I think the pendulum has swung too far

[TDK1044]

When the developers were designing Uboat, it's understandable that they didn't want a copy of the Silent Hunter model. However, looking at the newly released U Tube videos, it seems like this game involves telling trained crew members to do what they should already be doing. I think that'll get old really quickly. I wish the game well, but it's not for me.

[Hjalfnar]

I am not so sure about it. A lot of the stuff will be automated in the future, I think...and it actually is already. People go to bed or play cards if you don't give them new orders. The cook will make meals from anything that's in the storage room, but you are able to give him specific foods. The engineers will do maintenance on the torpedos if there is nothing else you ordered them to do and they have slept already.

It's just more efficient to manage the crew then letting it do everything by itself.

[TDK1044]

I genuinely wish it well, and I know how much hard work and sacrifice went into making this game a reality, but to me, right now it feels like 'Millennial Boat' rather than a U Boat. I'll be interested to see how it can be modded though.

[Hjalfnar]

Originally Posted by TDK1044

I genuinely wish it well, and I know how much hard work and sacrifice went into making this game a reality, but to me, right now it feels like 'Millennial Boat' rather than a U Boat. I'll be interested to see how it can be modded though.

Well, the game will go in Early Access on 30th April, while the modding tools will be made available in June...so modding will be possible before the game is even fully released, and according to the devs modding options will be "extensive".

[bstanko6]

I’m definitely getting the game, but with the “Sims” expectation. And I’m ok with that!

There really is no true sub simulator out there in my opinion.

As long as TC exists, there can’t be a true simulator, just different genre.

I’ve said it before, I would love to see a modern silent hunter style sub game. With all the fixings of silent hunter and u-boat.

[derstosstrupp]

Originally Posted by bstanko6

I’m definitely getting the game, but with the “Sims” expectation. And I’m ok with that!

There really is no true sub simulator out there in my opinion.

As long as TC exists, there can’t be a true simulator, just different genre.

I’ve said it before, I would love to see a modern silent hunter style sub game. With all the fixings of silent hunter and u-boat.

Until this bad boy happens anyway:
http://www.uboatsim.com

[TDK1044]

Originally Posted by bstanko6

I’m definitely getting the game, but with the “Sims” expectation. And I’m ok with that!

There really is no true sub simulator out there in my opinion.

As long as TC exists, there can’t be a true simulator, just different genre.

I’ve said it before, I would love to see a modern silent hunter style sub game. With all the fixings of silent hunter and u-boat.

Right there with you. I like the idea of interacting with the crew to discuss the mission.....course....anticipated weather.....fuel.......expected enemy activity and so on, but I have no desire to see a puddle of water, and to then instruct someone to get a bucket and a mop.

[fullmetaledges]

Originally Posted by TDK1044

I genuinely wish it well, and I know how much hard work and sacrifice went into making this game a reality, but to me, right now it feels like 'Millennial Boat' rather than a U Boat. I'll be interested to see how it can be modded though.

Why is that, because everyone 22-37 years old is lazy?

[TDK1044]

Originally Posted by fullmetaledges

Why is that, because everyone 22-37 years old is lazy?

No, it's just that when you have to tell a crew member to get a mop and bucket in order to clean up a spill, you might wonder why that individual didn't have the initiative to do so without having to be asked. I don't think it's realistic, because U Boat sub crews were well trained. But if that kind of thing can be modded out, and the crew interaction can be more strategy and real time threat related, then it becomes interesting......to me anyway.

[fullmetaledges]

I understand what you're saying, the micromanagement seems to be a bit much, but I think that relating it to a generational age range is misinformed.

[nihilcat]

You seem to be making up things on the fly a bit @TDK1044. There isn't really any "cleaning" orders in the game. You also don't have to manage your officers most of the time, if you don't like to as they perform most tasks on their own. They don't know what is your overall plan though and their actions may sometimes be suboptimal when you take that into consideration, so it's definitely rewarding to at least sometimes jump in.

It's also worth to distinct things that you CAN do in the game with things that you HAVE to do. As a skipper you can do a lot and we tried to allow the player to micromanage his boat as much as he likes to, even choosing what will be on the dinner, if he has such wish.

I also don't think you are being fair by calling the game "arcade". Simulation-wise there is more or less everything in the game that was present in the stock Silent Hunter games (and more!). It's true that you CAN order your crew to perform some of the tasks that were forcefully manual in SH, but again - you don't HAVE to

[LordInquisitor]

Originally Posted by TDK1044

No, it's just that when you have to tell a crew member to get a mop and bucket in order to clean up a spill, you might wonder why that individual didn't have the initiative to do so without having to be asked. I don't think it's realistic, because U Boat sub crews were well trained. But if that kind of thing can be modded out, and the crew interaction can be more strategy and real time threat related, then it becomes interesting......to me anyway.

Im Betting that Uboat Wolwes of Steel will have AI initiative based on veterancy, So you are gonna enjoy a lot of Newbies needing to be told to Clean that freaking dirt

[Justaguyinnc]

Two years from now..the nay sayers of today will be bragging about how awesome UBOAT is and no other submarine game will ever match it... we have heard this story before.. sing along.. jus'sayin

[Nordmann]

Originally Posted by Justaguyinnc

Two years from now..the nay sayers of today will be bragging about how awesome UBOAT is and no other submarine game will ever match it... we have heard this story before.. sing along.. jus'sayin

Yeah, same old, same old. I would honestly be pleasantly surprised if this community actually showed some positivity towards the genre they are supposed to enjoy. There's more to it than just calculating torpedo solutions!