Hu Jintao tells China navy: Prepare for warfare

Gerald · 12-07-11, 02:24 AM

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China's navy should speed up its development and prepare for warfare, President Hu Jintao has said.He told military personnel they should "make extended preparations for warfare".China is locked in territorial disputes with several other nations in the South China Sea. Political tension is also growing with the US, which is seeking to boost its presence in the region.After Mr Hu's comments, the US said China was entitled to defend itself."Nobody's looking for a scrap here," said Pentagon spokesman Admiral John Kirby in quotes carried by the AFP news agency. "Certainly we wouldn't begrudge any other nation the opportunity to develop naval forces."Senior US and Chinese officials are currently holding talks on military issues.The one-day meeting takes places every year, with the stated aim of ensuring there are no misunderstandings between the two nations.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-16063607

Note: 7 December 2011 Last updated at 05:31 GMT

Skybird · 12-07-11, 06:05 AM

It may be a reply to Obama's announcement to send 2500 special forces and instructors to Australia.

Anyhow, the job of any armed forces is to fight war. And in peacetimes to prepare for war by training how to fight it. It's job is not to drill waterholes and build hospitals in other nations, it'S job is not to create new forms of social life in foreign cultures, or to build schools. The decision over war and peace is made by politicians. But the decision on what the role of the armed forces should be, must n ot be made anymore, since that is already being answered by calling an army an army, and not the boyscouts, the Technisches Hilfswerk, the social engineering brigade or the human developement chorps.

Especially Germans have too many bees in their bonnets over what role the armed forces should (=could) play. Aid work and developement organisations build. Armies destroy (what is or belongs to the enemy).

Gerald · 12-07-11, 02:07 PM

Good thinking,

CCIP · 12-07-11, 02:10 PM

Conveniently coinciding with the anniversary of Pearl Harbor?

Gerald · 12-07-11, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

Conveniently coinciding with the anniversary of Pearl Harbor?

Doubtful...

Ducimus · 12-07-11, 02:19 PM

I always find this map disturbing.

soopaman2 · 12-07-11, 02:58 PM

I am sure he has seen this. if he is referring to the United States.

China may be wealthy, but they are still second rate in comparison.

Skybird · 12-07-11, 03:05 PM

I always wondered what happened to the 1st and 2nd fleet. Dissappeared in the Bermuda Triangle?

Anyhow, China, in case of war, would not need to scatter its forces around the whole globe. How much and what kind of combat force each side can project - and maintain! - into the theatre of operation - that is the interesting thing, plus reaction and support (or lack of) of own home public.

soopaman2 · 12-07-11, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

I always wondered what happened to the 1st and 2nd fleet. Dissappeared in the Bermuda Triangle?

Anyhow, China, in case of war, would not need to scatter its forces over the whole globe. How much and what kind of combat force each side can project - and maintain! - into the theatre of operation - that is the interesting thing.

Floater fleets? Super secret?
Or retired in shame? Similar to the Legion numbers of Varus' destroyed legions in Teutoberg forest?

Any USN folks know?

frau kaleun · 12-07-11, 03:29 PM

According to Wikipedia:

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The First Fleet was a unit of the United States Navy, in operation from as early as 1946 (but definitely active by 1948 as the First Task Fleet) to 1 February 1973 in the western Pacific Ocean as part of the Pacific Fleet. In 1973, it was disestablished and its duties assumed by the Third Fleet.

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United States Second Fleet was a numbered fleet in the United States Navy from 1950 until its disestablishment in September 2011. Second Fleet's area of responsibility included approximately 6,700,000 square miles (17,000,000 km2) of the Atlantic Ocean from the North Pole to the Caribbean and from the shores of the United States to the middle of the Atlantic Ocean.

On January 6, 2011, it was reported via a DoD news article that the Navy would disestablish Second Fleet in order to "use those savings and more to fund additional ships." The fleet was officially dissolved in a ceremony at Norfolk on 30 September 2011.

Second Fleet's responsibilities and its additional title of Commander, Task Force 20, were transferred to the re-organized United States Fleet Forces Command, as was the post of CJOS COE, which was renamed CJFS COE.

As for the rest:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...US_Navy_fleets

Skybird · 12-07-11, 03:43 PM

Ah.

Of course I meant 4th Fleet when asking about (still existing) 2nd fleet. It seesm the 4th is a paper fleet without own ressources, but being called back to duty some years ago. Theatre of responsibility: Caribean, and Southern America. Ressources will be taken from 2nd fleet, when needed.

Ghost fleets. Great idea. Reminds me of the final battle in LOTR.

Edit. What, 2nd fleet just disestablished a month ago? But the other fleets are still there, eh? I must ask this: are there any American warships sailing the sea at all, or is it just a media stunt?

Gerald · 12-07-11, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by frau kaleun

According to Wikipedia:

As for the rest:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...US_Navy_fleets

I am grateful for the extraordinary facts that Frau captain now has handed over to the members' hands on SubSim.com these facts, we regard as an honor to have access, and that is appreciated around the world,

soopaman2 · 12-07-11, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendor

I am grateful for the extraordinary facts that Frau captain now has handed over to the members' hands on SubSim.com these facts, we regard as an honor to have access, and that is appreciated around the world,

We love our Frau, and would drop 2 nukes on Japanese cities just to keep her.

Now lets play a game of risk with said fleet map. Move the Med fleet to east coast USA (defense) (Brits and France cover us in Med). Indian ocean fleet sails offshore China.
East coast fleet moves to the West coast in defense, And pacific fleets sail to china.

That is 3 Armadas we can bring to bear without sacrificing our own homeland. (I am not worried about your countries, nor should we be)

I speak the high praise of our high-tech missile cruisers, and the fact our Navy Aviators (face it, we have more practice in actual warfare) are the best in the world.

I'd put money on this.

Krauter · 12-07-11, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by soopaman2

We love our Frau, and would drop 2 nukes on Japanese cities just to keep her.

frau kaleun · 12-07-11, 09:16 PM

Um yeah... can we just skip the whole dropping nukes on people business? Most people only consider that kind of wanton destruction when they're trying to get rid of me.

Also if there's anybody in Sweden who can, I don't know, maybe get Vendor laid... that might not be a bad thing. I'm just sayin'.

12-07-11, 06:05 AM	#2
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,612 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	It may be a reply to Obama's announcement to send 2500 special forces and instructors to Australia. Anyhow, the job of any armed forces is to fight war. And in peacetimes to prepare for war by training how to fight it. It's job is not to drill waterholes and build hospitals in other nations, it'S job is not to create new forms of social life in foreign cultures, or to build schools. The decision over war and peace is made by politicians. But the decision on what the role of the armed forces should be, must n ot be made anymore, since that is already being answered by calling an army an army, and not the boyscouts, the Technisches Hilfswerk, the social engineering brigade or the human developement chorps. Especially Germans have too many bees in their bonnets over what role the armed forces should (=could) play. Aid work and developement organisations build. Armies destroy (what is or belongs to the enemy). __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-07-11, 02:07 PM	#3
Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	Good thinking, __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

12-07-11, 02:10 PM	#4
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Conveniently coinciding with the anniversary of Pearl Harbor? __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

12-07-11, 02:58 PM	#7
soopaman2 Der Alte Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 3,316 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	I am sure he has seen this. if he is referring to the United States. China may be wealthy, but they are still second rate in comparison. __________________ If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons. -Winston Churchill- The most fascinating man in the world.

12-07-11, 03:05 PM	#8
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,612 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I always wondered what happened to the 1st and 2nd fleet. Dissappeared in the Bermuda Triangle? Anyhow, China, in case of war, would not need to scatter its forces around the whole globe. How much and what kind of combat force each side can project - and maintain! - into the theatre of operation - that is the interesting thing, plus reaction and support (or lack of) of own home public. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-07-11, 02:19 PM	#6
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	I always find this map disturbing.

12-07-11, 03:43 PM	#11
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,612 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Ah. Of course I meant 4th Fleet when asking about (still existing) 2nd fleet. It seesm the 4th is a paper fleet without own ressources, but being called back to duty some years ago. Theatre of responsibility: Caribean, and Southern America. Ressources will be taken from 2nd fleet, when needed. Ghost fleets. Great idea. Reminds me of the final battle in LOTR. Edit. What, 2nd fleet just disestablished a month ago? But the other fleets are still there, eh? I must ask this: are there any American warships sailing the sea at all, or is it just a media stunt? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-07-11, 09:16 PM	#15
frau kaleun Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skyri--oh who are we kidding, I'm probably at Lowe's. Again. Posts: 12,706 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	Um yeah... can we just skip the whole dropping nukes on people business? Most people only consider that kind of wanton destruction when they're trying to get rid of me. Also if there's anybody in Sweden who can, I don't know, maybe get Vendor laid... that might not be a bad thing. I'm just sayin'.