military advantage, and precautions in attacks.

Türk called for a "due reckoning with respect to the allegations of serious violations of international law".

The IDF has previously told the BBC in response to criticism that it "will continue to act, as it always has done, according to international law".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn5wel11pgdo

Exocet25fr
11-08-24, 12:47 PM
About Amsterdam, BBC should be prosecuted for miss information....!:D

Read the comments of the following video:

"no school in Gaza because there are no children left"
Chanted by the Israeli football fans

Mention the racist chants and the disrespect towards the victims of Valencia

I am American living in Amsterdam. My friend was at the football match. He said there were a group of people (presumed Israeli) chanting slurs against Palastine. Thus provoking the Muslim fans. So if you taunt and provoke people you have to expect repercussions.

Shame on the BBC for once again, NOT telling the truth!

I was in Amsterdam yesterday, and as a local, I can tell you that the riot started when Israeli football supporters tore down Palestinian flags from homes and shouted disrespectful slogans about the lives of Palestinians. They were incredibly rude and provocative towards everyone, even vandalizing taxi driversÂ’ cars. Their actions clearly sparked the unrest, and now theyÂ’re playing the victim in the aftermath.

And what about the racist chants of the Israeli fans and their burning of flags - is that not to be prosecuted - Are the Netherlands going to extradite those criminals?

It is antisemitic to not allow far right football hooligans to rampage across European cities chanting genocidal songs and disrupting a minutes silence for victims of the floods in Valencia. It's a pogrom

I just saw the BBC report of the violence on TV. It reported that Palestinian flags were burnt and songs were sang about Gaza not needing Schools as all the children are dead. Then it went to Amsterdams' major, Israeli politicians and EU leaders all criticising and condemning anti-semitism. Not a single word about the Jewish provocation.

Funny how they donÂ’t mention the chants by Israeli fans boasting their murder of Gazans and Lebanese.

They think they are untouchable, thinking no one else has the right to defend themselves.

etc.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5zGKHod42E

Dargo
11-09-24, 06:49 AM
There was a lot of police on the beat, Thursday night in the capital. More than 800 police officers were on hand. An exceptionally large number, even for Amsterdam. But they could not prevent violent assaults on football fans from Israel. On Wednesday night, the Amsterdam triangle (police, judiciary, mayor) decided to ban the pro-Palestinian demonstration at the Arena. on Wednesday night, the first reports of vandalism and violence from Maccabi supporters arrive. Footage shows Israelis pulling a Palestinian flag off a building on Rokin and setting it on fire and smashing home windows.

Footage also circulated showing hooligans beating a taxi with an iron chain, kicking a driver. After that beating, a group of taxi drivers chased the supporters into a casino on Max Euweplein. One supporter ended up in the water and was forced to shout ‘Free Palestine’. One woman warns of ‘the consequences for the Islamic community, which will be blamed’. Several activists stress the futility of violence. ‘It's going to happen anyway,’ says someone. 'Even without pro-Palestinian supporters. The battle is on. It is now the Amsterdam youth against these IOF (Israeli Occupation Forces, ed.) hooligans.' On Thursday afternoon, Maccabi supporters gather in downtown Amsterdam. They wave Israeli flags, applaud the actions of the Israeli army, chant ‘**** the Arabs’, carry banners with pictures of Israeli soldiers, and plaster the Dam full of stickers of these ‘heroes’.

That evening, a group of less than a hundred pro-Palestinians turned up at Anton de Komplein, not far from the Arena. ‘It is a different crowd than usual at pro-Palestinian demonstrations’. They are almost exclusively adolescents and young men, dressed entirely in black and with their faces covered.' They end up in a cat and mouse game with the riot police. Dozens of videos circulating online show Maccabi supporters being chased, assaulted and beaten up by hooded men with Palestinian flags on their backs. ‘Tonight the world is going to see that the People's Army don't like those Israeli dogs (sic.),’ reads Snapchat.

Police are investigating the extent to which taxi drivers were involved in the violence. ‘Player bus blocking those cancerous Jews,’ says someone in a Telegram group for taxi drivers with over 3,700 members. ‘Hang Palestinian flags in the city,’ says another. ‘They are going to come there like rats.’ Many Maccabi fans feared for their lives on Thursday night. ‘In Israel, because of all the threats, we are always mentally prepared to fight,’ says Menashe in the lunchroom. 'There, too, there is always back-up from the army or Shin Bet. But here, in a strange city, you have no safety net. We were on our own.'

Advice never, but utterly never in the Netherlands pull shenanigans with taxi drivers who are bad, you will very quickly get the entire mob of any town in the Nederland on your neck, then fleeing no longer helps.

Jimbuna
11-09-24, 01:33 PM
Qatar quits Gaza peace talks after kicking Hamas out of country

Qatar has withdrawn as a key mediator for a Gaza ceasefire and hostage deal and warned Hamas that its Doha office ‘no longer serves its purpose’, a diplomatic source has said.

The country has also told the terror group to leave the country, after the US complained they should not be able to seek refuge in the Gulf country.

‘The Qataris informed both the Israelis and Hamas that as long as there is a refusal to negotiate a deal in good faith, they cannot continue to mediate,’ the source said on condition of anonymity.

‘As a consequence, the Hamas political office no longer serves its purpose.’

Qatar, with the United Sates and Egypt, has been engaged in months of fruitless negotiations for a truce with hostage and prisoner releases.

The informed source said Qatar had already ‘notified both sides, Israel and Hamas as well as the US administration’ of its decision.

‘The Qataris conveyed to the US administration that they would be ready to re-engage in mediation when both sides… demonstrate a sincere willingness to return to the negotiating table’, the source added.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/qatar-quits-gaza-peace-talks-after-kicking-hamas-out-of-country/ar-AA1tNfR5?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=5fdca279337c46f595fc8c48c94cd1db&ei=18

Jimbuna
11-11-24, 12:22 PM
Israeli strikes on north Lebanon and Gaza kill dozens, officials and rescuers say

Israeli strikes on northern Lebanon and Gaza have killed dozens of people including several children, rescuers and officials say.

The Lebanese health ministry said at least 23 people including seven children were killed on Sunday in Almat near Byblos, to the north of the capital Beirut.

In northern Gaza, the civil defence agency said at least 30 people were killed in Israeli strikes on two houses in the besieged enclave.

The first strike early Sunday hit a house in Jabalia, killing "at least 25" people, including 13 children, and injuring more than 30, according to the agency.

Another five people were killed in the Sabra neighbourhood of Gaza City and some are still missing in the aftermath, the civil defence agency said.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said Hezbollah had stored weapons at, and were operating from, the site it had targeted in Lebanon.

It added "numerous steps were taken to mitigate the risk of harm to civilians, including the use of aerial surveillance and precise intelligence".

The IDF said it struck a site in Jabalia where "terrorists were operating" and in the case of that strike as well, steps had been taken to mitigate civilian harm.

The details of both incidents were under review, it said.

The Lebanese health ministry said rescue workers were still searching the rubble after the strike in Almat.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd6v3zq2jvjo

Exocet25fr
11-12-24, 06:04 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJB_T4O1KqY

Jimbuna
11-12-24, 09:04 AM
Israel has missed US deadline to boost Gaza aid, UN agency says

The main UN aid agency in Gaza says Israel has failed to meet a US deadline to boost aid to the territory or risk a reduction in American military aid.

Last month, in a strongly worded letter, the US secretary of state gave Israel an ultimatum of 30 days to ensure more aid trucks reached Gaza daily. The deadline expires on Tuesday.

The amount of aid getting into Gaza is at its lowest level in a year, the UN says. A UN-backed report recently warned that there was an imminent likelihood of famine in northern Gaza, where hardly any aid has entered in the past month.

Israel says it has substantially increased the amount of aid getting into Gaza, and accuses aid agencies of failing to adequately distribute it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8rl0v76nxyo

Exocet25fr
11-13-24, 08:19 AM
UN aid chief warns of ‘gravest crimes’ committed in Israel’s war on Gaza

Joyce Msuya tells UN Security Council that the ‘daily cruelty we see in Gaza seems to have no limits’. Israel’s military continues to bombard, besiege and prevent aid from reaching the civilian population.

Palestinian civilians have been driven from their homes by Israel’s military and “forced to witness their family members killed, burned and buried alive” in Gaza, which Msuya described as “a wasteland of rubble”.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/13/un-aid-chief-warns-of-gravest-crimes-committed-in-israels-war-on-gaza

Jimbuna
11-13-24, 10:28 AM
Israeli construction along buffer zone with Syria violates ceasefire, UN says

The United Nations says Israeli construction along a demilitarised buffer zone with Syria has led to “severe violations” of a 50-year-old ceasefire agreement, which risk increasing tensions along their shared frontier in the occupied Golan Heights.

Satellite photographs show new trenches and earth berms dug over the past few months along the length of what is known as the Area of Separation (AoS).

The BBC has filmed construction taking place alongside a military vehicle near the town of Majdal Shams, and fresh earthworks in rural land further south. The work in both locations is believed to lie within Israeli-controlled areas.

The UN Disengagement Observer Force (UNDOF) says most of the Israeli construction does not breach the AoS, but that some trenches - dug under protection from military vehicles including tanks - do cross into it, and that Israeli army vehicles and personnel have also entered the buffer zone.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpwrvw7x8j9o

Exocet25fr
11-14-24, 11:02 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2c1lwMMNYY

Jimbuna
11-14-24, 01:58 PM
Hamas: 'We're ready for a ceasefire deal'

Hamas says it is ready to secure a Gaza ceasefire deal "immediately" but claims it has not had any "serious proposals" from Israel in months, an official for the group has told Sky News.

Dr Basem Naim also suggested Hamas has no regrets about the 7 October attacks which killed 1,200 Israelis last year, despite the ensuing war in Gaza that has killed tens of thousands of Palestinians.

He accused Israel of "big massacres" in Gaza and said Hamas has not received any "serious proposals" for a ceasefire since the assassination of its leader Ismail Haniyeh.

Appearing on The World With Yalda Hakim, he said the last "well-defined, brokered deal" was on 2 July.

"It was discussed in all details and I think we were near to a ceasefire... which can end this war, offer a permanent ceasefire and total withdrawal and prisoner exchange.

"Unfortunately [Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu preferred to go the other way," Dr Naim said.

Asked about the upcoming change in administration in the US, Dr Naim said Hamas is calling on "any president" - including Donald Trump - to take the necessary steps to stop the war immediately.
https://news.sky.com/story/hamas-ready-for-gaza-ceasefire-immediately-but-claims-israel-has-put-forward-no-serious-proposals-in-months-13254181

Exocet25fr
11-15-24, 02:31 PM
Moment 'Israeli fans launch attacks on French rivals during flashpoint football match in Paris after being taunted over Gaza': Supporters flee seats as fists fly despite huge SAS-style security crackdown in wake of anti-Semitic violence across Europe

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14084503/Violence-France-football-match-against-Israel.html

Dargo
11-15-24, 02:51 PM
Moment 'Israeli fans launch attacks on French rivals during flashpoint football match in Paris after being taunted over Gaza': Supporters flee seats as fists fly despite huge SAS-style security crackdown in wake of anti-Semitic violence across Europe

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14084503/Violence-France-football-match-against-Israel.htmlMaccabi Tel Aviv are known for their violence, anti-Muslim, Hooliganism Turkey banned them. What we see now in France and before in Amsterdam is what always happens when these Hooligans are abroad. Nothing to do with anti-Semitic violence, it is Hooliganism. Even Israeli secret services warns every country that it always goes violent with Maccabi Tel Aviv.

Jimbuna
11-16-24, 06:01 AM
Maccabi Tel Aviv are known for their violence, anti-Muslim, Hooliganism Turkey banned them. What we see now in France and before in Amsterdam is what always happens when these Hooligans are abroad. Nothing to do with anti-Semitic violence, it is Hooliganism. Even Israeli secret services warns every country that it always goes violent with Maccabi Tel Aviv.

Agreed :yep:

Jimbuna
11-16-24, 06:10 AM
Lebanese leader asks Iran to help secure a ceasefire between Hezbollah and Israel

A Lebanese official confirmed that Beirut has received a copy of a draft proposal based on UN Security Council resolution 1701, which ended the last Israel-Hezbollah war in 2006.

Hezbollah officials are said to be studying the draft.

According to Lebanese media, US Ambassador to Lebanon Lisa Johnson gave a draft proposal to Parliament Speaker Nabih Berri who has been leading the talks representing Hezbollah.

After meeting Mikati and Berri, Larijani said the main purpose of his visit was ''to loudly say that we will stand by Lebanon's government and people.''

Asked if he was trying to thwart US ceasefire mediation, Larijani said, ''We are not trying to blow up any effort, but we want to solve the problem and we will stand by Lebanon, whatever the circumstances.''
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/lebanese-leader-asks-iran-to-help-secure-a-ceasefire-between-hezbollah-and-israel/ar-AA1ub5ob?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=e8c87c51e431405fb1cb04682f382ee1&ei=44

Jimbuna
11-17-24, 11:51 AM
Two bombs strike Israeli Prime Minister's residence

Two bombs fell on the grounds of the residence of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The report specifies that these were incendiary bombs, according to Reuters.

On Saturday, November 16, two incendiary bombs were discovered in the garden of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's residence in the city of Caesarea, northern Israel. Neither Netanyahu nor his family were present at the residence during the attack, and no damage was reported.

Israel's Defense Minister Israel Katz stated that this incident crosses "all red lines."

"It is not possible for the Prime Minister of Israel, who is threatened by Iran and its proxies who are trying to assassinate him, to be subject to the same threats from home," he emphasized.

Israeli President Isaac Herzog condemned the incident and announced the launch of an investigation.

In October, a Hezbollah drone attacked Netanyahu's Caesarea residence. Representatives of the Prime Minister confirmed that neither Netanyahu nor his wife were at the residence at the time of the strike.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/two-bombs-strike-israeli-prime-minister-s-residence/ar-AA1ueM1N?ocid=msedgntp&pc=ENTPSP&cvid=fe6a039b218d436a98b799d1aa15b224&ei=24

Jimbuna
11-18-24, 08:09 AM
Hezbollah's chief propagandist eliminated in Beirut

On Sunday, November 17, Israeli military forces carried out an airstrike on the Lebanese capital, Beirut. As a result of the attack, Mohammed Afif, the chief propagandist and spokesperson for the terrorist organization Hezbollah, was eliminated, according to the Israel Defense Forces (IDF).

The airstrike was carried out on Sunday, November 17.

It is noted that Mohammed Afif was a high-ranking military operative of Hezbollah, who joined the terrorist organization in the 1980s.

Since the beginning of the war, the propagandist had a significant influence on Hezbollah's military operations. He communicated with senior officials and was directly involved in developing and carrying out the group's terrorist activities against Israel.

Moreover, Afif directed Hezbollah operatives to gather footage from the field, to be used for Hezbollah's propaganda and psychological terror. He also received orders from Hezbollah's senior military commanders regarding Hezbollah's responsibility for the UAV attack on the Prime Minister of Israel’s residence, in Caesarea on October 19th, 2024," the statement reads.

The IDF also added that the messages Afif broadcasted to Lebanese media glorified and incited terrorist activities against Israel. The terrorist was responsible for numerous psychological warfare operations targeting the Israeli public.

The source: Israel Defense Forces (idfanc.activetrail.biz)

Hezbollah confirmed the death of its chief spokesperson, who was the head of the group's media relations department.

The militants stated that he was killed in an airstrike on the headquarters of the Syrian Ba'ath Party in central Beirut, not at the Hezbollah stronghold in the southern suburbs of the capital.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/hezbollah-s-chief-propagandist-eliminated-in-beirut/ar-AA1ugh7K?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=9268394a395e4e82bcd87d045d7bf281&ei=25

Jimbuna
11-19-24, 07:51 AM
Lebanon and Hezbollah agree to US proposal for ceasefire with Israel - Reuters

Lebanon and Hezbollah have agreed to the US proposal for a ceasefire with Israel. However, some reservations were expressed regarding the details of the agreement, reports Reuters.

Ali Hassan Khalil, an aide to Parliament Speaker Nabih Berri, stated that Lebanon sent a written response to the US Ambassador in Lebanon on Monday, while White House special envoy Amos Hochstein is heading to Beirut to continue the negotiations. Hezbollah, for its part, supported its long-time ally, Speaker of the Lebanese Parliament Nabih Berri, in the efforts to negotiate a ceasefire.

"Lebanon presented its comments on the paper in a positive atmosphere. All the comments that we presented affirm the precise adherence to (U.N.) Resolution 1701 with all its provisions," Khalil said.

Reuters clarifies that he was referring to UN Security Council Resolution 1701, which ended the previous war between Hezbollah and Israel in 2006.

The conditions in the document require that Hezbollah not have a military presence in the area between the Lebanese-Israeli border and the Litani River, which flows approximately 30 kilometers north of the border.

Khalil stated that the success of the initiative now depends on Israel. He added that if the Israeli side does not want a resolution, it can create 100 problems.

Israel has long claimed that Resolution 1701 was never properly implemented, pointing to the presence of Hezbollah fighters and weapons along the border. Meanwhile, Lebanon has accused Israel of violations, including the flights of military aircraft in its airspace.

Khalil also stated that Israel is attempting to negotiate under fire, referring to the escalation of bombings in Beirut and the southern suburbs controlled by Hezbollah.

"This won't affect our position," the assistant to the Speaker of the Lebanese Parliament added.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/lebanon-and-hezbollah-agree-to-us-proposal-for-ceasefire-with-israel-reuters/ar-AA1ukOdO?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=0b3d9a20d4984b4989df33736edb47c6&ei=16

Exocet25fr
11-19-24, 12:42 PM
USI = Israel FIRST !:D America SECOND !

How AIPAC shapes unconditional US support for Israel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWRRka4pp3E


On genocide, Trump will be no different from Biden

Trump has picked ‘staunchly pro-Israel’ cadres for his administration, just like all other US presidents of the past 75 years.

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/11/19/on-genocide-trump-will-be-no-different-from-biden

Jimbuna
11-19-24, 12:51 PM
IDF: Here's how Hezbollah rockets fell short and hit a UNIFIL base

Earlier on Tuesday, a report was received that a UNIFIL post in the area of Ramyeh in southern Lebanon had been hit, causing several injuries and damage to the post.

An IDF review determined that Hezbollah fired a rocket that fell short and hit the UNIFIL post, the IDF said in a later statement.

IDF graphic showing how a Hezbollah rocket fell short hitting a UNIFIL base, November 19, 2024. (credit: IDF SPOKESPERSON UNIT)
The rocket was fired from the area of Deir Aames, one of many fired by Hezbollah in a barrage launched at Israel at 09:50 this morning.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/idf-here-s-how-hezbollah-rockets-fell-short-and-hit-a-unifil-base/ar-AA1umt3y?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=01ad0a17150e4b86b75dd5a258e3086f&ei=43

Exocet25fr
11-20-24, 01:37 PM
^
19 Nov 2024: Earlier on Tuesday, ItalyÂ’s Ministry of Defence reported that eight rockets hit the headquarters of the Italian contingent of the UN peacekeeping force, UNIFIL, in Chama, in southern Lebanon, and Ghanaian peacekeepers were injured in a rocket explosion in nearby Ramyah.

20 Nov 2024: Investigations are also UNDER WAY to determine where the rockets originated and to identify those responsible for the attack, which hit some outdoor areas and the baseÂ’s supply warehouse.

UNIFIL has previously referred to “unacceptable pressures being exerted on the mission through various channels”, amid demands by the Israeli military for UN personnel to leave their bases and withdraw from southern Lebanon.

UNIFIL has rejected IsraelÂ’s demands to evacuate from southern Lebanon for its own safety.

Israeli attack kills 3 more Lebanese soldiers as death toll passes 40. The number of Lebanese troops killed in Israeli attacks since October 2023 is reported to have reached 41 after latest attack kills three soldiers

Exocet25fr
11-21-24, 05:40 AM
Holocaust survivor draws parallels between her childhood and Gaza children

'I have experienced what the children in Gaza are experiencing now,' Marione Ingram tells Anadolu

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/holocaust-survivor-draws-parallels-between-her-childhood-and-gaza-children/3159915

The Gaza Strip is a graveyard for thousands of children, the United Nations has said.

Since October 7, 2023, Israel has killed at least 17,400 children in Gaza, according to Palestinian officials.

That is one child killed every 30 minutes.

Thousands more are missing under the rubble, most of them presumed dead.

The surviving children, many of whom have endured the traumatic impact of multiple wars, have spent their lives under the shadow of an Israeli blockade, influencing every aspect of their existence from birth.

Among the documented children killed, there are at least:

710 babies below the age of one
1,793 toddlers (1-3 years old)
1,205 preschoolers (4-5 years old)
4,205 primary school children (6-12 years old)
3,442 high school children (13-17 years old)

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2024/11/20/an-a-z-of-the-children-israel-killed-in-gaza

Jimbuna
11-21-24, 07:41 AM
International court issues arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Hamas officials

The International Criminal Court has issued arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, his former defence minister and Hamas officials.

They are accused of war crimes and crimes against humanity over the war in Gaza and the October 2023 attacks that triggered Israel’s offensive in the Palestinian territory.

The decision turns Mr Netanyahu and the others into internationally wanted suspects and is likely to further isolate them and complicate efforts to negotiate a ceasefire to end the 13-month conflict.

But its practical implications could be limited since Israel and its major ally, the United States, are not members of the court and several of the Hamas officials have been killed in the conflict.

Mr Netanyahu and other Israeli leaders have condemned ICC chief prosecutor Karim Khan’s request for warrants as disgraceful and antisemitic.

US President Joe Biden also criticised the prosecutor and expressed support for Israel’s right to defend itself against Hamas. Hamas also condemned Mr Khan’s request.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/international-court-issues-arrest-warrants-for-netanyahu-and-hamas-officials/ar-AA1uuLV7?ocid=msedgntp&pc=ENTPSP&cvid=a7faa684cde0475aac35a2d733ed35b3&ei=34

Exocet25fr
11-21-24, 12:38 PM
Mr Netanyahu and other Israeli leaders have condemned ICC chief prosecutor Karim Khan’s request for warrants as disgraceful and antisemitic. :haha::har:

Antisemitic fallacious argument: critisize Israel ISN'T antisemitic!!!:yeah:

In France, we have the same fallacious argument with the CRIF..............!

Jimbuna
11-22-24, 07:30 AM
Two Tier Keir now has a decision to make.

Exocet25fr
11-23-24, 07:20 AM
The Israeli military used cluster bombs to destroy a residential building in Basta al-Fawqa neighbourhood.....

A powerful Israeli air strike on central Beirut killed 11 people and wounded 63 before dawn on Saturday, bringing down a residential building and jolting residents awake across the Lebanese capital. The attack destroyed an eight-storey building in the Basta al-Fawqa neighbourhood, resulting in a large number of casualties.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-strikes-central-beirut-predawn-attack-killing

Exocet25fr
11-23-24, 07:34 AM
https://youtu.be/VcDfF0aHP7I

Skybird
11-23-24, 07:47 AM
Blödsinn.

Cluster bombs and bunker busting bombs are two VERY different designs. The article contradicts itself by claiming it was a cluster bomb, and later says it was a bunker busting bomb. Cluster amunitions are designed to cover a huge area with small bomblet, If you want to crumble a big building, you take one big warhead ordnance for ehat in essenc eis not an area but a point target, maybe with a penetrator charge attached to it.

But it feels so good and rightous to accuse Israel of using cluster ammuntiion in civilian areas, they are so criminal these inhumane Jews, aren't they... Thats why they, whenever they cna, warn people in target areas of a bombing and giv e them time to save themselkves and neighbours. Hamas and Hezbollah dont do that, but hide behind playing children and women's skirts. The scum of the earth.

Israel is doing what it realized after 1700 slaughtered Jews that it should have done much earlier - it is removing Hamas and Hezbollah from their supposedly ancestral core territories, and kicking them out, without compromise.

Before the war, it was said that Hamas and Hezbollah could not be defeated militarily. These voices have since fallen silent, for obvious reasons. The haters of Israel in the West will not forgive Israel for daring to defend its citizens, even if only after a grim and bloody wake-up call.

You reap what you have sown. Corruption haunts Gaza, Lebanon, West Jordan. People, where allowed, vote these corrupot elements in, do not rebel, do not revolt, do not chase them away. They let this happen in their places. You reap what yxou have sown. They could have ha dpeace and moderayte wealth SINCE DECADES, but they rejected it every time in a bid for getting all and evertyhing - by a faint hope of destroying Israel and chasing all Jews away.

Yes, you reap what you have sown. My sympathy is absolutely limited.


Heck, even their Arab brothers and sister in other countries do not want to have anythign to do with the Palestinian Aabs, or Hezbollah in Lebanon. Their protests to Israel are surprisingly mild.

Exocet25fr
11-23-24, 12:14 PM
^
You reap what you have sown, you are right !:yep:

A history stained with innocent blood: A chronicle of Israel’s massacres in Palestine

It started with the mass killings and forced displacement of Palestinians in 1948, continuing through over half a century of military occupation, repeated military assaults on Gaza, and official Israeli statements that openly express support for the elimination of Palestinians.

- Deir Yassin Massacre (April 1948)
- Abu Shusha Massacre (May 1948)
- Tantura Massacre (May 1948)
- Lydda Massacre (July 1948)
- Saliha Massacre (October 1948)
- Al-Dawayima Massacre (October, 1948)
- Qibya Massacre (October 1953)
- Kafr Qasim Massacre (October 1956)
- Khan Yunis Massacre (November 1956)
- Sabra and Shatila Massacres (September 1982)*********
- Al-Aqsa Massacre (October 1990)
- The Ibrahimi Mosque Massacre (February 1994)
- Jenin Refugee Camp (April 2002)

Multiple Israeli attacks in Gaza have led to significant Palestinian casualties:

2008-2009
With phosphorus munitions in the air over populated areas:
deaths of 1,166 to 1,417 Palestinians!

2012:
Israeli attacks intensified, murdering 165 Palestinians, including 42 children, and injuring 1,220 Palestinians, including 430 children.

2014:
Israel then launched a ground invasion into Gaza, resulting in the loss of 2,205 Palestinian lives.

2018-2019
Israeli forces were responsible for the loss of 223 Palestinian lives, while more than 13,000 Palestinians sustained injuries, the majority of which were severe, and approximately 1,400 individuals were struck by three to five bullets.

2021:
Tragic loss of 260 Palestinian lives, with half of the casualties being children and women. Additionally, 1,948 individuals sustained injuries, including 610 children and 400 women.


https://english.ahram.org.eg/News/510520.aspx


Israeli settler violence

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settler_violence


Israel returns ‘decomposed’ bodies of 89 Palestinians to Gaza

Government Media Office in Gaza says Israel has ‘stolen’ 2,000 bodies since October 7 and sent some of them in ‘an inhumane manner’.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/5/israel-returns-decomposed-bodies-of-89-palestinians-to-gaza

Is it enough or NOT.....!

Jimbuna
11-23-24, 12:55 PM
Blödsinn.

Cluster bombs and bunker busting bombs are two VERY different designs. The article contradicts itself by claiming it was a cluster bomb, and later says it was a bunker busting bomb. Cluster amunitions are designed to cover a huge area with small bomblet, If you want to crumble a big building, you take one big warhead ordnance for ehat in essenc eis not an area but a point target, maybe with a penetrator charge attached to it.

But it feels so good and rightous to accuse Israel of using cluster ammuntiion in civilian areas, they are so criminal these inhumane Jews, aren't they... Thats why they, whenever they cna, warn people in target areas of a bombing and giv e them time to save themselkves and neighbours. Hamas and Hezbollah dont do that, but hide behind playing children and women's skirts. The scum of the earth.

Israel is doing what it realized after 1700 slaughtered Jews that it should have done much earlier - it is removing Hamas and Hezbollah from their supposedly ancestral core territories, and kicking them out, without compromise.

Before the war, it was said that Hamas and Hezbollah could not be defeated militarily. These voices have since fallen silent, for obvious reasons. The haters of Israel in the West will not forgive Israel for daring to defend its citizens, even if only after a grim and bloody wake-up call.

You reap what you have sown. Corruption haunts Gaza, Lebanon, West Jordan. People, where allowed, vote these corrupot elements in, do not rebel, do not revolt, do not chase them away. They let this happen in their places. You reap what yxou have sown. They could have ha dpeace and moderayte wealth SINCE DECADES, but they rejected it every time in a bid for getting all and evertyhing - by a faint hope of destroying Israel and chasing all Jews away.

Yes, you reap what you have sown. My sympathy is absolutely limited.


Heck, even their Arab brothers and sister in other countries do not want to have anythign to do with the Palestinian Aabs, or Hezbollah in Lebanon. Their protests to Israel are surprisingly mild.

Says it all really and I'll add Egypt building that huge impenetrable wall to a growing list.

Jimbuna
11-24-24, 12:19 PM
Israel says rabbi who went missing in the UAE was killed

TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) — Israel said Sunday that the body of an Israeli-Moldovan rabbi who went missing in the United Arab Emirates has been found after he was killed in what it described as a “heinous antisemitic terror incident.”

The statement from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office said Israel “will act with all means to seek justice with the criminals responsible for his death.” Israeli authorities did not say how they determined the killing of Zvi Kogan was a terror attack and offered no additional details.

Kogan, 28, an ultra-Orthodox rabbi who went missing on Thursday, ran a Kosher grocery store in the futuristic city of Dubai, where Israelis have flocked for commerce and tourism since the two countries forged diplomatic ties in the 2020 Abraham Accords.

The Emirati government did not respond to a request for comment. However, senior Emirati diplomat Anwer Gargash wrote on the social platform X in Arabic on Sunday that “the UAE will remain a home of safety, an oasis of stability, a society of tolerance and coexistence and a beacon of development, pride and advancement.”

Early Sunday, the UAE’s state-run WAM news agency acknowledged Kogan’s disappearance but pointedly did not acknowledge he held Israeli citizenship, referring to him only as being Moldovan. The Emirati Interior Ministry described Kogan as being “missing and out of contact.”

“Specialized authorities immediately began search and investigation operations upon receiving the report,” the Interior Ministry said.

Netanyahu told a regular Cabinet meeting later Sunday that he was “deeply shocked” by Kogan’s disappearance and death. He said he appreciated the cooperation of the UAE in the investigation and that ties between the two countries would continue to be strengthened.
https://apnews.com/article/israel-uae-rabbi-missing-98953265dcba8329803ae87d70462117

Exocet25fr
11-24-24, 02:41 PM
Hezbollah fires ‘340 missiles’ at Israel, hits Ashdod naval base, Tel Aviv

Hezbollah targets Israeli military sites after Israel killed 20 in a strike in central Beirut as EU top diplomat calls for ceasefire.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/24/hezbollah-says-it-hit-ashdod-naval-base-and-tel-aviv-three-wounded

Exocet25fr
11-25-24, 07:18 AM
Israel sanctions Haaretz due to articles that ‘hurt’ Israeli state

The Haaretz newspaper called the decision ‘another step in Netanyahu’s journey to dismantle Israeli democracy’.

Netanyahu is trying to silence a critical, independent newspaper.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/24/israel-sanctions-haaretz-due-to-articles-that-hurt-israeli-state

Dying in ‘Hell’: The fate of Palestinian medics jailed by Israel

One of Gaza’s most prominent doctors may have been raped to death, recent revelations show. He’s not the only one.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/24/dying-in-hell-palestinian-medics-jailed-by-israel

Jimbuna
11-25-24, 08:49 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuExaWd1kkA

Exocet25fr
11-26-24, 06:42 AM
Flooding in Gaza compounds hardship of people displaced by Israeli attacks

Gaza’s Government Media Office says about 10,000 tents either washed away or were damaged due to the storm. We were affected by the rain. Our children were soaked. Our clothes got wet and we have nothing to protect ourselves, just the tent. On Monday, Gaza’s Government Media Office said in a statement that about 10,000 tents were either washed away or damaged due to the storm, appealing for international help to provide displaced families with tents to shield them against the rain and cold, many tent sites are near the coast and are not designed to withstand these horrific conditions, especially as colder weather approaches. Palestinian people say Israel appears determined to depopulate the area permanently to create a buffer zone along the northern edge of Gaza. Israel has repeatedly denied this accusation.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/25/flooding-in-gaza-compounds-hardship-of-people-displaced-by-israeli-attacks

Jimbuna
11-26-24, 09:24 AM
Gazans can't even help themselves in some instances....no wonder none of the nearby countries are willing to help them in any meaningful way.

Gangsters block aid distribution in south Gaza

Amid severe food shortages in Gaza, increasingly violent thefts by criminal gangs are now the main obstacle to distributing supplies in the south, aid workers and locals say.

They allege that armed men operate within plain sight of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) in a restricted zone by the border.

The BBC has learnt that Hamas - sensing an opportunity to regain its faltering control - has reactivated a special security force to combat theft and banditry.

After gangsters robbed nearly 100 UN lorries, injuring many of the Palestinian drivers, on 16 November - one of the worst single losses of aid during the war - a number of alleged looters were then killed in an ambush.

A notorious Gazan criminal family then blocked the main Salah al-Din Road leading from Israel’s Kerem Shalom crossing point for two days last week.

Witnesses said iron barriers were erected and lorries trying to access the aid distribution point were fired at.

“Law and order have broken down in the area around the Kerem Shalom crossing, which remains the main entry point of goods, and gangs are filling the power vacuum,” says Sam Rose, deputy director of Unrwa, the UN agency for Palestinian refugees, in Gaza.

“It’s inevitable after 13 months of intense conflict - things fall apart.”

As the rainy winter weather begins, humanitarian officials say solving the worsening situation is critical to meet the huge, deepening needs of most of Gaza’s 2.3 million population - now displaced to the centre and south.

“It is tactical, systematic, criminal looting,” says Georgios Petropoulos, head of the UN’s humanitarian office, Ocha, in Gaza.

He says this is leading to “ultra-violence” in all directions - “from the looters towards the truckers, from the IDF towards the police, and from the police towards the looters”.

There has been increased lawlessness in Gaza since Israel began targeting police officers early this year, citing their role in Hamas governance.

“Hamas’s security control dropped to under 20%,” the former head of Hamas police investigations told the BBC, adding: “We are working on a plan to restore control to 60% within a month.”

Some displaced Gazans in the south welcome the new Hamas efforts against criminal gangs.

“Killing the thieves who stole aid is a step in the right direction,” exclaims one man, Mohammed Abu Jared.

However, others see them as a cynical attempt to take control of lucrative black markets.

“Hamas is killing its competitors in stealing aid,” says Mohammed Diab, an activist in Deir al-Balah. “A big mafia has finished off a small mafia.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93qevdpzvqo

Skybird
11-26-24, 09:59 AM
If I take two pictures of myself, one in a red T-shirt and wearing sunglasses, and one in a green T-shirt and without sunglasses, but a blue cap on my head, do these two pictures then show two different men?

Jimbuna
11-26-24, 12:13 PM
If I take two pictures of myself, one in a red T-shirt and wearing sunglasses, and one in a green T-shirt and without sunglasses, but a blue cap on my head, do these two pictures then show two different men?

Pardon?

Exocet25fr
11-26-24, 12:45 PM
a clown remains a clown.........:O:

Dargo
11-26-24, 01:31 PM
Israel agrees ceasefire with HezbollahIsrael has agreed a ceasefire with Hezbollah in Lebanon after weeks of negotiations with the US and other Western allies. Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel's prime minister, announced the ceasefire just now in a televised speech after a meeting of his cabinet. The US-led proposal involves Hezbollah leaving southern Lebanon and Israel withdrawing its troops from the country. Israeli media reported that the ceasefire will take effect at 10am local time on Wednesday.

Skybird
11-26-24, 01:58 PM
Pardon?
Hamas' role in Gaza, a devil posing as a social worker.

Dargo
11-26-24, 02:37 PM
Israel agrees ceasefire with HezbollahIsrael has agreed a ceasefire with Hezbollah in Lebanon after weeks of negotiations with the US and other Western allies. Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel's prime minister, announced the ceasefire just now in a televised speech after a meeting of his cabinet. The US-led proposal involves Hezbollah leaving southern Lebanon and Israel withdrawing its troops from the country. Israeli media reported that the ceasefire will take effect at 10am local time on Wednesday.Netanyahu lists three reasons for the ceasefire in Lebanon
Focusing on Iran
Letting forces recuperate and allowing the supply of weapons [he seems to refer to US delay in weapon supply]
Isolation of Hamas

Exocet25fr
11-27-24, 08:12 AM
A ‘new page’: World reacts to Israel-Hezbollah ceasefire

Agreement greeted with relief in Lebanon and beyond, with some pushing for ‘urgent steps’ to end Israel’s war in Gaza.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/27/a-new-page-world-reacts-to-israel-hezbollah-ceasefire

Jimbuna
11-27-24, 08:48 AM
Hamas' role in Gaza, a devil posing as a social worker.

Ah, right :salute:

Jimbuna
11-27-24, 08:55 AM
Thousands of Lebanese civilians are returning to their destroyed homes, hours after a ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah came into effect

The US-brokered ceasefire to end 13 months of fighting began at 04:00 local time (02:00 GMT) and so far appears to be holding

"My family spent their lifetime building this. We lived here for 25 years and now it is all gone," a resident of Dahieh, southern Beirut, tells the BBC

Meanwhile traffic jams line the main highway out of the city as families return to their homes in the south, the BBC's Hugo Bachega reports from Lebanon

Israeli troops began a land invasion of Lebanon almost two months ago, in response to almost a year of rocket attacks from Hezbollah

The ceasefire in Lebanon will not directly affect Israel's war in Gaza. Hamas officials have reacted positively to the deal, saying they are "ready" for a ceasefire in Gaza

Skybird
11-28-24, 06:15 AM
https://www.nzz.ch/meinung/waffenstillstand-in-libanon-rueckkehr-zum-schlechten-status-quo-ld.1859177?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp


[NZZ] The ceasefire in Lebanon is making everything as bad as it was before. Instead of striving for real peace and normal relations between Israel and Lebanon, the international community is limiting itself to a return to the old, unresolved problems.

Jimbuna
11-28-24, 09:36 AM
The Lebanon ceasefire is a respite, not a solution for the Middle East

For most of the people of Lebanon, a ceasefire could not come quickly enough. A leading Lebanese analyst at a conference on the Middle East that I’m attending in Rome said she couldn’t sleep as the appointed hour for the ceasefire came closer.

“It was like the night before Christmas when you’re a kid. I couldn’t wait for it to happen.”

You can see why there’s relief. More than 3,500 citizens of Lebanon have been killed in Israeli strikes. Displaced people packed their cars before dawn to try to get back to whatever remains of their homes.

Well over one million of them have been forced to flee by Israeli military action. Thousands have been wounded and the homes of tens of thousands of others have been destroyed.

But in Israel, some feel they have lost the chance to do more damage to Hezbollah.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ygn5579gvo

Dargo
11-28-24, 01:03 PM
Syria's Assad arrived in Moscow for an unplanned visit, with rebel forces at the gates of Aleppo wonder if Ukraine has helped the Free Syrian Army. Now Russian and Iranian military die in Syria, karma sure hurts.

Jimbuna
11-29-24, 11:27 AM
Ceasefire largely holds but Israelis near Lebanon border have their doubts

Israel says its forces fired artillery and carried out airstrikes against targets in southern Lebanon, on the second day of a ceasefire brokered after more than a year of war between Israel and the Lebanese militia group Hezbollah.

The Israeli army said it had fired at suspects after spotting activity at a Hezbollah weapons facility, and vehicles arriving in several areas that breached the terms of the ceasefire deal.

Lebanon accused Israel of violating the agreement “multiple times” and said it was monitoring the situation.

Despite fraying around the edges, so far the ceasefire appears to be largely holding, and the Israeli military road leading to the northern tip of the Lebanese border was sleepier than it has been for months. Through the open gates of bases, soldiers were carrying out routine maintenance, stick figures on the lines of tanks, etched against the late afternoon sky.

One captain, who crossed out of Lebanon this morning, told me he and his team were happy to be out of the fighting and going back to their lives – but that they all hoped they had done enough.

“If not, we all understand that we’ll find ourselves back here soon enough,” he said.

“Personally, I think there’s still work to be done. It’s clear that Hezbollah is still strong enough to threaten Israel.”

Israel’s leaders are signalling their confidence to the public – lifting daily restrictions in some areas, and removing blast walls and makeshift shelters from border roads.

Prime Minister Netanyahu has also vowed an "intensive war" if Hezbollah violates the ceasefire.

There is vocal support from Washington for using this truce as a springboard to a wider regional ceasefire. And Hamas has reportedly signalled its willingness to talk about a deal along similar lines.

But there are many voices here in the north who say the ceasefire with Hezbollah is a mistake, even a “surrender”.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yg1pq1x57o

Dargo
11-29-24, 11:57 AM
Syria's Assad arrived in Moscow for an unplanned visit, with rebel forces at the gates of Aleppo wonder if Ukraine has helped the Free Syrian Army. Now Russian and Iranian military die in Syria, karma sure hurts.Syrian state TV reports that Assad regime has fallen in Aleppo Assad did not return to Syria and is still in Moscow. Syrian rebels are taking over the center of Aleppo. Assad's forces are retreating. Rebels in Syria have now cleared the Russians and Assadists out, with only a 3-hour drive from Putin's puppet Assad in Damascus. Syrian rebels from the Sunni militant group Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), together with a number of affiliated groups, launched an offensive towards the Syrian city of Aleppo in the northwest of the country. Hayat Tahrir al-Sham is considered as one of the strongest armed groups in the region. The group was formerly known as the Nusra Front, the Syrian branch of al-Qaeda, but eventually distanced itself from that terror organization.

Yesterday, rebels advanced further and cut off the M5 highway south of Aleppo towards capital Damascus. The junction between the M5 and the M4, another major link road in the region, is also said to be controlled by the rebels. The jihadist rebels also took control of strategic positions on the front lines in western Aleppo and in Idlib, and allegedly seized a military base and several vehicles and other military equipment. Several government soldiers were reportedly captured. According to the rebels, they reportedly approached the village of Khan al-Assal, 5 kilometres west of Aleppo, yesterday. The Observatory for Human Rights reported Friday afternoon that fighting is even taking place as far as 2 kilometers from Aleppo. In total, more than 50 villages and towns are now said to be in rebel hands.

According to the rebels, they launched their offensive just to counter aggression by the government army and ‘thwart the enemy's plans’. Thousands of families who had fled the violence in recent weeks can return home thanks to the offensive, it sounds. Turkish diplomatic efforts to stop the violence are said to have been to no avail. Moreover, it looks like HTS and the other rebels have taken advantage of the unrest in the Middle East and the weakening of Syria's allies to launch their offensive just now. Israel attacked several Iranian targets in the country in recent months, reducing the regime's resources to come to Assad's aid. The Iranian news agency SNN reported on Thursday that a general from the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps was also killed in Aleppo. The officer, Kioumars Pourhashemi, was allegedly killed by ‘terrorists’ linked to Israel, it sounded. At the same time, the military clout of Lebanese Hezbollah, another Assad ally, has also been seriously affected by the war in Lebanon. Finally, Russia seems to have its hands more than full with the war in Ukraine. Just last month, Geir Pedersen, United Nations special envoy to Syria, warned that the wars in Gaza and Lebanon ‘seemed to be dangerously reigniting conflicts in north-western Syria’. That prediction now seems to have come true.

SDF arriving in Aleppo https://x.com/RojavaNetwork/status/1862581448286384254
Idlib city now https://x.com/nedalalamari/status/1862583504334098561
SDF military convoys heading towards Sheikh Maqsoud neighborhood of Aleppo city Al-Qaeda terrorist groups will end the same as in Serê Kaniyê in 2013: Crushed and destroyed https://x.com/RojavaNetwork/status/1862577942657667254
Opposition forces inside #Aleppo city have captured a whole stock of MANPADS. Sources tell me more tanks, BMPs, anti-tank guided missiles & more have been seized in multiple weapons stores left behind by fleeing #Assad regime forces. https://x.com/Charles_Lister/status/1862507049436803443

Syrian rebels are trolling me that they re-captured Aleppo in 3 days and I can't get Kiev after more than a 1000.

I remain a master strategist. https://bsky.app/profile/darthputinkgb.bsky.social/post/3lc4li7gyh22z
https://i.postimg.cc/902Ppdz7/assad.jpg

Exocet25fr
11-30-24, 07:31 AM
Israel’s army has launched strikes inside Lebanon despite terms of the ceasefire and is restricting people from returning to their homes in parts of the south. Will Hezbollah respond?

Clause 2 of the ceasefire agreement says Israel will not carry out offensive operations inside Lebanese territory and the Lebanese government will prevent Hezbollah or other armed groups from attacking Israel.

However, several incidents of Israel attacking within Lebanon have surfaced.

“Technically it looks like the Israelis have already breached clause 2 by opening fire inside Lebanon,” Nicholas Blanford, senior fellow with the Atlantic Council, told Al Jazeera.

Israel has also been trying to restrict people’s movement in southern Lebanon, releasing a map with a zone marked in red, demanding that people from there not go home, “which is not part of the ceasefire agreement”, Blanford said.

Al Jazeera previously reported that Israel could be attempting to create a buffer zone in south Lebanon through the use of white phosphorus and other tactics.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/30/analysis-can-hezbollah-israel-ceasefire-hold

Jimbuna
11-30-24, 07:47 AM
Russian strikes hit Aleppo as rebels take control

Rebel forces in Syria have taken control of the "majority" of the country's second-largest city, Aleppo, according to the UK-based monitoring group Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR).

Russia launched air strikes in parts of Aleppo overnight into Saturday for the first time since 2016, the observers added.

SOHR said more than 300 people - including more than 20 civilians - have been killed since the offensive started on Wednesday.

The offensive is the largest against the Syrian government in years and the first time rebels fighting the forces of President Bashar al-Assad have reached Aleppo since being forced out by the army in 2016.

Syria's military confirmed on Saturday that rebels had entered "large parts" of the city and dozens of soldiers had been killed or injured in the fighting.

In a statement, it said troops had been withdrawn from Aleppo temporarily "to prepare a counteroffensive".

Aleppo's airport and all roads leading into the city have been closed, military sources told Reuters news agency.

The rebels were able to capture the "majority of the city" without meeting significant resistance, the SOHR said early on Saturday.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly27r5p0yno

Dargo
11-30-24, 09:04 AM
Russian strikes hit Aleppo as rebels take controlLooks like Russians have fled another Syrian base, Russian forces are retreating from their base at As Suqaylabiyah to their main Syrian stronghold at Hmeimim. Assad after losing much terrain, cities and towns still in Moscow hoping Putin gives him what he does not have to give because it is still bogged down in Ukraine. Love the smell of another proxy in the morning seeing Russia flee is always what makes the day. :D :up: If the southern front reopens, and has as much success as the Idlib factions, it's game over for the regime, who have no allies capable of bailing them out anymore. That's still a long way off, but it now exists within the realms of possibility.

mapuc
11-30-24, 10:51 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHwKd-Hx2mo

Markus

Dargo
11-30-24, 11:50 AM
The Women's Defense Units (YPJ part of the Syrian Democratic Forces, the armed forces of Rojava closely affiliated with the male-led YPG) has been sending bused to Aleppo for the people fleeing HTS militia, bringing them free of charge to Tabqa and Raqqa. The Democratic Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria announced that 2,892 people have crossed into the autonomous regions so far, including 2,158 students. This fight is not a united front, it consists of mostly Turkish backed Islamic forces remnants of Al-Qaeda and IS no surprise Erdoğan family always in the back support those extremist. Also reports coming in that the Syrian rebels attacking the Kurdish YPJ and YPG all off course backed by the Erdoğan regime.

In Russia's current situation, when it is experiencing a shortage of military and equipment in the war with Ukraine and is forced to ask for help from North Korea, sending planes, equipment, and soldiers to help Bashar al-Assad was definitely not part of Putin's plans.

Reports have appeared that in Damascus, Syria, there is an attempt of a coup against Assad. It is reported that gunshots are heard by the presidential palace. Syria state TV stopped broadcasting. The videos and information are not verified. https://bsky.app/profile/antongerashchenko.bsky.social/post/3lc6pwdehyk24

Rebel forces inside Hama city center. Safe to say the city has been left by the SAA. https://bsky.app/profile/noelreports.com/post/3lc6ngdyuv22b

An estimated 5,000 Kurdish forces have been sent to Aleppo, #Syria, to prevent further gains by al-Qaeda affiliates. There are reports that the SDF has advanced into new neighborhoods of Aleppo to protect the Christian population from the Islamists. https://x.com/D_abdulkader/status/1862853119450747319

BREAKING — Very violent clashes between the Syrian Republican Guard and the Fourth Division in Damascus are being reported by the opposition media. The clashes are concentrated inside the capital, specifically in the Kafr Sousa area. https://x.com/ragipsoylu/status/1862914673588187267

Dargo
11-30-24, 06:37 PM
Kremlin officials responded to Syrian opposition forces' offensive into Syrian regime-held territory on November 29 and 30 and expressed interest in using the Astana Process to respond to the situation. Kremlin Spokesperson Dmitry Peskov claimed on November 29 that the Syrian opposition forces' offensive is an "encroachment on Syria's sovereignty" and that Russia advocates for Syrian authorities to restore "constitutional order."[1] Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov spoke on the phone with Turkish Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan on November 30 to discuss the situation in Syria.[2] The Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) claimed that both parties expressed serious concerns about the "dangerous developments" in Aleppo and Idlib provinces. Lavrov and Fidan reportedly discussed the need to coordinate joint Russian-Turkish actions to stabilize the situation, primarily through the Astana Process that Russia, Turkey, and Iran launched in December 2016. (The Astana Process is a rival political process to the United Nations [UN]-led Geneva Process under UN Security Council Resolution 2254.) Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi also reportedly initiated a telephone conversation with Lavrov on November 30, during which Lavrov and Araghchi expressed "extreme concern" about the "dangerous escalation" in Syria.[3] Lavrov reportedly reaffirmed Russia's strong support for Syria's sovereignty and territorial integrity, and both agreed to intensify joint efforts to stabilize and review the situation through the Astana Process. It remains unclear whether the Kremlin will be able to deploy additional assets to support Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's regime given the high tempo and operational requirements for Russia to continue conducting operations in Ukraine – the Kremlin’s priority theater. Russia withdrew S-300 systems from Syria back to Russia in 2022, likely to support Russian operations in Ukraine.[4] ISW collected unconfirmed reports in March 2022 that Russia withdrew Russian soldiers and Wagner militants from Syria, likely to support Russian operations in Ukraine.[5] https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-november-30-2024

Exocet25fr
12-01-24, 04:50 AM
Ex-minister Yaalon accuses Israel of 'ethnic cleansing' in Gaza.........

Israel's former defence minister Moshe Yaalon on Saturday accused the Israeli army of "ethnic cleansing" in the Gaza Strip, sparking an outcry in the country.

"The road we are being led down is conquest, annexation and ethnic cleansing," Yaalon said in an interview on the private DemocratTV channel.

Pressed on the "ethnic cleansing" appraisal, he continued: "What is happening there? There is no more Beit Lahia, no more Beit Hanoun, the army intervenes in Jabalia and in reality the land is being cleared of Arabs."

The north of the Gaza Strip, which includes the areas Yaalon mentioned, has been the target of an Israeli offensive since 6 October. Israel has imposed a crippling siege on the area and forcibly expelled residents and displaced Palestinians.

Yaalon, 74, was the head of the Israeli army between 2002 and 2005, just before Israel's withdrawal from Gaza.

https://www.newarab.com/news/ex-minister-yaalon-accuses-israel-ethnic-cleansing-gaza


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAT9NQ4WkE0

Jimbuna
12-01-24, 11:07 AM
Food charity pauses Gaza work after staff killed in Israeli strike

The charity World Central Kitchen (WCK) has said it is pausing its operations in Gaza after a vehicle carrying its staff members was hit by an Israeli air strike.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said the target of the strike had taken part in the 7 October attacks on Israel, and was currently employed by the WCK.

WCK said it was "heartbroken to share" that a vehicle carrying staff had been hit and it was seeking more details, though added it had "no knowledge" that anyone in the car had ties to the 7 October attacks.

Palestinian state-run news agency Wafa reported that five people were killed in the strike in Khan Younis, southern Gaza, on Saturday, with three of them WCK employees.

They included the director of WCK's kitchens in Gaza, the agency added.

Separately, British aid agency Save the Children said one of its staff members was also killed on Saturday afternoon in Khan Younis.

Ahmad Faisal Isleem Al-Qadi, 39, had been returning home to his wife and three-year-old daughter from a mosque when he was killed, the charity added.

"Ahmad, who was deaf, will be remembered for his determination to help others, for his pride in his daughter, and for his ability to brighten others’ days", Save the Children said in a statement.

It is unclear whether he was killed in the same strike as the WCK employees. Save the Children say there were two strikes in Khan Younis on Saturday, but the BBC has not been able to verify this.

Following reports of the WCK strike, pictures circulating on social media showed a white saloon car by the side of a road, partially burned-out and with its roof caved in.

Video filmed inside a mortuary also showed a number of charred possessions - including a laptop, clothing, and and ID badge - bearing the WCK logo.

In a statement, the IDF said it had "struck a vehicle [carrying] a terrorist that took part in the murderous 7 October massacre".

It said the man had taken part in an attack on the kibbutz of Nir Oz, though added that it was "not possible to link the terrorist to a specific abduction attempt".

"The terrorist was monitored for a while by IDF intelligence and was struck following credible information regarding his real time location," it said.

It said the strike was on a “civilian unmarked vehicle” whose movement had “not been coordinated for transporting aid”.

It went on to demand "clarifications and an urgent investigation" from WCK and the international community "regarding the hiring of workers who took part in... terrorist activity against Israel".

The statement from WCK said it was "heartbroken to share that a vehicle carrying World Central Kitchen colleagues was hit by an Israeli airstrike in Gaza".

"At this time, we are working with incomplete information and are urgently seeking more details," it said.

"World Central Kitchen had no knowledge that any individual in the vehicle had alleged ties to the October 7th Hamas attack".

It added that it would be pausing its work in Gaza.

"Our hearts are with our colleagues and their families in this unimaginable moment," it said.

In April, seven WCK workers, including three British security staff, were killed in an Israeli strike on an aid convoy, prompting widespread condemnation and a temporary halt to the charity's operations.

The IDF later admitted "grave mistakes" had been made and sacked two senior officers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g2g6w4109o

Jimbuna
12-01-24, 11:10 AM
Unrwa suspends aid deliveries through main Gaza route after armed gangs attack convoy

Unrwa suspends aid deliveries through main Gaza route after armed gangs attack convoy
Israel denies ignoring the proliferation of gangs and accuses Hamas of diverting aid

Middle East crisis – live updates
Bethan McKernan in Jerusalem
Sun 1 Dec 2024 15.48 GMT
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The UN’s agency for Palestinian refugees has suspended aid deliveries through the main lifeline for the Gaza Strip after a fresh attack by armed gangs on a convoy, amid a severe food crisis caused by more than a year of fighting between Israel and Hamas.

In a statement on Sunday, Philippe Lazzarini, the head of Unrwa, said several trucks carrying food supplies were looted the day before on the road from Kerem Shalom on the border with Israel – the main aid crossing point into the besieged Palestinian territory. The route has not been safe for months, he said on X, referring to the unprecedented hijacking of nearly 100 aid trucks last month.

“This difficult decision comes at a time hunger is rapidly deepening … due to the ongoing siege, hurdles from Israeli authorities, political decisions to restrict the amounts of aid, lack of safety on aid routes and targeting of local police. All of the above led to a breakdown in law and order,” he said.

Lazzarini said protecting aid workers and supplies was Israel’s responsibility as the occupying power in the Palestinian territories, calling on the country to “ensure aid flows into Gaza safely” and to “refrain from attacks on humanitarian workers”.

An Israeli airstrike on Saturday in Khan Younis killed three contractors working for World Central Kitchen, Palestinian media reported, leading the US-based charity to also pause operations. The Israeli military said one of the World Central Kitchen employees was a Hamas militant involved in the 7 October attacks that triggered the war. It did not provide evidence to support the claim. The aid organisation lost another seven workers in an Israeli drone strike in April that Israel said was a mistake.

Humanitarian agencies working in Gaza have struggled to collect and distribute supplies amid Israeli military activity, blocks on movement, and Israeli attacks that have targeted employees, suspending operations on several occasions.

As of October, 333 aid workers had been killed since the conflict began, according to the UN. The world body estimates that about one-third of aid is stolen by armed gangs who resell it at extortionate prices.

Israel denies deliberately restricting aid to Gaza or ignoring the proliferation of gangs and organised crime. It also accuses Hamas of diverting aid.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/dec/01/unrwa-suspends-aid-deliveries-gaza-armed-gangs-attack-convoy

Dargo
12-01-24, 11:15 AM
Statement from the Syrian Autonomous Administration on Recent Developments in SyriaThis week has witnessed a large-scale attack and substantial shifts have happened. Damascus government forces have deteriorated in Aleppo and other regions. It is no doubt that this attack is orchestrated by the Turkish occupation state, with the ultimate goal of occupying the entire Syrian territory. However, the primary target of this attack remains the areas under the Autonomous Administration to prevent the peaceful coexistence of the region’s diverse peoples, including Kurds, Arabs, Syriacs, and other communities. The Autonomous Administration’s regions are facing a large-scale attack, with a particular focus on the areas of Al-Shahba’a and Aleppo. This constitutes a grave threat to the survival of our people.
This critical moment represents a historic turning point for all Syrians, especially those residing in the Democratic Autonomous Administration. The sole objective of this attack is to our safe areas and ultimately occupy Syrian territory. The aggressor seeks to inflict suffering upon all the region’s peoples.
For several days, our brave fighters have been fiercely resisting the ongoing attacks on the Manbij front and west of the Euphrates.
Our Syrian Democratic Forces have consistently fulfilled their duty to liberate and protect the region. We reaffirm our commitment to these historical responsibilities, regardless of the cost. We will stand firm against these attacks and fulfill our historic duty to safeguard the region and its people. There should be no doubt about our resolve. We urge everyone to heed the call for public mobilization and to coordinate closely with the SDF and Internal Security Forces. It is imperative that we stand united in these challenging times.
In these historic days, we call upon our people to join forces in the defense of their villages, cities, and the entire region. We must participate in the people’s revolutionary war and fulfill our duty to protect our homeland. We call upon the youth of the region, including Kurds, Arabs, Syriacs, Assyrians, Armenians, and Circassians, to fulfill their historical role by joining the resistance fronts and enlisting in the ranks of the SDF, YPG, and YPJ.
The current war is a noble struggle for humanity and human dignity. It is a war to protect the values of freedom and civilization against the obscurantist ideologies of ISIS and Erdoğan. This is a war for light and liberation, a war that guarantees a future of coexistence and brotherhood among peoples.
We urge the young men and women of the region to join the SDF and contribute to building a free future. We are confident that with the active participation of our youth, we can repel this attack and thwart the plans of the Turkish occupation and its mercenaries.

SDF General Command
December 1, 2024
https://sdf-press.com/en/2024/12/statement-on-recent-developments-in-syria/

Dargo
12-01-24, 03:14 PM
The situation in Syria as of 01/12/2024. After almost five years of frozen frontline, the Assad regime has collapsed all over in the northwest. Rebel forces captured Aleppo city and advanced as far south as 10–12 kilometers from Hama.

https://i.postimg.cc/X7gQ3ktx/syria.jpg

Catfish
12-01-24, 03:21 PM
^ how can they collapse with Russia backing Assad?
Where are the "Wagner" Nazis?

Dargo
12-01-24, 03:35 PM
^ how can they collapse with Russia backing Assad?
Where are the "Wagner" Nazis?Russia retreated to their main base and is only doing air strikes on Aleppo. Syria is not about to enter paradise by any means. But now other parts of Syria are rising, other power centers, which will dilute (the already greatly moderated) HTS.

Jimbuna
12-02-24, 09:03 AM
It almost makes you feel sorry for Assad.

https://i.postimg.cc/65MTyTC7/liaranimatedanimationli-1.gif (https://postimages.org/)

mapuc
12-02-24, 11:51 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlGoADjZV-k

Markus

Dargo
12-02-24, 01:42 PM
It almost makes you feel sorry for Assad.

https://i.postimg.cc/65MTyTC7/liaranimatedanimationli-1.gif (https://postimages.org/)US forces using an A-10 Thunderbolt II destroyed a massive Iraqi Militia convoy on the way to come to regime forces aid. And still no word from Assad if he is back from Moscow he and all the elite fled so do not share a tear he is fine hiding in Putin's bunker with his family.

mapuc
12-02-24, 05:35 PM
The coming US president, Donald Trump, is warning militants in Gaza of the consequences if hostages are not released.

This is happening in a post on social media on Monday.

The threat comes after a long-term diplomatic effort by outgoing President Joe Biden.

The effort has not yet secured an agreement that would lead to both the release of hostages and an end to the more than year-long war.

- If the hostages are not released by January 20, 2025 - the date on which I proudly assume office as President of the United States - then all hell will break loose in the Middle East, including for those who were at the forefront of these atrocities against humanity, Trump writes on the social media Truth Social.

https://ekstrabladet-dk.translate.goog/nyheder/krigogkatastrofer/uhyggelig-trussel-saa-bryder-helvede-loes/10456485?_x_tr_sl=da&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=da&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Markus

Jimbuna
12-03-24, 07:44 AM
Not sure what more Trump could do than the Israelis already have.

Exocet25fr
12-03-24, 08:28 AM
OK!!, And about......more 10,100 Palestinians in Israeli prisons? :D

Since Oct. 7, 2023, an "administrative detention" order has been issued for 9,392 Palestinians, including women and children, ensuring that they are held in prison without any charges or trial; of these, 3,398 remain incarcerated.

The statement emphasized that the Israeli army committed serious violations and crimes such as severe beatings, threats against detainees and their families, destruction and demolition of Palestinian homes, and seizure of vehicles, money and valuables during the raids it conducted to detain Palestinians.

Significant damage has been done to the infrastructure in the areas where raids were conducted, with family members of detainees taken hostage and detained Palestinians being used as human shields.

Since Oct. 7, 2023, 41 identified individuals have died in Israeli prisons, and the bodies of 39 of them have not been returned.

The total number of Palestinians whose bodies have been withheld in Israeli prisons is recorded at 50.

As of October 2024, the number of Palestinians held in Israeli prisons is reported to have exceeded 10,100, including 3,398 who are under administrative detention.

IS IT NORMAL.....:06:

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/number-of-palestinians-in-israeli-prisons-doubled-in-1-year-exceeding-10-100-prisoners-group/3371710

Jimbuna
12-03-24, 09:30 AM
Israel strikes back at Lebanon after Hezbollah ceasefire violation

Israeli forces launched strikes on Hezbollah targets in Lebanon following a rocket attack on Israeli territory by militants, despite a previously agreed ceasefire, reports the Israel Defense Forces (IDF).

In a statement, the IDF said their strikes targeted dozens of launchers and infrastructure belonging to Hezbollah across Lebanon.

"Additionally, the IAF struck the Hezbollah launcher in the area of Berghoz in southern Lebanon shortly after the launch of the two projectiles toward Mount Dov," the IDF said.

Israel described the Hezbollah attack on December 2 as a “violation of the ceasefire agreement between Israel and Lebanon.”

"The State of Israel demands that the relevant parties in Lebanon fulfill their responsibilities and prevent Hezbollah's hostile activity from within Lebanese territory. The State of Israel remains obligated to fulfill the conditions of the ceasefire agreement in Lebanon, " the IDF added.

The ceasefire agreement between Israel and Hezbollah

Last week, Israel and Hezbollah, the militant group operating in Lebanon, reached an agreement to initiate a ceasefire.

Under the terms of the agreement, Israel is to withdraw its forces from Lebanon, while Hezbollah militants are to leave southern Lebanon.

In this context, on November 29, the IDF published a report detailing its operations against Hezbollah in Lebanon over the past 14 months in light of the ceasefire reached with the militants.

Additionally, Israel's ground operation in Lebanon began on the night of October 1. According to the IDF, the operation aimed to destroy Hezbollah’s infrastructure, which had been continuously shelling Israeli territory, particularly in the country’s northern regions.

Following the ceasefire agreement, on December 2, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu accused Hezbollah of a serious breach of the truce. The accusation pertains to a rocket attack by militants on Israeli military positions near Mount Dov.

Netanyahu also vowed to retaliate against this ceasefire violation.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/israel-strikes-back-at-lebanon-after-hezbollah-ceasefire-violation/ar-AA1v9ELE?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=9876e13f21024f4788459c90bc66b4ee&ei=28

Exocet25fr
12-03-24, 12:07 PM
US follows France in warning Israel over 52 ceasefire violations !

Washington has backed up Paris’s assertions that Israel is violating the terms of last week’s ceasefire agreement with Lebanon, that formally ended 14 months of hostilities with the Hezbollah terrorist group.

Paris, a member of the Washington-led monitoring mechanism overseeing the Israel-Lebanon ceasefire agreement, had accused Jerusalem of committing 52 ceasefire violations, according to Hebrew media reports on Sunday that cited French diplomatic sources.

Sources told the Hebrew news outlet that the Americans believe that there have been violations on the Israeli side, primarily its use of surveillance drones over the skies of Beirut.

The reports also claim that three Lebanese civilians were killed and highlight an increase in Israeli drone activity, claiming that low-altitude flights over Beirut had resumed.


https://www.jns.org/us-follows-france-in-warning-israel-over-ceasefire-violations/

Jimbuna
12-03-24, 01:46 PM
IAF eliminates Hezbollah's Syrian envoy in targeted Damascus strike

An Israel Air Force aircraft attacked and eliminated Hezbollah's envoy to the Syrian army, Salman Nimr Jamaa, the IDF announced Tuesday afternoon.

The Syrian regime, which has established support for Hezbollah throughout the years and allows the use of their country for the transfer of weapons, heavily utilized Jamaa and hereby endangered the lives of Lebanese and Syrian civilians alike.

Jamaa is a veteran Hezbollah operative who has held several positions with the Hezbollah terrorist organization throughout the years, particularly with a focus on Syria.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/iaf-eliminates-hezbollah-s-syrian-envoy-in-targeted-damascus-strike/ar-AA1vcnqY?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=ae5b464e75844a09bfa06a7aaa2e40f3&ei=19

Dargo
12-03-24, 02:06 PM
In northern Syria, thousands of Kurds have fled the flaring violence in the region. The reason is that in recent days, the Kurdish enclave of Tel Rifaat was surrounded and captured by the Turkish-backed Syrian National Army (SNA). How many Kurds have had to leave their homes cannot be verified. Independent information on developments is hard to come by, and hardly any journalists are active in the area. According to an anonymous source from the Kurdish autonomous region in Iraq, hundreds of thousands of Kurds have fled. The Syrian National Army is supported by Turkey because it is a counterweight to both Assad's regime and Kurdish forces in Syria. In the northeast, Kurdish militias considered terrorists by Turkey call the shots. They are united in the Syrian Democratic Forces, which also includes other groups.

The SDF says they will try to accommodate displaced Kurds from Tel Rifaat and Aleppo and its surroundings in areas under their control. Tel Rifaat was also under the control of the SDF until a day ago. While the SNA is taking villages and advancing in northern Syria, near the border with Turkey, the Syrian group Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) has managed - with SNA's help - to rapidly capture villages and territories in northwestern Syria. Aleppo fell completely into the hands of HTS last weekend. Assad's army withdrew, saying it did so for tactical reasons to prepare for a stronger counter-offensive. Meanwhile, HTS is capturing more and more territory in Syria. Rebel forces are closing in on the province capital, seizing a Syrian army stronghold east of Hama used by Assad's Tiger Forces (25th Special Mission Forces Division). Rebels have entered western Hama near Ayn Al'bad.

HTS rebels are now focusing their offensive to the south, approaching the town of Hama, some 50 kilometers north of the city of Homs. A member of HTS says it will not stop there. ‘After that, God willing, we will go to Homs and then to Damascus and, God willing, we will liberate all of Syria,’ an HTS member told news agency AP. According to the Syrian state news agency, fighting is intense in the central province of Hama and additional reinforcements are heading that way. State media report several intense airstrikes by Syrian and Russian air forces in the area. According to the London-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which relies on local sources and eyewitnesses in Syria, more than 500 people have been killed since fighting resumed. Besides hundreds of fighters and soldiers, 92 civilians have also died.

Thousands have fled, and humanitarian aid is also under pressure from the violence. There are already reports of food shortages from the Idlib region after several food projects were halted. Medical facilities are also understaffed in the region. https://nos.nl/artikel/2546945-syrisch-geweld-laait-ook-op-bij-grens-met-turkije-duizenden-koerden-op-de-vlucht

Turkish-backed SNA coalition of forces are sending reinforcements to the border with SDF-held area near Manbij in northern Syria. These are probably not send to defend the border between the two factions, but rather to attack the SDF. Hostilities are expected... Syrian rebel forces report the capture of the village of Kafraa and its nearby mountain. The rebellion is set to enter the Hama city of soon if Hama falls, Russia lost its only main route to Damascus. This morning SDF units launched attack against the regime in DeirEzZor, hoping to expell the regime from seven villages located on the east bank of the Euphrates. US warplanes bomb the Assad regime in the area. Rebel forces are closing in on the province capital, seizing an Syrian Army stronghold east of Hama used by Assad's Tiger Forces (25th Special Mission Forces Division). Rebels have entered western Hama near Ayn Al'bad.

Jimbuna
12-04-24, 07:27 AM
Russian Ships Leave Tartus Naval Base as Opposition Forces Advance


The Russian Navy has withdrawn several ships from the Tartus naval base in Syria after opposition forces made gains in Aleppo province and nearby areas. Satellite images shared by Radio Svoboda confirm the movement of these ships, sparking concerns about the future of the base.

Details of the Departure
Analyst MT Anderson reported that the ships leaving Tartus include:

Two Project 22350 frigates (Admiral Gorshkov and Admiral Golovko),

One Project 11356R frigate (Admiral Grigorovich),

A Project 636 submarine (Novorossiysk),

And two supply ships, Vyazma and Elnia.

It is believed the ships left on December 2.

The Russian Ministry of Defense claims the move was for training exercises, but analysts see it as a response to the growing threat in the region.

As of December 3, opposition forces are reported to be around 75 kilometers from Tartus, according to open-source intelligence (OSINT) analysts.

The destination of the ships remains unclear.

They may return to Tartus if the situation stabilizes, but if the base becomes unsafe, the fleet could relocate to more secure waters, such as the Baltic Sea.

Importance of Tartus Base
Tartus is Russia’s key naval base on Syria’s Mediterranean coast and has been strategically important for decades. Established in 1971 by the Soviet Union, the base became a Russian asset after the USSR’s collapse. It served as a simple refueling stop until 2012, when Russia upgraded it to handle larger ships.

The base has been critical for Russia’s military presence in the Mediterranean, especially during the Syrian civil war and in recent years as a hub for supporting its military operations in the region.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/russian-ships-leave-tartus-naval-base-as-opposition-forces-advance/ar-AA1veZ1f?ocid=mailsignout&pc=U591&cvid=0ee57bc11fc84f16a2b7c9ba62129101&ei=28