Hu Jintao tells China navy: Prepare for warfare

Skybird · 12-07-11, 03:05 PM

I always wondered what happened to the 1st and 2nd fleet. Dissappeared in the Bermuda Triangle?

Anyhow, China, in case of war, would not need to scatter its forces around the whole globe. How much and what kind of combat force each side can project - and maintain! - into the theatre of operation - that is the interesting thing, plus reaction and support (or lack of) of own home public.

soopaman2 · 12-07-11, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

I always wondered what happened to the 1st and 2nd fleet. Dissappeared in the Bermuda Triangle?

Anyhow, China, in case of war, would not need to scatter its forces over the whole globe. How much and what kind of combat force each side can project - and maintain! - into the theatre of operation - that is the interesting thing.

Floater fleets? Super secret?
Or retired in shame? Similar to the Legion numbers of Varus' destroyed legions in Teutoberg forest?

Any USN folks know?

frau kaleun · 12-07-11, 03:29 PM

According to Wikipedia:

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The First Fleet was a unit of the United States Navy, in operation from as early as 1946 (but definitely active by 1948 as the First Task Fleet) to 1 February 1973 in the western Pacific Ocean as part of the Pacific Fleet. In 1973, it was disestablished and its duties assumed by the Third Fleet.

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United States Second Fleet was a numbered fleet in the United States Navy from 1950 until its disestablishment in September 2011. Second Fleet's area of responsibility included approximately 6,700,000 square miles (17,000,000 km2) of the Atlantic Ocean from the North Pole to the Caribbean and from the shores of the United States to the middle of the Atlantic Ocean.

On January 6, 2011, it was reported via a DoD news article that the Navy would disestablish Second Fleet in order to "use those savings and more to fund additional ships." The fleet was officially dissolved in a ceremony at Norfolk on 30 September 2011.

Second Fleet's responsibilities and its additional title of Commander, Task Force 20, were transferred to the re-organized United States Fleet Forces Command, as was the post of CJOS COE, which was renamed CJFS COE.

As for the rest:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...US_Navy_fleets

Skybird · 12-07-11, 03:43 PM

Ah.

Of course I meant 4th Fleet when asking about (still existing) 2nd fleet. It seesm the 4th is a paper fleet without own ressources, but being called back to duty some years ago. Theatre of responsibility: Caribean, and Southern America. Ressources will be taken from 2nd fleet, when needed.

Ghost fleets. Great idea. Reminds me of the final battle in LOTR.

Edit. What, 2nd fleet just disestablished a month ago? But the other fleets are still there, eh? I must ask this: are there any American warships sailing the sea at all, or is it just a media stunt?

Gerald · 12-07-11, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by frau kaleun

According to Wikipedia:

As for the rest:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...US_Navy_fleets

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soopaman2 · 12-07-11, 03:58 PM

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We love our Frau, and would drop 2 nukes on Japanese cities just to keep her.

Now lets play a game of risk with said fleet map. Move the Med fleet to east coast USA (defense) (Brits and France cover us in Med). Indian ocean fleet sails offshore China.
East coast fleet moves to the West coast in defense, And pacific fleets sail to china.

That is 3 Armadas we can bring to bear without sacrificing our own homeland. (I am not worried about your countries, nor should we be)

I speak the high praise of our high-tech missile cruisers, and the fact our Navy Aviators (face it, we have more practice in actual warfare) are the best in the world.

I'd put money on this.

Krauter · 12-07-11, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by soopaman2

We love our Frau, and would drop 2 nukes on Japanese cities just to keep her.

frau kaleun · 12-07-11, 09:16 PM

Um yeah... can we just skip the whole dropping nukes on people business? Most people only consider that kind of wanton destruction when they're trying to get rid of me.

Also if there's anybody in Sweden who can, I don't know, maybe get Vendor laid... that might not be a bad thing. I'm just sayin'.

geetrue · 12-07-11, 09:29 PM

A Romanian man named Dumitru Duduman had a vision of America going to war with China and Russia protecting their neighbor with a surprise attack on USA, but it all had something to do with Israel being surrounded by it's enemies after the USA was taken out ...

The rest gets boring and brings up the dreaded name of ______________

a side note is that Dumitru has been called a false prophet due to he thought this would happen before he died in 1997, but oh what a man he was to stand up to the KGB and deliver over 50,000 bibles into Russia from Romania

Funny how India is also gearing up for war though, an undersea war that is.

It wouldn't surprise me if we had to defend say Tawain for instance and it gets out of hand.

12-07-11, 03:05 PM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,634 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I always wondered what happened to the 1st and 2nd fleet. Dissappeared in the Bermuda Triangle? Anyhow, China, in case of war, would not need to scatter its forces around the whole globe. How much and what kind of combat force each side can project - and maintain! - into the theatre of operation - that is the interesting thing, plus reaction and support (or lack of) of own home public. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-07-11, 03:43 PM	#4
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,634 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Ah. Of course I meant 4th Fleet when asking about (still existing) 2nd fleet. It seesm the 4th is a paper fleet without own ressources, but being called back to duty some years ago. Theatre of responsibility: Caribean, and Southern America. Ressources will be taken from 2nd fleet, when needed. Ghost fleets. Great idea. Reminds me of the final battle in LOTR. Edit. What, 2nd fleet just disestablished a month ago? But the other fleets are still there, eh? I must ask this: are there any American warships sailing the sea at all, or is it just a media stunt? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-07-11, 09:29 PM	#9
geetrue Cold War Boomer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Walla Walla Posts: 2,837 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	A Romanian man named Dumitru Duduman had a vision of America going to war with China and Russia protecting their neighbor with a surprise attack on USA, but it all had something to do with Israel being surrounded by it's enemies after the USA was taken out ... The rest gets boring and brings up the dreaded name of ______________ a side note is that Dumitru has been called a false prophet due to he thought this would happen before he died in 1997, but oh what a man he was to stand up to the KGB and deliver over 50,000 bibles into Russia from Romania Funny how India is also gearing up for war though, an undersea war that is. It wouldn't surprise me if we had to defend say Tawain for instance and it gets out of hand. __________________

12-07-11, 09:16 PM	#8
frau kaleun Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skyri--oh who are we kidding, I'm probably at Lowe's. Again. Posts: 12,706 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	Um yeah... can we just skip the whole dropping nukes on people business? Most people only consider that kind of wanton destruction when they're trying to get rid of me. Also if there's anybody in Sweden who can, I don't know, maybe get Vendor laid... that might not be a bad thing. I'm just sayin'.