Hamas launches war on Israel

[mapuc]

Thanks mainstream media outlets! :Kaleun_Applaud:

I'm only going to post such things as pro-Israeli stuff and none biased stuff.

You will not see me post pro-Hamas or pro-Islamic biased stuff.

Markus

[Skybird]

As desperate Palestinians in sealed-off Gaza try to find refuge under Israel’s relentless bombardment in retaliation for Hamas' brutal Oct. 7 attack, some ask why neighboring Egypt and Jordan don’t take them in.

The two countries, which flank Israel on opposite sides and share borders with Gaza and the occupied West Bank, respectively, have replied with a staunch refusal. Jordan already has a large Palestinian population.

Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sissi made his toughest remarks yet on Wednesday, saying the current war was not just aimed at fighting Hamas, which rules the Gaza Strip, “but also an attempt to push the civilian inhabitants to ... migrate to Egypt.” He warned this could wreck peace in the region.

Jordan’s King Abdullah II gave a similar message a day earlier, saying, “No refugees in Jordan, no refugees in Egypt.”

Their refusal is rooted in fear that Israel wants to force a permanent expulsion of Palestinians into their countries and nullify Palestinian demands for statehood. El-Sissi also said a mass exodus would risk bringing militants into Egypt’s Sinai Peninsula, from where they might launch attacks on Israel, endangering the two countries’ 40-year-old peace treaty.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/why-egypt-and-other-arab-countries-are-unwilling-to-take-in-palestinian-refugees-from-gaza/ar-AA1iveX0?ocid=msedgntp&pc=EDGEDSE&cvid=d3894369c1444b2b9caa2c59df038440&ei=15
Jordan has had its experiences with Palestinian migrants in the past. They were so thankful that they tried to overthrow Jordan.

But the truth is, I found that in many countries of the region, that NOBODY, NO ARAB, likes the Palestinian Arabs. They are being used for global politics and to give the West a bad conscience, but they are very much dispised as well. Again, that has a lot, though not all, to do with the way Palestinian Arabs behaved in other Arab countries.

[em2nought]

I'm only going to post such things as pro-Israeli stuff and none biased stuff.

You will not see me post pro-Hamas or pro-Islamic biased stuff.

Markus

Not complaining about you friend. I just want the media to do their job properly and seek real truth whichever side that favors. I'm glad you're posting what you post as it helps to be aware of what's being claimed and by who.

[Jeff-Groves]

That one blood trail looks like something straight out of a horror movie. :o

And that speaks to how sick the attackers are. They need to be hunted down and shot on sight! Any that harbor them? Same thing.

[em2nought]

And that speaks to how sick the attackers are. They need to be hunted down and shot on sight! Any that harbor them? Same thing.

We should send this fella, and lots of coal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a53e4HHnx_s

[mapuc]

And that speaks to how sick the attackers are. They need to be hunted down and shot on sight! Any that harbor them? Same thing.

No to mention those here in the west who support them and I'm not talking about the Muslim living here in Europe.

Especially our left wing support them.

Markus

[Onkel Neal]

But the truth is, I found that in many countries of the region, that NOBODY, NO ARAB, likes the Palestinian Arabs. They are being used for global politics and to give the West a bad conscience, but they are very much dispised as well. Again, that has a lot, though not all, to do with the way Palestinian Arabs behaved in other Arab countries.

Yeah, it's been that way for decades too. If the Arabs were decent people, they would take in the Muslim Palestinians and just let Israel alone. For the love of god, they have continents of land. Can't the Jew have a tiny sliver?

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4Ro_idS2t4c/US4HmgmCv1I/AAAAAAAAABg/Azeubs3abQA/s1600/israel_surrounded2.jpg

[ET2SN]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htGfZdp82w0


:hmmm:

[Dargo]

Palestine today appears like an afterthought in the Arab political order, with many states making peace and normalising relations with Israel Arab regimes have increasingly abandoned making any significant political effort to help the Palestinians. Instead, official support has been limited to deceptive rhetoric and symbolic gestures to avoid confrontation with Israel, and it's backer, the United States. The most that Arab governments have done in response to Israeli aggression is issue futile condemnations and protests.

[em2nought]

Yeah, it's been that way for decades too. If the Arabs were decent people, they would take in the Muslim Palestinians and just let Israel alone. For the love of god, they have continents of land. Can't the Jew have a tiny sliver?

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4Ro_idS2t4c/US4HmgmCv1I/AAAAAAAAABg/Azeubs3abQA/s1600/israel_surrounded2.jpg

Who other than woke Western Civilizations would willingly take in a bunch of trouble makers? :har:

[Otto Harkaman]

The balloon is going up...
https://youtu.be/SsTYQYQmzVA?si=3QloJUnyH_h60hU6
https://youtu.be/oyDJf484yvY?si=dhTxv6GArKZ7wb7w

[Rockstar]

Yeah, it's been that way for decades too. If the Arabs were decent people, they would take in the Muslim Palestinians and just let Israel alone. For the love of god, they have continents of land. Can't the Jew have a tiny sliver?

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4Ro_idS2t4c/US4HmgmCv1I/AAAAAAAAABg/Azeubs3abQA/s1600/israel_surrounded2.jpg

According one explanation I heard a Saudi National make, he said The Koran states the land of Israel belongs to to the Jews. The Saudi went on to say that he and his kin are the offspring Ismael and have their land . And that Israel are the sons of Issac and have their land.

The eye opener was when he said the Palestinians are neither sons of Issac or Ishmael and that Netanyahu was a coward for not getting rid of them. He likened Palistinians to Gypsies and doesn’t want them in Muslim lands either. Seems Palestinians either need to assimilate into either the land of Issac or Ishmael or go somewhere else, on account that no where is it written in the Koran or Torah that they’ll inherit a land of their own

[em2nought]

The balloon is going up...
https://youtu.be/SsTYQYQmzVA?si=3QloJUnyH_h60hU6
https://youtu.be/oyDJf484yvY?si=dhTxv6GArKZ7wb7w

Hope all those bad dudes who walked across our wide open southern border don't have any dirty bombs. :hmmm:

[ET2SN]

I forgot to mention.. :O:

Last Tuesday I saw an RC-135 flying low over town, on its way to Des Moines.
RC-135's are colloquially known as Rivet Joint aircraft although that code word died out in the 1990's. You can tell the difference between one and a KC-135 mostly by the large black nose and the different paint scheme.
We sold some of them to the UK several years ago.

They are home-based at Offutt AFB.
They (and the E-4's) don't take off without a really good reason. :yep:

Granted, this could have been a part of that cell phone EAM test but like I said, those aircraft don't take off without a really good reason. :yeah:

Y'all might consider waking the :k_confused: up. :yep:


:salute:

[em2nought]

Y'all might consider waking the :k_confused: up. :yep:

:salute:

:hmmm: I bet sleepy joe wears the same pajamas.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/QEE141IC4Q8/hqdefault.jpg

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_fc9R1LxpI

[ET2SN]

Meanwhile..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OagYlYna75Y

There are some points to ponder-

-Where's the PRC? I thought China was a close peer to the US? Why aren't they in the thick of the negotiations? :doh:

Otherwise, Peter does have some points. Unless he's dead-###ed wrong. :doh:
If that's the case, I'm sure he'll post a mea culpa on YouTube :har: or you can hire him to speak to your group. :up:

[Moonlight]

Nigel Farage exposes what happened when Denmark took in Palestinian refugees: 'Why on earth should we risk our national security?!'

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/nigel-farage-exposes-what-happened-when-denmark-took-in-palestinian-refugees-why-on-earth-should-we-risk-our-national-security/ar-AA1iykCY?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=e3db85c4845d48cb83704df225f6a24e&ei=9

It's time our European governments faced up to these facts and gave any migrant with a criminal record the boot, will it happen in the UK? hehehe, not with two migrant leaders who are just waving these migrant currants through customs on a daily basis it wont.

Perhaps Markus can say if that link is true or not?, because I don't know what to believe anymore, the lies being spouted by these media outlets can't be trusted to tell the truth as they all seem to have a different agenda to us.

[Jimbuna]

& That article leaves a lot of food for thought.

[mapuc]

Nigel Farage exposes what happened when Denmark took in Palestinian refugees: 'Why on earth should we risk our national security?!'

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/nigel-farage-exposes-what-happened-when-denmark-took-in-palestinian-refugees-why-on-earth-should-we-risk-our-national-security/ar-AA1iykCY?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=e3db85c4845d48cb83704df225f6a24e&ei=9

It's time our European governments faced up to these facts and gave any migrant with a criminal record the boot, will it happen in the UK? hehehe, not with two migrant leaders who are just waving these migrant currants through customs on a daily basis it wont.

Perhaps Markus can say if that link is true or not?, because I don't know what to believe anymore, the lies being spouted by these media outlets can't be trusted to tell the truth as they all seem to have a different agenda to us.

Following is copied and translated from the Danish wiki


The Palestinian law

Palestinians had traveled from Lebanon to Denmark during 1990 and 1991, where they sought asylum on a claim that they were persecuted in Lebanon. But a tightening of case practice in the Directorate for Aliens and in the Refugee Board under the KVR government in the autumn of 1989 meant that a previous practice of automatically granting asylum to Palestinians from Lebanon had been changed, so that the cases were now assessed individually. This contributed to the assessment that 321 Palestinians were not persecuted in Lebanon and thus had their application for asylum rejected.

After the refusal, a group of 96 Palestinians chose to occupy Enghave Church and shortly after, between 7 and 8 September 1991, Blågårds Church, where parish priest Lisbeth Søe invited them inside. The occupation of Blågårds Church lasted for over five months.

The Palestinians aroused sympathy among a number of Danish organizations and individuals. 600 Danish priests signed a letter of support calling for residence permits, Danish BZers occupied the Directorate for Immigration and the Ministry of Justice in protest against the refusal of asylum. The support group was later called a "coalition of BZs, priests and humanists"

On 3 March 1992, a majority in the Folketing consisting of the Social Democracy, the Radical Left and the Socialist People's Party chose to bypass the KV government to grant collective residence permits to all Palestinians who had stayed in Denmark for more than 12 months. The law was colloquially referred to as the Palestine Law. Immediately after the adoption, many of the Palestinians chose to go back to Lebanon to celebrate the residence permit in Denmark - despite the fact that they had claimed that they had been persecuted in Lebanon.

It further emerged that 312 of the 321 allegedly persecuted Palestinians had traveled back and forth between Denmark and both Lebanon and Syria during 1990 and 1991, while they had sought asylum in Denmark, among other things to get married.

This is how it has gone for the 321 Palestinians

A study from 2003 showed that 42 percent of the 321 people who were granted asylum have since been convicted of crime, and that 74 percent of them were in some form on transfer income, including early retirement.
An estimate from 2005 showed that 56 percent of the children of the Palestinian church occupiers have been punished for crime


I thought it was better this way to copy and paste what the Danish wiki have written about the Palestinian.

So yes Nigel is correct.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Not like Nigel to be wrong :)

[Moonlight]

So yes Nigel is correct.
Markus
Thankyou for confirming that Markus.

If only our current politicians had taken a leaf out of Nigel's book eh, you never know, they might never have got us into the mess we're in now in the first place.

[Otto Harkaman]

https://youtu.be/mig77dZ-cdw?si=SfsCwX3Ol4wSQnFf
https://youtu.be/yUQK5i6J09s?si=6vZkVA8Z3k7bgSJe

[ET2SN]

The missile(S) launched from Yemen may not have been targeted on Israel. :yep:

Yemen has been chucking short range ballistics and drones at Saudi Arabia for a while now. I'd wait a bit before I assumed they were aimed at Israel or north eastern Egypt. I don't think Yemen has that kind of range.

Of course, Israel and Egypt were supposed to normalize relations so maybe they were pay-back or a warning to Egypt? :hmmm:

[mapuc]

A war between USA and Iran keeps on getting closer.

Sooner or later Irans military aid to different terror group will one day backfire.

I'm convinced it will happen.

Markus

[Otto Harkaman]

Doesn't really matter where the missiles were headed. What matters is the US announcing them shot down by a US warship to protect Israel.

[Dargo]

The missile(S) launched from Yemen may not have been targeted on Israel. :yep:

Yemen has been chucking short range ballistics and drones at Saudi Arabia for a while now. I'd wait a bit before I assumed they were aimed at Israel or north eastern Egypt. I don't think Yemen has that kind of range.

Of course, Israel and Egypt were supposed to normalize relations so maybe they were pay-back or a warning to Egypt? :hmmm:Yemen missiles has that kind of range. The liquid-propellant missile that the Houthis has is the Toufan, which appears to be a rebranded Iranian Ghadr. The Toufan could have a 1,350–1,950 km range, potentially enough to place Israel within striking distance. In the past, the Houthis have made threats against Eilat and Tel Aviv. Iran continues to upgrade its long-range precision weaponry and, at least until recently, helped its local Yemeni ally Ansarullah to do the same with its own arsenal. With Iranian assistance, the Houthis have managed to build up an array of precision-guided rockets, ballistic missiles, land-attack cruise missiles and anti-shipping capabilities in a remarkably short period of time.

[Moonlight]

A war between USA and Iran keeps on getting closer.

Sooner or later Irans military aid to different terror group will one day backfire.

I'm convinced it will happen.

Markus

I think Iran will avoid sparking a major confrontation with a technologically superior foe Markus, those oil fields they've got will make a tempting target for any retaliatory strikes, Iran will know this as well so they wont want that to happen or it will send their economy into meltdown.
No, they'll hide in the shadows as usual just like they always do, but, one day they might make a huge mistake which they can't back out of and, who knows what will happen then?.

[mapuc]

I think Iran will avoid sparking a major confrontation with a technologically superior foe Markus, those oil fields they've got will make a tempting target for any retaliatory strikes, Iran will know this as well so they wont want that to happen or it will send their economy into meltdown.
No, they'll hide in the shadows as usual just like they always do, but, one day they might make a huge mistake which they can't back out of and, who knows what will happen then?.

I guess you're right- Maybe Iran seeks a military cooperation with Iraq and Syria. Iran and Syria is already working together, don't know about Iraq.

Well I think Iran is seeking support among the Islamic countries. First they will seek help from Iraq among the few.

However this could very well lead to a regional war down there.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Hamas has released two US hostages who were abducted during the Palestinian group's deadly raid on Israel this month.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67177249

[Skybird]

https://www-n--tv-de.translate.goog/politik/Das-Haus-klappt-in-sich-zusammen-article24470864.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp



Israel now has a certain period of time in which international sympathy is clearly on its side, on the side of the attacked. They must use this period of time and try to hit Hamas seriously now. But the longer this takes and the conflict becomes more brutal in its implementation, the more difficult it will be for the Israelis to withstand international pressure.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebwtNe3hGm0

[Dargo]

The official website of terrorist organization Hamas is reportedly hosted by a Russian IT firm VDSina which has its office in Moscow. The Hamas domain is supported by the Russian company Selectel.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg54X7XzQm8

[Jimbuna]

Israel's military has vowed to intensify air strikes on Gaza and has warned Palestinians still in the north of the territory to flee south.

A military spokesman said this would allow Israel to "minimise the risks to our forces in the next stages of the war" - which is expected to be a ground invasion.

Meanwhile, Hamas says 55 people were killed in air raids on Gaza overnight - Israel says it killed "dozens of terrorists"

Graphic images show the bodies of about a dozen dead children, and many other Palestinians, at a hospital morgue in central Gaza. It is not clear when or where they died.

Separately, the Israeli military says it struck a Hamas cell sheltering in a mosque in the occupied West Bank.

The UN hopes it can get more aid into Gaza today - after vital supplies yesterday reached people for the first time since fighting erupted.

It's two weeks since Hamas launched its assault on Israel, killing more than 1,400 people. Palestinian officials say more than 4,300 have been killed in Gaza since then.

[Skybird]

"We exterminate you!" .................................................. .........................."Do not escalate!"

https://www.achgut.com/images/archiv/_728w/1-20231018002_Neuer_Wahnsinn.jpg

[em2nought]

"We exterminate you!" .................................................. .........................."Do not escalate!"

https://www.achgut.com/images/archiv/_728w/1-20231018002_Neuer_Wahnsinn.jpg

If Hamas lays down their weapons there would be peace. If Israel lays down their weapons Israel gets exterminated to the last man, woman, and child. :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stxZycC0BzE

[Moonlight]

This self proclaimed Maj Gen has been killed 3 or 4 times before me thinks, what is he a bleeding cat? he must have used up at least three of his 9 lives by now, Israel will have to do much better than this me thinks. I'm thinking there's a lot of misinformation going on in that small part of the world.

[Skybird]

I'm thinking there's a lot of misinformation going on in that small part of the world.
No, its a global pandemic. Even in the countries you and me live in. Nothing and nobody can be trusted anymore.

[ET2SN]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stxZycC0BzE

How do they know they wiped out a major general if he was in a hidden tunnel? :timeout:

[em2nought]

No, its a global pandemic. Even in the countries you and me live in. Nothing and nobody can be trusted anymore.

Unfortunately very true. :( Added to my stack of pre 1933 two weeks in a row due to the way I'm feeling about how things are probably "really" going.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-SmsdxpW_4

[Jimbuna]

Israel's military says it has mounted more limited raids into Gaza to attack Hamas and find information about hostages being held.

Israeli bombing of Gaza continues, with Hamas officials saying dozens of people were killed overnight.

The UN agency for Palestinian refugees says the situation in southern Gaza is so bad that some civilians are returning north after being told to flee south by Israel.

More than 1,400 Israelis were killed when Hamas attacked communities near Gaza, shooting civilians dead in their homes, in the streets and at a music festival.

Gaza's Hamas-run health ministry says more than 4,600 people have been killed since Israel began bombing the territory in response, flattening entire neighbourhoods.

On Sunday, Hamas said it had destroyed an Israeli tank in southern Gaza; the IDF said one solder was killed and two injured by an anti-tank missile.

[Moonlight]

So, Hamas has anti-tank missiles?, aaah, I wondered where most of the Foreign Aid money was going to, those Palestinian civilians knew what they were voting for when they elected Hamas, I have no sympathy for them as it's their own bleeding fault.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omTTRqZhw8Q

[Exocet25fr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zlg-YoP3sPg

[Dargo]

So, Hamas has anti-tank missiles?, aaah, I wondered where most of the Foreign Aid money was going to, those Palestinian civilians knew what they were voting for when they elected Hamas, I have no sympathy for them as it's their own bleeding fault.All aid goes directly to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) the aid is not given to 'Gaza' nor Hamas UNRWA has stringent policies and procedures in place regarding neutrality and to prevent UNRWA funds and programs from benefiting terrorists. Additional oversight, including monitoring visits by State Department staff to UNRWA facilities, is reported annually to Congress.

[mapuc]

All aid goes directly to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) the aid is not given to 'Gaza' nor Hamas UNRWA has stringent policies and procedures in place regarding neutrality and to prevent UNRWA funds and programs from benefiting terrorists. Additional oversight, including monitoring visits by State Department staff to UNRWA facilities, is reported annually to Congress.

Guess they get the weapons from Iran either by paying on delivery or they have some kind of lend & lease deal.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Guess they get the weapons from Iran either by paying on delivery or they have some kind of lend & lease deal.

Markus

Iran provides funding and weapons and payment is the chaos and carnage they cause.

[Dargo]

Guess they get the weapons from Iran either by paying on delivery or they have some kind of lend & lease deal.

MarkusThey are funded by Iran and other Arab countries they get training, advice and weapons from these countries.

[Skybird]

EU "solidarity"...?


https://www.nzz.ch/international/wegen-bedingungsloser-unterstuetzung-israels-hunderte-eu-mitarbeiter-protestieren-gegen-von-der-leyens-gaza-politik-ld.1762027?_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_sl=auto

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aluxZXDVFvM

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_g0FDpKOMg

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8Ppf4pTzJ0

[Commander Wallace]

^ The sad part of this video is the callous way this terrorist explains casually killing a family including their dog. No remorse at all. It's like this terrorist is explaining how he took out the garbage. :nope:

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XTV3AGywHQ&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

[Skybird]

^ Think he is right. Going in with 300,000 men is exactly what Hamas wants Israel to do.

But with that massacre they had suffered on Octobre 7th I am not going to be the one telling them how they should and should not react to it. Even less so since I have no better answer. Gaza is a cancer in Israel's flank.

[Armistead]

All aid goes directly to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) the aid is not given to 'Gaza' nor Hamas UNRWA has stringent policies and procedures in place regarding neutrality and to prevent UNRWA funds and programs from benefiting terrorists. Additional oversight, including monitoring visits by State Department staff to UNRWA facilities, is reported annually to Congress.

The US alone under Biden has given the UNRWA about a billion of our tax dollars for aid to the Palestinians and reports "UNRWA has faced intense scrutiny in recent years from critics who say the group has not done enough to prevent aid from reaching the hands of Hamas terrorists. UNRWA locations have reportedly housed Hamas activities and spread Hamas propaganda in schools." , but if you add all world aid it no doubts benefits Hamas who supposed to be running Gaza when all they do is plan war and terror on Israel and American interest. Maybe if the world didn't provide them so much aid the people would turn on Hamas and that would be the best answer. As usual, the US seems to fund all sides in war.

[Otto Harkaman]

https://youtu.be/Z_K_utirlLE?si=IjnZhheY2mql-jPi

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGVQQJd8tPM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqAe-QdUvUw

[Exocet25fr]

Obama issues warning to Israel

The harsh treatment of Palestinian civilians in Gaza could “backfire,” the former US president said, Former US President Barack Obama has warned Israel that a response strategy to the attacks by Hamas that “ignores the human cost” would be counterproductive.

At least 2,000 children killed in Gaza

At least 2,000 children have died in Israel’s bombardment of Gaza over the past 17 days, UK-based aid group Save the Children has said. Thousands of homes, and dozens of playgrounds, schools, hospitals, churches and mosques have been damaged or destroyed in Gaza,” Save the Children said. “At least 4,600 children [have been] injured as reported by the [Gaza] Ministry of Health – some with excruciating burns, lost limbs and other horrific blast injuries.”

It claimed that Israeli airstrikes are “killing and injuring children indiscriminately.”

https://www.rt.com/news/585728-obama-israel-gaza-backfire/

[Jimbuna]

Hospitals are stopping all but emergency services as fuel runs out, our correspondent in Gaza says.

The UN - the biggest aid provider in Gaza - says its work will stop tonight if it doesn't get fresh supplies.

Israel is stopping new fuel supplies reaching Gaza, but accuses Hamas of stockpiling hundreds of thousands of litres.

Another eight aid lorries carrying food, water, and medicine crossed from Egypt into Gaza last night - but agencies say at least 100 lorries a day are needed.

The Hamas-run government in Gaza says 80 people were killed by overnight Israeli air strikes.

Israel says it targeted Hamas infrastructure - including roadblocks allegedly set up to stop civilians evacuating the northern Gaza Strip.

On Tuesday, the health ministry in Gaza said almost 5,800 people had been killed since 7 October.

More than 1,400 were killed in the initial attacks on Israel by Hamas, and more than 200 people are still being held hostage.

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNRSZ8gt0p0&ab_channel=TV7IsraelNews

Markus

[Abu Ibrahim]

Hospitals are stopping all but emergency services as fuel runs out, our correspondent in Gaza says.

The UN - the biggest aid provider in Gaza - says its work will stop tonight if it doesn't get fresh supplies.

Israel is stopping new fuel supplies reaching Gaza, but accuses Hamas of stockpiling hundreds of thousands of litres.

Another eight aid lorries carrying food, water, and medicine crossed from Egypt into Gaza last night - but agencies say at least 100 lorries a day are needed.

The Hamas-run government in Gaza says 80 people were killed by overnight Israeli air strikes.

Israel says it targeted Hamas infrastructure - including roadblocks allegedly set up to stop civilians evacuating the northern Gaza Strip.

On Tuesday, the health ministry in Gaza said almost 5,800 people had been killed since 7 October.

More than 1,400 were killed in the initial attacks on Israel by Hamas, and more than 200 people are still being held hostage.


This is not the first time that there are reports of fuel shortages, I don't think it's fake, but if we would have believed the reports, fuel should've been over for over a week.

Fuel is such a major part for Hamas because this is how they operate their tunnels, as long as they have them their leaders and soldiers can be in relative safety, as the IDF can't attack the tunnels that well.
As soon as fuel actually runs out the generators that give fresh air to the tunnels will run out, that will force many Hamas fighters and leaders to go outside the tunnels - into the bombs of the IDF.

[Jimbuna]

This is not the first time that there are reports of fuel shortages, I don't think it's fake, but if we would have believed the reports, fuel should've been over for over a week.

Fuel is such a major part for Hamas because this is how they operate their tunnels, as long as they have them their leaders and soldiers can be in relative safety, as the IDF can't attack the tunnels that well.
As soon as fuel actually runs out the generators that give fresh air to the tunnels will run out, that will force many Hamas fighters and leaders to go outside the tunnels - into the bombs of the IDF.

Yes, even tunnel rats must come up for air eventually.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZlCGHYIrvs

[Skybird]

Has there been one, even just a single one, call from the West to Hamas to make its fuel reserves available to the hospitals instead of pressuring Israel to allow supplies for Hamas into the Gaza Strip?

A single one?

No...?

Then I guess we now know which side the West is really on.


Hundreds of staff members of the EU institutions in Brussels have strongly protested against Super Uschi's verbal support for Israel. Shortly before, the EU tripled its payments to the Gaza Strip.

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6Chst7j32g&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAva9VM38uA

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu4wrQOBI44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0XRRVydkVU

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYd2vk2_6g0

[Dargo]

The Israeli army has entered the Gaza Strip with ground troops and tanks, Israeli media report, based on reports from Palestinians. There were reportedly firefights between Israeli soldiers and Palestinian fighters in the Gaza Strip. The Israeli army has not yet responded to the reports. Earlier this evening, the Israeli army announced it was expanding ground operations in the Gaza Strip. The scale of these operations is unclear at this time.

[Jeff-Groves]

It's all just a continuance of the True start of WWI.
WWI started as soon as the America's were invaded by Europeans.

Ya'll ain't never had Peace on your side of the World and spread War where ever you go.

So let's Let lose the Dogs of War and get this over with!

[Otto Harkaman]

https://youtu.be/Gv7Sf6ecNok?si=gqGxl2lMQT_eyvLk
https://youtu.be/hgZBgC5t8TI?si=7wgJ-dxtoKbW76Hr

[Jeff-Groves]

No way those in Gaza didn't know of the attack before hand.
So all are guilty.
All Hamas leaders should be hunted down like Osama bin Laden and taken out.

They all get 72 Virgins anyway.

[Moonlight]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ggBF9rnBe0

[mapuc]

https://youtu.be/Gv7Sf6ecNok?si=gqGxl2lMQT_eyvLk
https://youtu.be/hgZBgC5t8TI?si=7wgJ-dxtoKbW76Hr

Could Iran be so brainless that they decide to intervene against Israel ?

It would not be Israel they have to engage they have also to face USA and some European countries.

What I think they will do is sending a lot more ammo to Lebanon and Syria. Volunteers would take part in the war from Syria and Lebanon. But directly Iran is going to stay out of it.

Markus

[Skybird]

In a way the war between Iran and Israel is hot since decades already. Hamas and Hezbollah are Iran proxies. A second source of motivation for Hamas at least is German Nazism and Hitler's "Endlösung der Judenfrage".

Its still disgusting to me how often I have been told in these countries down there that I could be proud to be a German - proud for what Germans have done to the Jews 8 decades ago. And they mean it when saying that! Wiping Jews off the Earth to these people is an accomplishment, the attitude is no "exception from the rule", but is very common.

[mapuc]

In a way the war between Iran and Israel is hot since decades already. Hamas and Hezbollah are Iran proxies. A second source of motivation for Hamas at least is German Nazism and Hitler's "Endlösung der Judenfrage".

Its still disgusting to me how often I have been told in these countries down there that I could be proud to be a German - proud for what Germans have done to the Jews 8 decades ago. And they mean it when saying that! Wiping Jews off the Earth to these people is an accomplishment, the attitude is no "exception from the rule", but is very common.

Israel and Iran has been at war with each other by proxy-for decades.
What I meant was that Iran intervene with a directly attack on Israel with their ballistic missiles or fly as close they can and fire long ranged air-to-ground missiles. Iraq would look the other way.

I don't know if Iran is brainless enough to do it. Well I don't think they will.
Only time will tell, if I'm right or badly wrong.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

The BBC's Rushdi Abualouf, reporting from Gaza, says the north of the Strip was hit overnight "on a scale we’ve never seen before"
Israel's military said last night that it was intensifying its bombing of Gaza and that its ground forces were "expanding operations"
It says that overnight it hit 150 Hamas targets and killed the head of Hamas's paraglider operations during the group's attack on Israel on 7 October
This morning, Israel's military spokesman said forces had entered Gaza and were "still in the field", and a video showed Israeli tanks on the move
Communication networks in Gaza went down last night, meaning residents can't be contacted - and we don't have any casualty figures
The UN General Assembly called for an immediate humanitarian truce, with 120 states voting for a resolution put forward by Jordan

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R51zUpqrz9E

[Skybird]

^ Israel does what it thinks it must, and I am not opposing or criticising it, since I have no better idea to offer. Anyone knowing a realistic, working, better option? Tell the world.

[Dargo]

^ Israel does what it thinks it must, and I am not opposing or criticising it, since I have no better idea to offer. Anyone knowing a realistic, working, better option? Tell the world.Israel and Palestine has to come together with a solution, both have to agree to live together without killing each other they are the only parties that can solve this, nobody else.Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves.

[em2nought]

The minute Israel stops defending themselves they'll all be dead. Israel should have been paying attention to what's getting taught in American universities as well. Those old Nazi hunters didn't need to retire, there's still a job for them. :hmmm:

[Skybird]

Gaza and Westjordan have two totally corrupt regimes that dictate the going in their realms, and they both do not want just a part of the cake - they want it all. Like orthodox Jews as well. In case of Hamas you also have a mixture of old Nazi thinking, anti-Jewish racism and Islamic supremacism.


This will never get settled. Never. Islam has dispise for Jews deeply engraved in its genes, and in thje Werts anti-semitism never was completely gone, too, is always present in disguise. Just thjatWetserners do not do that eaisly anymore what Hamas did three weeks ago to innocent families, babies, parents.



This war in my view holds a realistic chance of that Israel will not surive as a state. I dont say its the mostg lkely scneairpo, but it is a realistic scenario. Also if Israel gets so much under pressure that it uses nukes (I am sure they have).



Herman van Creveld is a famous military historian of Jewish descent, I red severla of his books. Despite his international fame his people in Israel do not like him, since he tells them since years, if not decades, that Israel'S position in the place where it is is such that it strategically it is so utmost vulnerable that in the long run its obgoing existence is questionable. Says a Jew who may not be liked by his countrymen, but who supports this same country Israel. He just tries to stay sober in his thinking. And sober thinking cannot conclude that Israels outlooks are optimistic.



It will fight to survive, of course. What else should it do.

[Dargo]

Gaza and Westjordan have two totally corrupt regimes that dictate the going in their realms, and they both do not want just a part of the cake - they want it all. Like orthodox Jews as well. In case of Hamas you also have a mixture of old Nazi thinking, anti-Jewish racism and Islamic supremacism.


This will never get settled. Never. Islam has dispise for Jews deeply engraved in its genes, and in thje Werts anti-semitism never was completely gone, too, is always present in disguise. Just thjatWetserners do not do that eaisly anymore what Hamas did three weeks ago to innocent families, babies, parents.



This war in my view holds a realistic chance of that Israel will not surive as a state. I dont say its the mostg lkely scneairpo, but it is a realistic scenario. Also if Israel gets so much under pressure that it uses nukes (I am sure they have).



Herman van Creveld is a famous military historian of Jewish descent, I red severla of his books. Despite his international fame his people in Israel do not like him, since he tells them since years, if not decades, that Israel'S position in the place where it is is such that it strategically it is so utmost vulnerable that in the long run its obgoing existence is questionable. Says a Jew who may not be liked by his countrymen, but who supports this same country Israel. He just tries to stay sober in his thinking. And sober thinking cannot conclude that Israels outlooks are optimistic.



It will fight to survive, of course. What else should it do.Nukes on whom? That who'll we/they gone to drop nukes is not where the weapon is made for any more dropping this weapon does not solve anything, makes it only worse any support you had in the world you lose the minute you drop a nuke. Since 1948 both Israel and the Palestine have tried to erase the other both parties are at fault, both sides must talk to each other if they want to survive.

[mapuc]

Nukes on whom? That who'll we/they gone to drop nukes is not where the weapon is made for any more dropping this weapon does not solve anything, makes it only worse any support you had in the world you lose the minute you drop a nuke. Since 1948 both Israel and the Palestine have tried to erase the other both parties are at fault, both sides must talk to each other if they want to survive.

On whom ? On those countries who may intervene on Hamas side of the ongoing war. Here I'm mostly thinking on Iran and Syria, maybe Lebanon too.

Could this be the reason why US has sent two of their carrier to middle east. Preventing Iran and Syria to take part in the war ?

If people is awaiting Israel using its nukes, then they only have to wait until Iran has got its first couple of nukes.

Markus

[em2nought]

If only giving Israel a strip of land the whole way along our border with Mexico and leaving the Palestinians in place to revert to the stone age would be workable solution. :D

[mapuc]

Many years ago a Danish blogger wrote an interesting post.

What would happen if People of Gaza and Denmark changed place and then take look at Denmark and Gaza 10 years later.

Gaza would be a part of Israel.
Denmark would be partial occupied by Swedes and Germans.
(this is what I could remember)

Markus

[Skybird]

Denmark would be partial occupied by Swedes and Germans.

Wait - what...? You mean Germany would be occupied by Palestinians, and they share Sweden with the Swedes! :O:

Germany is already overburdened with adding authority to the law during law-violating racist street demonstrations. I dont think we could take and keep Denmark full of Hamas and Hezbollah. :D

[mapuc]

Wait - what...? You mean Germany would be occupied by Palestinians, and they share Sweden with the Swedes! :O:

Germany is already overburdened with adding authority to the law during law-violating racist street demonstrations. I dont think we could take and keep Denmark full of Hamas and Hezbollah. :D

Southern Part of Jutland would be under German control now and then.
While eastern part of Zealand incl. Copenhagen would be under Swedish control now and then.
Hamas and Hezbollah would on daily basis send rockets towards Germany and Sweden.

Denmark would in other word collapse as a society.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoFiyMnf5JU

[Skybird]

Southern Part of Jutland would be under German control now and then.
While eastern part of Zealand incl. Copenhagen would be under Swedish control now and then.
Hamas and Hezbollah would on daily basis send rockets towards Germany and Sweden.

Denmark would in other word collapse as a society.

Markus
Germany would already struggle to just retake district Neuköln or the Sonnenallee in Berlin. :03:

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I98Iv30OHZU

[Jimbuna]

Thousands in Gaza have broken into aid depots in a "worrying sign of civil order starting to break down", the UN relief agency for Palestinian refugees (UNRWA) says.

People took flour and other basic supplies after storming several warehouses and distribution centres in the centre and south of the territory on Saturday, according to UNRWA.

Meanwhile, phone lines and internet connections are slowly returning after more than a day of almost total communications blackout.

Connectivity was cut as Israel intensified its bombardment of Gaza, and began a large ground operation involving tanks and troops.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) say more troops entered the territory overnight, while warplanes attacked more than 450 Hamas targets.

[Jimbuna]

Israeli armoured vehicles have been seen on the main road running from north to south of the Gaza Strip, close to Gaza City.

The Israeli military has said they will not comment on the location of their forces.

But it comes as Israel expands its ground offensive in Gaza, with a military spokesman saying troops killed "dozens of terrorists" during clashes overnight.

Meanwhile, "hundreds and hundreds of patients" are stuck in hospitals in the north of Gaza, the UN agency for Palestinian refugees says.

Doctors say Israel told staff to evacuate Al-Quds hospital in Gaza City on Sunday but that moving patients - many of whom are in intensive care - is impossible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFDszL9Assw

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4s3MKKegrY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK2IrlYdfrQ

[Rockstar]

It’s beyond my understanding why the British state run media can’t call a spade a spade. It’s like they want you to believe Hamas has some noble legitimate cause. Hamas should be called out for what they are, sadistic, murderers, inhuman, terrorists. Not likened to some kind of freedom fighter.

Shani Louk: Woman missing after Hamas attack is dead, says mother
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67260093

By Kathryn Armstrong
BBC News

The mother of Shani Louk, an Israeli-German woman thought to have been kidnapped by Hamas fighters at a music festival in Israel, says her daughter is dead.

Speaking to German media, Ricarda Louk said she had been told by the Israeli military that a DNA sample taken from part of a skull bone proved to be Shani's.
Her body has not yet been found.

Shani's sister also confirmed the death on social media.
Adi Louk wrote on Instagram on Monday that Shani had been killed in the "massacre at Re'im" - a reference to the attack staged by Hamas in southern Israel, near the Gaza Strip, on 7 October.

But it was not clear from the reports where or when the fragment of her skull had been found.

Israel's foreign ministry wrote on X, formerly Twitter, that it was "devastated" to have to share the news of her death.

The 22-year-old had been attending the festival near the Kibbutz Re'im when gunmen opened fire and sent terrified partygoers fleeing through the desert.
More than 260 people were killed, the Israeli authorities said, while others were taken hostage.

Soon after the attack, a video began circulating widely on social media, showing the body of a young woman being paraded through the streets in the back of a flatbed truck, surrounded by armed fighters and others yelling "Allahu Akbar" (God is Greatest).

The woman was lying face down but Ms Louk's family say they identified her from her dreadlocks and distinctive tattoos.

While there was speculation online and in the media that she was dead, Ms Louk's mother said at the time she believed her daughter was alive.
"We were sent a video in which I could clearly see our daughter unconscious in the car with the Palestinians and them driving around the Gaza Strip," Ricarda Louk said in an appeal for information posted online.
Speaking to the German TV news channel RTL/ntv on Monday, Ricarda Louk said she now assumed her daughter had been dead since 7 October and may have been shot in the head during the Hamas attack. "At least she [Shani] didn't suffer," she said, adding that it was good to have certainty.

More than 1,400 people were killed in the attacks by Hamas, according to the Israeli authorities, but there has been a delay in identifying some people due to the poor condition of some of the bodies.

More than 220 are thought to have been taken hostage and four people have been released.

[Skybird]

Spot on.


https://www-spartanat-com.translate.goog/2018/11/interview-martin-van-creveld-die-guerillas-sind-besser/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp


His book "Wir Weicheier" in German title in the orginal has the title "Pussycats. Why the rest beats the West and what can be doen about it." I have it, I recommend it.


What its about is what I would call a problem of attitude.

[em2nought]

Thousands in Gaza have broken into aid depots in a "worrying sign of civil order starting to break down", the UN relief agency for Palestinian refugees (UNRWA) says.

People took flour and other basic supplies after storming several warehouses and distribution centres in the centre and south of the territory on Saturday, according to UNRWA.



Maybe it's a good sign considering exactly who is in charge there. Maybe the peeps are beginning to get fed up with Hamas. :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

Maybe it's a good sign considering exactly who is in charge there. Maybe the peeps are beginning to get fed up with Hamas. :hmmm:

I most certainly hope so :yep:

[Jimbuna]

The Israeli military says it has rescued a female soldier in Gaza who was taken hostage by Hamas on 7 October.

They say Private Ori Megidish was freed during overnight ground operations and is "doing well"; it's the first known rescue of a hostage since the conflict began.

Separately, Hamas has released a video, which the BBC isn't showing, of three hostages held in Gaza. Israel's PM Benjamin Netanyahu describes it as "cruel psychological propaganda"

Speaking in Tel Aviv, Netanyahu rejects calls for a ceasefire, saying it would amount to a "surrender to Hamas" and now is "a time for war"

Earlier, Israeli armoured vehicles were seen on Gaza's main north-south road, close to Gaza City, as Israel continues expanding its ground offensive.

Meanwhile, "hundreds and hundreds" of patients are stuck in hospitals in northern Gaza where an Israeli evacuation order is place, the UN agency for Palestinian refugees says.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbBzHICbLA8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzwNFuzTP_0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV7T8xlF_j4

[Skybird]

https://m-focus-de.translate.goog/politik/ausland/nahost/gastbeitrag-von-islam-experte-ralph-ghadban-was-die-hamas-wirklich-vorhat-haben-viele-immer-noch-nicht-durchblickt_id_233261526.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp

[Jimbuna]

Israel says there were "large exchanges" with Hamas in Gaza overnight as its ground offensive continues.

The IDF says its forces were attacked by "terrorists" with anti-tank missiles and machine gun fire.

Air strikes on the Gaza Strip also continued overnight - Israel says more than 300 targets were hit in total.

Israel says it's focusing on northern Gaza but continues to strike "all parts of the Strip"

Hamas says it ambushed three Israeli vehicles with anti-tank missiles and attacked ground troops with shells in southern Gaza.

On Monday night, Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rejected calls for a ceasefire in Gaza, saying "this is a time for war"

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyL9fUI_bcU

[Rockstar]

Great article by James Sherr, thought it deserved its own thread so it wouldn’t get lost in the spam.

COMMENTARY OCTOBER 30, 2023
Putin’s Gaza front

https://icds.ee/en/putins-gaza-front/

https://icds.ee/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/afp_14o8ce-scaled.jpg
Vladimir Putin and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu take part in a wreath laying ceremony in Moscow on May 9, 2018. In 2011, Putin went so far as to describe Israel as a practically a Russian-speaking country’, and only seven years ago, he called it an ‘unconditional ally against international terrorism’. Yet Putin offered no condolences to Netanyahu after Hamas’s attack.

Russians have long understood that to win a war, you must utilise an enemy’s forces as skilfully as you use your own. As the Gaza conflict demonstrates, these forces can be far afield of the war one is trying to win. The joint attack by Hamas and Islamic Jihad on Israel on 7 October has shifted global attention away from Russia’s war against Ukraine. But it has not altered Russia’s determination to dismantle that country and cripple its so-called sponsors in the ‘collective West’.

On 13 October in Kyrgyzstan’s capital Bishkek, Putin claimed that ‘no one suspects [Russia] wishes to play around’ with the Gaza conflict because of its strong and good relations with each of the protagonists. But the historical record belies this assurance. Even in Soviet times, when Moscow took the ideological offensive against ‘US imperialism’ and ‘Israeli aggression’, it sought to create synergies between the region’s endemic contradictions and hostilities. Under Putin’s watch, it has cooperated ‘pragmatically’ with every country and its worst enemy. It has ‘played around’ with pre-meditation and purpose, deepening relations with Iran, Saudi Arabia, Hamas and Israel simultaneously.

In itself, the Putin-Netanyahu relationship emerged from a balance of fears no less than a balance of forces, to which one must add the respect of each party for the tenacity and calculated ruthlessness of the other. But it also was a product of permissive circumstances: President Obama’s ‘pivot to Asia’ and the diminution of America’s presence and influence in the Middle East.

Over a good fifteen years, the relationship brought tangible benefits to both sides. On the one hand, Russia looked the other way whilst Israel struck targets inside Lebanon and Syria. In turn, Israel refused to join the Western sanctions regimes of 2014 and 2022 against Russia, and despite US entreaties, has not supplied air defence systems or other lethal weapons to Ukraine either, at least overtly. In 2011, Putin went so far as to describe Israel as ‘a special state to us…practically a Russian-speaking country’, and only seven years ago, he called it an ‘unconditional ally against international terrorism’. Yet Putin offered no condolences to Netanyahu after Hamas’s attack.

To understand why, one needs to appreciate just how radically the Ukraine war has restructured Russia’s priorities. Prior to February 2022, the 50-year special relationship with Germany was at least as important as the Russia-Israel relationship, but it was sacrificed on the altar of Russia’s ‘special military operation’. Russia has now made the same calculation with respect to Israel.

Five interests now take precedence: the rupturing of the West, the war in Ukraine, ties with Iran (which the war has made an indispensable ally of Russia), sabotaging the US-sponsored Saudi-Israel entente, and driving as many wedges as possible between the ‘collective West’ and the ‘global South’. In short, the specific conditions that spawned the Russia-Israel relationship fifteen years ago have given way to new ones.

These new conditions are at least as advantageous to Russia as the old. Today, we need to face four unpalatable truths.

First, Russia views Israel as the Achilles heel of the United States. Washington might claim that it will support Ukraine ‘as long as it takes’, but it knows that Israel cannot be allowed to fail. If Congress is forced to debate the relative priority of Ukraine and Israel, there is no debate. Israel wins.

Second, Israel’s greatest weakness is that it is predictable. History has taught its people that turning the other cheek is a recipe for extinction. The attack of 7 October was not merely, in the words of Israel’s ambassador to Germany, ‘the deadliest day for Jews since the Holocaust’, it was a stunning exercise in ‘reflexive control’: the defeat of an adversary by its own actions. Israel’s survival is more at risk today than at any time since 1948.

Third, the fates of Israel, Ukraine and Taiwan are intertwined. What links them is the commitment and credibility of the United States. The Kremlin believes that their removal from the political map would mean the end of the West as such. Possibly, it is right.

Fourth, whether or not Russia was complicit in Hamas’s attack, it had every reason to be. Its 17-year relationship with Hamas goes well beyond courtesy calls. The visits of the Hamas leadership and the head of its Politburo to Moscow in March and September this year were almost certainly about consultation rather than courtesy. If, as ‘informed sources’ claim, Hamas and Iran began planning the operation one year ago, it is most unlikely that Russia was kept in the dark.

Françoise Thom recently wrote: ‘Putin understands nothing about Western civilization. On the other hand, he has an unerring instinct for what can destroy it’. Maybe.

Over the years, Putin has proved himself to be less a master strategist than an engineer of lose-lose outcomes. He might come to regret some of these. US military power is now returning to the Middle East in earnest. It takes little effort to grasp that an Israel-Iran, not to say US-Iran war could bring a swift halt to Iran’s lifeline of military supplies to Russia. Moreover, it would swiftly expose Russia’s limitations. In such a war, Russia would have no spare military power to offer. Instead of making Russia indispensable, it might show the world that it has no clothes. In the end, Russia might pay a horrendous price for the harm it has wrought. But the end could be far away. Meanwhile, Russia’s capacity to confound, subvert and damage is likely to remain unrivalled.

This article is a revised version of the one published in Postimees on 26 October.

Hat tip: G.B.H.

[Aktungbby]

You're too late; I already referenced "Putins war by distraction" in the Hamas attacks Israel thread. That was on 10/8; 18 days before Jame Sherr's editorial was published (10/26)! You"re a pussy! We need to completely nuke the Gaza strip, while simultaneously dropping one on Teheran and Cairo(Mr Atta who masterminded the 9/11 attack was Egyptian-I have a long memory...) and serve notice to Putin's global 'intent by distraction'. The bombs dropped at Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945 by WWI artillery captain Harry Truman were not intended for Hirohito as much as they were for Stalin and the post 'cold war...so every 80 years we need to repeat the message particularly to the aggravating communist factions. With MIT predicting the end of civilization by 2040, I mark it :17 years and speeding up. Too bad we don't have a detonation-rocket to turn the sun into a red giant and just end the farce over who's God is better; if one exists at all...moreover, at age 72. I don't give a rat's ass ATTN Moderator: please merge this thread with the hamas attacks Israel thread .:arrgh!::O:

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItElaR-i4zs

[Jimbuna]

BREAKING:

Dozens of people are reported killed after a blast at the Jabalia refugee camp in northern Gaza.

The Hamas-run health ministry and a hospital director say at least 50 people were killed.

The health ministry blames Israeli air strikes - the Israeli military are yet comment.

The camp is in northern Gaza - an area where Israel has told people to leave for their safety.

================================================== ========

Israel's military has confirmed that Israeli fighter jets carried out the attack on the Jabalia refugee camp in Gaza.

The IDF says the strike killed a senior Hamas commander and caused the collapse of Hamas's underground infrastructure.

[Rockstar]

You're too late; I already referenced "Putins war by distraction" in the Hamas attacks Israel thread. That was on 10/8; 18 days before Jame Sherr's editorial was published (10/26)! ATTN Moderator: please merge this thread with the hamas attacks Israel thread .:arrgh!::O:

I beg forgiveness I am but small and puny. I bow to your infinite wisdom and insights on geopolitics and international relations. Please accept my groveling as a token of my admiration and esteem for your holiness oh great and powerful poobah. :salute: ;) :D

[mapuc]

A FB-friend and former politician who is a Muslim wrote following on his wall


There will be no peace in the Middle East until the regime of black imams in Iran is suffocated.
Iran is the world's biggest exporter of terror. And they have a hand in all conflicts in the Middle East and North Africa. They sponsor, among other things, Hamas, Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations. With money, weapons and technology (drones and cyber-attacks).
The free world needs to get its act together and suffocate the regime - before they develop nuclear weapons. They are very close. And it gets really dangerous.

The free world can do that in alliance with the Arab world. Who doesn't like Iran.
As I have written before, the Arab world is not interested in war. They have had enough of war and the Palestine conflict.
People are more concerned with the misery of their everyday lives and earning their daily bread. Many think that enough has been sacrificed on the altar of the Palestine cause.

Saw a broadcast this evening on Egyptian TV. About Egypt's economy. Egypt is on the brink of bankruptcy. A war will only make it worse. Egypt's economy is highly dependent on tourism and the income from the Suez Canal. And now energy prices are rising.
An Egyptian economist said that until the Gaza war, 8% of Egypt's tourist revenue came from ISRAELI tourists! This corresponds to approx. 1.5 billion US dollars! It's over now.

Hamas leaders are calling on the Arab world to intervene. But there is radio silence. People are tired of war and terror. There have been some demonstrations in the Arab streets, but not on a large scale.
Support for the Gaza war takes up most of the social media and in the streets of the West - by the Hamas lobby, poorly integrated Muslims, the woke movement and naives.

You can suffocate the regime of black Imams in Iran without a major war and ground troops. There are other methods…


Markus

[Aktungbby]

I beg forgiveness I am but small and puny. I bow to your infinite wisdom and insights on geopolitics and international relations. Please accept my groveling as a token of my admiration and esteem for your holiness oh great and powerful poobah. :salute: ;) :DYa left out Whack-a-Squirril!!:hmph::know::woot:

[Rockstar]

Ya left out Whack-a-Squirril!!:hmph::know::woot:


Oh come-on everybody knows I won that. :O:

[Skybird]

I put this here. Its not the original topic of this thread, but closely linked to it.


https://www.nzz.ch/feuilleton/islamischer-antisemitismus-frankreich-terror-charlie-ilan-halimi-ld.1762176?_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_sl=auto


I warned of Islam imported to Europe already 20 years ago, in the wake of the war 2003 in Iraq. Many forum members back then thought I had lost it, and that Islam could be tamed.



They were wrong. I was right.


Today we reap what since many years has been sown. Sown by us, not them. "They" simply are what they are, barbars indoctrinated all their life long by Islam's inhumane racist conquest ideology. We could have left them where they were, we were not forced to let them in in milliosn and millions. Now the heap of poo we created explodes us into our faces.



Maybe you remember that I once or twice, years ago, told of that when I came to Münster 23 years ago I engaged in a Bürgerintiave against the growing of a locla Mosque here, and that they lied over the purpose of the land buying they attmepted to incrtease the property for it, and that the chairman got beaten up and hjis wife threatened, and that when I went to the police to file the case they - the police - tried to intimidate me, concluded that I were a Nazi and that I should be silent in my own interest, else the BKA might get me in for a closer interrogation. Well, that was then. Earlier this year, at the end of winter, I read by chance in the local press that the same mosque, small as it still is thanks to us (we won before court, mind you) since a few years now is under close surveillance by the BKA and the office for the protection of the constitution. Hear, hear.



All these thign shappenign now, were forseeablwe,. but nobody wnated to see them. The writing was on the wall. Sicne decades the number of racist crimes committed by Muslims is steepliy growing whereever they are forimgin communties in Europe. The number olf rapings and stabbiongs is steeply climbing as well.



And still so many are in denial. Or should I think of it as "Schockstarre"? (means literally translated: rigidity from shock)

[Jimbuna]

The Rafah crossing from Gaza to Egypt has opened for the first time since Israel's siege began.

Ambulances bringing injured people from Gaza were seen entering Egypt for treatment - at least seven patients have arrived so far.

It's thought 88 injured Palestinians and around 500 foreign nationals will be allowed out in the first phase.

In Gaza, phone and internet services are completely cut, the provider Paltel says.

Israel says 11 soldiers were killed in ground fighting in Gaza on Tuesday, taking the number of Israeli military killed since 7 October to 326

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHJ2eAP8ckA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpgu_698lJM

[em2nought]

A FB-friend and former politician who is a Muslim wrote following on his wall

You can suffocate the regime of black Imams in Iran without a major war and ground troops. There are other methods…

Markus

Such as "drill baby drill", we were suffocating them until everything that which is President Trump had to be undone by sleepy joe and his cohorts. Drill baby drill fixes lots of problems that joe has forced upon us. :up:

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRWc5oStZ2s

[Skybird]

Hm. The EU gives Gaza money. Gaza takes that European money ti buy concrete in WEuropoe. This European concrete, paid with European money, gets used to buld these tunnels.


No wonder the EU does not want to stop financing Gaza. Sounds like an economic money machine.

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVyKtyqfxz0&ab_channel=TV7IsraelNews

Markus

[Dargo]

If you say the EU gives money to contractors to make concrete, please provide the companies and bills, or it did not happen!

[Armistead]

I put this here. Its not the original topic of this thread, but closely linked to it.


https://www.nzz.ch/feuilleton/islamischer-antisemitismus-frankreich-terror-charlie-ilan-halimi-ld.1762176?_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_sl=auto


I warned of Islam imported to Europe already 20 years ago, in the wake of the war 2003 in Iraq. Many forum members back then thought I had lost it, and that Islam could be tamed.



They were wrong. I was right.


Today we reap what since many years has been sown. Sown by us, not them. "They" simply are what they are, barbars indoctrinated all their life long by Islam's inhumane racist conquest ideology. We could have left them where they were, we were not forced to let them in in milliosn and millions. Now the heap of poo we created explodes us into our faces.



Maybe you remember that I once or twice, years ago, told of that when I came to Münster 23 years ago I engaged in a Bürgerintiave against the growing of a locla Mosque here, and that they lied over the purpose of the land buying they attmepted to incrtease the property for it, and that the chairman got beaten up and hjis wife threatened, and that when I went to the police to file the case they - the police - tried to intimidate me, concluded that I were a Nazi and that I should be silent in my own interest, else the BKA might get me in for a closer interrogation. Well, that was then. Earlier this year, at the end of winter, I read by chance in the local press that the same mosque, small as it still is thanks to us (we won before court, mind you) since a few years now is under close surveillance by the BKA and the office for the protection of the constitution. Hear, hear.



All these thign shappenign now, were forseeablwe,. but nobody wnated to see them. The writing was on the wall. Sicne decades the number of racist crimes committed by Muslims is steepliy growing whereever they are forimgin communties in Europe. The number olf rapings and stabbiongs is steeply climbing as well.



And still so many are in denial. Or should I think of it as "Schockstarre"? (means literally translated: rigidity from shock)

It was so obvious what was coming. Christ Hitchens, Sam Harris and Douglas Murray did many debates and podcast on this and probably still do, minus Hitch, RIP. It's interesting like here in America the woke that that often attacked Christianity, and many times for good reason, embraced Islam. I guess anything anti West works for them and Europe as well. I think Europe in the long run is too far gone.

[em2nought]

I think Europe in the long run is too far gone.

If our so called institutions of higher learning are any indication, we might be too! :o

Sleeper agent joe is calling for a humanitarian pause supposedly to get hostages out. Guess he needs time to stack pallets of cash on a jumbo jet, minus his cut of course? LOL

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntAYUbhU5_A

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeKhtGbQYks

The Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza says more than 9,000 people have been killed in the Strip since 7 October.

Israel has bombarded the area with air strikes since Hamas killed more than 1,400 people in Israel, and kidnapped more than 200 others.

Israel's military says it's targeting Hamas infrastructure, including tunnels and rocket launchers, and minimising civilian deaths.

On the ground, five main battles are taking place between Israel and Hamas in the north of the Gaza Strip.

More civilians have reportedly left Gaza via the Rafah crossing today; the UN says more than 400 people did so yesterday.

Responding to a heckler during a speech, US President Joe Biden said there should be a "pause" in fighting to facilitate the release of hostages.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTT61oYUlkI

[mapuc]

Take it for what it is- A pro Israeli newspaper

Sixteen years have elapsed since Hamas took control by force of all the government branches and institutions in the Gaza Strip, and either expelled the Fatah operatives or literally threw them off the rooftops. With the support of international aid organizations, and also to a large extent with the indirect support of Israel, Hamas developed into a governmental terrorist organization.

https://www.israelhayom.com/2023/11/01/the-blood-money-trail-how-billions-of-dollars-for-hamas-paved-the-way-for-the-massacre-of-october-7/

Markus

[Skybird]

[NR] As the United Nations and a growing number of left-wing Americans call for a cease-fire in Gaza, Hamas is making it clear that they intend on repeating the kind of massacres they perpetrated on October 7 until Israel ceases to exist.

In an interview on Lebanese television that was captured and translated by MEMRI TV, Hamas official Ghazi Hamad declared (https://www.memri.org/tv/hamas-official-ghazi-hamad-we-will-repeat-october-seven-until-israel-annihilated-victims-everything-we-do-justified), “We must teach Israel a lesson, and we will do this again and again. The Al-Aqsa Flood is just the first time, and there will be a second, a third, a fourth, because we have the determination, the resolve, and the capabilities to fight.”
After he said “the occupation must come to an end,” the interviewer asked him if he was referring to the Gaza Strip (which Israel unilaterally withdrew from in 2005). “No, I am talking about all the Palestinian lands,” he said. When asked to clarify, “Does that mean the annihilation of Israel?” he responded, “Yes, of course.”
The argument that Israel should agree to a cease-fire just as it is in the early stage of its mission to destroy Hamas was bad enough when the implication was that Jews should just suck up what happened without holding the terrorists responsible. But now Hamas is outright saying that they will repeat the atrocities of October 7 — killing 1,400 people ranging from infants to the elderly, raping women, kidnapping hundreds — until Israel no longer exists.
As long as Hamas still exists, calling for a cease-fire is saying Jews should just allow themselves to be continuously slaughtered.
Hamas Official Ghazi Hamad: We Will Repeat the October 7 Attack Time and Again Until Israel Is Annihilated; We Are Victims – Everything We Do Is Justified #Hamas (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Hamas?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) #Gaza (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Gaza?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) #Palestinians (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Palestinians?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) pic.twitter.com/kXu3U0BtAP (https://t.co/kXu3U0BtAP)
— MEMRI (@MEMRIReports) November 1, 2023 (https://twitter.com/MEMRIReports/status/1719662664090075199?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCwRpUOzhZU&ab_channel=TV7IsraelNews

Markus

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhyOF2WAXls&ab_channel=TimesRadio

Markus

[Jimbuna]

The US's top diplomat has been meeting Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to seek "concrete steps" to minimise harm to civilians in Gaza.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken has reiterated US support for Israel but says everything must be done to protect "civilians caught in the crossfire of Hamas's making"

Earlier, Israel's military said it had "completed the encirclement of Gaza City" and was attacking Hamas infrastructure.

About 100 British nationals are on the list of people approved to leave Gaza today; The family of Scotland's First Minister Humza Yousaf have just been allowed out.

The Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza says more than 9,000 people have been killed in the Strip since 7 October.

Israel began its operation after Hamas killed more than 1,400 people in Israel and kidnapped more than 200 others.

Meanwhile, the leader of Lebanese Islamist group Hezbollah - considered a terrorist group in the UK and US - will speak soon as the group intensifies attacks on Israel from Lebanon.

Israel's military says troops are on "very high alert" along the northern border with Lebanon ahead of the speech.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUQovugDFRI&t=11s

[Aktungbby]

You're too late; I already referenced "Putins war by distraction" in the Hamas attacks Israel thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUQovugDFRI&t=11s/\...throwing in the ongoing Russian presence in Syria, the offer of Wagner assistance to Hozbollah (in today's WSJ headlines), and the Iranian drone-factory being constructed inside Russia to facilitate the Ukraine war effort, WWIII is well underway...with Taiwan waiting in the wings as a further diversion to 'soak up' the West's military assets against the post
old-war communist have-nots?:hmmm::ping:

[Jimbuna]

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said there will be no temporary ceasefire with Hamas in Gaza until all Israeli hostages are released.

He gave a televised address after talks with US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken, who's called for humanitarian pauses in the fighting to help protect civilians.

Meanwhile, Israel's army said earlier it was on "very, very high alert" at its border with Lebanon as the leader of Islamist group Hezbollah broke his silence on the war.

In a speech watched by thousands at a Beirut rally, Hassan Nasrallah praised the Hamas attacks on Israel on 7 October, but said they were "100% Palestinian"

Hezbollah - which is backed by Iran and considered a terrorist group in the UK and US - has been intensifying attacks on northern Israel from Lebanon.

Israel has warned of "unimaginable" consequences if Hezbollah joins the Israel-Gaza war.

The Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza says more than 9,000 people have been killed in the Strip since 7 October.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKXZ_TGFOS4

[Aktungbby]

..."unimaginable consequences" lends credence to my firm belief that Gaza will be the 'Sarajevo shot heard round the world'...:doh::oops::dead:...and my sig's quote is holding up well!??

[Jimbuna]

..."unimaginable consequences" lends credence to my firm belief that Gaza will be the 'Sarajevo shot heard round the world'...:doh::oops::dead:

And all the while China sits back watching quietly but well positioned to pick up all the broken pieces.

[Dargo]

The former second-in-command of the Israeli army, Yair Golan, warned Thursday that soldiers in Gaza City should under no circumstances should enter the tunnels. "It would be a huge mistake," said Golan to the Army Channel, where he warned of a bloodbath. 'You don't have to enter the tunnels, either. The wisdom is to find the entrances and seal them off, or throw smoke grenades inside, forcing the enemy to come out. Golan said he was convinced that the army had an answer to the tunnel problem. 'Believe me, they have all the knowledge and resources,' he assured. 'If Hamas stays in the tunnels, the tunnels turn into a death trap.'

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXPWuREVAFE&ab_channel=TV7IsraelNews

Markus

[em2nought]

Just fill the entrances and exits with "Great Stuff" expanding spray foam. :D

[Moonlight]

Why aren't the IDF using smoke machines to flush the terrorists out?, you could also throw stink bombs down the tunnels as well, there's no need to go in them, just use your imaginations and start getting creative. :up:

[Dargo]

Why aren't the IDF using smoke machines to flush the terrorists out?, you could also throw stink bombs down the tunnels as well, there's no need to go in them, just use your imaginations and start getting creative. :up:Because in those tunnels there are the hostages, you do not want to kill them.

[em2nought]

Because in those tunnels there are the hostages, you do not want to kill them.

The hostages might all be dead already. I don't picture Hamas taking excellent care of them. Might be the bodies Hamas uses every time they claim Israel has just accidentally killed more Palestinian civilians. :hmmm:

[Dargo]

The hostages might all be dead already. I don't picture Hamas taking excellent care of them. Might be the bodies Hamas uses every time they claim Israel has just accidentally killed more Palestinian civilians. :hmmm:The hostages are treated good, they are important for the talks that going on 24/7 why would you destroy your trade goods.

[Skybird]

Who wants to tell the Israelis that they have to gas the tunnels? I as a German certainly couldn't tell them, I am only allowed to silently think this way.

Talk is of 500 km of tunnels, up to 80-90 meters deep.

Hamas steal gasoline form hospitals. I assume they do the same with medications, medikits, watrer, food. Any deleivery into Gaza, no matter how well-intended, in parts, if not mostly, must and will end up in the hands of Hamas.

One cannot allow aid going in.

I refer to Julius Ceasar versus I think Vercingetorix. Caesar built TWO walls aroudn the enemy fortress - the inner ring towards the fortess, the outer ring against the outside to prevent reinforcements going in. When the Gaulls sent their women and children and wounded and elderly outside, assumign the Romans would helpt them and comprmise their own supply situation, Ceasar refused to accept them and left them were they are. He did not allow to comprormise his difficult military situation.

The Israeli situation is more than just "difficult". Their inner ring is a military one. Their outer ring is a political one.

War sucks. Hamas said they are proud to sacrife their people as a whole. They said they are proud of doing so. Not their own lifes only - but that of the civilian population.

Any complaints? Adress them to Hamas. Israel is best advised to stand bitterly determined and refusing anything that helps Hamas. The UN, the EU, the US - they all help Hamas and call that civilised.

What they really imply is that they prefer dead Jews over dead Arabs.

Israel must be warrior now. It has no chpoice, anything else will be seen as weakness, and will encourage more of 07-10. They must not intentionally target civilians, but they must also not allow civilians who are present to not target the enemy who calculates for such self-limitation by hiding amongst and behind civilians.

Such is war.

Scheisse.

[Jimbuna]

The IDF are consistent in one matter though.....no ceasefire of any kind until the hostages are released.

[Skybird]

You know what will come next in case of a cease-fire, Jim: demands from the West to not end it and to not re-open shooting action again. The West has no longer a warrior's heart. Softies. If Israel complies with that, it looses for sure. And its already now difficult enough for them to win their objective: which they said is to turn every member of Hamas into a dead body. This way, or similiar, Netanyahu had put it into words early on.

[Dargo]

I do not understand that we need to slaughter millions for revenge to gas them, really do you lot understand what you are saying behind your cosy keyboards. It is so easy to massacre behind a computer, oh what heroes you are all what a courage it toke you to genocide a population wow now you have great power that you do not have in IRL.

[mapuc]

I feel sorry for the Palestinian people in Gaza. That they have to suffer in this war.

I also understand the Israelis who has no other option than bomb Hamas targets even when they hide among civilians.

Negotiation !? NO Hamas and Hezbollah have made it clear erase Israel from the map.

Markus

[Dargo]

I feel sorry for the Palestinian people in Gaza. That they have to suffer in this war.

I also understand the Israelis who has no other option than bomb Hamas targets even when they hide among civilians.

Negotiation !? NO Hamas and Hezbollah have made it clear erase Israel from the map.

MarkusThis war as all wars will be settled at the negotiation table Israel can not destroy Hamas that would mean genocide and the US will not allow that it is the biggest supporter so boss what will happen here. And they want this to end if you pay for this all you call the shots it is not in the US interest to let this conflict run out of control there are geopolitics that need to consider here the US has enough on his plate to deal with. In the middle of a worldwide leadership crisis we do not need another crisis we have enough of those already, if this goes FUBAR it is going bad for the whole globe. It is the small crisis's that make the big kaboom.

[mapuc]

This war as all wars will be settled at the negotiation table Israel can not destroy Hamas that would mean genocide and the US will not allow that it is the biggest supporter so boss what will happen here. And they want this to end if you pay for this all you call the shots it is not in the US interest to let this conflict run out of control there are geopolitics that need to consider here the US has enough on his plate to deal with.

I truly hope you're right on this matter.

Then it must be the American who push the Israeli to the table, because as it is now they will not stop until Hamas is destroyed.

What will happen after such a peace treaty has been made ?- It may go some weeks and then we are back to square one again. Where Hamas sends rockets towards Israel and Israel shot back.

The only way Israel can get rid of Hamas and Hezbollah is to wipe Iran from the world map.

[Dargo]

I truly hope you're right on this matter.

Then it must be the American who push the Israeli to the table, because as it is now they will not stop until Hamas is destroyed.

What will happen after such a peace treaty has been made ?- It may go some weeks and then we are back to square one again. Where Hamas sends rockets towards Israel and Israel shot back.

The only way Israel can get rid of Hamas and Hezbollah is to wipe Iran from the world map.The US already repeatedly said do not go there where we went because revenge at those costs is not a fulfilment. If we wipe Iran off this world, another will rise to take its place, this kinda violence has never solved anything.

[mapuc]

So what is your solution to this never ending hate among the Islamic and the Jews ?

They could live fine together if there weren't this hate.

Markus

[Dargo]

So what is your solution to this never ending hate among the Islamic and the Jews ?

They could live fine together if there weren't this hate.

MarkusThe Yews, and Arab people are cousins like in every family there are fights let them start really talk to each other all this hate from both sides are extremist zealots. The anti-Semitism is almost 2000 years old, most part we in the west are fault of this we kinda overcome this after WWII because we thought enough is enough (never again) we came together and made agreements to prevent this to ever happen again. The Oslo accords were a good start, but on both sides there were extremist that destroyed that get rid of those orthodox let the people decide not those in power, the corrupt, extreme religion just the people. No side owns Israel, both family members must share equally their country. I live in a country that is build on immigrants, we have always tried to live together still do we accepted each other we talk to each other that is how we lived for centuries do not want to get your right is key here seek where you come together and work from there and **** the politicians.

[Armistead]

So what is your solution to this never ending hate among the Islamic and the Jews ?

They could live fine together if there weren't this hate.

Markus

There is none because Islam is at war with itself. For the few nations not in civil war of some sort, they always know a revolution is stewing. Jordan and the Brotherhood, Lebanon a mess, Syria has about 50 factions fighting civil war, Turkey and the Kurds, Saudis and Yemen, radicals trying to overthrow Pakistani govt, Taliban back to strict law and executing 1000's, ISIS recent rampage, Islamic violence up 50% in Africa, Palestine itself divided between Fatah and Hamas. If Israel walked out and gave all their land up, in a matter of a month an Islamic civil war would break out who would control it.

[Dargo]

There is none because Islam is at war with itself. For the few nations not in civil war of some sort, they always know a revolution is stewing. Jordan and the Brotherhood, Lebanon a mess, Syria has about 50 factions fighting civil war, Turkey and the Kurds, Saudis and Yemen, radicals trying to overthrow Pakistani govt, Taliban back to strict law and executing 1000's, ISIS recent rampage, Islamic violence up 50% in Africa, Palestine itself divided between Fatah and Hamas. If Israel walked out and gave all their land up, in a matter of a month an Islamic civil war would break out who would control it.In the Middle East it is not the religion alone I agree Islam needs its protestant version like we had against the Catholic Church the real problem is this are mostly all autocratic countries to keep their power they all use Islam to protect their power Saudi Arabia is the worst they are behind all these extreme jihad factions that cause all this terror. Saudi Arabia kingdom is so afraid they gone be killed they fund most Islam terror.

[Skybird]

Islam had a kind of reformist movement, sufism. It got practically terminated when the Mongoles stormed and destroyed Bagdad 1258 and killed practically everything inside, and there were oratcially all living Sufis of name and fame of that time in Bagdad. What remains of Sufism today is just a powerless shadow of its former self that gets persecuted in many Muslim countries for its relativising of the role of Sharia law and the relevance of some other of the not so friendly aspects and demands of Islam. Many traditional Muslims see Sufism as heresy that deserves death like any infidel not belonging to the community of the book (Christians and Jews must not necessarily be always killed, but at least subjugated nevertheless. All other religions and infidels must be exterminated, to this way bring peace to the world).

[Jimbuna]

Some 350,000-400,000 people remain in northern Gaza, US envoy David Satterfield has said.

Israel is focusing its offensive in this part of the enclave and has urged civilians in the area to move to the south.

The Israeli military is also carrying out strikes in the south and the UN says no part of Gaza is safe.

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken is meeting leaders from Lebanon, Qatar and Jordan in Amman - as he pushes for humanitarian pauses in the fighting.

But Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu said on Friday there will be no temporary ceasefire with Hamas in Gaza until all Israeli hostages are released.

The Palestinian Red Crescent said 15 people were killed when an ambulance was hit outside Gaza City's biggest hospital - Israel says it hit an ambulance that was being used by Hamas.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8fuJ60v4n4

[Onkel Neal]

Just fill the entrances and exits with "Great Stuff" expanding spray foam. :D
Hahaha! No, wait, way too expensive, just fill the tunnels with gas.

Ok, no chemical weapons, well, Nitrogen gas then.

The IDF are consistent in one matter though.....no ceasefire of any kind until the hostages are released.

Yes, and that is strategically important. Each time the cry goes out for ceasefire, Jews should respond "release hostages first."

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM0BdpuZ5zA

[mapuc]

USA fear the war may spread to the entire region.

Israels refusal to accept a ceasefire and their bombarding the civilians in Gaza, could very well be the torch that light the fire.

Egypt and Jordan has said it clearly exaggerated use of force against the civilians could change the diplomatic status between Israel and these two countries.
(If I remember correctly)

If any doubt-I support Israel

Markus

[Jimbuna]

As clearly stated a number of times the Israeli response should be along the lines of "Release the hostages first" or "You started it so we'll finish it"

[Jeff-Groves]

Suck it up ButterCup! Time to put the Big Boy Boots on!
https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/gaza-news/article-770681

[mapuc]

As clearly stated a number of times the Israeli response should be along the lines of "Release the hostages first" or "You started it so we'll finish it"

It should also be followed by "Surrender the Hamas terrorist to us, or suffer the consequences"

Markus

[Skybird]

The population has it not in its hands to hand Hamas over, unfortunately.
And if it could do it, it still would not do it. The hate on Israel just is too big.

[Dargo]

The population has it not in its hands to hand Hamas over, unfortunately.
And if it could do it, it still would not do it. The hate on Israel just is too big.Expectedly after what Israel doing now the hate will grow 10-fold to the new recruiting of Hamas fighters it does not matter how many Hamas commanders/leaders Israel kills new young are already stepping up. Every Palestine sister, brother, mother, father etc killed by Israel will grow Hamas by the 10-fold there always be an Arab country funding this and give refuge to Hamas. This crisis will not be solved military you postpone it till Hamas has regrouped for its next attack only for the bühne, Bibi trying saving his ass he is the one that made the attack on 7 October possible with his policy of allying himself with the orthodox same ones that will not risk their lives in this conflict because they are exempt on orthodox religion reasons from the army.

[Skybird]

It got reported that after 07-10 as a matter of fact the number of orthodox Jews volunteering for army service has suddenly gone upwards recently. ;)


Israel cannot move its land and boprders. It either successfully fights in place, or falls. And likely will pull others down with it. Means - they will need to fight on and on and on. I am quite certain this would be the case even if their would be a separate Arab state. Such a state would only be an advanced combat post for Iran, and an achor poiunt for china. Directly in striking distance to all Israeli cities. Ther eis Lebanon, a separate and claimed sorveirgn state. Does it give peace to Israel? Hardly.



Fight on, Israel. And you better fight damn well. Forever.

[Dargo]

It got reported that after 07-10 as a matter of fact the number of orthodox Jews volunteering for army service has suddenly gone upwards recently. ;)


Israel cannot move its land and boprders. It either successfully fights in place, or falls. And likely will pull others down with it. Means - they will need to fight on and on and on. I am quite certain this would be the case even if their would be a separate Arab state. Such a state would only be an advanced combat post for Iran, and an achor poiunt for china. Directly in striking distance to all Israeli cities. Ther eis Lebanon, a separate and claimed sorveirgn state. Does it give peace to Israel? Hardly.



Fight on, Israel. And you better fight damn well. Forever.Israel invaded this land the 1948 independent UN resolution did not have this much land and certainly not this borders they have now you all can cry me a river about how Israel is hurting you only forgot the other people living they're driven out of the land into refuge camps for decades this is not only the past this happens in the now. The longer Israel does not fix this they will never, and I mean centuries, have any peace.

[mapuc]

If I remember correctly they got a part of Palestine from UN in 1948-Which the other Arabic countries refused to accept and attacked the new country.

Israel won this war and lost the Gaza strip to Egypt but gain land in other places. They won these land in war and are thereby theirs

In the 1967 war Israel toke Sinai

The war in 1973 here they manage to take the Golan and rest of Jerusalem

They so to say "won" these part of land in war.

Markus

[Dargo]

If I remember correctly they got a part of Palestine from UN in 1948-Which the other Arabic countries refused to accept and attacked the new country.

Israel won this war and lost the Gaza strip to Egypt but gain land in other places. They won these land in war and are thereby theirs

In the 1967 war Israel toke Sinai

The war in 1973 here they manage to take the Golan and rest of Jerusalem

They so to say "won" these part of land in war.

MarkusWas that before Haganah attacked the Palestine's pre-1948 and drove them off their land?

[Dargo]

There never has been, nor will there be, a military solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
This is the time to address Israelis in the spirit of mutual respect, hope, and truthfulness; to move beyond the dismissive, derogatory, and threatening words and deeds that define the relationship between Palestinians and Israelis, and between Arabs and Jews.

I was born and raised in Jerusalem. I started out as a Palestinian, then became a Palestinian Jordanian, then an immigrant to America, and then an American, now for more than half a century. But nothing—not time, not distance—has diluted my empathy with the Palestinians and Palestine, and nothing has altered my view that all people have rights and deserve to be treated with respect. During my medical residency in the U.S., I met American Jewish doctors who shared my interests and curiosity, if not necessarily my views. Some of them remain my good friends to this day. I have been fortunate in my work, at the American Task Force on Palestine, to develop treasured and enduring friendships with many Jewish people of different nationalities, including Israelis. It is in this very American spirit that I address Israelis today.

I must start by noting that our family lost everything in Jerusalem in 1948. We survived and even thrived, but this loss is a core truth of my family’s history. Yet even as I have lived Palestinian pain, I have made an effort to study and understand Jewish pain, which is primordial and deep.

Palestinians—almost unanimously—view Zionism not as a triumph, as so many Jews view it, but as a historical tragedy. What is today the nation of Israel began in the late 19th century as a quasi-messianic Western movement to transform historic Palestine into a Jewish state, which had not existed for 2,000 years. The story from our perspective is one of relentless, systematic dispossession of the indigenous Arab population, sponsored by Western colonial powers who were at best cavalier toward Arab rights and aspirations, and at worst brutal and racist... https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/11/israel-gaza-no-military-solution/675897/

[Moonlight]

This was an interesting read.

Where should history begin, and should it matter?

“Israel” and “Palestine.” One land, two names. Both Jews and Arabs have claimed it as theirs alone. From a purely historical perspective, “Israel” predates “Palestine” by more than a millennium. But, with the Jewish people then dispersed from their homeland, “Palestine” became home to a substantial Arab population, again for more than a millennium. From a perspective of justice and equity, both peoples have a legitimate claim to the land.


Most Read of 2021: “Israel” and “Palestine”: Where Should History Begin, and Should it Matter?

https://www.internationalaffairs.org.au/australianoutlook/israel-and-palestine-where-should-history-begin-and-should-it-matter/#:~:text=Both%20Jews%20and%20Arabs%20have,for%20mo re%20than%20a%20millennium.

[Rockstar]

This was an interesting read.

Where should history begin, and should it matter?




Most Read of 2021: “Israel” and “Palestine”: Where Should History Begin, and Should it Matter?

https://www.internationalaffairs.org.au/australianoutlook/israel-and-palestine-where-should-history-begin-and-should-it-matter/#:~:text=Both%20Jews%20and%20Arabs%20have,for%20mo re%20than%20a%20millennium.

Seeing as how both consider themselves sons of Abraham I’m sure his sons could live in peace if it weren’t for extremists with written charters like those of Hamas. https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htm

Jew doesn’t define a religion it’s short for Judaean which defines a particular stretch land one hails from..

[Skybird]

There can be no doubt that the territory known as Israel now and Palestine before, before that was Roman. And before that was Hebrew. And before that wa ssomethign else. And before that was just land with grass eaters and meat nibblers. And before that was somethign totally different.



We should all and everything genetically regress and evolve back to that one cell that we all once were and where we were all one because there was only that one first cell. What peaceful times those were when we were all just one and knew with certainty: "A second cell? I don't need one."


Its ironic that the land that humans - and only humans - call "the Holy Land" is the one most fought-over and blood-soaking piece of land in the whole world. Tells a lot about religion.

[Dargo]

You don't destroy mosques, churches, bakeries, olive groves, farms, universities, hospitals, schools, power systems, water systems, unless you are trying to erase an entire people. Unless, when you say terrorists, you actually mean everyone. It's not complex there is no greater evil than genocide, there is no greater dark compromise than to surrender to it. No two sides to this story there's the death cult of Zionism, a European colonial project that seeks to exploit the horror Jews and others went through in WWII as it works to match that nightmare, and there are the occupied who have a fundamental right to armed struggle and freedom. Our generation came of age to the horror of a sobbing Vietnamese girl running, burned naked by Napalm made in the USA. Today entire Palestinian families are vaporized by Israeli phosphorous funded by the USA. Only fools would describe Israel's most recent genocidal attack on millions of Palestinian civilians in Gaza and the West Bank as an attack on Hamas

[Rockstar]

You don't destroy mosques, churches, bakeries, olive groves, farms, universities, hospitals, schools, power systems, water systems, unless you are trying to erase an entire people. Unless, when you say terrorists, you actually mean everyone. It's not complex there is no greater evil than genocide, there is no greater dark compromise than to surrender to it. No two sides to this story there's the death cult of Zionism, a European colonial project that seeks to exploit the horror Jews and others went through in WWII as it works to match that nightmare, and there are the occupied who have a fundamental right to armed struggle and freedom. Our generation came of age to the horror of a sobbing Vietnamese girl running, burned naked by Napalm made in the USA. Today entire Palestinian families are vaporized by Israeli phosphorous funded by the USA. Only fools would describe Israel's most recent genocidal attack on millions of Palestinian civilians in Gaza and the West Bank as an attack on Hamas

Interesting :hmmm:

Israel basic law:

Purpose

1. The purpose of this Basic Law is to protect human dignity and liberty, in order to establish in a Basic Law tile values of the State of Israel as a Jewish and democratic state.

Preservation of life, body and dignity

2. There shall be no violation of the life, body or dignity of any person as such.
Protection of property

3. There shall be no violation of the property of a person.

Protection of life, body and dignity

4. All persons are entitled to protection of their life, body and dignity.
Personal liberty
5. There shall be no deprivation or restriction of the liberty of a person by imprisonment, arrest, extradition or otherwise.
Leaving and entering Israel
6. (a) All persons are free to leave Israel.
(b) Every Israel national has the right of entry into Israel from abroad.

Privacy

7. (a) All persons have the right to privacy and to intimacy.
(b) There shall be no entry into the private premises of a person who has not consented thereto.

(c) No search shall be conducted on the private premises of a person, nor in the body or personal effects.

(d) There shall be no violation of the confidentiality of conversation, or of the writings or records of a person.

Violation of rights

8. There shall be no violation of rights under this Basic Law except by a law befitting the values of the State of Israel, enacted for a proper purpose, and to an extent no greater than is required.
Reservation regarding security forces

9. There shall be no restriction of rights under this Basic Law held by persons serving in the Israel Defence Forces, the Israel Police, the Prisons Service and other security organizations of the State, nor shall such rights be subject to conditions, except by virtue of a law, or by regulation enacted by virtue of a law, and to an extent no greater than is required by the nature and character of the service.

Validity of laws

10. This Basic Law shall not affect the validity of any law (din) in force prior to the commencement of the Basic Law.

Application

11. All governmental authorities are bound to respect the rights under this Basic Law.

Stability

12. This Basic Law cannot be varied, suspended or made subject to conditions by emergency regulations; notwithstanding, when a state of emergency exists, by virtue of a declaration under section 9 of the Law and Administration Ordinance, 5708-1948, emergency regulations may be enacted by virtue of said section to deny or restrict rights under this Basic Law, provided the denial or restriction shall be for a proper purpose and for a period and extent no greater than is required.


YITZHAK SHAMIR
Prime Minister
CHAIM HERZOG
President of the State

DOV SHILANSKY
Speaker of the Knesset

* Passed by the Knesset on the 12th Adar Bet, 5752 (17th March, 1992) and published in Sefer Ha-Chukkim No. 1391 of the 20th Adar Bet, 5752 (25th March, 1992); the Bill and an Explanatory Note were published in Hatza'ot Chok, No. 2086 of 5752, p. 60.




COMPARED TO HAMAS CHARTER sane people know them as the religious cowards who hide behind and use innocent civilians as shields.

The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement was issued on August

18, 1988. The Islamic Resistance Movement, also known as the HAMAS,

is an extremist fundamentalist Islamic organization operating in the

territories under Israeli control. Its Covenant is a comprehensive

manifesto comprised of 36 separate articles, all of which promote the

basic HAMAS goal of destroying the State of Israel through Jihad

(Islamic Holy War). The following are excerpts of the HAMAS

Covenant:



Goals of the HAMAS:

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'The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian

movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is

Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of

Palestine.' (Article 6)



On the Destruction of Israel:

-----------------------------

'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will

obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble)



The Exclusive Moslem Nature of the Area:

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'The land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf [Holy Possession]

consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgment Day. No one

can renounce it or any part, or abandon it or any part of it.'

(Article 11)



'Palestine is an Islamic land... Since this is the case, the

Liberation of Palestine is an individual duty for every Moslem

wherever he may be.' (Article 13)



The Call to Jihad:

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'The day the enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the

individual duty of every Moslem. In the face of the Jews' usurpation,

it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised.' (Article 15)



'Ranks will close, fighters joining other fighters, and masses

everywhere in the Islamic world will come forward in response to the

call of duty, loudly proclaiming: 'Hail to Jihad!'. This cry will

reach the heavens and will go on being resounded until liberation is

achieved, the invaders vanquished and Allah's victory comes about.'

(Article 33)



Rejection of a Negotiated Peace Settlement:

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'[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and

international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of

the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than

a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of

Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by

Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a

waste of time, an exercise in futility.' (Article 13)



Condemnation of the Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty:

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'Egypt was, to a great extent, removed from the circle of struggle

[against Zionism] through the treacherous Camp David Agreement. The

Zionists are trying to draw other Arab countries into similar

agreements in order to bring them outside the circle of struggle.

...Leaving the circle of struggle against Zionism is high treason,

and cursed be he who perpetrates such an act.' (Article 32)



Anti-Semitic Incitement:

------------------------

'The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and

kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the

rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind

me, come and kill him.' (Article 7)



'The enemies have been scheming for a long time ... and have

accumulated huge and influential material wealth. With their money,

they took control of the world media... With their money they stirred

revolutions in various parts of the globe... They stood behind the

French Revolution, the Communist Revolution and most of the

revolutions we hear about... With their money they formed secret

organizations - such as the Freemasons, Rotary Clubs and the Lions -

which are spreading around the world, in order to destroy societies

and carry out Zionist interests... They stood behind World War I ...

and formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the

world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge

financial gains... There is no war going on anywhere without them

having their finger in it.' (Article 22)



'Zionism scheming has no end, and after Palestine, they will covet

expansion from the Nile to the Euphrates River. When they have

finished digesting the area on which they have laid their hand, they

will look forward to more expansion. Their scheme has been laid out

in the 'Protocols of the Elders of Zion'.' (Article 32)



'The HAMAS regards itself the spearhead and the vanguard of the

circle of struggle against World Zionism... Islamic groups all over

the Arab world should also do the same, since they are best equipped

for their future role in the fight against the warmongering Jews.'

(Article 32)

[Dargo]

Interesting :hmmm:

Israel basic law:






COMPARED TO HAMAS CHARTER sane people know them as the religious cowards who hide behind and use innocent civilians as shields.When I speak of Palestinian I speak of the Palestinian people no gods no masters no slaves. Hamas is not Palestine. Palestine is not Hamas. If you cannot tell the difference, that says something about you, not the Palestinian people.

[Rockstar]

When I speak of Palestinian I speak of the Palestinian people no gods no masters no slaves. Hamas is not Palestine. Palestine is not Hamas. If you cannot tell the difference, that says something about you, not the Palestinian people.

You’re fookin kidding right? Iranian backed Hamas attacks a legitimate state. That legitimate state retaliates against a bunch of allah lovin Hamas terrorists whose only goal is to kill Judeans. And you have the audacity to equate the retaliation against Hamas as an attack against Palestinians? Utter foolishness to think that. Damn your eyes.

How much you want to bet those poor Palestinians you seem to care so much about would love nothing more than to see Hamas and all the other religious allah lovin killers to be eliminated just as much as Israel and the rest of humanity would?

It’s simple, get rid of Iranian backed terrorists like Hamas and all the other allah lovin’ kook fringe psychos and there will be peace. What those poor Palestinians need is their own Alexander Hamilton, John Quincy Adams, Paul Revere and Crispus Attucks to stand up and declare their freedom from the Allah lovin’ psycho killers like Hamas so they can live in peace.

And btw, those pictures you’re so appalled by of the little Vietnamese girl burned by American weapons are the same American weapons you believe are necessary in Ukraine. War is hell if ya don’t have the stomach for it then stay out of it.

[Dargo]

You’re fookin kidding right? Iranian backed Hamas attacks a legitimate state. That legitimate state retaliates against a bunch of allah lovin Hamas terrorists whose only goal is to kill Judeans. And now you have the audacity to sit there and tell me an attack against Hamas is an attack against Palestinians ? :har: :har::har:

How much you want to bet those poor Palestinians you mention would love to see Hamas and all the other religious allah lovin killers to be eliminated just as much as Israel does.

It’s simple, get rid of Iranian backed terrorists like Hamas and all the other allah lovin’ kook fringe psychos and there will be peace. What those poor Palestinians need is their own Alexander Hamilton, John Quincy Adams and Crispus Attucks to stand up and declare their freedom from the Allah lovin’ psycho killers like Hamas so they can live in peace.You can throw what ever on the table I speak of Palestine people I really do not care either you can name me what ever you want I do not care the turn is already made throw any god backward spelt dog at me accuse me of terrorism I will not stop no state could so certainly you can't

[Rockstar]

You can throw what ever on the table I speak of Palestine people I really do not care either you can name me what ever you want I do not care the turn is already made throw any god backward spelt dog at me accuse me of terrorism I will not stop no state could so certainly you can't

Dude, proof read google translate before you post it. I don’t have a fookin clue what the hell you just wrote. Either that your account was hacked.

[Skybird]

When I speak of Palestinian I speak of the Palestinian people no gods no masters no slaves. Hamas is not Palestine. Palestine is not Hamas. If you cannot tell the difference, that says something about you, not the Palestinian people.
When Hamas deliberately builds military infrastructure under hospitals, schools, kindergardens, like hezbollah abuses mosques as weapons depots, and in general hides within civilian population, there is no difference between Hamas and "Palestine" anymore. Israels sends knockon warnings, dud bombs, before it really strikes, to give civilians the opportunity to flee, and terrorists alike. Hamas wants, it deliberately wants civilians getting killed, to score in the propaganda war.

Hamas must be destroyed. Presence of civilians must not distract from that goal. Israel cannot avoid collateral damage, but does a lot to avoid it. But it also does what it must. Hamas does what it can to maximise collateral damage. Thats what sets both sides apart. Those tunnels are up to 80m deep. Making them collapse by bombing leaves destruction on the ground surface, too. It cannot be avoided. They must prepare as good as they can, to not needlessly send more soldiers into their deaths than unavoidable. Or should they sacrifice their Jewish lives to save Arab lives?

[em2nought]

I find the idea that Palestinians aren't on the same side as Hamas funny because even the ones on college campuses in the US appear to be on the side of Hamas. :hmmm:

[Skybird]

On German streets, Islamic fascism, Hamas genocidalism, and native leftists and Marxist, rightwingers and Nazis, and "woke", "progressive", post-cultural dumbheads melt together and unify. What a mix, united by its hate on freedom, democracy, liberals, "the West" - and Jews. We saw a first taste of that already during and in the aftermath of the terror attack on the Olympic games 1972. Thats fifty years ago.


Lets face it, in the past, many said they criticised Israel but not the Jews. But what it really was about all the time was hate on Jews: antisemitism. And in Germany, we imported antisemites and the wonderful ideology of Islam like crazy. Now we are no more master in our own house, and the mice dance on our tables. In the city of Essen, pro Palstinian dmeonstrator and "radical Islamists" called for the erection of a calipohate in Germany, in other palces the extemrination of Jews was demanded - all not allowed by the law. The government? Outraged words, forbidding words, warning words, admonishing words, threatening words, announcing words - but no deeds to add meat and bones to them - or to enforce the rule of the law. They banned one, a single one radical Hamas organsiation (banned in the EU and rated as a terror organization by the eU since many years. The other such organisations all are left untouched.



Germany is hilarious.

[Jimbuna]

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken meets Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in the occupied West Bank.

President Abbas is the leader of the Palestinian Authority, which governs the parts of the West Bank not under Israeli control.

Blinken has been working with leaders in the region on a so-called humanitarian pause. President Joe Biden suggested there had been some progress on the issue.

But Arab countries have been demanding an immediate ceasefire in Gaza. The US warns this would allow Hamas to regroup.

Meanwhile the Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza says more than 30 people have been killed in an Israeli airstrike on the al-Maghazi refugee camp - the Israeli military says it is investigating.

The UN says there are nearly 1.5 million displaced Gazans - and its facilities in the south are over capacity and no longer able to accept new arrivals.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm1D4C-zNgY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbWgFRgb6Ik

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCzZs3ydFfc

[mapuc]

They say the first victim in a war is the truth, the second type of victims is the civilians.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9bFKyr6j9k

[Catfish]

If you think about it all the fighting is about "religion", as a theo[sic[k]] - retical idea about the ultimate "truth".
I do not believe ethics are based on any religion.
But religion or not, how can you slaughter people for millenia for any theory of religion, imperium, dominance. Sick human minds.

[Jeff-Groves]

It's easy to kill those that disagree with you.
What is hard is to figure out how to live with each other.
The Human Animal don't like hard. And We are Animals!
Boil any situation down and if it does not suit us?
We WILL kill!

[Catfish]

It's easy to kill those that disagree with you.
What is hard is to figure out how to live with each other.
The Human Animal don't like hard. And We are Animals! [...]
We WILL kill!
Humans are animals of just another species, right.
(If we leave out religious beliefs and that some certain (and surely not all !) humans are the chosen ones etc. etc.)
But "We"? Humans kill each other. Apart from ants I have no info on any other species on this mudball that kills each other, especially not on purpose and based on religious or any abstract.. theories.

[Skybird]

Big cats living in a rudel, lions, as well as wolves may kill others of their species, or two rudels fight when trying to chase each other away. Males of many species kill babies of a female that are from another male. There were chimp groups observed who fought with other groups in an almost hunting or warlike action, sometimes killing some of them, as I believe to rememeber. And some more.

[Jimbuna]

Israel's military has carried out one of the heaviest bombardments of Gaza since the war began a month ago.

The director of Gaza City's Al-Shifa hospital says about 200 people were killed in strikes overnight.

Casualties arrived at the hospital in carts carried by donkeys, the director told our reporter in Gaza, as communications outages left people unable to reach ambulance services.

The Israeli military said its troops "took control of a Hamas outpost in Gaza" last night and had effectively divided the Strip in two.

Meanwhile, all major UN agencies have said "enough is enough" in a rare joint statement, as they repeat calls for a humanitarian ceasefire.

The US's top diplomat Antony Blinken says he is working "very aggressively" to get more aid into Gaza, as he rounds off a tour of the region.

[Exocet25fr]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12694209/United-Nations-Craig-Mokhiber-RESIGNS-Israel-Hamas-war-Gaza-genocide.html

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw_Xt7ETjCM

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL4BQyWN1HA

[Skybird]

Good political analysis. To say the outlook is bleak would be an understatement.

https://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/nahost/politik-transparent-die-expertise-von-thomas-jaeger-das-gaza-dilemma-welche-loesungen-fuer-die-zeit-nach-dem-krieg-denkbar-sind_id_240554803.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBiL0VEttZw
^ Matches not just by title, but by mood. No realoistic, working answer in sight, nowhere.


I disagree with Jäger on his statement that Abbas has any political legitimation left. He has none, has simply ursurped his seat after his term ran out many, many years ago. He is as corrupt as almost al other leaders in that region.

[Jimbuna]

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Hamas leader refuses to acknowledge killing of civilians in Israel

A senior Hamas leader has refused to acknowledge that his group killed civilians in Israel, claiming only conscripts were targeted.

Moussa Abu Marzouk told the BBC that "women, children and civilians were exempt" from Hamas's attacks.

His claims are in stark contrast to the wealth of evidence of Hamas men shooting unarmed adults and children.

The proof includes video from Hamas body cameras and first-hand testimony given to international news networks.

Israel says more than 1,400 people were killed by Hamas in the 7 October attacks, most of them civilians.

Mr Marzouk, the group's deputy political leader, who is subject to an asset freeze in the UK under counter-terrorism regulations, was interviewed on Saturday in the Gulf. He is the most senior member to speak to the BBC since the 7 October atrocities.

The BBC pressed Mr Marzouk on the war on Gaza, specifically on the scores of hostages being held inside the territory.

He responded that they were not able to be freed while Israel was bombing Gaza. The Hamas-run health ministry says 10,000 people have been killed since Israel started operations last month.

"We will release them. But we need to stop the fighting," he said.

Mr Marzouk recently travelled to Moscow to discuss eight Russian-Israeli dual citizens snatched on 7 October by Hamas, a proscribed terror organisation in many countries including the UK and US.

He said Hamas members in Gaza had "looked for and found two female hostages" from Russia but were unable to release them because of the conflict.

They could only realistically release hostages, he said, if "the Israelis stop the fighting so we can hand them over to the Red Cross".

Challenged by the BBC about the attack of 7 October, Mr Marzouk claimed that Mohamed el-Deif, the leader of Hamas's Qassam Brigades military wing, had ordered his men to spare civilians.

"El-Deif clearly told his fighters 'don't kill a woman, don't kill a child and don't kill an old man'," he said.

Reservist soldiers were, he said, "targeted". He maintained that only "conscripts [...] or soldiers" were killed.

But women, children and civilians were "exempt", he said.

Yet a huge body of evidence has been gathered which documents the range of bloody acts committed by Hamas in Israel on 7 October.

BBC journalists went to the scene of the attacks in their immediate aftermath and saw the bodies of civilians who had been killed.

We have also verified CCTV footage which captured shootings by Hamas. Separately, footage from Hamas body cameras has been shown to the BBC and other journalists by the Israeli government.

Other international news organisations have also pieced together, and verified, evidence of what happened on the day.

The BBC challenged Mr Marzouk on this, but the leader, whose polished, measured manner during the interview sometimes slipped into irritation, did not answer the question directly.

When asked if Hamas's political wing had known of preparations for the attack, the deputy leader said that the armed wing "don't have to consult with the political leadership. There is no need."

The political wing, based in Qatar, often presents itself as being remote from the military forces in Gaza.

The UK government sees no distinction - it proscribed the Hamas political wing as a terrorist organisation in 2021, saying that "the approach of distinguishing between the various parts of Hamas is artificial. Hamas is a complex but single terrorist organisation".

Mr Marzouk is also listed as a specially designated global terrorist by the US Treasury Department, and is indicted on several charges of co-ordinating and financing Hamas activities.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67321241

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERWAmrflews
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHQ2f6tOaYs

[mapuc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l43gCNMoNsg&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-h84T6CtM4

[Jimbuna]

The G7 group of nations - including the UK and US - call for "humanitarian pauses" in the fighting in Gaza.

Such pauses would allow more aid into Gaza, and would allow more civilians to leave.

Pauses are not the same as a ceasefire - which Israel has ruled out while Hamas holds Israeli hostages in Gaza.

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken also insists there should be no Israeli reoccupation of Gaza after the war.

Hamas-run authorities say homes were bombed in Gaza City overnight, with deaths reported.

The Israeli military says it kills a Hamas weapons leader and "continues to operate deep in the Gaza Strip"

Israel launched its operation after the Hamas attacks on 7 October, which saw 1,400 people killed and more than 200 taken hostage.

More than 10,300 people have been killed in Gaza according to the Hamas-run health ministry, including more than 4,100 children.

[em2nought]

More than 10,300 people have been killed in Gaza according to the Hamas-run health ministry, including more than 4,100 children.

...and the mainstream media treats these numbers from the mouths of Hamas as sacrosanct. :har:

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blsHEq57b1Q

[Jimbuna]

...and the mainstream media treats these numbers from the mouths of Hamas as sacrosanct. :har:

Precisely :)

[Moonlight]

Did Israel Steal Palestinian Land?

In this episode of New Ideal Live, Elan Journo and Nikos Sotirakopoulos challenge the misleading narrative of the shrinking Palestinian lands and the claim that Israel has allegedly stolen them. They explore the history of how the Israeli territories were lawfully acquired, the Palestinians’ repeated failures to form an enduring, peaceful state, and the broader philosophical questions of what moral premises are necessary to validate any claim to statehood.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btVFgqkgkzw

0:00:00 Introduction
0:01:43 Dishonesty of “shrinking Palestine”
0:06:35 How the land was bought
0:07:58 The Arab rejection of the two-state UN plan
0:11:40 Morality of the Palestinian claim for statehood
0:19:29 It’s about the type of society, not land
0:22:04 Israel and the West Bank, Gaza, and the Golan Heights
0:25:12 The flaws of the “land for peace” policy
0:30:03 The Palestinians’ real goal

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qmeQkDJ7qQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYY-ErMJcNE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xh_3pExd8s

[mapuc]

It's not a question on whether USA will retaliate the latest attack on their bases in Syria and Iraq. The question is-Where are they going to hit.

Iran ? Not likely
Iran supported bases ? Most likely

Markus

[Exocet25fr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoUDdnGl5n0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3yDx_VWPd8

[Moonlight]

Which journalist or news reporter were shedding tears over the 1400 Israeli dead?, what was that, speak up, did you say "None of Them", well I'll not shed any for these then.

[mapuc]

Turn your hate against HAMAS not the Israelis or the Palestinians.

The Palestinian are beginning to get tired of HAMAS.
(so said a former politician, who is from Syria)

Markus

[em2nought]

It's not a question on whether USA will retaliate the latest attack on their bases in Syria and Iraq. The question is-Where are they going to hit.

Iran ? Not likely
Iran supported bases ? Most likely

Markus

In regard to our ability to ferret out the actual culprits: If only Saddam Hussein was still around. :har:

[Exocet25fr]

mapuc wrote:

Turn your hate against HAMAS not the Israelis or the Palestinians.

The Palestinian are beginning to get tired of HAMAS.
(so said a former politician, who is from Syria)


My hate !? :har: . Your conclusion is too easy :yeah:

Turn your hate against SETTLERS!

The Palestinian are tired to be ROBBED too since a LONG TIME.
(so said a frogger, who is from France)

[Exocet25fr]

Putin is a Gentleman beside neta-MIAOU! :03:

Time for sanctions on Israel – Belgian deputy PM

Trade and travel restrictions should be considered due to the ‘rain of bombs’ on Gaza, Petra De Sutter has said, Israel should face repercussions for the massive civilian death toll from its anti-Hamas operation in Gaza, Belgian Deputy Prime Minister Petra De Sutter has said. “We cannot look away while children are killed every day in Gaza,” the politician told the Nieuwsblad newspaper on Wednesday. “It is time for sanctions against Israel. The rain of bombs is inhumane. It is clear that Israel does not care about the international demands for a ceasefire.”

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=2891308


Why Israel wants to dump Palestinian refugees on a Western nation :D

An early plan leaked from the Israeli government suggests Canada as a possible final destination for those displaced by the Gaza war

Israel’s Intelligence Ministry has come up with a creative solution for dealing with those displaced by the Gaza conflict, of which there are an estimated 1.4 million and counting: Go west — all the way to Canada.

https://www.rt.com/news/586688-israel-gaza-refugees-canada/

I have a very good idea: I suggest pieces of land in united-kingdom or in denmark.....:haha:

[em2nought]

Just say no to importing Palestinians into what's left of Western Civilization. They'll just tear up your water pipes and make rockets to launch against you out of said pipes. :D

https://www.israel365news.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Capture-4-1-1.jpg

[Jimbuna]

Israel says it takes over a Hamas "stronghold" in northern Gaza after a 10-hour battle.

Hamas-run authorities say Israeli air strikes continued overnight, including in Khan Younis in the south, where six people were reportedly killed.

An evacuation route, allowing people to leave northern Gaza for the south, reopens for the fifth day.

Israel says 50,000 Palestinians left the Gaza City area on Wednesday via that route.

But the Rafah crossing into Egypt is closed, as Hamas wants more injured Palestinians to be let out alongside foreign passport holders.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g69UQjKanc0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPbkaGUHNOI

[Jimbuna]

The US says that Israel will begin to implement four-hour military pauses in areas of northern Gaza each day to allow civilians to flee.

White House spokesman John Kirby says the move represents a "significant first step"

Earlier the Israeli military said "there are tactical, local pauses for humanitarian aid for Gazan civilians" and made clear "there is no ceasefire"

The Islamic Jihad group in Gaza has released a video of two Israeli hostages - an elderly woman and a boy.

There has been fighting between Israel and Hamas close to the Al Quds hospital in Gaza City.

Our correspondent in the Gaza Strip reports "a real gun battle" in the area.

[August]

I have a very good idea: I suggest pieces of land in united-kingdom or in denmark.....:haha:




I suggest France.

[Jimbuna]

I suggest France.

Makes sense, there'd be no need to fight then.

[Otto Harkaman]

https://youtu.be/W2myO-slp7w?si=Mkb_nXuNbbbnbO3Y

[Jimbuna]

The US says Israel will begin to implement four-hour military pauses in areas of northern Gaza each day to allow civilians to flee.

The Israeli military says there will be "tactical, local pauses for humanitarian aid"... but "no ceasefire"

Meanwhile, the Hamas-controlled health ministry in Gaza says Israel has carried out airstrikes on or near at least three hospitals.

Israel has confirmed its military is operating close to Al-Shifa, the biggest hospital in Gaza City.

Videos circulating on social media show what appears to be the aftermath of a missile or mortar striking the hospital courtyard.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuD-F5qJ4ws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3Git53XMl8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osvG7hWgIvc

[Exocet25fr]

Victims killed by the hamas :oops:

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-19/ty-article-magazine/israels-dead-the-names-of-those-killed-in-hamas-massacres-and-the-israel-hamas-war/0000018b-325c-d450-a3af-7b5cf0210000



Palestinian Children genocide with usa and occident complicity :oops:

https://www.google.fr/search?q=palestinian+children&sca_esv=581173241&hl=fr&gbv=2&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi-xvaSq7mCAxXJTaQEHUsVB30Q_AUIBigB&biw=1263&bih=924

[Skybird]

Palestinian Children genocide with usa and occident complicity :oops:

Credits go to Hamas.


Hamas said they are proud to sacrifice their people for the Hamas fat cats' cause who live a life in luxury in far away safe places.



Rooting out a cancer tumour is a bloody business. I have not heard any realistic working alternative plan so far. And please nobody now says "two states". I am already sceptical about the two states plan in the very long time perspective, but in the immediate, present time frame it is hilarious to assume it would be a workign "solution".


Palestinian Arabs could have had peace and a moderate wealth due to trade and labour relations with Israel since years. They always, at every opportunity, decided against that.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Lu5zI42-PU

[Exocet25fr]

Ho! :o I believed bibi doesn't want to occupe Gaza !?:D

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIArc99Fi7M

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu_oh9I2tJo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlvAWhmWDao

[Catfish]

Putin is a Gentleman [... blah]
He never was.

[Dargo]

Israel has revised downward the death toll from the Oct. 7 Hamas attack. The number has been lowered from some 1,400 to about 1,200, reports the Foreign Ministry. The adjustment was made after identification of the bodies. "This is the updated number," a ministry spokesman told AFP news agency. "This is due to the fact that a lot of bodies had not yet been identified. We now think those are from terrorists and not Israeli victims."

[vanjast]

Everybody.. please rewind your clocks to 2016, and start again here.
https://amg-news.com/category/guantanamo-bay/

Sooner or later, you will see the 'light'.
:up:

[Dargo]

Everybody.. please rewind your clocks to 2016, and start again here.
https://amg-news.com/category/guantanamo-bay/

Sooner or later, you will see the 'light'.
:up:Never!

[Jimbuna]

A surgeon at Gaza's largest hospital, Al-Shifa, says the facility has run out of water, food and electricity - and that the intensive care unit has been hit.

The Israeli military has repeatedly accused Hamas of operating from tunnels underneath the medical facility, which Hamas denies.

A spokesman said the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) does not fire on hospitals - but "we’ll do what we need to" if its enemy shoots from such locations.

Three other major hospitals in the Gaza Strip are also now on the front line of Israel's ground invasion.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-67385263

France's President Macron has told the BBC that Israel must stop killing civilians in Gaza - but the Israeli PM says leaders should condemn Hamas, not Israel.

Then what? Follow in the finest French tradition and surrender?

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smFQy7yN2Zg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHVweBZxGnU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EqeyZDjTVY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PGWUR5GHsE

[Skybird]

https://www.nzz.ch/wissenschaft/psychologie-des-terrors-tagsueber-hackte-er-koepfe-ab-abends-sorgte-er-sich-um-seine-kranken-kinder-ld.1763311?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp


Psychology of Terror: “During the day he chopped off heads. In the evenings he worried about his sick children." What goes on in the minds of terrorists? Jan Ilhan Kizilhan treats both Islamists and their severely traumatized victims. People can simply switch off their empathy, he says, and their religious background determines whether they do so.

[mapuc]

https://www.nzz.ch/wissenschaft/psychologie-des-terrors-tagsueber-hackte-er-koepfe-ab-abends-sorgte-er-sich-um-seine-kranken-kinder-ld.1763311?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp


Psychology of Terror: “During the day he chopped off heads. In the evenings he worried about his sick children." What goes on in the minds of terrorists? Jan Ilhan Kizilhan treats both Islamists and their severely traumatized victims. People can simply switch off their empathy, he says, and their religious background determines whether they do so.

Your comment made me recall a documentary on this subject
I had to look it up to find the words I wanted.

It was about neurotheology

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_of_religion

Markus

[Jimbuna]

The Israeli military says it has agreed to help evacuate babies from Gaza's Al-Shifa hospital to a "safer" facility.

The BBC has been sent pictures of at least 20 newborn babies being kept in a surgical theatre at the site.

A doctors' group says two premature babies have died because of a lack of electricity at Al-Shifa; a surgeon earlier said the facility had run out of water, food and power.

The Israeli military has denied accusations it's attacked Al-Shifa - Gaza's largest hospital - but has acknowledged clashes with Hamas fighters in the area.

It has repeatedly accused Hamas of operating from tunnels underneath the hospital, which its enemy denies.

The charity Doctors Without Borders (MSF) says hospitals in the Gaza Strip more widely have been under "relentless bombardment" for the last 24 hours.

[Skybird]

Your comment made me recall a documentary on this subject
I had to look it up to find the words I wanted.

It was about neurotheology

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_of_religion

Markus
Interesting. I had never heared of this term, neurotheology, although I was busy in the matter.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOqf2xO_GMY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg4AymTj4_4

[Armistead]

I could be wrong and I'm sure some protesters care about the loss of civilian life, but I think the far left's last decade embracement of Islam is because both are anti-West. Europe may be different with its mass migration of Muslims from the ME and Africa. It seems easy to prove when you look at all the Islamic civil wars going on. In Syria and Yemen alone close to a million dead, mostly civilians, including 50,000 children. Not one major protest of all these children dying because it's Muslim killing Muslim and doesn't fit the anti West narrative. Virtually all the ME stays in civil war and I get the West has played a role in making a mess out of it, but who knows, the outcome may have been worse. More recent, Turkey vs Kurds, 50 Islamic groups fighting in Syria; Lebanon divided rule; radicals trying to overthrow the Pakistani govt; recent ISIS rampage; Jordan's battle with the Muslim Brotherhood; Saudis vs Iran back extremist in Yemen; Taliban back to executing 1000's; the Palestinians themselves went at it and divided in rule between Hamas and Fatah; Islamic violence up 50% in Africa with a mass of Islamic groups fighting each other and everyone else for rule. If Israel walked out and gave up all the land in a matter of months it would be another Islamic civil war for rule. Where are the protest for all loss and destruction in these Islamic civil wars if people care about children? Hamas declared a permanent war against Israel until it's totally destroyed and what do these protesters do, join in chanting "from the river to the sea", promoting another genocide of the Jews. Strange bedfellows with the left that embraces Islam/Hamas when Islam is virtually against anything the woke left believes in, so it must just be if you're the enemy of my enemy, you become my friend.

[Aktungbby]

/\...don't overlook the lack of protest from moslem nations against mighty China's oppression against their Islamic Hui and Uyrghar citizens...imho, it tends to make me think the Palestinian fiasco is merely the Panda bear cause of the moment.

[Dargo]

In the 1960s, "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" first sounded. The cry was supposedly coined by the Palestinian diaspora abroad and quickly became popular within the nationalist Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). It refers to the area between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea, an area that has been referred to as Palestine since ancient times. When the British took power there from the Ottoman Empire after World War I, Palestine was a multi-ethnic and multi-religious area. 'From the river to the sea' expressed a desire to return to that situation, that is, to the pre-1948 borders, when Israel had not yet been founded as a Jewish state. In the democratic Palestine envisioned at the time by the PLO, Muslims, Jews and other religions could live together peacefully. Later, the slogan was adopted by Hamas, the Palestinian organization seeking an Islamic Palestine. Many Israelis and Jews therefore equate the slogan with support for Hamas and anti-Semitism. They perceive it as a call to violence, or even genocide.

[mapuc]

In the 1960s, "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" first sounded. The cry was supposedly coined by the Palestinian diaspora abroad and quickly became popular within the nationalist Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). It refers to the area between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea, an area that has been referred to as Palestine since ancient times. When the British took power there from the Ottoman Empire after World War I, Palestine was a multi-ethnic and multi-religious area. 'From the river to the sea' expressed a desire to return to that situation, that is, to the pre-1948 borders, when Israel had not yet been founded as a Jewish state. In the democratic Palestine envisioned at the time by the PLO, Muslims, Jews and other religions could live together peacefully. Later, the slogan was adopted by Hamas, the Palestinian organization seeking an Islamic Palestine. Many Israelis and Jews therefore equate the slogan with support for Hamas and anti-Semitism. They perceive it as a call to violence, or even genocide.

Live together peacefully..No doubt it was so, then the question is when did it go all wrong ?

Markus

[Jimbuna]

The World Health Organization (WHO) says it has lost communication with its contacts at Gaza's main hospital, Al-Shifa.

The WHO says it has "grave concerns" for the safety of staff and patients there who have become trapped by fighting around the hospital.

The BBC has been sent pictures of at least 20 newborn babies being kept in a surgical theatre at the site.

The Israeli military says it has agreed to help evacuate babies from the hospital to a "safer" facility but denies Al-Shifa has lost power.

Israel's president Isaac Herzog says Hamas has its base underneath the building - something Hamas denies. The Israeli military says it is not hitting the hospital during fighting.

Gaza's second biggest hospital, Al-Quds, is also reported by a charity to have run out of fuel.

[Dargo]

If the Muslim autocrats cared about Palestinians they would offer them a place to go while Hamas is defeated. But they don't care about the people. They came together in Riyadh to hold hands with Assad. Hands covered with the blood and tears of his own Muslim people. Democracy's what Palestinians need. Autocrats need an enemy to justify oppression of their own people who who remain docile under a foolish belief they're supporting Palestinian rights when, in fact, they're surrendering their own rights to their autocratic dictator. Turkey turned Hamas into ISIS 2.0 and all these autocrats just joined it. Iran wants to take the lead in war on the US. Let's give them a gift. Not a war but a revolution. De-list PKK & PJAK and give them support to liberate Rojhilatê Kurdistan from the monsters in Qom. Backed by the US, many Iranians will rise up to take back their democracy. Never give an adversary what they expect. Give them what they fear. It's democracy that insures peace. Without it, war, destruction and death are inevitable. And democracy will save the Palestinians. https://twitter.com/TimInHonolulu/status/1723717401358032957

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq7A412Ksxg

[Dargo]

Live together peacefully..No doubt it was so, then the question is when did it go all wrong ?

MarkusWhen Bibi gave Hamas greenlight to take power in Gaza to weaken the Palestine authorities, zealots and religion.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReK8ZjVbS9o