Silent Hunter 4 patch v1.3: Where? When? What?

[Onkel Neal]

It's coming up on two months since Silent Hunter 4 was released. Two patches have brought the game up to where it is stable and most of the basic features are functional, but there are still several key aspects that need attention and it's too quiet in the Ubisoft camp. I have not heard anything about the status of a third patch, which the game needs to be considered complete. Before the dev team gets too far from the construction site, Subsim is going to mount a campaign for patch v1.3. Silent Hunter 4 is an enjoyable game but has yet to reach the point where we consider it complete. The future of the Silent Hunter franchise depends on maintaining a reputation for quality.

We call on Ubisoft to complete Silent Hunter 4. We don't expect every wish to be fulfilled, but there are several key gameplay issues that loyal players and Ubisoft customers, who bought an incomplete game, deserve to have addressed. These include:

All AI needs tweaking, too often merchant ships all come to a stop and muddle around when under attack. Destroyers guarding merchants and especially in task forces occasionally seem somewhat uninterested in firing back. The Subchaser is unable to fire its main gun at all. If you mod the Subchaser to have a second gun in a raised position where the AA gun is it will fire this gun. The Akizuki DD has a similar issue, of the four guns it has only the two guns on the raised platforms actually fire. When the boat is rammed by a destroyer (for example) the destroyer generally comes of worse and often explodes.

Units of measurement: Imperial units for ship dimensions, torpedo depth gauge, range figure in the TDC and Position Keeper, all UOM issues need to be resolved.

Campaign retirement – feature or bug? Bug. Suggestion that it should be optional.

Repetitive patrols still get assigned.

Chronometer still doesn’t work as described in the manual. “The Chronometer bug”, this needs a quick and dirty fix, just a simple speed response in the text box when the Speed button is selected in the TDC, as occurs when the player clicks the Depth Beneath Keel button. But, importantly, the player should still have the choice of manually entering his own speed estimate in the TDC.

Radar needs finishing touches. It doesn't work when heading South 90deg to 270deg. Is SD radar fixed? Does is not detect ships but will detect aircraft? Also, when SD radar fitted there is no A scope display. We need your help to demonstrate the need for patch 1.3. Join the campaign here and make yourself heard. Post here. Don't hesitate or put it off. This thread will need hundreds of names to merit any attention.

To vote, simply make a reply in this thread and add your thoughts.


Neal Stevens
Subsim

Other issues and discussion can be found in this topic. (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=531615#post531615)



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thanks
Neal

[Ducimus]

After reading that unit of measrement bit, .. no wonder my fish ran really deep :roll: Im now, more tempted then ever to go back to metric. :cry:

edit: BTW

/signed. As ive posted elsewhere, the idea of no patch 1.3 is inconceivable given the current state of the game.

[mookiemookie]

I'd echo Neal's concerns as being the most glaringly obvious candidates for patching. These issues are more than minor annoyances...they have a serious impact upon game mechanics. It would be a shame for these issues to be unresolved when Ubisoft and the SH4 team have brought us a game that promises so much potential. To let these issues hold the game back from fulfilling this potential by leaving them unpatched would be a serious oversight and would say volumes about Ubisoft's commitment to the the Silent Hunter franchise. If that were to happen, I'd have to reevaluate my commitment to the franchise as a fan and customer of any future Silent Hunter titles.

Please don't let that happen. Do the right thing by the loyal Silent Hunter fans and allow this game to be all it can be.

Thank you.

[CCIP]

Totally agreed, even Neal's list would be sufficient to really help alleive some of the issues. Anything beyond that would be nice too of course.

The potential of this game is written on the wall, so to speak. There's so many features that aren't being used to full potential, or features that are just an inch away from being finished, that I'm confident that even a fairly minor patching effort could bring up some major improvements here.

[Papabull]

I'd like to echo Neal's post, all of us who own and enjoy SH4 feel that fixing these items will turn this into the sim it has the potential to become. Quality indeed should be the standard, and is the legacy of the Silent Hunter series.

Papabull

[ReallyDedPoet]

Finish what you started UBI, the Silent Hunter Series has had a great reputation. It should be completed properly.

RDP

[Pablo]

Hi!

I can't offer any testimony on whether SH IV is good or bad: I have held off purchasing the game after reading many independent reviews and player comments regarding the number and severity of bugs in the game.

I would like the game to be at least as mature (with regard to bugs that require developer intervention) as SH III was after its final patch before I purchase it, but it appears from player comments and feedback on V1.2 that SH IV is not quite there yet.

I think the game could be quite a worthy successor and improvement upon SH III and a game I would consider really worth buying, so I would like to encourage Ubisoft and the development team to make the necessary repairs and make available any information that would allow the modding community to take it from there, even if it takes another patch... or two.

Pablo

[MONOLITH]

*Nods to Neal*

[fatty]

I have never even played this game but I'm fatty and I approve this message.

[TDK1044]

Ubisoft, your DEV team has created the most visually stunning sub sim ever, but patch 1.3 is necessary to allow them to fix some critical bugs that are still present in the game.

Please don't quit on the game now. You're so close to producing something really special. Give these Guys one more patch to fix this game, and let us all be proud of Silent Hunter 4.

Thanks,

Terry

[Beery]

The game needs at least two more patches with all Neal's suggestions covered and more. At the very least, everything listed as a feature in the manual should work in the game - this means chronometer and the ability to write notes on the map, among other things.

[peewee]

totally agree with everything Neal says............come on UBI, we paid our hard earned cash, give us a finished product not a half finished one..

[wstaub]

As it is the game is what I term only a "mediocre" game. I know if UBI fixes these issues listed above by Neal it will transform into a truly worthy addition to the Silent Hunter Franchise.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

I support Neal's statement.

[Tim D]

I 100% totally agree with you Neal, UBI needs to work on customer relations and pride in their company/products. Unemployment can be a bad thing if their products dont sell :down: UBI please fix this!

[bunkerratt]

:up:

[Ducimus]

I hope Ubi is indeed making another patch. To not to, given the current state of the game, is simply inconceivable.

[sunvalleyslim]

Neal is the heart and soul of Subsim. com.
If Neal is asking, he is asking for the community.
He knows the lifes blood that flow thru this forum.
He knows greatness when it's there
He knows what this community is looking for
He wants those who believe to step forward
He wants those that can, to change for the better
He knows what this community wants
And if he asks for change, then it is best to stand up and listen
Listen to those who have made "SH" what it is..........

[FAdmiral]

And multiplayer needs some work too :smug:

JIM

[Bane]

I agree completely that patch 1.3+ is needed.

While the modding community never ceases to amaze me there are things that even they can't fix, things that require a developer's attention. Please provide that attention and make SH4 the quality title it deserves to be.

[kverdon]

I heartily agree with Neal. There HAS to be a 1.3 to finish the game. I've given up on SHIV until such a patch is released. I can honestly say if Ubisoft does not release a 1.3, this will be the last Ubisoft product I purchase. I'll remind them of this fact every new title they release. I was keeping the faith till now, but if Neal is concerned then I'm WAY concerned that SHIV has been abandoned.

Kevin Verdon





It's coming up on two months since Silent Hunter 4 was released. Two patches have brought the game up to where it is stable and most of the basic features are functional, but there are still several key aspects that need attention and it's too quiet in the Ubisoft camp. I have not heard anything about the status of a third patch, which the game needs to be considered complete. Before the dev team gets too far from the construction site, Subsim is going to mount a campaign for patch v1.3. Silent Hunter 4 is an enjoyable game but has yet to reach the point where we consider it complete. The future of the Silent Hunter franchise depends on maintaining a reputation for quality.

We call on Ubisoft to complete Silent Hunter 4. We don't expect every wish to be fulfilled, but there are several key gameplay issues that loyal players and Ubisoft customers, who bought an incomplete game, deserve to have addressed. These include:

All AI needs tweaking, too often merchant ships all come to a stop and muddle around when under attack. Destroyers guarding merchants and especially in task forces occasionally seem somewhat uninterested in firing back. The Subchaser is unable to fire its main gun at all. If you mod the Subchaser to have a second gun in a raised position where the AA gun is it will fire this gun. The Akizuki DD has a similar issue, of the four guns it has only the two guns on the raised platforms actually fire. When the boat is rammed by a destroyer (for example) the destroyer generally comes of worse and often explodes.

Units of measurement: Imperial units for ship dimensions, torpedo depth gauge, range figure in the TDC and Position Keeper, all UOM issues need to be resolved.

Campaign retirement – feature or bug? Bug. Suggestion that it should be optional.

Repetitive patrols still get assigned.

Chronometer still doesn’t work as described in the manual. “The Chronometer bug”, this needs a quick and dirty fix, just a simple speed response in the text box when the Speed button is selected in the TDC, as occurs when the player clicks the Depth Beneath Keel button. But, importantly, the player should still have the choice of manually entering his own speed estimate in the TDC.

Radar needs finishing touches. It doesn't work when heading South 90deg to 270deg. Is SD radar fixed? Does is not detect ships but will detect aircraft? Also, when SD radar fitted there is no A scope display. We need your help to demonstrate the need for patch 1.3. Join the campaign here and make yourself heard. Post here. Don't hesitate or put it off. This thread will need hundreds of names to merit any attention.

Neal Stevens
Subsim

Other issues and discussion can be found in this topic. (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=531615#post531615)

[rdtwendt]

I wholeheartedly endorse Neal's call for a legitimate 1.3 patch for SH4. Our appreciation for the game's existence - even for the whole SH franchise - should not be abused to the point where its potential and the quality of it's predecessor are used to justify the game's release well short of an acceptable level of stability and quality. Patches help to fortify this potentially shattered bridge of trust, and indeed a 1.3 is entirely justified in order to validate the purchase price of this software, but they don't fix the underlying breach of confidence that this whole affair has created.

Ubisoft, we love you for producing a game like SH4 but we hate your lack of support for it. Show us you respect your customers and the dedicated subsim fan base by allowing 1.3 to be developed and released asap.

V/R,

Echo

ENS USN

[sniperpr1]

Ditto on the request we NEED patch 1.3. Silent Hunter 4 has the potential of becoming the greatest subsim ever, but we still need support from the devs. Once again, 1.3 is a must.

[donut]

Communication the key I agree.Although agreement fixes nothing,the community,asked for all these features.(be careful what you ask for you might get it !)
The features/buggy implemented as they are,might be patched ? Only UBI knows when? Integrity,& communication,are in short lacking,from sellers side of the fence.
It seems to be human nature to complain,& hearing everyones concerns,only expresses the expectation that SHI is great,SHIII Good,SHIV needs work.Sorta like; They broke a doz.eggs,now make an omelet ! Can they? SURE. Will they,unknown !
These many similar posts,are like beating a sick animal/product;to get the job done. Only option:damn:
Hope springs eternal.:sunny:

[Camaero]

Fix it or lose my business in the future. I'm not blaming devs, I am blaming UBIsoft!

[wetgoat]

Yea, please come on with a patch. At the very least, the game ought to work as stated in the manual. Looking forward to 1.3

[Von Hinten]

Well said Neal, you (and Ubi of course ;-)) got my vote for v1.3. :up:

[zylark]

The game certainly need another patch. The potential for a really stunning game is there, if only it got finished to a degree that I'm sure the devs intended and the game deserves.

[partyboy]

I stopped playing SH4 shortly after the 1.2 patch came out, hoping another patch wouldn't be too far behind and would fix some of the remaining issues. It would be extremely disappointing if 1.2 ends up being the last patch, or if a half-assed 1.3 comes out leaving some of these glaring issues to be stitched up somehow by modders.


Please don't abandon SH4, Ubi. Besides these things, it's a high quality, amazing game, and deserves much better.

[DedEye]

I read a lot here but don't usually say too much. On this I agree.

[Aisdad]

Agreed, patch 1.3 needed!!!

[MONOLITH]

and the ability to write notes on the map, among other things.

Notes on the map...... Oh god..Yes Please!

[greyrider]

Ubi, i have to stand with neal and my sh4 subsim brothers on this one.
i enjoy playing sh4 alot,
BUT!
The product is not finished, so please fix it!
we would appreciate that.
thank you in advance.

[Sea Demon]

I agree. Another patch should be released to make this thing what it should be. Like Neal said, in order to grow your fan base, you need to put out a product of interesting subject matter (accompolished), with nice features to get people hooked and wanting it (done), and it needs to have all the bugs worked out of it (we need another patch that fixes the bugs). The last part is very important to keep this type of simming alive. Please release patch 1.03.

[Harry Buttle]

I'm in total agreement with Neal here, a 1.3 patch is a requirement, not an option.

I bought SH IV on release because I'd bought SHIII on release and seen it patched from farce to superb sim.

If SH IV isn't fixed, why would I even consider buying any Ubi product until review class it as perfect?

[Stew U-582]

Further work is definatly required. I was most dissapointed with so many of the functions not working. Without the resources of subsims forums and access to mods I would have found the game un playable even with the 1.2 patch.
Fixing The Manual Speed of target issue and AI should be a priority.
I just feel sorry for the people who invested their money in what could be a great game and dont have the access or knowledge to mod it to a working state.
Allthough I do acknowledge the great work that has been done , it just seems that the product is unfinished.

Stu

[Lt commander lare]

i agree neal this i absolutley needed to complete the game but it is playable and enjoyable to work with and play it but 1.3 patch is needed to complete the sh4 game damm the torpedoes and full speed ahead

lt commander lare

[Reaves]

Where have all the fanboys gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the fanboys gone?
One more patch to go
Where have all the fanboys gone?
Bugs have crashed them every one
When will UBI ever learn?
When will UBI ever learn?

Where have all the modders gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the modders gone?
One patch ago
Where have all the modders gone?
Modding new games every one
When will UBI ever learn?
When will UBI ever learn?

Where have all the captains gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the captains gone?
One patch ago
Where have all the captains gone?
Gone to consoles every one
When will UBI ever learn?
When will UBI ever learn?

Where have all the fansites gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the fansites gone?
One patch ago
Where have all the fansites gone?
Gone to inactivity every one
When will UBI ever learn?
When will UBI ever learn?

Where have all the patches gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the patches gone?
One patch ago
Where have all the patches gone?
Covered with bugs like 1.1
When will simmers ever learn?
When will simmers ever learn?

:arrgh!:

[Mav87th]

Yea lets summon for a patch 1.3

Most of those issues there are fixes for in the community patches, but not the big rather anoying ones.

-- UOM get that fixed !!! It screws up all plotting and subsequently shooting.

-- Radar Scopes, Range Rings !!

-- Notes on Map

-- Entrys in Commanders log

-- AI improvements for the merchants

I would even give in on the chronometer if you fix the above:arrgh!:

[Tranton]

Another patch is a MUST. The game was released incomplete. The first two patches were quickly pushed out the door and were not thoroughly tested. The mixed measurements is inexcuseable. It should have been part of the Imperial measurement addition in the first patch. The broken stopwatch is also inexcuseable.

I have been patiently waiting for these critical items to get fixed before I start a career and really get deep into the game. I'm starting to lose interest though. While the game is beautiful and fun as is, it it much too distracting and annoying having to constantly find workarounds for all the problems and inconsistencies. We deserve the complete game that we all paid for.

[Miika]

I pre-ordered SH4 the very day it became available for pre-ordering here in Finland. I also updated my computer just to be SH4-ready.

I agree that the issues discussed here need to be solved; having been disappointed with the bugs I uninstalled the game, choosing to wait for a working version.

Since I like to play with full realism, but don't have the hours required, checking and testing all the mods just to make the game functions properly is unfortunately not the thing for me.

The game has great potential, though. Kinda takes me back to the (very) old times when I just had to have a Commodore 64 to play the legendary Silent Service:88).

Miika

[Zero Niner]

I fully concur wuth Neal's sentiments.
Althiugh I've purchased a copy, I've held off installing it until such time as the game approaches a playable state, which to me is a level of stability similar to that of SH3 when it was first released.

[U-Bones]

Damage reporting and control is a glaring omission from the critial list IMO.

The fact that this thread exists makes me nervous.

[NefariousKoel]

*My Signature Here*

[fire-fox]

dito..

we realy needs the patches, espashioly for radar.

[bookworm_020]

I agree the 1.3 is needed. :yep::up:

[terrapin]

I do sign the petition above, too.

[XanderF]

Obviously, this is agreed with.

Game sure is pretty right now, and the radio + gramophone is a nice combo, so cruising around the ocean looking at the sights and listening to the music is a real joy!

Shame you can't really play any GAME with it, though, as the issue with the stopwatch, ship ID book bugs, imperial/metric issues, etc make actually ATTACKING anything just about impossible.

[Bonfleck]

To whom it may concern at UBI soft. I've purchased all the Silent Hunter series and haven't even played my copy of SHIII yet :oops:! I would have bought SHIV just to add to my collection for the day I finally have a PC that will play it, but alas..........I refuse to buy 1/2 of something and won't even consider buying it until my fellow Sub Skipper brethren are satisfied with the game play/adequate patch & playability! Who ever gave ye shore leave at camp UBI soft deserves the cat o' nine tails for your unfinished endeavor. Ahoy..............B:arrgh!:

[jonass]

Petition signed. I stoped playing SH4 about a week after patch 1.2 was released since i felt that it didn't quite still measure up. Sad since it has the potential to be just about the only game on my HDD...

[vasmann]

We need patch 1.3!!!!

[AFRIKAKORPS]

I want to start playing this game on 100% realism, but with the bugs and glitches it is making it difficult.

UBI, understand our plight and start working on 1.3!

[DiveMonkey]

Gets my vote :up:
We need 1.3

[FooFighters]

You have my signature :up:

Please UBI.. Let the devs solve the bugs that are still there !

[Greentimbers]

Yes, additional patches are required.
I purchased 2 copies of SHIV, both of them directly from the UBI store. I did my part, now let's see if UBI will do theirs.

Cheers

[Skweetis]

/signed James "Skweetis" McQueen

[Von Stormin]

Absolutely Neal... Count me in on this one as well...

[bruschi sauro]

I support Neal's statement.:up:
I agree completely that patch 1.3+1.4 is needed.:up:
The game in this moment in inconceivable:shifty:

PLEASE SEND THOSE MESSAGES TO UBI:shifty:

[bruschi sauro]

lotta dura e senza paura
go ahead...

[Piratebear]

/signed :up:

For Christ's sake, please finish the game, Ubi!

:damn: Sometimes it's hardly even playable...

Please everybody sign this petition. Tell the other forums, too. Maybe we can centralize this thing.

[Mikkow]

I consider the product broken still at version 1.2. And I paid good money to get it early on. To not deliver it to completion is fraudelent, and I'd do my best to stop others and myself from buying anything UBI again.

Fix it good. It'll become quite great once it's fixed and the community has their little fun, too.

~ Mikko G. of Sweden

[McBeck]

I second Neal!

We need 1.3!

[Duke_Wellington_1st]

100% agree. UBI should not add itself to the ever growing list of irresponsible software publishers. So far for me I wont be buying anymore of there products unless they fix this unfinished business.

great thread.

[kurtz]

Ubisoftif SHIV worked I'd buy 'till the I'll be playing SHIII

....mean it!

Mike

[DragonRR1]

UBI, at least 1 more patch is essential! Please do not let the community and yourselves down!

[clayton]

My vote for 1.3!

[ReM]

1.3, bring it!

[rodan54]

Please Ubisoft, don't leave your loyal customers haggin'. Give SHIV one more decent patch, that's all we're asking.

[Taurolas]

Hats off to Neil. :up:

I completely agree with all of the comments posted by Neil and the rest of the subsim community, this game could be so much more.
Come on UBI give the dev team time to fix it, possibly release the SDK if it comes to that so that some of the well known and very competent modders that we have in the SH4 forums could resolve these issues.

My thanks to those competent modders who have helped keep this game alive :up:

[DanCanovas]

we want 1.3 and full product support for the future, we don't want a half finished product and we don;t want a half hearted 1.3 patch and then nothing else.

Dan

[USS_shipmaster]

About UBIsoft SH4 early release:
the poor family sending a telex about death of grandfather.
-How much the price per word?
-1 dollar.
- OK Send it: " Grannys gone"
and in 1 hour they got answer from theireven more poor relatives
"Oops"
(http://www.computergames.ro/en/games/viewitem/id/832/name/silent-hunter-4-wolves-of-the-pacific/section/review.html)

[USS_shipmaster]

I totally agree with Neal Stevens and his list of most imortant bugs / features that have to be sovled by UBIsoft. It is in the best interest of ubisoft also. Most of reviews point at gameplaybugs and solving this issue will also help to continue to sell sh4.
Subsim modders did their part, improving everything that can possibly be improved without intervention in the game code. Now its UBI turn.
VK
Look at last review
SH4 Review
by Computer Games.ro
(http://www.computergames.ro/en/games/viewitem/id/832/name/silent-hunter-4-wolves-of-the-pacific/section/review.html)

[pops933]

Totally agree, come on Ubisoft patch 1.3 is needed,fast.The modders do a great job but its your job to give us a fully working sim in the first place.

[Fabrice]

+1
We need at least one another patch to correct the most annoying issues :shifty:

[Jimbuna]

we want 1.3 and full product support for the future, we don't want a half finished product and we don;t want a half hearted 1.3 patch and then nothing else.

Dan

DITTO :yep:

My game is sitting on a shelf in my computer room /lair :damn:

[USS_shipmaster]

Interesting fact: direct 2 drive (digital download site)putted away sh3 from download when SH4 was released. Now it is (sh3) again "downloadable ".
:know:

[kakemann]

I totally agree with Neal! :up: We need the issues fixed!

Jon from Norway!

[BlackSpot]

Agreed. I fully support this thread.

[Safe-Keeper]

Yes, patch 1,3 is necessary, along with, probably, a patch 4.

[ChrisiHo]

I agree ! We need 1.3

[GakunGak]

Totally agree, come on Ubisoft patch 1.3 is needed,fast.The modders do a great job but its your job to give us a fully working sim in the first place.
1. Bold: Agree 100%!!!:up:
2. Italic, Underline: Do not agree 100% as they should not rush this thing, it could get things worse....
My vote for 1.3:up:

[DURUK]

seems like we're all supporting this..
bring it on UBI..

[Gucc475]

Totally agree.

The developers have every right to be proud of their efforts so far and I'm sure they would like to see it finished, my great fear is that, as this is an inhouse team, Ubisoft may be over eager to reassign them to other projects (and that may be the reason the game was rushed out in the first place).

Software development seems to be one of the few industries where companies can release sub-standard or defective products and not wind up in court or out of business - but all things change!

Silent Hunter IV is so close to brilliance it hurts and that is coming from a self-confessed RTS nut not a hardcore simmer!

PS As this is the first time I have posted on this forum, I would just like to say a personal thank you to everyone who has offered their great advice, expertise and experiences (not to mention mods) on these pages - you guys are responsible for getting me hooked on SH III - YOU ROCK!:D

To UBISOFT - you are unbelievably lucky to have a community like this supporting one of your products - DON'T DESERT THEM NOW!

[hector]

Supported,we need 1.3

Hector.

[Torpex752]

I agree With Neals List and his reasoning. My hope in addition to the list he mentioned is that the Damage control get a few tweaks here and there, or tell us what values to adjust and let the modders have at it.

[daft]

*signs*

The devs and us consumers have earned the right to see SH4 finished. Get to it Ubi. :)

[Brigs]

I agree with the original post 100%, and also request that Ubisoft and the dev team fix the remaining bugs in the software.

[JScones]

We need your help to demonstrate the need for patch 1.3. Join the campaign here and make yourself heard. Post here. Don't hesitate or put it off. This thread will need hundreds of names to merit any attention.
Don't delay! Phone today! Only $19.95 plus postage! (p&h = $29.95).

Couldn't resist.

Seriously though, a new patch might actually convince me to reinstall SH4, so consider me as "signed". :up:

As it is the game is what I term only a "mediocre" game.
Neal, thoughts pls? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Von Tonner]

I think it is totally criminal and down right dishonest to bring a product to the market place with full knowledge that it is incomplete and buggy . To rely on modders to make this game playable is shameless and does UBI no credit whatsoever within the gaming community. I fully support Neal.

[Front Runner]

We need at least a 1.3 patch to make SH4 the game I thought I was purchasing.

UBI please acknowledge.

November Kilo Tango Lima - over.....

[Skybird]

I'm a little bit surprised to see such a relatively "tough" :) going for the developer taking place here, since usually there is plenty of forgiveness for navy-game's flaws and issues displayed. But okay, of course I support this, if for no other than principal reasons. I have stayed away from SH4 so far, but silently watched the forum, and took note of the feedback. If the game stays like this, I intend to stay away from SH4 for much, much time longer.Good luck, I really wish you success with this petition, Neal.

[Brassusdk]

My vote for 1.3! :up:

[capt_frank]

I'm in.

[rich57]

Give Neal a Medal
I for one have been a "reader" of subsim.com for years and have played with complete enjoyment SH2+SH3.Firstly ,my respect to UBI devs and modders out there.It was not till SH4 that I felt I had to post ....the game is stunning and with a few bugs fixed,playable. Keep up the good work....please.
"my main erk is the inability to see out the war and finish with a crew full of medals"...oh well
There are many other companies also releasing unfinished products.... games I have bought and not played again after too many ctds or bugs galore; Imperial Glory/The Guild 2 come to mind,a waste of money ,SH4 is not a waste of money but to be honest it is on the shelf till I read here that it has been patched.

[CaptainCox]

100% support for a 1.3 NOW! common guys, you can do it!

[solex]

Yarr!

It needs to be patched!

[Bilge_Rat]

Go Neal Go!

The more patches the better. :up:

[danlisa]

I have not purchased SH4 yet and I won't until this community can convince me to, at the moment I get a mixed feelings about this game.

A 1.3 Patch and more may be required to make this title a keeper.:up:

Signed.:D

If you (UBI) are not inclined to finish the game then let the talented modders around the world finish it for you. SDK please!:up:

[CaptainCox]

Oh yea, an SDK would be schweeeeet indeed!

[donath]

SH4 does the United States Navy a dis-service.

[Cobber]

I have not read all the posts on this thread but I heartily agree with Neals comments.

I have greatly enjoyed all incarnations of Silent Hunter but feel that the latest, although great in "eye candy", is the most incomplete version to date. There is nothing worse than paying good money for a game/sim to find it so blatantly in need of patches in order to deliver a playable format that represents reality. If I wanted to play arcade type action I'd play Enigma: Rising Tide.

There is nothing more infuriating than to spend the best part of $100 AUD ($75 US) on incomplete software. I would have prefered to wait another 6 months to get a finished, quality product. Ubisoft get your act together and deliver a finished product to be proud of, we know you are better than this.

[Chock]

I've gone out on a limb several times to defend UBISOFT and the developers in threads on subsim whenever a critical review has appeared; stating that the review should take into account the probability that a further patch would most likely sort things out.

So don't disappoint me UBI, I've stuck up for you, now stick up for all your customers and give SH4 that final polishing it so desperately needs! You have all the research and testing info necessary available to you by simply looking on the subsim forums.

Signed, Chock - buyer of every single Silent Hunter game from the start, including all the Commander stuff

[joea]

Please, I bought the game knowing my computer would not run it with faith it would be fully patched and modded by the time I get my new computer! I showed my faith please don't let me and all of us down!!

[perisher]

1.3 is essential to keep customer confidence in this series of games. You have a reputation for producing the best sub sims, please try and live up to it.

[fredbass]

1.2 is not good enough, UBI.

Signed

[Stary Wuj]

Don't forget about missing sounds and flickering textures please.

Best Regards

Stary Wuj

[grunf]

Agreed.

Although i am for the 1.3 patch, i would not like to see it rushed out like the game itself was.

I think that a mere: "We are working on 1.3 patch for SH IV, and will deliver it when it is ready", from UBISOFT would be enough to keep the sharks at bay.

[fumblyoldcarpenter]

Agreed.

Although i am for the 1.3 patch, i would not like to see it rushed out like the game itself was.

I think that a mere: "We are working on 1.3 patch for SH IV, and will deliver it when it is ready", from UBISOFT would be enough to keep the sharks at bay.

I like this idea :roll:, it's been to quiet.

fumbly

[Arctic Fox]

I support this request wholeheartedly. What sort of legacy would be leave for the blood sweat & tears put into it by the development team if it were left unfinished?:-?

[klh]

I hadn't even considered the possibility that a reputable company like Ubisoft would not deliver another patch. There are too many basic features not yet functioning properly. Please finish it.

[KrvKpt. Falke]

Unpatched Silent Hunter IV will be remembered as buggy crappy game.
Patched SHIV will be remembered as best sub-simulation ever created and in 10 years we will be glorifying it as we do it today with AOTD or Silent Service.

So, don't stop now, Ubi!

[Tobus]

:up: Fix it UBI! :up:

[Ship Hunter]

Agree!!! We need the 1.3 Patch with ALL the fixes in it!!!

[Nate8thcvi]

Yes, I support this.

[Bill.Braskey]

The issue with the Convoy AI coming to a stop when it is attacked is not a software bug.
The issue with the Chronometer not working is not a software bug.

During development, software is tested and there will always be things that slip through these tests.

There is no way that the developers did not know that both of those things and many others were not functioning when this game was released.

The AI is fundamental to this game being realistic. There is no challenge in picking off a group of ships just floating around.

At the very least, there needs to be an official announcement from UBI that these issues will be addressed.

Thank you Neal for your post and to all others that took the time to reply.

[Hitman]

Go for 1.3 UBI:up: I bought the game, so I have done my part of the deal. Now give us another good reason to keep loving the SH4 series:up:

[Lornyk5]

This is my first post but I feel like I know many of you, been lurking for a long time. I would like to thank this community and Neal. If I don't get my dose of coffee and subs everyday I would go mad, my wife thinks it's too late for help already. :doh:

On Topic: Sign me up!

[gouldjg]

Well I am afraid my game has sat on shelf for some time now.

At first I thought I was phasing out of the game genre after so much fun with SH3 but I realised I stopped taking interest because support is much slower than the last release (plus I think sub damage interface is dull).

I used to hover in the UBI forums at SH3's birth and must say, good old UBIRAZZ and some devs, gathered enthusiasm for SH3 and took more interest.

This release (and i hate to have to say it) feels like a EA game and I don't see too much going on in the communications side.

Now maybe Im getting old and grumpy as far as gaming goes, but I now just play paradox games coz I know they get supported and have half decent gameplay even when broke early on.

At least it saves me money now I am more fussy. (last year I must have spent close to grand on games for me and the kids ps2, all of which have been traded)

My collection is now

SH4 = Dont play and am desperate to see more patches (5 out of 10):down:
HOI doomsday = do play and enjoy in its current form (8 out of 10):up:
EU III = bloody hooked on and looking forward to its future patches (10 out of 10):rock:
BF2 = Got to blast someone sometimes but not too keen (6 out of 10);)

Oh and WOW of which at lvl 30 is wearing thin but my girl loves it so Im stuck with it:-?

Come on UBI

Don't go onto my buy with extreme caution list i.e. wait 5 months before buying:damn:

[Lord Axel]

I agree with everything Neal says.
We need 1.3 patch.

[Meridian]

Adding my name the list.

We NEED a 1.3 patch to fix this sim.

[longam]

Seems to be a love - hate relationship every time I play. Next patch please!

[Bear]

I have been a fan of the SH series since SH2. I thought that SH3 was the best ever, after the Dev Team listened to the Subsim community SH3 and made adjustments. NOW, they have a chance to create the Greatest Subsim in history. But they have stopped short of their potential. There are a lot of things I really like about SH4, BUTT there are a number of bugs and complications that are keeping this Sim on store shelves. In my opinion there were a lot of things that could have just been switched over from SH3 that would have kept this game stable, but they went to far off the board.

There are a lot of brillant minds in this community (mine is not one of them) that could and most likely help to make this Sim the greatest WW2 sim ever concieved, IF they would but listen.

In WW2, we as a nation were committed to seeing the task through to the end. Sadly in the three wars after, we have not had the courage of our convictions. UBI, please complete what you started. Live up to the quality which we belive you are capable. Make a third patch, and be willing to make a forth if necessary. Do what it takes to complete the task.

[OlegM]

I support this petition as a matter of principle. :up:

However....

"Early retirement" has been discussed to death, and I don't think it can be qualified as "bug". I like it the way it is. I would not be hurt if the new option is included for those who wish their careers to be *unrealistic* and neverenending but for me personally it means nothing as I would continue to play using realistically short campaign option. So it's neither a bug, nor very important IMO.

Destroyers in surface fights are completely wrong though (my biggest gripe with the game currently).

And multiplayer.... I am yet to play one single minute of this famed adversarial mode - enough said.

[donw]

Totally agree with Neal. :up:
For petes sake Ubi...finish what you started...PLEASE!

[Whiskey]

Hi, i agree, i am signing this petition as well.

Whiskey

[darkfin]

I totally agree 100%. We need AT LEAST on more patch. It's a shame that it takes all this just for the developer, who knows things are broke, to get them to fix it. It's bad when the manual says you can do things that aren't even implemented, or broke, in game.

[Uber Gruber]

I've worked in IT software development for 22 years, from simple programmer all the way to Technical Director and I am appauled by the way in which you, UBI, have handled the release of this game. It sits on my shelf awaiting a patch that will make the game function correctly. I have taken the decision to never purchase any UBI software again until this issue is resolved.

Quite frankly, you give "Software Development" a bad name.

[MarshalLaw]

signed:up:

I agree this game is unfinished and I personally have put it on the shelf once the 1.2 patch came out. UBI your close on this don't quit now :stare: :stare:

[flintlock]

Yes, please patch SH4.

To be honest, it's disappointing as well as incredibly frustrating that a thread with a plea like this even needs to be initiated by Neal. One would think that a publisher couldn't in good conscience abandon a title in such an unfinished state. Moreover, you would expect Ubisoft to fix their product without the community feeling the need to resort to begging or initiating a petition.

Again, please Ubisoft--fix your product, at least to a remotely reasonable level.

[Shipwreck]

PLEASE!! Ubi, step up and do the right thing. :up:

Thank you.
SW

[MDykas]

Yes I agree................... Please give us another patch.

[DeerHunter UK]

I can only but echo Neal's sentiments, SH4 still has an unfinished quality about it. The various bugs need addressing, my current bug is the non crewable deck gun which plagues my sub at the moment. Please developers, do not leave your customers in the dark much longer.

[Steeltrap]

How can anyone not agree??

I payed $100 here for this "sim". I find it so badly flawed I simply don't play it at all.

* Fix radar
* Fix AI (especially DD's responses)
* Fix damage models (i.e. subs do NOT fight DDs on surface.....)
* Fix aircraft (number of patrols encountered and ease with which they are destroyed)
* Fix units of measurement to a standard in ALL areas (TDC, recognition manual etc...)
* Fix save game issues

I could go on, but that list above is enough to show that I think there is a moral responsibility on the part of Ubi/Devs to fix the product OR announce they won't and allow me to claim a full refund.

[TopCat]

Entirely agree to Neal!
:rock:

[Argus00]

HUGE potential SH4 had to knock everything else off the shelves, a potential blown away by a marketing decision. The looks of the game are indeed awesome and the best in any naval sim yet (granted, they're still tweakable here and there), however looks aren't enough.

Things I'd like fixed in upcoming 1.3(+) patch:

- Neal's points;
- better multiplayer.

Oh - and Technical Support contacts in ROMANIA would also be a nice touch :doh:

[Kingcobra24]

With as many bugs and glitches this sim has, it'll take more...a LOT more...than just one more patch. SH3 had fewer glitches and problems, and it took FOUR patches to make it halfway playable. And just like SH4, the modders have had to do Ubisoft's work for them. The modders do the work of the developers, and the developers get the large paychecks. (Those who do not learn from the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it)

:lurk:

[Stryker412]

Yes please don't forget Multiplayer. Too often it's forgotten.

[Limerick]

I agree. Petition signed.

[tater]

A third patch is the bare minimum for the game to function as advertized.

If the game is to be what it could be, such a patch will also require some work above and beyond the substantial work required to make it functional.

Signed.

tater

[Marko_Ramius]

I second Neal's demand :

SH4 need at last one more patch. It's a great game, don't let it down.

[Iron Budokan]

Neal is correct. Please, UBI, listen to him. And us.

[scubaDon]

Ubisoft, your DEV team has created the most visually stunning sub sim ever, but patch 1.3 is necessary to allow them to fix some critical bugs that are still present in the game.

Please don't quit on the game now. You're so close to producing something really special. Give these Guys one more patch to fix this game, and let us all be proud of Silent Hunter 4.

Thanks,

Terry!

AMEN!!!

[PepsiCan]

Yes, UbiSoft needs to come out with at least one more patch.

- Chronometer: regardless of whether it is a must have or not, it doesn't work as described in the manual so it needs fixing
- Radar: annoying that it doesn't work and that air radar also picks up ships
- Some graphical glitches still exist in the game
- AI sometimes shows that the 'I' in 'AI' is not present.

So, don't let my €44 go to waist and please bring out the patch.

[jdkbph]

SH4 is a seriously broken game. Without the mods, it would be all but unplayable as intended.

UBI either needs to STEP UP and fix it, or STEP AWAY and release the development tools (SDK?) to the community.

JD

[stuntcow]

I support and back what Neal Stated.....

[Syxx_Killer]

I don't have SHIV and in its current state do not plan on getting it. However, if Ubi can fix the most problematic bugs listed and finish the game right, I will get it. So, yes, I am in full support of a patch 1.3. :yep:

[gutterrat13]

I agree too! The game is good. A patch could make it great.

[Dane]

Ubi, we need the fix. Without it, I haven't played SH4 for more than a week. I need a fix!

[wireman]

man, so much griping.:rotfl:

[Jas451]

Have played every Silent Hunter. Totally agree with Neal. This game not finished, needs to be fixed

[KLCARROLL]

Yes, a V1.3 patch is an absolute necessity!

[pcelt]

I totally agree with all Neal's items----and would underline in particular the first issue related to credible Convoy behaviour when under attack---this activity lies at the very core of the game and believable Japanese tactics here are essential to any real immersiveness in the game.

[pcelt]

I totally agree with all Neal's items----and would underline in particular the first issue related to credible Convoy behaviour when under attack---this activity lies at the very core of the game and believable Japanese tactics here are essential to any real immersiveness in the game.

[crash924]

I agree that the devs need to finish patching what promises to be a great game...it took me over 4 hours of hard work to earn the money to buy this game, and I expected a finished product. If I were to do my job the same as UBI has done this game, I would be out of work very quickly and unable to purchase any other UBI products, which reduces UBI profits...if this happens with hundreds or thousands of customers, UBI ceases to exist...UBI please take a hint...
Charli
crash924@aol.com

[bruschi sauro]

SH4 is a seriously broken game. Without the mods, it would be all but unplayable as intended.

UBI either needs to STEP UP and fix it, or STEP AWAY and release the development tools (SDK?) to the community.

JDyou are right:rock:

[Yanaran]

I agree with Neal's post and would also like to add my personal no1 issue that not a single ship in the game zig-zags, something pretty much every ship did during the war to avoid torpedoes.


We know it can be done since all convoys and taskforces do it *after* they come under attack (or rather constant helming), so just turn some switch to make them do it always. :up:

[Reece]

Well, I have SHIV but uninstalled it! :-? Untill it's had a few issues (hard coded problems) fixed with a decent patch I wont be reinstalling it!:stare:

[U-Bones]

Actually I expect patch 1.4 also, because I do not believe that the devs will be able to do the game justice in one patch.

I reserve the right to be wrong, and will happily retract that statement if I am proven wrong when 1.3 is released.

I am starting to see this thread as an assist from subsim in managed expectations. Last week we get a peep from Germany that the devs have returned from a rest and will be announcing patch plans. This week we get this sudden almost panicked petition to please do another patch. My take on this is that this is all pre announcement damage control and that 1.4 will never see the light of day.

So yes, please, give us another patch, but make it quality.

You only get off the hook for a fouth patch if you fix it in three. Manage that expectation.

[akdavis]

Actually I expect patch 1.4 also, because I do not believe that the devs will be able to do the game justice in one patch.

I reserve the right to be wrong, and will happily retract that statement if I am proven wrong when 1.3 is released.

I am starting to see this thread as an assist from subsim in managed expectations. Last week we get a peep from Germany that the devs have returned from a rest and will be announcing patch plans. This week we get this sudden almost panicked petition to please do another patch. My take on this is that this is all pre announcement damage control and that 1.4 will never see the light of day.

So yes, please, give us another patch, but make it quality.

You only get off the hook for a fouth patch if you fix it in three. Manage that expectation.

You are right. There are just too many problems, and the complexity of some is likely to introduce new bugs with a fix. The complete silence is a very bad sign.

[jerryt]

Signed :up: I'm having fun with it using mods, but yeah, lets get it finished.

[Fritz Wagner]

The reviews to date have nailed the problems.

If the Ubisoft people can't be bothered, then perhaps once the
revenue stream has dried up, which won't be long as things
stand now, open the code as a gpl for us to finish the job.:lol:

Cordially,

Fritz Wagner

[digitizedsoul]

I agree with Neal, Beery, CCIP & TDK.

Everyone else, well you kinda have the same idea as them, only you add a certain degree of "whininess" to your statements that make me agree with them instead :)

Must have another patch. I too have played every silent hunter (including II) BLEH and this stuff has to be fixed.

UBI, if you don't want to fix it, RELEASE AN SDK SO WE CAN!

[rdhiggins]

/signed :sunny:

[jtm55]

Hi All

I can only echo Neal's sentiments. Silent Hunter 4 needs another patch. Please Listen to Us UBI Soft.

[Julius Caesar]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c239/goldfinger35/doit.jpg

[Tracer]

Signed:
The ball is in your court UBI :down:

[SteamWake]

It's coming up on two months since Silent Hunter 4 was released. Two patches have brought the game up to where it is stable and most of the basic features are functional,

If I was a company I wouldent consider that a ringing endorsement.

A patch is most definatly not "desired" but needed.

Radar doesent function when facing west... pffffff. :hmm:

[Loaf]

As long there are features in the manual that do not work in the game, it is not finished.

I have purchased all 4 SH games...

UBI: Release another patch or release the source code and let the modders do it.

[jhelix70]

As long there are features in the manual that do not work in the game, it is not finished.


Careful, you might tempt them into releasing a patch for the manual and not the game!!

The very poor documentation is just another sign of the rushed release.

[CaptainNemo]

The whole german Aces of the Deep community ( www.acesofthedeep.com (http://www.acesofthedeep.com)) joins and supports the campaign! :up:

[EmeAzul]

Ubisoft, I fully endorse this patch request, even though I have yet to purchase SH4. I've been a great fan of the whole Silent Hunter series, starting with SH1 Commanders Edition, going on to the well modded SH2 Pacific Aces and now with the excellent SH3 Grey Wolfes Expansion.

I am really drawn to the War in the Pacific, but the general concensus of SH4 in its current state makes me hesitate to make the purchase. I wonder how many potential customers you have out there in the Sub Sim community that are just waiting for you to finish the product? My guess is that you will see dramatic increases in SH4 sales if you follow through and fix the remaining issues. In addition, you will garner considerable credibility with our community, which should position you nicely for SH5 and related future projects.

EmeAzul

[Notewire]

I personally won't buy this game until it becomes more refined, and approved by sage's such as Uncle Neil.

Notewire

[Omnissiah]

I agree a thousand percent with everything Neal has stated.

Men of Ubisoft, remember your oath! Make SHIV the game it was meant to be!

[Steppenwolf]

Consider this another vote for a 1.3 patch.

[Laffertytig]

i havent purchased SH4 yet although i was on the verge of buyin it just b4 the 2nd patch came out but after reading about all the things that still arent fixed i changed my mind. pretty shocked to see neal makin a public post like this as i just assumed SH4 would receive the same patching that SH3 did. surely UBI wont leave SH4 in its current state

cmon UBI, develop this game into the classic it deserves to be

[hobnailboot]

Ubisoft at least finish what you started or give us the SDK and let the Modders finish it. It would be nice if they would at least tell us what is happening.

[Driftwood]

Count my vote too! As previously stated Neil represents the entire subsim community and I completely support these efforts. Come on UBISOFT.....lets get this show (1.3) on the road! :arrgh!:

[RocketDog]

Patch the sucker.

RD.

[Garion]

The Game needs to patched until it is functioning properly and as advertised.

The idea that software companies have that its ok to abandon a product before it's complete is, to me at least, nonsense and in anycase illegal in the Uk where we have very strict laws on advertising and selling.

Is it as advertised?

Fit for purpose?

Have we been misled?

Its not the devs fault, but the publishers..... Sooo any rich peeps out there want to sue them? :stare:

Cheers

Garion

[kikn79]

Without the modding community, this game is almost unplayable in its 1.2 state. Bring on 1.3. (Oh, and FIX things in this patch FCOL!!!!)

Chuck

[Wilcke]

I agree with Neal, Beery, CCIP & TDK.

I have already purchased two copies of SH4, I like what I see, except for the glaring problems of an all too early release. I promise to purchase two more if you properly support the dev team in putting out more patches.

WE must have a patch, the only reason I ever got into Sub sims was because of the quality of the mods available for SH3! SH4 can be an excellent sim, give us the patch!
UBI, if you don't want to fix it, RELEASE AN SDK SO THE MODS CAN!


Wilcke

[Jace11]

I have fixes (proper fixes not workarounds) for the akizuki and subchaser guns. I posted them but didnt make a big fuss about them, or promote them etc.. maybe I should upload them again.

Regards AI of merchants, I found two the other day, both were crew level veteran. I made a submerged approach. I sunk the lead ship, then surfaced near the Nagara that was trailing and unarmed.. weird things then happened...

The second merchant instead of stopping, made a complete course change, showed me her stern and ran away...!!!!!

I fired a few shots at her but wanted to torpedo her (my deck gun was only a 3"inch and modded to less demage). I caught up with her on her beam, and she turned away again..!!!!


She definatley did not stop and wait to die... weird!!! Cause I have seen that too...

May be something to do with the veteren level, but I checked the merchant layer in the editor and noticed that the area I attacked in was a waypoint for this merchant with a large radius for random movement, maybe that had something to do with what I saw.. maybe it was cause she was unarmed... but I think there is AI there it is just not being implimented properly..

[rick_w_4]

Another vote for at least one more patch to fix the hardcoded issues and give the mod folks a reliable base to turn this into a classic.

[MaciejK]

I echo all voices for nextpatch, and the next one,too.

Maciej

[castorp345]

ditto to all the above

patch 1.3 ought to be a must-do for Ubi to maintain their paying base...
'would be a HUGE dissapointment if SH4 were to be abandoned in the state it's in now!

[wrrichard]

Please continue to create patches until the game works properly.

[trebby]

Ubi,

I fully agree with Neal. Paid hard earned money for the deluxe version as preorder.
I trust u guys to fix it properly!


Cheers, trebby66

[The General]

We all heard Neal's voice during one of the video's he posted of him visiting The Devs. "You sent me to war with training torps!?"

I've thought since then that he would make an excellent voice actor for SH5!

Anyway, (although this sentiment mirrors that of the thread called: Patch 1.2 Bug Thread) I just wanted to stand up and be counted among the supporters of this campaign. :up:

[General Tso]

UBI please release at least one more patch that fixes all the problems listed by Neal. These problems, when combined have caused me to stop playing the game (at least for now). At this stage I would hesitate to buy a sequel.

[Iceberg]

Yep! I agree. Definitely needs another patch to fix all those bugs.

We paid for a complete product, if it wasn't possible to deliver it complete then patch it please.

[renaissanceman]

This sim shows so much potential, it would be a shame if the devs were not allowed to fix the worst of the hard coded bugs at the very least. I also puchased 2 copies to show my support, please UBI, don't let us down!

[LZ_Baker]

We need a patch. This lack of info and tower of bugs is unacceptable!

[bocheetus]

I have been a fan since sh3, and one of the reasons I purchased a new computer was that my old one could not render sh4. I echo all the others who are asking for only what is absolutely needed. I really like this game. It is very immersive, and an obviously large amount of work went into its creation. I never played the game pre-1.2, but I am still very dissappointed in the bugs that reamain. Maybe we cannot ever have it work as the manual says, but there are several critical problems with the way it works right now. For me, the biggest problem is the Unit of Measure problems. Without this and the other issues mentioned previously, this game is unfinished. I am used to these companies releasing games before they have their bugs worked out, and I am patient as well. I am asking for only what was promised by them in the first place.

BTW, I would like notations next to all TDC entries(speed, distance, torpedoe running depth, etc.) to have their appropriate UOM next to them. I am most comfortable with Imperial units. For example, I would like to know if I am setting running depth in yards or feet or nautical miles for that matter.

I am hearby signing this thar' petition.

[Sulikate]

I support the idea. We need a new patch to make fully operational the product we bought.

[AVGWarhawk]

Yes, another patch is needed (1.3, 1.4) to make this game 100%. All points of order as originally posted by Neal seem to cover what is needed. Thanks for the support!

[Payoff]

Agreed! Please finish the product with further patches. In addition to the list.

As I consider the external cams a cheat, I wont use it in my campaign & sounds are really your only link to whats going on outside your boat.

*Reverse the sounds/diving motion in the interior.(I'm surprised more hardcore simmers are'nt upset with this.)

*Fix the hydrophone at PD/make sonar operator more useful.

*Damage control issues.

[Penelope_Grey]

Hello, I support the need for more patches for Sh4 then I may actually play it.

[Elder-Pirate]

UBIsoft it seems that not only SH4 is a badly published product by you and if you remain to keep doing so I fear this may be in your front yard soon. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/oleman/forsale.gif


PLEASE let the SH4 devs make a 1.3 patch and another if necessary, it could be for your benefit as well and I'm sure you would like that.

[Catfish]

Hello,
i do not know why patches should be limited to a certain "number" - surely problems need to be fixed.
Ubi, the romanian team surely did a good job, but crashes in the game as well as inconsistencies with metric/imperial measurements do not live up to hopes and advertisement, and the usual high quality of Ubi games. I take it you have read some of the critics ?
I have a german game i got from a friend while waiting for my subsim.com copy. He handed the sim to me because as he said "i never saw so much bugs and flaws in a software, and i have seen a lot!", and he just got tired.
Please, fix at least the major issues.
Otherwise thanks for making the sim possible - :rock:
Greetings,
Catfish

[nikbear]

I totally support what neal has said and hope ubisoft continue with they're patches and work for SHIV,I have not purchased SHIV simply because of these problems but should they be rectified I woudn't hesitate to buy it.So come on ubisoft finish what you started and give people another classic(with the help of the modders;) )they can play for years to come:up:

[Kaleun Suhren]

Ahoi Kaleuns;...

I will be with you and i vote for a patch 1.3+ for SILENT HUNTER 4. UBI "P_L_E_A_S_E" dont leave this Community and Help Us.:cry:

[jmanwell]

I would like to see another patch from Ubi as well. SH3 was patched to 1.4; we should at least get a 1.3 patch for SH4.

[gg.]

UBI, release another patch or give us back our money (or at least an half)...

[bsalyers]

I agree. I love this franchise, but SH4 is not finished. We all feel the same...

Now what? How do we pressure/beg/cajole Ubisoft to release another patch?

[heartc]

I agree with Neal. A third patch is needed. As of now, the game is still incomplete until the issues in the list that Neal brought up are dealt with.

[Sonarman]

These reviews speak volumes... Please Ubisoft, we are only a few brushstrokes short of a masterpiece, let the dev team finish the job and we will all be there waiting for Silent Hunter 5 and Destroyer Command 2 to come sailing into port!

IGN
"There’s a lot to like about the latest entry in the Silent Hunter war. The change to the Pacific theatre sees new subs, news targets and most importantly, a lovely range of new mission types. Sadly, it’s obvious that the game has been rushed. We’re used to sims being buggy, but for the fourth in the series we’d hoped for more."

Gamespy
"There's a definite lack of polish and far too many bugs, even a couple of patches and a month after its release. On one hand, since hardcore sims are so few and far between, we should be thankful for what we get. But on the other hand, how many shortcuts should we overlook out of sheer gratitude? There's no denying that there's some wonderful work here, and it's a shame that it's so inaccessible and uneven. But even for those of us who are inclined to stick with it, Silent Hunter: Wolves of the Pacific is a profoundly frustrating experience, in large part because of how close it is to being sublime. "

Firing Squad
"Nothing would be so pleasing as to say that Silent Hunter: Wolves of the Pacific is a worthy successor to Silent Hunter III, an evolutionary improvement over the latter game. Sadly, due to the bugs it has even after two patches and the interface problems, it's difficult to give that glowing an endorsement."

Computer Games Online RO
"With some more polish, SH4 has the potential to surpass its predecessor and to take its rightful place as the best submarine simulator ever made"

PC Gamer
"In the weeks ahead--maybe even by the time you read this--Silent Hunter 4 will likely grow into the sub-sim classic its ambitious designers intended. It's just too bad that the out-of-the-box version narrowly missed the boat. "

Game Almighty
"Silent Hunter features countless bugs you'll find on every machine, and this is unforgivable. It's a betrayal to a loyal fanbase and a detriment to gaining new fans. Unfortunately, it's also an exact replay of what happened two years ago when Silent Hunter III shipped. Deja'vu all over again, as Yogi Berra once said. "

GameShark
"The shipped version of Silent Hunter IV feels like little more than a half-working teaser of things to come. "

[supposedtobeworking]

Ubisoft...if you have any concern for releasing quality products and keeping your customer base then this game must be finished. SH2 was a bust....SH3 was finally made salvagable...SH4? We have yet to see...I do know that if you want to sell games like this..then you won't be selling them much longer...if SH4 is not patched then the first and last place I will look for Ubisoft games is in the bargain bin, if I look at all and I know there are many others who feel the same way. I'm not going to spend $50 for an unfinished product again.

[TripleDaddy]

Finish what you have started.

Please?

[don1reed]

I'd like to add my name to this petition for Ubi to do the right thing and get this sim completed.

[Banquet]

Add me to the list.. another patch is necessary

[listerlives]

Ctd Ctd Ctd....

[sgt.weasle]

1.3 please..

[melin71]

I sign in for this one....i have even stop playing becourse the most needed patch.

[Txema]

Silent Hunter 4 needs at least another pacth.

UBISOFT, please, let the team finish the game !!!


Txema

[jimimadrid]

I think UBISOFT knows that SH4 need another patch. Therefore go on and do it. We will thanks that.

[Max Theisen]

100 % agree.

[Dustyboats]

Ubisoft and Developers of SH4. Archimedes had to fill the bath with water until he could immerse himself sufficiently to find that "A Body Immersed in Water Displaces its Own Weight in Water". As so many of us wish to immerse ourselves in this game, without repeatedly refering to our Forum to enquire, "Is this a bug or built in portion of the game?", to begin to play the game. Could you bring out that much needed PATCH 1.3. Many of us feel the bath is only half full.....how can we then shout "Eureka!!"....

[terrapin]

Just asked my little lad Tim...he said: 'Dad, SH4 looks better, but it does not work right...right?'

So another name on the list...:-?

[hawk2495]

am i the only one who hasnt posted yet? lol
as for the 1.3 patch bring it on. make this already awesome game what it was truly meant to be. it is your destiny UBI.:|\\

[dkbos]

I agree as well. Another few fixes are needed. Thank you Neal for starting the thread.

[ronh42]

Make a good game GREAT, please patch it. Thanks.

[orangenee]

I'll sign on to this, though I haven't been able to play it for a week, the game needs a damn good fixing.

[Immacolata]

I'd really appreciate if another patch would be released. One that fixes the big issues that neal put forth. Take pride in your products, Ubi. Let us be proud too, ta very much.

[weldstress]

I would also like to add my 2 cents or was it 50 Bucks
Patch it UBI, Please

[Kptlt. Siegmann]

I played SH4 the first day I bought it, and that was also the last day I played it. Please fix the bugs Ubisoft!

[Powerthighs]

I agree completely.

[Thaum]

Yep. I agree. I bought a game that was broken. The authors have a commercial duty to fix it. I love the sim, just like SH3 (alas heavily modded).

I applaud Ubi for publishing this sim, it's a shame it was shipped in a state that was far less than perfect.

Let's have that patch.

Thaum.

[mimik]

all hands on deck for this one!.. i'm not buying the game untill it is completely patched!.. untill then i'm sticking with good ol' SH3 v1.4!.. we NEED the patch!..

[scalelokt]

Yes more patches are warranted, at least one more. You definitly have my vote. I might also mention that along with the glaring bugs listed in the original post, I could add one or two more that are about as bad. Bottom line, SH4 is not finished. Ubi please complete this game and give your customers a quality product. If SH4 isnt finished after all the money it has generated Ubi, I'm sure many of us would be very hesitant about an SH5......

[wetwarev7]

I agree with the OP. Ubisoft, fix the product you sold, or forget about ever having me for a customer again!

[GT182]

Neal is right, there is a need for 1.3, but I feel it will have to go father than that to fix it. One patch to fix it would be just too large for those on dialup to get in one download. Think of how long it would take them too.

After all the comments have been read I have to say this, and I'm sorry if it ruffles feathers, but if you think about how past releases of Ubi's sub sims have gone, you just might agree.

If Ubi doesn't fix SH4 as they should, it could be their death blow for selling us anything ever again. Sure they need to make money but they also need to fix what they prematurely sell. And that includes SHIII too. Let your developers do their job for what they built for you Ubi. In the end you'll get more of respect you deserve from the gaming community instead of all this flak. Neal has helped you out plugging these sub sims, so now it only seems fair to honor his request to finish what you started. A little compasion for the gamers here will go a long way for you in the end.

[Graf]

Fix the hardcoded AI or allow them to be modded as well.

Besides that, leave it to the modders. ;)

Patch 1.3 needed...

[clayman]

Yes Ubi ... we need 1.3 to take this game to where it needed to be at release. The team brought us up to 1.2 ... let them finish the job. :up:

[Madman]

Agreed, finish the sim. :yep:

[Jmack]

i told many times i wouldnt buy Silent Hunter 4 ...

well things change so i decided to get it anyway despite all the bad remarks i had read about it .

i have to be honest i am disapointed with present SH4 and despite the fact that the modding community around the Silent Hunter Series will with no doubt find solution for all the things left unfinished by Ubisoft i believe the 1.3 is needed for many reasons stated above and also because we dont pay the modders we pay Ubisoft ...
Its simple ... i wouldnt buy a car without wheels or a house without roof ... but i payed Ubisoft for a product that it wasnt finished so i expect them to correct this situation .

1.3 IS ESSENTIAL BUT PLEASE TAKE YOUR TIME AND FINISH IT PROPERLY BEFORE RELEASING IT

[Redwine]

It's coming up on two months since Silent Hunter 4 was released. Two patches have brought the game up to where it is stable and most of the basic features are functional, but there are still several key aspects that need attention and it's too quiet in the Ubisoft camp. I have not heard anything about the status of a third patch, which the game needs to be considered complete. Before the dev team gets too far from the construction site, Subsim is going to mount a campaign for patch v1.3. Silent Hunter 4 is an enjoyable game but has yet to reach the point where we consider it complete. The future of the Silent Hunter franchise depends on maintaining a reputation for quality.

We call on Ubisoft to complete Silent Hunter 4. We don't expect every wish to be fulfilled, but there are several key gameplay issues that loyal players and Ubisoft customers, who bought an incomplete game, deserve to have addressed. These include:
All AI needs tweaking, too often merchant ships all come to a stop and muddle around when under attack. Destroyers guarding merchants and especially in task forces occasionally seem somewhat uninterested in firing back. The Subchaser is unable to fire its main gun at all. If you mod the Subchaser to have a second gun in a raised position where the AA gun is it will fire this gun. The Akizuki DD has a similar issue, of the four guns it has only the two guns on the raised platforms actually fire. When the boat is rammed by a destroyer (for example) the destroyer generally comes of worse and often explodes.

Units of measurement: Imperial units for ship dimensions, torpedo depth gauge, range figure in the TDC and Position Keeper, all UOM issues need to be resolved.

Campaign retirement – feature or bug? Bug. Suggestion that it should be optional.

Repetitive patrols still get assigned.

Chronometer still doesn’t work as described in the manual. “The Chronometer bug”, this needs a quick and dirty fix, just a simple speed response in the text box when the Speed button is selected in the TDC, as occurs when the player clicks the Depth Beneath Keel button. But, importantly, the player should still have the choice of manually entering his own speed estimate in the TDC.

Radar needs finishing touches. It doesn't work when heading South 90deg to 270deg. Is SD radar fixed? Does is not detect ships but will detect aircraft? Also, when SD radar fitted there is no A scope display. We need your help to demonstrate the need for patch 1.3. Join the campaign here and make yourself heard. Post here. Don't hesitate or put it off. This thread will need hundreds of names to merit any attention.

Neal Stevens
Subsim

Other issues and discussion can be found in this topic. (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=531615#post531615)
So say... we all.

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_1_55.gif

Domino effect... and AAA Crewtaking damage wehn submerged, in sub damage model need to be fixed too...

[kakemann]

Domino effect... and AAA Crewtaking damage wehn submerged, in sub damage model need to be fixed too...

Agreed!

Major issue actually!

[robbierob2005]

Well, I want to put my name on the list.

Please, we need the 1.3 patch!

[Church SUBSIM]

First, thanks to Neil for posting this. For me, your post adds credibility to you and your site. I think it is safe to say it is appreciated by all that frequent these forums and who appreciate and play the Silent Hunter series.

Without question a patch is warranted. By doing what is right and patching the product so it meets with the product specifications and reasonable expectations of the end users, you are in essence insuring future sales of the product line. Granted, there are budget issues, numbers and hard costs to deal with. There is also doing what is right.

Please begin work on the 1.3 patch. Please ensure me as a future customer.

Church

[pj]

If the game remains as it is it will probably soon end up on the shelf, or worse, in the garbage!

(The sad thing is I'm only half joking... I'm sick of paying for unfinished programs!)

PJ

[pocatellodave]

I join the other 230 plus people that agree there should be a 1.3 patch,and another patch if 1.3 doesn't clean up the game to what it should be.I don't mind being a beta tester,but I like to see results.
Pocatellodave

[Packerfan]

I support the call for at least one more patch. This game could be really special if given the attention it and your paying customers deserve.

PackerFan

[cappy70]

Regarding Neal's list :up: :up: :up:
( I just "slaughtered" about 6 merchants that stopped for a "let-us-all-stop-for-a-fishing-happening-in-the-bay")

Yes,,Patch 1.3 is must for this game to be closer to a "ready" game.

We need this Patch!!!

We don't want a :lost:

[tdean001]

I want to echo the sentiments of most of the people who have posted in this thread so far. SHIV is visually fantastic, but there are a number of serious flaws that make the game a bear to play. Ubisoft has done a wonderful job producing the game, but they were probably forced to release it before the developers were entirely happy with the end-product.

Let me reiterate - I really think the developers did a great job. They should simply stomp out a few of the experience-killing bugs. As always, the mod community will do the fine tweaking to make the game more enjoyable.

Thanks Ubisoft for such a good game, just continue to support it! :up:

Tom Dean

[Prof]

Adding my name to the list...

[Topo65]

Please Ubi, patch it! 1.3 for this great sim!

[geetrue]

Make Silent Hunter IV so good in the 1.3 patch that we don't need a 1.4 patch ...

You know how many people have moved on, because it just didn't compute
to keep playing? I bet it's over fifty percent, way over ...:yep:

Put the 1.3 patch on a new released version that includes all three patches too ...

I don't even need the box, I started throwing those things away a long time ago. :yep:

[Keelbuster]

SH4 needs another patch, at the very least, and probably a lot more than that in the long run. Right now it sits among the worst rip-off/failure/squanderings in simulation gaming history. Getting burned at something so close your heart is...hard to get over. I'll skip the bulk of my usual rant and summarize by saying that I think they liquidated this wonderful title for quick earnings. They need to atone for this insult if I'm ever to consider paying for a Ubisoft game again. Among many critical bugs that keep me from playing SH4, they need to fix the chronometer. That they left that basic manual targetting feature out of the release, and both emergency patches only confirms the short-sighted weed-smoking console-gaming attitude that these jokers have towards submarine sims.

[geetrue]

Now that's a little harsh keelbuster :lol:



both emergency patches only confirms the short-sighted weed-smoking console-gaming attitude that these jokers have towards submarine sims.05-16-2007 02:51 PM



Did you mean the people that play console games or was that directed at the developers or both? :lol:

[R48]

I want to add my vote for a further patch. It's so obviously needed that to neglect this is unthinkable.