Strike on North Korea

[Jimbuna]

I CANNOT BELIVE FAT BOY WILL NOT BE ARRESTED AS SOON AS HE TOUCHES DOWN IN SINGAPORE, TECHNICALLY A CITY STATE- FOR THE MURDER OF HIS HALF-BROTHER IN NEIGHBORING MALAYSIA...IT'S SIMPLER TO CONVICT TWO FEMALE 'DUPES' FOR THE CRIME??

Now that I would like to see happen but I suspect he'll already have some form of guarantee aginst that happening.

[Skybird]

Now that I would like to see happen but I suspect he'll already have some form of guarantee aginst that happening.
His nukes, or some similiar thread. Any other "guarantee" is only ink on a sheet of paper. It guarantees nothing.


The guarantee lies in the ability to do, no matter what - not in the hope to be allowed.

[Jimbuna]

His nukes, or some similiar thread. Any other "guarantee" is only ink on a sheet of paper. It guarantees nothing.


The guarantee lies in the ability to do, no matter what - not in the hope to be allowed.

Maybe or maybe not but I doubt he is stupid enough not to have prepared some kinds of safeguards but as I've already stated, 'I would like to see that happen'.

[Catfish]

Trump receives his big letter. [...]

His hands are really tiny, compared to that paper.

[Jimbuna]

His hands are really tiny, compared to that paper.

Wel if I'm to be totally honest, when I first viewed the picture I thought they both looked like waxwork models :03:

[Mr Quatro]

Wel if I'm to be totally honest,

Does this mean that sometimes you are not honest :o

[Jimbuna]

Does this mean that sometimes you are not honest :o

Often

https://i.imgur.com/w7PygcI.gif

https://i.imgur.com/6bdU8ej.gif

[Aktungbby]

Now that I would like to see happen but I suspect he'll already have some form of guarantee aginst that happening.
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[Rockstar]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/MunichAgreement.jpg/330px-MunichAgreement.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MunichAgreement.jpg)< I WAS THINKING OF TRUMP UTTERING 'PEACE IN OUR TIME' MYSELF I CANNOT BELIVE FAT BOY WILL NOT BE ARRESTED AS SOON AS HE TOUCHES DOWN IN SINGAPORE, TECHNICALLY A CITY STATE- FOR THE MURDER OF HIS HALF-BROTHER IN NEIGHBORING MALAYSIA...IT'S SIMPLER TO CONVICT TWO FEMALE 'DUPES' FOR THE CRIME?? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Kim_Jong-nam (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Kim_Jong-nam)


They already caught the perpetrator on video. Case closed ;)

[Mr Quatro]

It's all talk without proof NK has given up it's nuclear arsenal and exit the big boys toys area.

This article says it would take years to prove and an almost impossible task too. :yep:

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-pol-norkor-disarm-20180531-story.html

At this point, not enough nuclear experts may exist to visit the hundreds of buildings, track down the voluminous records and conduct the comprehensive inspections required to verify compliance. Nothing approaching such a sweeping agreement with a closed police state like North Korea has been attempted in the history of nuclear disarmament.


One side note: I heard that Kim Jung-uh wants the US to pay for his visit to Singapore and stay in a $6,000 a day hotel room. :o

[mapuc]

OK, so now even The Syrian leader Assad wants to meet KJU.

Looks like KJU is the popular guy in the world of politics, which everyone like to meet.

Markus

[Skybird]

He does not want to meet him, but he must, if he wants Korean missile technology and nuke technology that Russia does not deliver.

[Jimbuna]

RUSSIA'S Vladimir Putin has invited North Korea's dictator Kim Jong-un to visit his country, despite having no plans to meet US President Donald Trump amid simmering tensions between Moscow and Washington.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/969130/russia-news-north-korea-summit-trump-vladimir-putin-kim-jong-un-latest-news

NEXT!!

[mapuc]

What's going on ??

Markus

[Jimbuna]

My guess would be that those who oppose the US see her pretty much weakened on the world stage and the ongoing political situation within and are taking their opportunity to add to the mayhem/chaos as perceived by them.

[Rockstar]

Slim kim, Assad, Putin all birds of a feather. Its not like North Korea developed their weapons without help . And there are links which suggest North Korea had a hand in Syrian chemical weapons development. Maybe they are concerned what tales he may tell.

[vienna]

My guess would be that those who oppose the US see her pretty much weakened on the world stage and the ongoing political situation within and are taking their opportunity to add to the mayhem/chaos as perceived by them.


Sounds about right to me. RUS and CHN are fully taking advantage of the domestic and international mess the US has gotten itself into under Rump and are reaping benefits they didn't hope to get under previous administrations; Assad, Kim, Iran, and others are tagging along with the two bigger powers, like remora on sharks. As the Rump administration flails about with its throw everything at the wall approach and no cohesive policies, other nations who feel they may be left in the lurch by the current US situation may be increasingly turning to RUS and CHN if only as a means of securing some semblance of stability in their own economies; its a deal wit the devil, but when the angel is spiraling downward out of control, they can either follow that spiral or save themselves...






















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[Rockstar]

My guess would be that those who oppose the US see her pretty much weakened on the world stage and the ongoing political situation within and are taking their opportunity to add to the mayhem/chaos as perceived by them.

Don't worry about what those one trick ponies always go on about.

The US remains committed to ensuring free and open transit in the Indo-Pacific region, which is beset by overlapping claims from China and several of its neighbors including India, Vietnam and the Philippines.

After 65 years of hostilities there is planned a summit between the leaders of North Korea and the United States. If it doesn't happen or if nothing evolves from it we will still remain committed to South Korea. Personally I think we may be seeing Assad and Putin sweat a little bit.

As a member of NATO, the U.S. through the Atlantic Resolve demonstrates its commitment to the security of NATO allies. Poland invited us to permanently station a brigade over there. Which I'm sure Germans who, having an innate fear of Russia and us leaving NATO will be glad to hear.

We backed out of the JCPOA for a reason. It failed to turn down the heat on a wide range of conflicts. Many of which began in earnest after the Iran deal lifted sanctions on Iran. Iran proxies have been escalating conflicts in Yemen, Syria, and Saudi Arabia. Unfortunately Europe thinks its a bad idea to back out of the JCPOA because that would mean the dove of peace and tranquility wouldn't have a chance to bear fruit. LOL not really if they backed out it would mean they cant do business and profit with terrorist states. And some think our image is bad?

[Mr Quatro]

http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/world/2018/06/11/kim-jong-un-travels-in-chinese-charter-plane-to-singapore-brings-portable-toilet-reports-say/_jcr_content/article-text/article-par-14/inline_spotlight_ima/image.img.jpg/612/344/1528725171939.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

Guess who's limo this is?

“Rather than using a public restroom, the leader of North Korea has a personal toilet that follows him around when he travels,” Lee said. “The leader’s excretions contain information about his health status so they can’t be left behind.”

[Von Due]

http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/world/2018/06/11/kim-jong-un-travels-in-chinese-charter-plane-to-singapore-brings-portable-toilet-reports-say/_jcr_content/article-text/article-par-14/inline_spotlight_ima/image.img.jpg/612/344/1528725171939.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

Guess who's limo this is?

Soooo... a good reason then not to be invited to hitch a ride in his limo. "How do you like these seats? Made in China, you know, finest quality... mind my potty there".

[em2nought]

“Rather than using a public restroom, the leader of North Korea has a personal toilet that follows him around when he travels,” Lee said. “The leader’s excretions contain information about his health status so they can’t be left behind.”


Maybe Rocket Man has worms too! :har:

[Jimbuna]

Soooo... a good reason then not to be invited to hitch a ride in his limo. "How do you like these seats? Made in China, you know, finest quality... mind my potty there".

:haha:

[mapuc]

Can this be true ?

Yesterday I read in a comment saying

In fact it is China Mr. Trump is negotiating with, NK is a, what did he call it ?
China's backyard.

And I who thought that NK was a sovereign state and China was their best allied/their big brother.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Can this be true ?

Yesterday I read in a comment saying

In fact it is China Mr. Trump is negotiating with, NK is a, what did he call it ?
China's backyard.

And I who thought that NK was a sovereign state and China was their best allied/their big brother.

Markus

China may well be behind the scenes yanking the NK puppet strings but to all intents and purposes it is direct negotiations between NK and the US.

[Skybird]

I woul.d not have imagined that they would indeed meet - but then, that wa sbecasue I do not imagine one moment that NK wouilöd ever give up their nukes. So, they now meet for only one of two possible rteasons: either due to a massive misunderstanding by Donald who seriously thinks he could talk them out of the valley of nukes, or because he wants to come to deal by accepting NK as s nuclear major power now. The first reason I had not on my radar, the second I did not imagine to be possible.



Anyhow, the winner already now is Kim. Its an immense gain in reputation and a big victory for his propaganda machine. Without giving up any of his nukey ambitions.



Of course they will wrap it all in kind, candy-sweet wordings. I dont care for the gift wrapping, what I see is a poisoned gambit pawn handed over as a present. And Trump took it.


Okay Donald, I want to see the plan behgind the gambit - show me where my reasoning is wrong. :arrgh!:


I hate being offered gambits in chess.

[Reece]

Well the summit started off well, I suppose half the world will be watching this!! The sound is rather poor though and I find it hard to understand.
Almost time for the second meeting!:yep:

[HerrRitter]

I read the President's 1997 book The Art of the Comeback. This is why I voted for him ...


Kim's nukes do not make his country, or himself, safer. They have the opposite effect. An attack by North Korea on the United States or one of its allies would result in the annihilation of Kim and his country. Also, his nuclear capacity is not a deterrent to war. It is a threat that could be easily dealt with. More than anything else, this is why he wants to deal.


Especially, with his people dying of starvation, the Chinese cooperating with the US by not importing North Korean coal, Kim has to see the "handwriting on the wall", as it were. Deal, or die.

[em2nought]

Hopefully, while alone with Rocket Man, Trump pulled a fast one on Bolton and offered Rocket Man all US troops leaving Korea in exchange for North Korean nuclear disarmament with our promise to also never return in exchange for their promise to not pursue or sell nukes or anything associated with them ever. :03:


Take that Military Industrial Complex, Ike was right!


Japan and South Korea we've put you where you are, now stand on your own two feet. Particularly Japan, we could have ended you for good, so I think we've been pretty generous all these years.

[THE_MASK]

Bizarre love fest .

[Reece]

Isn't it though!:D

[Gargamel]

Did nobody else notice that NK pulled a 180 on the rhetoric and willingness to talk after their nuclear test site collapsed?


With their ability to make better bombs, which they would want to test, gone, they are pulling the wool over trump's eyes here. They are going to agree to give up something they have already lost, in return for easing of sanctions and such.



And I'm just now reading that Trump has agreed to stop war gaming with the South, and pull our troops backs and bring them home. Wonder how our close ally will feel about that.


He seems to have made his presidency about kowtowing to the countries we consider adversaries, while going out of his way to piss off our allies.



How the hell do you piss off Canada!?!?

[THE_MASK]

A whole heap of nuthin with a bizarre video thrown in .

[Skybird]

Kim's nukes do not make his country, or himself, safer. They have the opposite effect. An attack by North Korea on the United States or one of its allies would result in the annihilation of Kim and his country.


Fundamental thinking error, it is very common, nevertheless wrong: who do you think have more to lose in a nuclear excnage: poor, underdeveloped North Korea, or rich, overbuild USA...? ;)


Destroying Pyongyan is one thing. Destroying the economical power house of Los Angeles is something very different.



Its like with the trade war between the uS and the EU: the side which has a trade surplus in goods and services, will lose it. Because it has more at stake.

[Jimbuna]

He seems to have made his presidency about kowtowing to the countries we consider adversaries, while going out of his way to piss off our allies.


Pretty much how I see it :yep:

Trump Kim summit: Full text of the signed statement...

Joint Statement of President Donald J. Trump of the United States of America and Chairman Kim Jong Un of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea at the Singapore Summit.

President Donald J. Trump of the United States of America and Chairman Kim Jong Un of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) held a first, historic summit in Singapore on June 12, 2018.

President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un conducted a comprehensive, in-depth and sincere exchange of opinions on the issues related to the establishment of new US-DPRK relations and the building of a lasting and robust peace regime on the Korean Peninsula. President Trump committed to provide security guarantees to the DPRK, and Chairman Kim Jong Un reaffirmed his firm and unwavering commitment to complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

Convinced that the establishment of new US-DPRK relations will contribute to the peace and prosperity of the Korean Peninsula and of the world, and recognizing that mutual confidence building can promote the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un state the following:

1. The United States and the DPRK commit to establish new US-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity.

2. The United States and DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula.

3. Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

4. The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains, including the immediate repatriation of those already identified.

Having acknowledged that the US-DPRK summit - the first in history - was an epochal event of great significance in overcoming decades of tensions and hostilities between the two countries and for the opening up of a new future, President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un commit to implement the stipulations in the joint statement fully and expeditiously.

The United States and the DPRK commit to hold follow-on negotiations, led by the US Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, and a relevant high-level DPRK official, at the earliest possible date, to implement the outcomes of the US-DPRK summit.

President Donald J. Trump of the United States of America and Chairman Kim Jong Un of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea have committed to cooperate for the development of new US-DPRK relations and for the promotion of peace, prosperity, and the security of the Korean Peninsula and of the world.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44453330

[Mr Quatro]

Did nobody else notice that NK pulled a 180 on the rhetoric and willingness to talk after their nuclear test site collapsed?

North Korea should allow us to inspect that test site for radiation. Something caused a problem there that led to this willingness to stop the testing.


How the hell do you piss off Canada!?!?

So far it's just their leader ... it could get a lot worse. Trump won't back down and apologize that's for sure.

[JU_88]

Wasn't there a rumor floating about that Kim might just be doing this because NK is on the road to bankruptcy around October? mind you, we hear things like that all the time.

[Jimbuna]

^ That and the fact it is what China have demanded of him.

[em2nought]

So far it's just their leader ... it could get a lot worse.


Haha :har:

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BZWUzZWNiMmEtMzlkZi00NTI0LTkwN2MtMDIzYTk0OTAyYW VhXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMjI4MjA5MzA@._V1_.jpg

[Skybird]

Two supersized XXXXL-egos used lots of hot air to ping-pong it back and forth between them. In substance, nothign happened. A typical casino show - shallow, meaningless, short-lived, designed to paralyse the mind.

One hook in it, however. The Donald said that military exercises of the US will stop in the region. SKoreas got surprised by this, it seems. So was Japan. Both are concerned. And the world asks what American guarantees - especially security guarantees - will be worth anymore ( I do not give much for them anymore since many years, so this I cannot blame on the Donald alone...). Obama alienated the Middle East - Trump now takes care of Europe and the Far East. Team play.

And Kim? Had to give nothing to nevertheless get the stage, get the prestige, get the recognition, and to get the word on an end of manouvers. Taking a free ride. He had to give nothing for it. Rien. Nada. Nix. Gar nix.

Big deal maker? Big bluffer? Donny...? A gambit that loses you a pawn and you get no compensating advantage for it, is no gambit: it simply is a mistake.

Bid Donald will consume plenty of soap in the coming days in his attempt to clean off the blood from the many handshakes with Kim. Or he sprays just golden colour onto it - once a blender, always a blender. After all, while the big leader collected his PR jackpot, his people in NorthKorea were still suffering, and the many kills in Kim's record book also will not vanish all by themselves. How does you feel now while the world saw you shaking hands with a murderer and psychopathic criminal, Donald? As I just said - you got nothing in return for that.

You got nothing in return for embarrassing yourself.

[Jimbuna]

And Kim? Had to give nothing to get the stage, to get the prestige, to get the recognition, and to get the word on an end of manouvers.




A free meal, don't forget the free meal :03:

[Skybird]

The only way it makes sense is to see it like this: that Trump wants to leave the region all to China and wants the US to completely withdraw and pull out: Korea, Japan, Phillippines, everywhere. Isolationism. If you base on the assumption that this might be the goal, the day today was the first preparatory step, and it is quite reasonable and makes sense for supporting that changed strategy indeed.

Whether the whole strategy would make sense, is somethign different. In chess I would call it: throwing the pieces off the table and breaking the board on the referee's head. It does not win you the match and does not keep you in the tournament, but it is a big boost to your impulsive ego.

Excactly what Trump favours.

[Mr Quatro]

Look at all the money the USA will save by not going to war or even planning on going to war in that part of the world?

Plus 28,000 servicemen in NK for 60 + years coming home would save even more dough.

By the way why did they call WWI men doughboys?

[Skybird]

Yes, the money&debt argument was on my mind, too, and is so like long time. The military leviathan of theirs even the US cannot really afford - if debts and affordability would still have a meaning. Unfortunately, that is not the case anymore. This leviathan is financed on tick only. And I wonder whether it really makes a difference for the final outcome anymore whether the US saves a little on its military or not - with that heap of debts they have (and most others as well).

Also, the US economy is closer associated with military and arms production than any other in the industrialised world. After WWII, it never was toned back to pre-war peace-time standard. If the US shrinks its military, sooner or later the call would come up to save on it, and that would have a backslash for the war-goods-driven economy.

If the paper money regiment still soldiers on that long. So far, all earlier paper money regimes collapsed and broke down. All of them.

[Aktungbby]

By the way why did they call WWI men doughboys?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doughboy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doughboy)
:k_confused:

[em2nought]

Yes, the money&debt argument was on my mind, too, and is so like long time. The military leviathan of theirs even the US cannot really afford - if debts and affordability would still have a meaning. Unfortunately, that is not the case anymore. This leviathan is financed on tick only. And I wonder whether it really makes a difference for the final outcome anymore whether the US saves a little on its military or not - with that heap of debts they have (and most others as well).

Also, the US economy is closer associated with military and arms production than any other in the industrialised world. After WWII, it never was toned back to pre-war peace-time standard. If the US shrinks its military, sooner or later the call would come up to save on it, and that would have a backslash for the war-goods-driven economy.

If the paper money regiment still soldiers on that long. So far, all earlier paper money regimes collapsed and broke down. All of them.


No need to cut those troops for now. Trump can do an end run around all the democrats, and just send those troops from the DMZ to the US southern border and build/garrison the wall. :yeah:

[mapuc]

Small steps my friends. Small steps.

From hearing and reading all the news before and after this meeting.
I get the feeling the political expert and the commentator was awaiting they(Trump and KJU) would fall in love and like in American Western, kiss.. and NK would the day after be a free democratic country.

Of course I could have misunderstood this.

That's why I wrote in the start Small steps my friends.

The meeting itself was a major historical breakthrough.

Hopefully it will be the first of many meetings.

Hopefully it will mean more freedom to the North Korean people
(this is one of my highest hope)

Markus

[Skybird]

There were two US presidentsin the past 25 years who reached signed agreements with NK on nuclear disarmament, with concrete objects and conditions described. NK broke them all.

Now there is another loose agreement - without any substantial conditions and objects described, both sides do not even agree on terminology (what is "denuclearization" specifically now?). And this now should be the beginning of something?

You know the proverb "finders, keepers". I now invent another one: "blenders, smilers". I am certain that the Donald went home beign full of himself and being perfectly satisfied. He probbaly already dreams of getting the peace Nobel prize. Why not, after Obama'S precedence.

Hm. Make it three peace Nobel prizes. I think the Donald does not do it for anything less. With his name of the Oslo list, he then would even have made the Nobel prize winner list great again. :shucks:

[Bilge_Rat]

oh man, the Trump haters are really going off the deep end now, why am I not surprised...

Kim has committed to giving up ALL of his nuclear weapons while Trump has not agreed to give up anything at all.

This is just a statement of principle, now comes the hard part of working out the details.

If it turns out in 3,6,12 months that NK is just playing for time, then the military exercises and the sanctions will get slapped back on big time.

This is a great deal for our side, all the pressure is on Kim boy to live up to his engagement.

[Skybird]

oh man, the Trump haters are really going off the deep end now, why am I not surprised...

Kim has committed to giving up ALL of his nuclear weapons

When, where? Show me, black on white.

You u-turn the situation completely. Kim got what he wanted, a great PR gig. Trump sells empty hands and empty words as a big success. Lip confessions, and not even an agreement on what "denuclearization" should mean, what it includes, no timetable, no means of control, nothing, rien, nada, nichts.

Kim never ever has said anywhere he is willing to give up nuclear wepaons.

You fall for the pied piper's tune.

North Korea will not give up their nuclear weapons. Live with it. They would be stupid to do so, after the Donald showed repeatedly what he thiunks of treaties and guarantees (=nothing), and after the US dealt with Libya's Gaddafi who was dumb enough to be talked by his son into handing the program's technical components over (they were taken over and moved out of Libya by a special US operation ) for nothing but some words and a warm handshake.

The best securiyt guarantee that the uS will not strike at you is - to have nuclear weapons. And you think Kim agreed to give up his life insurrance up?

Really? Do you...???:haha:

You maybe also believe that Iran has given up intentions to aquire the bomb, or not? :har: That Iran that the Donald does sanction, mind you...

[Rockstar]

I don't think anything is going to happen over night because of this summit. Even if something were signed and agreed too there is always that concern of North Korea's long history of repeatedly reneging on its promises and agreements with others.

But it seems right now everything came together here. We have a president that put high stress in the region. Didn't give a ratz arse what his critics thought of it either. And it certainly gave everyone in the region a sense of urgency to come together for a kumbaya moment .

Then there's Slim Kim who unlike his fathers, has been educated in Switzerland and has witnessed first hand the immense prosperity of the west. If I were a betting man that alone will be the deciding factor for the hermit to come out of its shell and move ever so slowly and cautiously forward from the summit.


Then again it may all crumble before it even starts. :haha:

[Skybird]

And still, already Kim's grand father proclaimed the long term strategy of Korean military strength AND economic wealth.



I stick to it, the third Kim will not give up the first just for the latter. Its still both he is after.


Flowerkids int he West hear what they want to hear. Like with Iran.


ands because Kim was educate din the West in parts, he also knows that he will lose contorl mover his people at home if he allows too much wleath and Wetsenr influence intot he country - becasue then Northklorean heads in the working class will suddenly perceive that there is a world beyond the great beloved leader's lips commanding them. Look at Kim biography of murder and assassination, tporture and state terror. He will not let that happen.

[mapuc]

I fear Skybird may have some points here.

What if KJU makes a 180 degrees turn when his money chest is once again filled.

I also think KJU will not give up his nuclear weapons.

Hopefully I will be wrong.

Markus

[Bilge_Rat]

When, where? Show me, black on white.


google is your friend:

Convinced that the establishment of new US-DPRK relations will contribute to the peace and prosperity of the Korean peninsula and of the world, and recognizing that mutual confidence building can promote the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un state the following:

The United States and the DPRK commit to establish new US-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity

The United States and the DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula

Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula

The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains, including the immediate repatriation of those already identified.

[Rockstar]

Reading some defectors thoughts on the matter. Many say the Kim regime has some serious internal problems. There is instability due to famine, infant mortality rates, sanctions, aging population, crashed economy, energy shortages, poor health of its citizens, lack of work force, a younger generation that is not as gullible as their parents, and instant information technology.

Seems to me Slim Kim has no choice. Remain a hermit kingdom and Id say his regime would collapse sooner rather than later. But that collapse might bring about uncontroled instability something China doesn't want and I don't think we do either.

Invite Slim Kim to the world stage shine him on tell him he's the best Kim and roll out the red carpet! He gladly takes center stage only then finds out about the pressure that stage brings with it. Slow changes in North Korea will still bring about regime change. Either way the Kim dynasty is probably on its way out though later rather than sooner. Only problem is that ace up his sleeve, those nukes.

[Skybird]

Bilge Rat, you are aware that it gets reported all the time that the US and NK seem to have two totally different understandings of what "denuclearization" should mean, yes? It could mean all and nothing. It has been critized since weeks that neither side seem to have been able to clearly define what that term should mean. Civilian use. Refining uranium. Missile technology of medium or long range. Nuclear weapons. Anything could be meant, and nothing. If Kim wanted to suggest the removing of his nuclear weapons, why has he not said that: "removing my (our) nuclear weapons"? In not one official Korean transcript of the past negotiations, it was reported, the expclit mentioning of removing nuclear weapons and removing Korean ability to produce them has been mentioned. Nowhere.

Heck, I even have not heard of the term "denuclearization" before... Does that include x-rays at the dentist? Its just shelling with propaganda slogans.

Take me by my word, Bilge Rat. What you read into the term - removing Korean nuclear weapon and the technology to build them - will not happen. And Trump will not even press for it. You allow getting sand strayed in your eyes.



And more chamberlainitis major spreading, it seems. It really turned into a global epidemic recently. Or is it a single case of trumpia victor alucinatio? :)

[Reece]

Well I for one hope something good will come from all this, I say give Trump some time to make this work, I'm not ready to throw him to the wolves just yet!:yep:

[Mr Quatro]

Well I for one hope something good will come from all this, I say give Trump some time to make this work, I'm not ready to throw him to the wolves just yet!:yep:

Right on Reece :up: Give the guy a chance ... no progress no removal of sanctions :yep:

[Aktungbby]

SO MUCH FOR DENUCLEARIZATION: WSJ[/B]] North Korea is thought to be developing a new submarine capable of launching nuclear-armed ballistic missiles, a senior South Korean lawmaker said, signaling an increased threat to U.S. and allied forces while raising doubts about the regime’s pledges to disarm (https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-suggests-singapore-summit-ended-north-korea-nuclear-threat-1528895717?mod=article_inline).
Evidence gathered by South Korea’s military suggests Pyongyang is working on the submarine on its east coast, said Kim Hack-yong, who chaired the legislature’s defense committee until his term ended a few weeks ago. Mr. Kim, who belongs to a conservative opposition party that is skeptical of dialogue with Pyongyang, cited intelligence provided last week by defense officials.
Satellite imagery reviewed by South Korean intelligence officials showed the movement of laborers and materials at the port of Sinpo, where the submarine appears to be under construction at an indoor facility, an aide to Mr. Kim said.
A Defense Ministry spokesman said he couldn’t comment on details pertaining to intelligence activities but stressed that Seoul and Washington continue to monitor North Korea’s military facilities.
North Korea’s submarine-launched ballistic missile program was first publicized in 2014. North Korea is believed to have undertaken four to six test launches of its SLBM model known as the KN 11. The test firing of a missile in 2016 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/north-korea-shows-progress-with-fresh-missile-test-1472001253?mod=article_inline) that traveled 300 miles signaled that the program was progressing.> https://images.wsj.net/im-17105?width=620&aspect_ratio=1.5

U.S. officials consider the program a threat because such missiles are harder to identify and destroy before launch, potentially giving North Korea a greater element of surprise in an attack. The U.S. Embassy in Seoul couldn’t immediately comment.
As Secretary of State Mike Pompeo visits Pyongyang (https://www.wsj.com/articles/pompeo-heads-back-to-north-korea-1530816738?mod=article_inline), North Korean weapons developments have raised questions about North Korean leader Kim Jong Un’s commitment to denuclearize following his agreement with President Donald Trump in Singapore last month. Their joint statement lacked specifics, leaving the regime wiggle room as to what exactly constitutes denuclearization (https://www.wsj.com/articles/denuclearization-means-different-things-to-kim-and-trump-north-korean-defector-says-1526298955?mod=article_inline).
In Pyongyang on Friday, Mr. Pompeo was expected to press North Korean officials (https://www.wsj.com/articles/pompeo-to-visit-north-korea-again-with-a-view-toward-denuclearization-1530569900?mod=article_inline) for concrete steps to deliver on those pledges, such as a timeline for disarmament.
In recent days, though, satellite images have indicated North Korea is expanding a missile-production facility (https://www.wsj.com/articles/north-korea-expands-key-missile-manufacturing-plant-1530486907?mod=article_inline) and erecting a new building at one of its plutonium-producing reactors (https://www.wsj.com/articles/north-korea-still-building-at-nuclear-research-facility-despite-summit-diplomacy-1530100351?mod=article_inline&mod=article_inline).
North Korea also appears to be preparing for its annual summer military exercises and hasn’t ceased sending orders to its spies in South Korea through coded messages, said Mr. Kim, the lawmaker.
The latest evidence shows the need to maintain pressure on North Korea and force the regime to negotiate, said Yang Uk, the chief defense analyst at Korea Defense and Security Forum, a Seoul-based private think tank.
“It’s too early to say if the North Koreans have defaulted on the Singapore agreement to denuclearize,” he said. “But earlier satellite images have already shown enough evidence proving North Korea has not abandoned its SLBM program.”
Hwang Jin-ha, a retired South Korean Army lieutenant-general and the former chairman of the defense committee at the country’s legislature, said he believed the latest information to be credible. Mr. Hwang, a former lawmaker, belongs to the same party as Kim Hack-yong.
North Korea’s navy operates a fleet of about 70 submarines, alongside 430 surface combat ships, according to South Korea’s Defense Ministry. It also maintains 250 amphibious vessels and 20 minesweepers.
South Korea’s navy has about 10 submarines, according to the ministry. It maintains 110 surface combat ships and 10 amphibious vessels. Seoul, however, possesses advanced assets, including three Aegis-equipped warships able to intercept incoming ballistic missiles.
The North’s pursuit of nuclear weapons and intercontinental ballistic missiles has led to several rounds of sanctions (https://www.wsj.com/articles/pompeo-presses-u-s-case-on-north-korea-following-historic-summit-1528984923?mod=article_inline) against the regime and threats of U.S. military action from Mr. Trump.
But a detente has emerged this year, driven in large part by South Korean President Moon Jae-in, bringing the U.S. and North Korean leaders to their first meeting (https://www.wsj.com/articles/singapore-summit-pompeo-says-u-s-is-firm-in-commitment-to-north-korean-denuclearization-1528700650?mod=article_inline).
Mr. Kim, the third-generation dictator, has declared his nuclear force complete and said he wanted to focus on rebuilding his sanctions-strained economy.
After the Singapore summit, the U.S. and South Korea agreed to suspend military exercises (https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-south-korea-cancel-major-war-game-planned-for-august-1529369950?mod=article_inline) that had angered Pyongyang and that Mr. Trump had described as provocative and expensive.
The regime, meanwhile, agreed to return the remains of U.S. military personnel killed in the 1950-53 Korean War. That hasn’t happened; it wasn’t immediately clear whether Mr. Pompeo’s trip to Pyongyang would yield progress on that front. ALL RHETORIC AND PHOTO-POSED HANDSHAKES ASIDE; BUSINESS APPEARS AS USUAL UNTIL FATBOY GETS A NEW COMMAND FROM HIS CHINESE OVERLORD.....

[Jimbuna]

Is anyone actually surprised? :hmmm:

Wash, spin and repeat!!

[Mr Quatro]

Let them go broke ... Trump didn't remove the sanctions yet. If left unchecked five (5) years from now they could be cruising off the coast of California :o

[Aktungbby]

Is anyone actually surprised? :hmmm:

Wash, spin and repeat!! INDEED! THE LATAST INTHIS AM'S NEWS: U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on Sunday brushed aside North Korea's accusation of "gangster-like" demands, maintaining that his third visit to the country was producing results but vowing that sanctions would remain until Pyongyang follows through on leader Kim Jong Un's pledge to get rid of his nuclear weapons. Pompeo downplayed North Korea's statement after the talks in which the country's foreign ministry bashed hopes for a quick deal and accused the U.S. of making "gangster-like" demands aimed at forcing it to abandon nuclear weapons..."If those requests were gangster-like, the world is a gangster," Pompeo said, noting that numerous U.N. Security Council resolutions have demanded that the North rid itself of nuclear weapons and end its ballistic missile program. https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/pompeo-us-demands-gangster-like-then-the-world-is-a-gangster (https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/pompeo-us-demands-gangster-like-then-the-world-is-a-gangster) FATBOY CALLING US A GANGSTER IS ''HIGH PRAISE FROM CAESAR''!

[Jimbuna]

^^^^^ Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in most European countries.

[Aktungbby]

^FIXED; ORIGINAL LINK APPEARS TO HAVE GONE DEAD:shucks:

[Jimbuna]

"gangster-like" demands eh?

A bit rich coming from someone who has committed so many "gangster-like" killings.

[Aktungbby]

FATBOY CALLING US A GANGSTER IS HIGH PRAISE FROM CAESAR"gangster-like" demands eh?

A bit rich coming from someone who has committed so many "gangster-like" killings. PRECISELY! HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ARRESTED AT THE STATE VISIT IN SINGAPORE FOR THE ASSSINATION OF HIS OWN HALF-BROTHER. DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY...MY Aß! REVOKED! https://78.media.tumblr.com/b5fd40ba0a248ceaa76112af6191482c/tumblr_nmp95uilvK1tsuuvno1_250.gif (https://78.media.tumblr.com/3e9aa3f7e120442ab5971a39572fc3a7/tumblr_p000k8HKdG1uphxvgo3_500.gif) https://78.media.tumblr.com/c903792604eed701fc9f7fab4371077d/tumblr_nmp95uilvK1tsuuvno2_250.gif https://78.media.tumblr.com/5e813bacb8456b75c80ccf40225896db/tumblr_nmp95uilvK1tsuuvno4_250.gif

[ikalugin]

I heard that translation is more of "robber like" vs "gangster like" if that makes sense to you.


Also, seems plausible that DPRK and Ukraine shared research on the cruise missile project.

[Aktungbby]

http://www.cartoonistgroup.com/properties/danziger/art_images/cg5b4593bc05697.jpg (http://www.cartoonistgroup.com/store/add.php?iid=172838)

[Mr Quatro]

Perhaps North Korea has decided to go with submarine launched ICBM's instead of land targets ... I don't trust these dudes they're up to something :yep:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/north-korea-dismantling-key-parts-of-launch-site-reports_us_5b5719c1e4b0de86f49082a3

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — North Korea appears to have started dismantling key facilities at its main satellite launch site in a step toward fulfilling a commitment made by leader Kim Jong Un at his summit with President Donald Trump in June.

While Pyongyang could be trying to build trust with Washington as they engage in talks to resolve the nuclear standoff, analysts say dismantling a few facilities at the site alone wouldn’t realistically reduce North Korea’s military capability or represent a material step toward denuclearization. And they expressed concern that the work is being done without verification.

[August]

....a step toward fulfilling a commitment made by leader Kim Jong Un at his summit with President Donald Trump in June.


Impossible. According to the leftist media and their believers here in the forum Kim played Trump and won't even try to keep his promises

[Catfish]

Kim Yong Un is very unhappy about Trump visiting other dictators.

[Catfish]

Impossible. According to the leftist media and their believers here in the forum Kim played Trump and won't even try to keep his promises

Yes, that is exactly what will happen, whatever leftist or loony rightist or rabid media will publish. You completely misunderstand what Un said, or better you are delusional because you hear what you want to hear.
Good article (though not Trump's echo chamber Fox news):
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/12/trump-nuclear-north-korea-kim-jong-un

[Jimbuna]

Surprise surprise...

North Korea appears to be building new ballistic missiles despite recent warming ties with the Trump administration and pledges to denuclearise, reports say.

Unnamed US officials told the Washington Post that spy satellites had spotted continuing activity at a site that has produced ballistic missiles.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-45015343

[vienna]

But...but...but...


Unca Donald said the Big Bad Kim was not a threat anymore and we could all "sleep well":





Before taking office people were assuming that we were going to War with North Korea. President Obama said that North Korea was our biggest and most dangerous problem. No longer - sleep well tonight!


— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 13, 2018







Donald Dump got played like a cheap violin, just like I said he would...













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[Platapus]

I guess liars never think that other people will lie to them?

[vienna]

I don't know about that. Trump seems to be under the impression two wrongs always make a right...














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[August]

Surprise surprise...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-45015343


"Unnamed US officials told the Washington Post"


:roll:

[Jimbuna]

On a more positive note...but there's that 'US official' again.

North Korea has returned 55 boxes believed to contain the remains of US troops killed during the Korean War, but included just one military identification tag, US officials say.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45028879

[mapuc]

Knowing Mr. Trump is a bit openminded and like to Tweet

I have the feeling, that we in a near future will see a tweet where Mr. Trump write things like

"(Nickname for KJU) have shown his real face, he can't be trusted. Have given my generals/officer order to prepare for a preemptive strike against North Korea"

I myself hope not

Markus

[vienna]

If he does, it will depend on how much more his poll numbers will slide and/or how close Mueller is getting to Trump's doorstep...
















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[Platapus]

On a more positive note...but there's that 'US official' again.

North Korea has returned 55 boxes believed to contain the remains of US troops killed during the Korean War, but included just one military identification tag, US officials say.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45028879

I think that is a decent thing for the DPRK to do. :salute:

[August]

On a more positive note...but there's that 'US official' again.


Well yeah,a US official but a real and identifiable one as opposed to the phantoms so often quoted by the leftist media:


John Byrd, a forensic anthropologist working for the Hawaii-based agency in charge of identifying the remains.

[ikalugin]

As long as DPRK's security situation is not fixed, they would proceed with nuclear weapons and their delivery systems.

[Mr Quatro]

I thought NK was suppose to go broke by October?

The first thought that came to mind is that Kim Jong-un knows very well that land based ICBM's are a waste of time and money. NK has plenty of mobile launchers that can be hidden in barns at night, plus by 2021 NK will have a diesel submarine capable of launching a nuclear tipped missile. Sure NK can't test one, but guess which friendly country to NK can test one?

Iran in exchange for how to build a nuclear weapon.


http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/09/pompeo-sets-2021-deadline-for-north-korea-denuclearization.html

Kim Jong-un’s promise that North Korea will destroy its primary nuclear testing site in exchange for concessions from the U.S. has brought Washington back to the negotiating table. Following Kim’s summit with South Korea president Moon Jae-in, where President Trump said “tremendous progress” was made, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has said negotiations with Pyongyang are back on.

“On the basis of these important commitments, the United States is prepared to engage immediately in negotiations,” Pompeo said in a statement. He also set a January 2021 deadline for North Korea’s denuclearization.

[Jimbuna]

A leopard never changes its spots.

[Mr Quatro]

NK has been saying trust us ... how can we trust them without verification?


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/north-korea-kim-jong-un-60-nuclear-weapons-south-korea-minister-atomic-bombs/

SEOUL, South Korea -- A top South Korean official told lawmakers that North Korea is estimated to have up to 60 nuclear weapons, in Seoul's first public comment about the size of the North's secrecy-clouded weapons arsenal. Unification Minister Cho Myoung-gyon told parliament Monday the estimates on the size of North Korea's nuclear arsenal range from 20 bombs to as many as 60.

Many foreign experts say North Korea are likely running additional secret uranium-enrichment plants.

[Jimbuna]

Things appear quiet atm :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

This could cause serious problems for a great many people.

Almost 1,000 North Korean defectors have had their personal data leaked after a computer at a South Korean resettlement centre was hacked, the unification ministry said.

A personal computer at the state-run centre was found to have been "infected with a malicious code".

The ministry said this is thought to be the first large-scale information leak involving North Korean defectors.

The hackers' identity and the origin of the cyber-attack is not yet confirmed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-46698646

[Jimbuna]

A summit between US President Donald Trump and the North Korean leader Kim Jong-un ended with no agreement after the US refused North Korean demands for sanctions relief, President Trump said.

"It was all about the the sanctions," Mr Trump told reporters. "They wanted the sanctions lifted in their entirety and we couldn't do that."

The pair had been expected to announce progress on denuclearisation.

"Sometimes you have to walk and this was one of those times," Mr Trump said.

According to Mr Trump, Mr Kim made a significant offer - to dismantle all of the Yongbyon complex, the research and production facility at the heart of North Korea's nuclear programme. But in return Mr Kim wanted all sanctions on North Korea lifted, something the US was not prepared to offer.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-47398974

I'm with Trump on this. As far as I understand matters, Kim was offering very little in return.

[Mr Quatro]

I think Trump did the right thing not to give in ... He will get ridiculed now, but giving in to Kim would've been worse :yep:

[Jimbuna]

Agreed :yep:

[mapuc]

….not if it's a person who really don't like Mr. Trump

Markus

[vienna]

The curious thing about the negotiations with NK is how they differ with past international negotiations. The usual protocol is for foreign ministers/secretaries of state and their advisers to meet and work out all the details of an agreement/deal and then have the leaders of the participating nations meet to sign the final agreement; this prevents or mitigates any possible embarrassment to the nations involved and is one of the reasons you very, very seldom see the sort of 'walk away' you saw in the latest NK situation. One can only suppose Trump pulled the trigger too quickly on the negotiations by his representatives; the possible reasons for such abrupt, preemptive action(s), I leave to your speculation...

I hears an interesting analogy presented by a commentator on a conservative radio show this morning: he likened Trump's actions to those of a fellow has a $110 bill, walks into a used car dealership, and demands to buy a 2018 Porsche fo the $100; he gets the expected "No" and walks away. Trump went into the NK summit knowing there was no real final agreement worked out, knew that NK would not agree to his demands, and made a show of walking out. All in all, a rather pointless, expensive and irresponsible action merely intended to make his Trumpettes happy at home. For the rest of us, its just a big "Meh..."...








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[Aktungbby]

I'm with Trump on this. As far as I understand matters, Kim was offering very little in return.perhaps if 'the Donald' were to offer 'fatboy' his custoary $130,000 bribe he'd make progress...:Kaleun_Wink:

The curious thing about the negotiations with NK is how they differ with past international negotiations. The usual protocol is for foreign ministers/secretaries of state and their advisers to meet and work out all the details of an agreement/deal and then have the leaders of the participating nations meet to sign the final agreement; this prevents or mitigates any possible embarrassment to the nations involved and is one of the reasons you very, very seldom see the sort of 'walk away' you saw in the latest NK situation. One can only suppose Trump pulled the trigger too quickly on the negotiations by his representatives; the possible reasons for such abrupt, preemptive action(s), I leave to your speculation...two meglomaniacs with bad haircuts don't need henchmen...I still can't believe Fatboy was'nt arrested for murder(of his half brother) and after the Congressional grilling of his fixer the NK know they are dealing with a 'lame duck' president and can afford to stall on talks....

[vienna]

perhaps if 'the Donald' were to offer 'fatboy' his custoary $130,000 bribe he'd make progress...

Well, what can you say; this is what happens when you have a much (self) touted "Master Deal Maker" at the helm...

...and I'm pretty sure Kim is not that cheap a date...:haha:



two meglomaniacs with bad haircuts don't need henchmen...I still can't believe Fatboy was'nt arrested for murder(of his half brother) and after the Congressional grilling of his fixer the NK know they are dealing with a 'lame duck' president and can afford to stall on talks....

Kim would have just had the arresting officers executed as well as the prosecutors, something Trump may want to look into, the way things are going for him... :03: :D

... and the 'lame duck' point is very well taken... :up:









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[mapuc]

Not according to the news here in Denmark

(used google translate)

"
President Trump didn't do well off at home, the reactions in general is that the president has suffered a significant defeat, says Steffen Kretz, DR News correspondent in the United States.

-Trump is today also criticized by prominent members of his own party, who point out that the failure in Vietnam is largely due to Trump not doing his homework.
"
Here, among the MSM-journalist, the bottom line is--Trump lost big time.

Markus

[Catfish]

Well it was not exactly a success, but did anyone expect something else?
Trump boasting about what good friends he and Kim are, really :haha:

Kim is not the easiest character to talk with, and when you can achieve a cheap "victory" by humiliating the world's leading nation you probably use the incident. If this is especially clever.. i don't think so.

Kim is of course backed and partially controlled by China. Usually there are negotiations between nations before the leaders meet, so the agreements are prinicipally done beforehand, and they only mee to sign the negotiated contracts and show the world how great they are. Trump obviously has no clue about negotiating, and he did not do his homework.
Question is if the outcome could have been any different with better preparation.

[Jimbuna]

Well, what we do know is that for Kim it is all or nothing so the ball is now back in the US court.

[u crank]

What I find remarkable is that there are people in the 'orange man bad' camp who are almost gleeful when ever Trump fails at something. In fact they probably hope he fails. Which would you prefer...Trump's attempt at a peaceful settlement or Hillary Clinton's "We came, we saw, he died" approach? How did that turn out?

The administration of President George W. Bush in 2003, negotiated an agreement with Gadhafi. Give up the weapons of mass destruction peacefully, and you can remain in power. Then those two great "negotiators" Obama and Clinton arrived on the scene. The result..a civil war, a humanitarian disaster and refugees flooding Europe, destabilizing governments there. One of her advisers, Sidney Blumenthal encouraged her to tout her "successful strategy" as evidence of her fitness for the White House. Christ.

And that wasn't the only mis-step from the Obama/Clinton 'negotiating team' in the Middle East. There's the Syrian debacle and there is Yemen. Obama bragged about the strategy in Yemen as a model for the war on terror. And that turned out how? One can only imagine what President Hillary Clinton's plan would be for Kim Jong Un.

But yea but...orange man bad.

[Platapus]

Other reporting is stating that KJU asked for a reduction of some of the sanctions in return for witnessed irreversible destruction of one of the reactors. Getting them to agree to something irreversible (Reactor destruction) in exchange for something reversible sanctions is a pretty good deal.

Of course this puts one in a sad state of affairs trying to figure out who is more trustworthy: Trump or KJU

I am very disappointed that none of these negotiations seems to introduce the DPRK rejoining the NPT so we can get IAEA inspectors back in.

[Catfish]

Maybe it was just a little too much agent orange, for Vietnam.

[Jimbuna]

Maybe it was just a little too much agent orange, for Vietnam.
:haha:

[vienna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVzElruMTpw










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[Jimbuna]

:haha:

[Jimbuna]

Satellite photographs suggest North Korea appears to be preparing to launch missiles or possibly a space rocket, less than two weeks after Donald Trump met with Kim Jong-un to try and bring an end to the country’s nuclear weapons programme.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/north-korea-missile-rocket-launch-kim-jongun-trump-summit-a8815211.html

It could well be that diplomacy has failed :hmmm:

[Mr Quatro]

Trump should just ignore them ... Let the news media fuss about it.

North Korea would just be a hole in the ground if they start a war anyway.

Let China support them ... I thought they were suppose to go broke last October ... What happen to that untruth?

[Platapus]

I would opine that the chances of KJU initiating an attack, nuclear or otherwise is approximately zero. KJU may be a ruthless sadistic crummy guy but he is not stupid nor suicidal. KJU wants KJU to survive and he would prefer surviving in a surviving DPRK where he can continue being a crummy guy.

However, The chances of KJU attacking, nuclear or otherwise in retaliation are higher. If he feels that his control over the DPRK is threatened (regardless of whether it is actually threatened or not) and he feels that he has no other choice, he will use what he has.

The key is not putting KJU in that position. That means ratcheting down the the threats coming from the US, for starters. We need to make it very clear that we are not interested in forcing any regime change, but at the same time would support one.

Let him play in his sandbox with his toys. When dealing with someone who may be governed more by emotional responses as opposed to rational thought, you don't want to back him into a corner where he may feel that he has "nothing to lose".

[Jimbuna]

My concern is not him actually attacking the likes of SK or Japan but more that of a catastrophic event on one of those countries during a test firing of a missile.

Retaliation would be swift and decisive in my estimation but would it be proportionate?

[mapuc]

Are KJU taking benefit of the situation in which Trump isn't really popular among the media and most of the world politicians.

It wouldn't surprise me if KJU launch another of his longrange missile and the worlds public and the politicians are pointing finger at Trump-accusing him.

Markus

[Reece]

No, North Korea is responsible for its own actions. :timeout:

[Platapus]

Its entirely possible. But with the relations between North and South Korea improving, he may not want to mess with that.

At this point, I don't think either country really expects reunification and I am sure that South Korea watched what happened to Germany.

Reunification may be a noble goal, but a lousy reality.

[vienna]

You don't happen to live in a Confederate state, do you... :hmmm: :D









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[Jimbuna]

No, North Korea is responsible for its own actions. :timeout:

Its entirely possible. But with the relations between North and South Korea improving, he may not want to mess with that.

At this point, I don't think either country really expects reunification and I am sure that South Korea watched what happened to Germany.

Reunification may be a noble goal, but a lousy reality.

Agreed :yep:

[Mr Quatro]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/kims-slain-half-brother-was-a-cia-informant/ar-AACG5Bh

WASHINGTON—Kim Jong Nam, the slain half brother of North Korea’s leader, was an informant for the Central Intelligence Agency who met on several occasions with agency operatives, a person knowledgeable about the matter said.

“There was a nexus” between the U.S. spy agency and Mr. Kim, the person said.

[Onkel Neal]

Trump tromped across the DMZ into North Korea. He has invited lil Kim to the US.

....what if Trump's plan is to lure lil Kim onto US soil then have him seized and arrested a la Noriega? :har: Would make Trump the #1 strategist in the World!

[mapuc]

^ Oh man

I believe the Trump haters would go berserk and KJU would become a martyre

China !? I don't know how they will react. I could see them being more hostile towards USA and its Allied in the area.

But this is pure what-if...

Markus

[em2nought]

Trump tromped across the DMZ into North Korea. He has invited lil Kim to the US.

....what if Trump's plan is to lure lil Kim onto US soil then have him seized and arrested a la Noriega? :har: Would make Trump the #1 strategist in the World!
Trump should offer Kim a soybean carrot, I think we've got plenty to spare at the moment?

[Reece]

If you bumped off Kim he'd only be replaced probably by someone worse!! :dead:
But certainly would be interesting - and tempting!! :yep:

[Jimbuna]

Trump tromped across the DMZ into North Korea. He has invited lil Kim to the US.

....what if Trump's plan is to lure lil Kim onto US soil then have him seized and arrested a la Noriega? :har: Would make Trump the #1 strategist in the World!

Now that I would dearly love to see :yep:

[vienna]

I don't know about anyone else, but when I watched Trump cross the border, two things came to mind:


1. Would the NK version of ICE arrest him as undocumented and hold him for deportation; and,


2. If we offered to lift the the sanctions against NK, would they promise to keep him?









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[Catfish]

Never give up the hope :haha:

Seriously, i wonder what Trump is up to. Apart from trying to make headlines at all cost.

[em2nought]

Saw this picture of Obama at the DMZ and I wondered it the North Koreans or our own troops were on the other side of that bullet proof glass. :D


http://joshuaspodek.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/obama_dmz.jpg

[mapuc]

Or he may archive what no-one have manage to archive so far.

Getting NK and SK to sign a peace treaty and perhaps unite these two countries

(Yes I know-I'm daydreaming to much)

Markus

[Mr Quatro]

Nice thought Markus, but I think the only road for unity will include a complete change in leadership to include the same freedom for NK that SK now enjoys ...
:yep:

Perhaps a nuclear accident or even the threat of a brink of war (with his generals over throwing Kim) would prove that Kim is not the God he has everyone in his country thinking he is :o

[August]

Never give up the hope :haha:

Seriously, i wonder what Trump is up to. Apart from trying to make headlines at all cost.


I would think it obvious, he's trying to show Kim that we are not out to destroy them. IE make peace. Maybe you would feel better if Trump went back to calling Kim Little Rocket Man and threatening war?

[Buddahaid]

I would think it obvious, he's trying to show Kim that we are not out to destroy them. IE make peace. Maybe you would feel better if Trump went back to calling Kim Little Rocket Man and threatening war?

There is still plenty of room for that. :hmmm:

[vienna]

Never give up the hope :haha:

Seriously, i wonder what Trump is up to. Apart from trying to make headlines at all cost.


I think Trump realized he was, once again, about to leave a major diplomatic event without making any serious and/or significant gains to show for the effort; he also was a bit marginalized at the G20, again, with the other global leaders just sort of tolerating him, again; he needed something to show for his frequent flyer miles at taxpayer expense and he need to try to make himself seem relevant, so he cooked up the NK meeting to look like he was 'being presidential'; all in all, not much more than a photo-op with the added effect of giving more legitimacy to Kim on the world stage; Kim is thoroughly playing Trump for a proper sucker...







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[Catfish]

Next move? I guess just maybe someone on this world will finally lose patience?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-submarine/north-koreas-kim-inspects-new-submarine-signals-possible-ballistic-missile-development-idUSKCN1UH2LK

[Jimbuna]

North Korea has a large submarine fleet but only one known experimental submarine capable of carrying a ballistic missile.

Analysts said that based on the apparent size of the new submarine it appears designed to eventually carry missiles.

“We can clearly see that it is a massive submarine - much larger than the existing one that’s been well known since 2014,” said Ankit Panda, senior fellow at the U.S.-based Federation of American Scientists.

“What I find significant about the political messaging here is that this is the first time since a February 2018 military parade that he has inspected a military system clearly designed to carry and deliver nuclear weapons.”

“I take that as an ominous signal that we should be taking Kim Jong Un’s end-of-year deadline for the implementation of a change in U.S. policy with the utmost seriousness.”

I wonder if the POTUS is listening to his advisors.

[Onkel Neal]

Next move? I guess just maybe someone on this world will finally lose patience?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-submarine/north-koreas-kim-inspects-new-submarine-signals-possible-ballistic-missile-development-idUSKCN1UH2LK

What's the probem with having a US sub trail it to sea and when it takes its test dive, sink it. I mean, who could say what happened to it?

[ikalugin]

https://www.ft.com/content/0c1e8550-acf4-11e9-8030-530adfa879c2
Meanwhile ROK (and Japan, those islands are disputed) complain that we violate their airspace. The violator appears to be A50 AWACS aircraft operating as a part of joint patrol force with the Chinese, which included escort fighters and long range bombers (Tu95MS, H6K).


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAJtYNIWsAAPSfa?format=jpg

[Catfish]

What's the probem with having a US sub trail it to sea and when it takes its test dive, sink it. I mean, who could say what happened to it?
^ hehe
Just look for chinese boats/witnesses beforehand.. and maybe they would even applaud.. :03:

[ikalugin]

What could possibly go wrong with an act of agression? :hmmm:


By an americans against a SSBN. There would be no consequences for relations with third parties.

[Catfish]

What could possibly go wrong with an act of agression? :hmmm:
I also thought that Putin should ask himself that, but i did not see much reluctance yet.
By an americans against a SSBN. There would be no consequences for relations with third parties.
We will just let the western version of RT deal with the official reportage :hmmm:
edit: maybe China will take care of it themselves

[ikalugin]

Well, then don't blame us if there are mushroom clouds over your cities as the result of this.


Attacking SSBNs can end very spicy very quickly, especially if there is existing tension.

Especially if there is a third party watching, as this third party may misinterpret the attack on the SSBN as an attack on them.

Not to mention how it would be perceived by other SSBN operators, ie Russia/PRC.

[Catfish]

Well, then don't blame us if there are mushroom clouds over your cities as the result of this. [...]
Oh i know dictators understand each other, i was just not aware that his majesty Kim is such a good friend to you.

[ikalugin]

Oh i know dictators understand each other, i was just not aware that his majesty Kim is such a good friend to you.
I was talking about DPRK's deliverable nuclear weapons.
They currently have both the ICBMs and the portable thermonuclear bombs.
And if common IC accessments are to be believed (heh) they are getting towards having more of both than either UK or France have in the mid term.


You really should get used to mutual vulnerability with DPRK.

[Catfish]

Ok. Sorry, i understood this as a direct threat by Putin/Russia :D

China is a country to be reckoned with of course, and if they intend to wage war one day it will be much more relentless than what we can imagine now. At least, if you read some contemporary chinese stuff on this matter.

But as said before i think China is not so amused with North Korea, for them the only advantage is it is a buffer and restricting south korean/western influence and power in this region.
I doubt China will let Kim do anything gross without their explicit consent :hmmm:

[ikalugin]

DRPK already got "gross" with ICBMs and portable thermonukes. SSBNs are just the icing on the cake to create a greater uncertainty when planning a first strike against DPRK.

[Jimbuna]

I think someone must be reading too many hypothetical war novels.

[ikalugin]

I think someone must be reading too many hypothetical war novels.
Commision 2020 has too many Trump memes to resist.

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4i8si1vVJk

[mapuc]

Read it in the news earlier today.

My first thought was who will take over after him ?

He has, what i know, not a son or any children

Or does he ?

Edit
Have made lot of search and I can't find any clue to if he has a son or not.
He is married.
If he dies, and there's no successor
Can anyone tell me what will happen ?
End edit

I can imagine many things, but these will be biased and not based on real knowledge about NK

Markus

[Mr Quatro]

Could it be a cover story for Kim has the Covid-19 virus?

Heart problems for demigods are normal, but sickness from a virus that N Korea claims no one has would be embarrassing :yep:

[August]

Could it be a cover story for Kim has the Covid-19 virus?

Heart problems for demigods are normal, but sickness from a virus that N Korea claims no one has would be embarrassing :yep:


I wondered the same thing. I also wonder who would replace him if he did croak. Maybe his sister.

[Mr Quatro]

I wondered the same thing. I also wonder who would replace him if he did croak. Maybe his sister.

No, the only power Kim's sister has is the power he gives her.

It would be an embarrassment to the male ego's of NK to have a woman rule over them ... I suspect a general of some kind who won't live very long either.

Perhaps a coup :yep:

[Reece]

Perhaps a coup :yep:
With a bit of luck!! :yep:

[vienna]

Oh, my, if Kim dies, who will write those "beautiful" love letters to Trump so he can wave them around in front of the cameras?...





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[Catfish]

Kim is of course not an elected politician, he also fell into this dictator role automatically, had to play it and act accordingly to survive, he is not really dumb.

I know for sure that N. Korea wants a reunification with South Korea, you can think about that what you want, and it is not intended to be done "by force" (by either of the Koreas).
There has been at least one north korean delegation in Germany recently, to secretly ask and plan how a reunification could be done, taking Germany as an example (and the only one in modern times).
But other than China, the almost bankrupt Russia had to pump too much money and resources into the also bankrupt former GDR, all the russian oil (at the time) and GDR-made goods like freezers or furniture being sold to the West (and not available for their own people) for foreign exchange.
The drawback of Russia from the GDR had been planned long before, russian tanks and other hardware withdrawn from critical locations, all GDR military and certain police units ordered to stay in their barracks at all costs by Russia already in late september 1989. Which was the reason why the then upcoming reunification did not develop into a blood bath.
Russia did not even inform the then head of state, Mr. Honecker, about their plans.

Any kind of reunification in Korea will not be liked by China though, nor the US. The korean delegation learned soon enough that it would not work like in Germany. China was not pleased either to hear of those plans. But Korea cannot reunite when both big blocks do not want it.
I take it that for China and the US, Kim went too far.

Just imagine what happens if Korea would be one country again. The new Korea will have a border to China, i will most probably have a western orientation. This is something that China does not want, nor does the US - the reason and right for the US to send and maintain troops in and around South Korea would most probably be withdrawn. Military presence at sea maybe, but no or less bases in China's antechamber.
The question is also IF such a move would destabilise the general situation.

[Jimbuna]

Kim Jong-un’s sister tipped as his successor as North Korea’s next leader.

https://7news.com.au/politics/world-politics/kim-jong-uns-sister-tipped-as-his-successor-as-north-koreas-next-leader-c-992443

[Mr Quatro]

Kim Jong-un’s sister tipped as his successor as North Korea’s next leader.

https://7news.com.au/politics/world-politics/kim-jong-uns-sister-tipped-as-his-successor-as-north-koreas-next-leader-c-992443

She won't last a year without South Korea's approval :yep:

[Mr Quatro]

on second thought Kim might need a food taster with his sister waiting in the wings :hmmm:

[mapuc]

According to the news here in Denmark-There seems to be some kind of panic in NK.

People is hoarding basic food and imported food or stuff is impossible to come by.

(the news paper had a link to the English version of this story, but it was a code 502)

In my imagination the top/elite start to break apart and anarki arise among the top politicians and the elite. Fraction will start to pop-up in NK
Ending with a civil war.
Of course this will not happen-they will live peacefully ever after

Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3fYg33u5sg

[mapuc]

Add to my latest comment.

“Panic buying” sprees have been spotted taking place in some of Pyongyang’s stores and groceries since Monday, multiple informed sources told NK News, resulting in increasingly empty shelves and a growing shortage of key staples.

https://www.nknews.org/2020/04/north-koreans-panic-buying-at-high-end-pyongyang-shops-sources-say/

Markus

[August]

Kim Jong-un’s sister tipped as his successor as North Korea’s next leader.

https://7news.com.au/politics/world-politics/kim-jong-uns-sister-tipped-as-his-successor-as-north-koreas-next-leader-c-992443


I wondered the same thing. I also wonder who would replace him if he did croak. Maybe his sister.


Called it!

[Jeff-Groves]

Ending with a civil war.

If a Woman is involved? It will be anything BUT civil!
:o
Ask anyone who has been through a Divorce.

[Mr Quatro]

Kim Jong-un’s sister tipped as his successor as North Korea’s next leader.

https://7news.com.au/politics/world-politics/kim-jong-uns-sister-tipped-as-his-successor-as-north-koreas-next-leader-c-992443

I wondered the same thing. I also wonder who would replace him if he did croak. Maybe his sister.

She won't last a year without South Korea's approval :yep:

on second thought Kim might need a food taster with his sister waiting in the wings :hmmm:

If a Woman is involved? It will be anything BUT civil!
:o
Ask anyone who has been through a Divorce.

Called it!

Maybe I called it August we have to wait for the other shoe to drop:D

[Reece]

Kim Jong-un’s sister tipped as his successor as North Korea’s next leader.

https://7news.com.au/politics/world-politics/kim-jong-uns-sister-tipped-as-his-successor-as-north-koreas-next-leader-c-992443

Australian news, I would take that with a pinch of salt!! :yep:

[MaDef]

If a Woman is involved? It will be anything BUT civil!
:o
Ask anyone who has been through a Divorce.
Ask anyone married for more than a month.

[mapuc]

Do you think there will be any changes in their politics towards SK, JP, USA and other countries around them ?

Do you think there will be any changes to the ordinary people in NK, if KJU sister take over ?

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Do you think there will be any changes in their politics towards SK, JP, USA and other countries around them ?

Do you think there will be any changes to the ordinary people in NK, if KJU sister take over ?

Markus

Nope.

[Mr Quatro]

Those generals with Kim on parade days look kind of old :yep:

Kim's half brother is 65 and of course his sister could be a figure like Queen's sometimes become surrounded by generals that have the keys to launch,
but my uneducated guess is a revolt by the people for the people to have the same freedom's that South Korea have of media, internet, religion,
world travel, food gathering and food sharing becoming a thorn in China's side. :yep:

[vienna]

The idea of Kim's sister taking the reins is interesting, but I seem to recall there where stories about of her being even more of a hardliner than her brother; there's also the element of sexism: Asia, as a whole retains a tradition of male dominance in matters of control and command; if she takes over, it will be interesting to how the males in leadership positions, particularly the military, will tolerate or support being ruled/commanded by a woman...





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[Jimbuna]

The idea of Kim's sister taking the reins is interesting, but I seem to recall there where stories about of her being even more of a hardliner than her brother; there's also the element of sexism: Asia, as a whole retains a tradition of male dominance in matters of control and command; if she takes over, it will be interesting to how the males in leadership positions, particularly the military, will tolerate or support being ruled/commanded by a woman...





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If she can command enough support from the high ranking officers I doubt anyone will have any choice.

All those in the upper echelon must have mastered the art of sleeping with one eye open by now.

[Onkel Neal]

The idea of Kim's sister taking the reins is interesting, but I seem to recall there where stories about of her being even more of a hardliner than her brother; there's also the element of sexism: Asia, as a whole retains a tradition of male dominance in matters of control and command; if she takes over, it will be interesting to how the males in leadership positions, particularly the military, will tolerate or support being ruled/commanded by a woman...

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One would think someone in the higher circles would take this as an opportunity to strike and oust the whole Kim family from power.

Now rumored to be even deader than before
https://nypost.com/2020/04/25/north-korean-dictator-kim-jong-un-rumored-to-be-dead/

[Jimbuna]

while a Japanese magazine is reporting that North Korea’s rocket man is in a “vegetative state”

I thought that had always been the case :O:

[vienna]

One would think someone in the higher circles would take this as an opportunity to strike and oust the whole Kim family from power.

Now rumored to be even deader than before
https://nypost.com/2020/04/25/north-korean-dictator-kim-jong-un-rumored-to-be-dead/


Is this going to be similar to the whole "Franco is dead.. no, wait... yes...maybe...um..." situation back in 1975? I remember all the parodies on SNL over those weeks where they would report on the 'developing' and 'continuing' death of the Generalissimo...





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[Mr Quatro]

One would think someone in the higher circles would take this as an opportunity to strike and oust the whole Kim family from power.


Protected from everyone except her own family and a hungry mob like in Romania Revolution December 1989 :yep:

[mapuc]

Protected from everyone except her own family and a hungry mob like in Romania Revolution December 1989 :yep:

Now again I have to rely on my memory.

Some years after the revolt in Romania I saw a documentary

The revolt started when a very loved priest was arrested by the Romanian secret and feared police.
This is what I remember from this documentary on Danish tv-which was an English production.

Back to North Korea.

What is needed to get the people angry enough to revolt against the top politicians and their elite ?

Markus

[Aktungbby]

Kim's over indulgence on 7.27 brand N.korean cigarettes and love of cheese from his preppie days in Switzerland are the CIA's secret weapon....any other world leader (think Trump's 'very good buddie" :nope:) would be on a plane to Rochester, MN 's world renowned Mayo clinic:yeah:: King Hussein and Ferdinand Marcos did... Ironically: before he 'smoked' everbody with his nukes, he may well have 'smoked' himself. And his case is by no mean remarkable for N. Korea: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_in_North_Korea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_in_North_Korea) and as of 2010 mortality figures indicate that 34% of men and 22% of women die due to smoking-related causes, the highest mortality figures in the world. THis being a submarine forum...:arrgh!: https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article8231128.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/North-Korean-leader-Kim-Jong-Un.jpg

[Catfish]

After the report of Kim's possible death:
"Trump while in answer said that he was close to Kim and added: "I think the report was incorrect."
When asked by a CNN reporter if he has had any contact with Kim he snapped and said: "CNN is fake news, don't talk to me."
:doh:

[mapuc]

I wait until the official North Korea annonce the death of KJU.

Until then I take notice that there are rumours about his death.

Markus

[Jeff-Groves]

Wouldn't surprise me to see SIS take control.
They could spin it off past Historic Female leaders very easily.

[Mr Quatro]

latest report is Kim's train has been seen in a northern resort town and that China has sent a specialist to visit him ... :yep:

probably didn't want to be exposed to the Covid-19 that has not been found in all of North Korea yet :D

[Reece]

Kim Jong Un is dead!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCobSW8aYK8

[Mr Quatro]

:yep:Kim Jong Un is dead!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCobSW8aYK8

Born: January 8, 1984 (age 36), Pyongyang, North Korea
Died: April 25, 2020

Quit spreading rumors Reece :o

Never mind you were right :yep:

[Platapus]

The only reason I am uncertain whether KJU is dead is that I doubt that the DPRK would have released the information so quickly. When KJI died it was several days before even the first leak

[Mr Quatro]

It's been over an hour and 15 minutes now and I can't find it anywhere else than here ... not online, not on CNN or other news stations.

So what gives :hmmm:

[em2nought]

Too bad he missed the chance to go from villain to hero in the end. Too bad for everybody.

[Catfish]

US media have spread the news of Kim's death, but apparently no one has evidence :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

A train thought to belong to Kim Jong-un has been spotted at his compound in a resort town on the country’s east coast, according to satellite images, amid conflicting reports about the North Korean leader’s health and whereabouts.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/26/kim-jong-uns-train-possibly-spotted-at-north-korean-resort

[mapuc]

It's been over an hour and 15 minutes now and I can't find it anywhere else than here ... not online, not on CNN or other news stations.

So what gives :hmmm:

I repeat my last comment

"I wait until the official North Korea annonce the death of KJU.

Until then I take notice that there are rumours about his death."

I have heard nothing but rumours nothing official from NK.

Markus

[Skybird]

I repeat my last comment

"I wait until the official North Korea annonce the death of KJU.


They just add the finishing touches to his clone.


Serious, from Die Welt:


Rumors have been circulating for days that North Korea's dictator Kim Jong-un is dead. In fact, some things make you think. This includes not only that he was missing for the first time in the annual festivities for the founder of the state, but also that he belonged to the Corona risk group.

Is North Korea's leader Kim Jong-un still alive or did he die on Wednesday? And what happens if he were dead? Pyongyang remains silent. It always does so on such questions. Only the following is secured.

First. Kim performed for the last time at a Politburo meeting on April 11. At the meeting of his bogus parliament two days later, he was absent. Likewise on April 15th at the annual ceremony of the founder of the state, Kim Il-sung, in his mausoleum. It was the first time that Kim missed this appointment.

Secondly. Last Monday, CNN reported that Kim was at utmost risk of dying. Donald Trump did not say that this was "fake news". He said cautiously that the message was "probably" wrong. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said Friday that America is "closely monitoring" the situation.

For the first time in more than six years, the aunt of the North Korean ruler Kim Jong-un has appeared in public again. The state media showed pictures on which the 73-year-old can be seen during a concert visit in Pyongyang.

Third. On Tuesday, China's internet said Beijing had sent a team of doctors. On Thursday, NKNews, a specialist in North Korea, found the news in a Chinese doctor chat that the doctors were eight minutes late. Kim is dead.

That was also said by a journalist whose uncle was China's foreign minister from 2003 to 2007. Beijing did not immediately censor the reports, contrary to its practice.

Fourth. Kim has brought relatives in key positions since New Year's Eve. His sister came to the Politburo.

An uncle who has returned from Vienna, says the South Korean MP and former North Korean envoy in London Thae Yong-ho, can become head of the transition state. South Korea's government meanwhile says Kim is recovering.

Does he have Corona? Kim does not wear a mask, although he is at risk with being overweight and smoking. A mask would have undermined the propaganda that demigod Kim was invincible.

If the virus defeats him, a clique of officials could stabilize the regime, like after Stalin's and Mao's death. Or it breaks down like the GDR. Or Kim shows up again - and all the excitement was in vein.

[mapuc]

Lets say there is some indicier which points in the direction, he could be dead or are very ill.

Markus

[Mr Quatro]

Thank you Sky that's more information than we are getting over here ...

Something tells me he died last thursday and our intelligence agencies know it, but it's so serious that the next move is up to who?

[vienna]

But, is Franco still dead...?...







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[August]

His sister bumped him off in a well planned power grab, that'd be my guess.

[Jimbuna]

Kim's Alive! South Korea says despot Jong-un is NOT dead as defectors from his evil regime also say they believe he is still healthy.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8258541/Kims-Alive-South-Korea-says-despot-John-NOT-dead.html

Historically not the most reliable of sources but less than an hour old.

[Mr Quatro]

If he is still alive little Rocket Man has a big ego thing that he wants the news to be about him instead of Covid-19 ... :yep:

Look how many rockets he's been firing off recently adds to the mystery :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/hvF8Dvr6/94892191-10218913542328738-6761061041175527424-n.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Catfish]

Kim Jong-Un dead. Kim Jong-Undead.
No wonder it is difficult :hmmm:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SqZN7ejRro

[em2nought]

Kim Jong-Un dead. Kim Jong-Undead.
No wonder it is difficult :hmmm:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SqZN7ejRro


By the by, this is Donald Trump still hoping and trying to get the "deal" done, not commiserating with a fellow tyrannical dictator as it will be reported by the mainstream media vermin. :up:

[mapuc]

It would not be the first time KJU is absent

In 2014 he was away for 6 weeks.

Even then there were speculation about his health and whereabouts
(from a Danish article)

Markus

[Mr Quatro]

It would not be the first time KJU is absent

In 2014 he was away for 6 weeks.

Even then there were speculation about his health and whereabouts
(from a Danish article)

Markus

Thank you for that memory Markus ... I thought something like this had happen before, but this time that nasty ole virus Covid-19 has been reported in every country except North Korea.

Demi gods don't get sick is my best guess :yep:

[vienna]

By the by, this is Donald Trump still hoping and trying to get the "deal" done, not commiserating with a fellow tyrannical dictator as it will be reported by the mainstream media vermin. :up:




Nah, its just Trump making the usual vague statements to give the impression he is actually a knowledgeable "insider" and not the brain dead, dimwitted, buffoon he really is; added to the mix is his constant need to make himself the center of anything and everything (even if he hasn't a clue or relevance to the matter at hand), and the fact he desperately needs to at least try to look "presidential" since his tenure, campaign, and voter's confidence are seriously tanking...


...and, with his latest Covid-19 boondoggles, his efforts are failing and flailing...




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[mapuc]

Kim's disappearance seen from the Chinese point-of-view

But the world is watching — and no leader is watching more closely than President Xi Jinping. Because no country stands to benefit from Kim’s demise more than China.


https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/kim-jonguns-disappearance-provides-rare-opportunity-for-china/news-story/841f70860c42a2561784bd54e1073731

Markus

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaZ3_fxfFfs

[mapuc]

False alarm again so it seems

The report said he attended a Saturday morning (local time) ceremony for the completion of a fertilizer plant in Sunchon, South Phyongan Province.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/01/kim-jong-un-appears-in-public-north-korean-media-claims/

Markus

[Reece]

Shows just how unreliable the media is!! :doh:

[Buddahaid]

He doesn't look all that healthy to me.

[Texas Red]

He literally carries his own toilet with him and collects his poop because if someone gets it, they can use it to find a lot about him, such as his health.
He will not take a dump in any other toilet besides his own.

[Buddahaid]

Ew! It's not good to be the king....

[Mr Quatro]

He doesn't look all that healthy to me.

Something smells funny here ... He was seen today for the first time in 20 days opening a fertilizer plant :D

He sure was over smiling too ... he knew this would make him look good :yep:

[Reece]

So that's where his poop has been going!! :hmmm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTd_73Slj3Q

[vienna]

Was there any mention of Kim having developed a sudden appetite for eating brains?...




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[Jimbuna]

So....Fatty has once again reared his ugly head.

https://i.postimg.cc/t4rcLjj0/IdLyYpc.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Mr Quatro]

Rocket man fooled us once, fooled us twice, third time he's going to be dead :yep:

[Aktungbby]

He literally carries his own toilet with him and collects his poop because if someone gets it, they can use it to find a lot about him, such as his health.
He will not take a dump in any other toilet besides his own.

Something smells funny here ... He was seen today for the first time in 20 days opening a fertilizer plant :D

He sure was over smiling too ... he knew this would make him look good :yep:

So that's where his poop has been going!! :hmmm:
JEEZE, fer once we're gittin' "the 'straight' poop" outta the Hermit Kingdom!!?? ...I bet that's his body-double-all nasty dictators have one-but they had to fatten this one up first...from 'grossly overweight' to 'morbidly obese'! What a great gig in undernourished N.Korea!:03:

[Onkel Neal]

Fake ! He's dead. Don't ask me how I know.

[Mr Quatro]

It did look like a double the video that is, plus it was all rigged with him walking fast in front of the camera all alone with a crowd nearby wearing face mask.

It was either a double (fatter too) or something was different.

Why he didn't show for his father's anniversary celebration might of been just fear about the virus :yep:

[Jimbuna]

Fake ! He's dead. Don't ask me how I know.

I'm not so convinced but I sure hope you're right.

[Aktungbby]

I'm not so convinced but I sure hope you're right. well ther's hope yet https://www.foxnews.com/world/kim-jong-un-heart-surgery-marks-wrist (https://www.foxnews.com/world/kim-jong-un-heart-surgery-marks-wrist) https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2020/05/640/320/Kim-Jong-Un-Wrist-Mark-NK-News.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

The mark was not present during Kim’s previous public outing on April 11, according to the independent NK News (https://www.nknews.org/2020/05/possible-signs-of-kim-jong-un-health-issues-in-footage-of-factory-visit/).
“It looks like a right radial artery puncture … [which is] often used for access to the coronary arteries for stent placement,” one U.S.-trained medical professional told NK News, adding it appeared to be “about a week old.”
“It is hard to tell from the foreshortening of the photograph, but it seems a bit medial. It is not an IV [intravenous], which wouldn’t leave such a mark.”
A South Korea surgeon also told NK News that the mark on Kim’s arm “looks more plausible to be a procedure or check-up mark from a procedure on a heart-related issue.”

[Aktungbby]

What's really weird is that his appearance at the fertlizer factory is a sigh of relief to China, America, South Korea, Japan and all the 'other ducks around that particular pond' at this moment in history. Fatboy's demise would only destabilize an already unstable situation. The US, seeking better shared military costs, has strained ties with S.Korea; which has a frosty relationship with American ally Japan...even as China and US relations are not chummy right now. Throwing that five countries are preoccupied with their respective corona pandemic responses-less gas on the potential nuclear fire threat is advisable.:hmmm: North and South Koreas exchanged gun fire on Sunday. Instability in N. Korea would be better as a contained 'implosion', and not an external regional 'explosion' with highly marketable loose nukes proliferating to terrorists as a means of raising cash in a desperate economically sanctioned commie slaveocracy... stay well Fatboy: we actually need you alive.:ping::ping::ping:

[vienna]

^ Not all that far from the truth; look at Iraq: when Saddam Hussein was ousted by the US, it threw the whole Mid-East into chaos, leading, ultimately to the rise of ISIS and the spread of Islamic extremism throughout the region and the rest of the world, with some of the older groups, like Hamas, etc., gaining more power and influence. When GHW Bush stopped short of ousting Saddam at the end of the Gulf War, a lot of people, myself included, questioned why Bush didn't just have done with him, instead of just containing him and Iraq; Clinton continued the policy, sort of playing "whack-a-mole" and using just enough force to squash any attempts by Saddam to rear his ugly head; then along came GW Bush and, for whatever yet undetermined reason, he decided it was of high importance to immediately oust Saddam, a decision whose aftereffects we are still living with nearly two decades later. Whether intentional or not, the restraint shown by GHW Bush in not pulling the plug totally on Iraq was a very smart decision. Like Saddam, Kim may not be a first choice as a power in his region, but the possible alternatives, especially with the experience of the Saddam ouster as a prime example, are of too high a risk at this moment to want to see a change in the status quo...





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[Mr Quatro]

Think tank stuff :yep:

What if China says enough is enough that N Korea proposes a threat to China's borders if a war should break out.

China moves to take over the DPRK and make them part of the Peoples Republic of China. Promising peace to the region,
but we all know what that really means is making them slaves of China.

What would anyone do?

Nothing absolutely nothing :o

[Jimbuna]

Think tank stuff :yep:

What if China says enough is enough that N Korea proposes a threat to China's borders if a war should break out.

China moves to take over the DPRK and make them part of the Peoples Republic of China. Promising peace to the region,
but we all know what that really means is making them slaves of China.

What would anyone do?

Nothing absolutely nothing :o

Most probably :yep:

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/nrpmx5vB/95560804-10223221849682979-508823388282683392-o.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[August]

Think tank stuff :yep:

What if China says enough is enough that N Korea proposes a threat to China's borders if a war should break out.

China moves to take over the DPRK and make them part of the Peoples Republic of China. Promising peace to the region,
but we all know what that really means is making them slaves of China.

What would anyone do?

Nothing absolutely nothing :o


The Koreans might have a problem with that. Their historical relations with the Chinese are no less violent than their history with the Japanese.

[Aktungbby]

JEEZE, fer once we're gittin' "the 'straight' poop" outta the Hermit Kingdom!!?? ...I bet that's his body-double-all nasty dictators have one-but they had to fatten this one up first...from 'grossly overweight' to 'morbidly obese'! What a great gig in undernourished N.Korea!:03: YIPES! https://nypost.com/2020/05/05/kim-jong-un-photos-spark-wild-theories-about-a-body-double/ (https://nypost.com/2020/05/05/kim-jong-un-photos-spark-wild-theories-about-a-body-double/) Photos of North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un at a public event have sparked wild theories that it could have been a body double.
State-run media on Saturday released images and video of the 36-year-old Hermit Kingdom leader at a ribbon-cutting function (https://nypost.com/2020/05/01/kim-jong-un-appears-in-public-north-korean-media-claims/) — dispelling escalating rumors that he was either dying or even already dead (https://nypost.com/2020/04/25/north-korean-dictator-kim-jong-un-rumored-to-be-dead/).
The photos have instead raised suspicion that a lookalike could have been there in his place — with web sleuths noting discrepancies in facial, hairline and dental features when compared with previous appearances.
It is a “well-known fact that Kim uses body doubles,” the International Business Times (IBT) says (https://www.ibtimes.sg/kim-jong-uns-body-double-used-stand-north-korean-leaders-public-appearance-44307?utm_campaign=/kim-jong-uns-body-double-used-stand-north-korean-leaders-public-appearance-44307) — and the Sun in 2017 posted video (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4125913/kim-jong-un-body-doubles-revealed-to-the-world-as-dictator-natters-to-two-lookalikes-before-missile-test/) seemingly showing the dictator chatting with some of them.
Human rights activist Jennifer Zeng was the first to draw attention to dissimilarities between the two “versions” of Kim, including differences in their teeth and ears, according to IBT. RULE 1 when dealing with fatboy: capable of executing his uncle and his own half-brother in Malaysia...ya kin put nuthin' past him!:k_confused:

[Mr Quatro]

China Seals Off Cities Near North Korea as New Clusters Grow

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/china-seals-off-cities-near-north-korea-as-new-clusters-grow/ar-BB141KxG#image=BBZaM5o|4

China is sealing off cities in a northeastern province that borders North Korea as a growing cluster of cases threatens to undermine its hard-won containment of the coronavirus epidemic.

While there has been no confirmed link between the cluster and North Korea, the cities’ proximity to the isolated country has ignited fears that an outbreak there is spilling over to China. North Korea has yet to confirm any Covid-19 infections, but the U.S. military said it suspects there are cases, and Kim Jong Un’s regime has accepted help from other nations to fight the virus.

[Texas Red]

About time that Kim accepted help.

[Jimbuna]

What is going on? Kim Jong-un performs mysterious cabinet PURGE soon after bizarre new law.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1282020/Kim-Jong-un-news-latest-North-Korea-president-bodyguard-world-war-3

[Reece]

This comes up with today's date, don't seem right, surely this is old news:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/basketball/121509984/dennis-rodman-and-kim-jongun--vodka-karaoke-and-hotties

[Mr Quatro]

I thought something funny was going on with Kim's sister shaking her finger at South Korea about defectors from NK and how they were going to hunt them down and other things in the news that used her name, plus remember when Kim was missing for a long time and took a train somewhere to rest and then showed up to open a manure factory?

That Kim did not look like him his chin was all one with his neck.

Then just the other day they reported that there would be no more nuclear summit talks ... yep! Something odd is going on for sure :hmmm:


North Korea defector ‘99 percent’ sure Kim Jong Un is dead


https://nypost.com/2020/05/01/north-korean-defector-is-99-percent-sure-kim-jong-un-died/?utm_source=zergnet.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=zergnet_5168886&fbclid=IwAR0ZMT70PdHK6m6IvPv9P6ZIaa4ndr5E4rp_qXTB-EG9jR1Ix85acuDEeCw

A North Korean defector-turned-South Korea lawmaker claimed Friday he is “99 percent” sure that Kim Jong Un died after surgery — amid swirling speculation about the dictator’s condition.

Ji Seong-ho, who earned a proportional representation seat of a minor party in the country’s April 15 elections, told Yonhap News Agency he believes Kim died after his recent surgery and that North Korea will announce it this weekend.

[Jimbuna]

If it is announced that's one person I certainly won't be mourning after.

[Texas Red]

I thought something funny was going on with Kim's sister shaking her finger at South Korea about defectors from NK and how they were going to hunt them down and other things in the news that used her name, plus remember when Kim was missing for a long time and took a train somewhere to rest and then showed up to open a manure factory?

That Kim did not look like him his chin was all one with his neck.

Then just the other day they reported that there would be no more nuclear summit talks ... yep! Something odd is going on for sure :hmmm:


North Korea defector ‘99 percent’ sure Kim Jong Un is dead


https://nypost.com/2020/05/01/north-korean-defector-is-99-percent-sure-kim-jong-un-died/?utm_source=zergnet.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=zergnet_5168886&fbclid=IwAR0ZMT70PdHK6m6IvPv9P6ZIaa4ndr5E4rp_qXTB-EG9jR1Ix85acuDEeCw

If it is announced, I will have a party and I for sure won't be missing him any time soon. About time someone else took the reins.

[mapuc]

I would party the day the North Korean people was free

If KJU is dead another have just taken his place and will continue the anti human politics.

Markus

[Texas Red]

I would party the day the North Korean people was free

Same here! Those poor people are starving and poor. I will be overjoyed when they are free and can live life normally/

[Skybird]

You read too much into his possible death. One tyrant leaves the office, the next in line comes in. For exmaple his sister. She is at least as bad as her brother was/is.

Also, North Korean people have been brainwashed and kept away form the outside world since generations, btw, compared to them the people in the GDR were social media junkeys alreayd 30 years ago.

Kim dead = Korea free, is a formula that does not compute, sorry.

[mapuc]

Kim dead = Korea free, is a formula that does not compute, sorry.

No not before the collapse of the political regime

Markus

[Reece]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12063618/kim-jong-un-dead-rumours-north-korean-ceremony-26-grandads-death/

[Subnuts]

The Sun and The New York Post can't agree with one another?



Damn, where's a guy to get his news anymore? :doh:

[Mr Quatro]

Kim's image in the Sun article seems to have lost a lot of weight :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

I think only one thing is certain. However many Kim's there are, they all wear the same pyjamas.

[Onkel Neal]

Kim Jung Un dead (again)

https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/08/20/breaking-news-north-korean-leader-kim-jong-un-suddenly-hands-over-power-to-his-sister/

[Buddahaid]

Kim Jung Un dead (again)

https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/08/20/breaking-news-north-korean-leader-kim-jong-un-suddenly-hands-over-power-to-his-sister/

Well he is a god and completely capable of resurrection and whoa, girl power North Korean style.
https://asianacircus.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/dark-animes-dark-anime-characters-dark-anime-girl-Saya-Kisaragi-blood-c-Small.jpg

[Jimbuna]

Handed over the reigns to his sister who is thought to be more ruthless than him, if that is possible.

It's the simple people of NK I feel sorry for.

[vienna]

Kim Jung Un dead (again)

https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/08/20/breaking-news-north-korean-leader-kim-jong-un-suddenly-hands-over-power-to-his-sister/


Maybe its all been like that movie, Weekend at Bernie's, and what we've seen in NK media for the past few years is Kim's corpse trotted out; any reports if Gen. Franco is still dead?...




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[mapuc]

KJU got a new toy

Analysts said the new missile is not known to have been tested, but a bigger weapon would allow North Korea to put multiple warheads on it, increasing the threat it would pose to any targeted foe.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/10/asia/north-korea-military-parade-new-missiles-intl-hnk/index.html

Markus

[Jimbuna]

The million dollar question being...Does it work?

[mapuc]

The million dollar question being...Does it work?

I don't think his neighbours, incl. USA are willing to test whether they works or not.

Markus

[Reece]

Why not? :D

[Jimbuna]

Who need missiles when dust can do the job for you :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ0pifXqISo

[Mr Quatro]

If NK lights one off we may never see or hear from each other again :o

Think about it :yep:

[Jimbuna]

NORTH KOREA is demanding its workers pay Kim Jong-un "loyalty funds" to shore up the hermit state's dwindling finances.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1352643/North-Korea-news-Kim-Jong-un-economy-china-trade-coronavirus

[Aktungbby]

cmon now! my wife gives me a loyalty stipend every month! :Kaleun_Salivating: it augments my SS loyalty payment....:k_confused:

[Rockstar]

I am sure that Trump is very interested in this idea


News flash: Why do think Biden is swimming in campaign cash compared to Trump? Loyalty payments! But here in the United States of America we call them lobbyists. I wonder if much of the apparent revolving door in the Trump administration has more to do with getting rid of self serving lobbyists that seem to keep showing up at the administrations door. Maybe just maybe Trump was actually doing what he said he would do.

https://www.opensecrets.org/trump/lobbyists

https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying/top-recipients-details?cycle=2020&id=N00001669

[Jimbuna]

Isn't this the North Korea thread? :hmmm:

[Platapus]

Isn't this the North Korea thread? :hmmm:


Fair point, my apologies. :oops:

[Jimbuna]

Fair point, my apologies. :oops:

No problem.