You think Frau can handle this man? Katana with katana?

Castout · 11-26-10, 08:47 PM

Or is that just some fancy move for display without much use in real close combat against a katana master?

What do you think Frau?

Pretty mean guy to me

..I'd hand over my wallet if he came to me with a katana in hand no question asked.

frau kaleun · 11-26-10, 09:07 PM

Yeah, I've seen that clip before... I think I may even have the DVD of the show it was taken from.

Dude is clearly far more experienced, skilled, and comfortable handling a katana than I am, c'mon, I've done ONE fairly simple kata. And I don't work with a real blade, but a wooden practice sword.

That said, I have no idea if he's actually just really good at the kata or has actually trained in some style of traditional Japanese combat swordsmanship (and no, kendo as taught to win modern-day kendo tournaments doesn't count from what I've seen and heard). It's one thing to handle a weapon well in a choreographed performance and quite another to use it in a spontaneous confrontation with a similarly armed opponent.

Being able to perform well in a kata doesn't always translate into being able to hold one's own in a real fight. Case in point: I train with a guy who was a bartender for many years, during which time he made the acquaintance of a local martial arts instructor in another style. He got to know this guy well enough to have spent time watching him demonstrate his kata and techniques and in doing so the guy was consistently flawless and incredibly powerful. Truly a thing of beauty to behold. And yet this guy would come into the bar on a fairly regular basis and get into a fight with some random no-name and get his arse kicked every single time.

Dowly · 11-26-10, 09:09 PM

I was left out again.

frau kaleun · 11-26-10, 09:13 PM

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I was left out again.

Do you train with swords? I didn't know.

I would like to but 1) I couldn't afford it and 2) the chances of finding someone hereabouts who actually teaches the katana exclusively and for real - not for scoring points in competition - are pretty much nil.

Dowly · 11-26-10, 09:14 PM

I have a sword!

the_tyrant · 11-26-10, 09:20 PM

Ill come to the next subsim meet dressed as a ninja
you guys would all cower behind frau at the sight of me.

frau kaleun · 11-26-10, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

I have a sword!

There, there. Of course you do. And I'm sure you polish it daily.

Takeda Shingen · 11-26-10, 09:22 PM

While this is beautiful in it's choreography and clearly demonstrates his skill at handling a (possibly) sharpened blade, it is no indicator of actual fighting prowess. Many of his spins, flips and various swings are more aesthetic than practical, and would be of no value in combat. While the martial arts do place emphasis on aesthetics, it is only a mean, not an end. The man in the video has clearly spent a long period of time perfecting his kata, but it would appear that he has inverted the equation; something that many of my fellow martial artists have a tendancy to do.

frau kaleun · 11-26-10, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Castout

Pretty mean guy to me

..I'd hand over my wallet if he came to me with a katana in hand no question asked.

Oh and I would prolly hand over my wallet to an armed attacker as well if that was all s/he wanted. Not worth anyone getting hurt over. Especially me.

Castout · 11-27-10, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by frau kaleun

Oh and I would prolly hand over my wallet to an armed attacker as well if that was all s/he wanted. Not worth anyone getting hurt over. Especially me.

Sailor Steve · 11-27-10, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by frau kaleun

Oh and I would prolly hand over my wallet to an armed attacker as well if that was all s/he wanted. Not worth anyone getting hurt over. Especially me.

I once saw an interview with Jean-Claude Van Damme. The reporter asked him what he would do if someone in real life if someone pulled a gun on him and demanded his money.

To his credit, Van Damme answered "Give him my wallet and hope he didn't hurt me!"

kiwi_2005 · 11-27-10, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I once saw an interview with Jean-Claude Van Damme. The reporter asked him what he would do if someone in real life if someone pulled a gun on him and demanded his money.

To his credit, Van Damme answered "Give him my wallet and hope he didn't hurt me!"

IF learning kung fu for the self defense then in this modern day its probably a waste of time. If your learning it for mastery of the mind, disipline, strength just all round well being then this sport will help you in life which im sure frau learns this sport for that reason.

Other than that I can't see what is the point people wanting to learn if for self defense when all you need is a gun or your trusty baseball bat. The Indiana Jones scene comes to mind where the arab sword weilding geek goes all nuts so indiana pulls out his gun and shoots him dead. No sword weilding stick fighting or round house kick is faster than a speeding bullet. Besides crims these days would shoot you dead before you got within 20feet of them.

thou there is one exception. Chuck Norris would probably catch the bullet & throw it back killing the bad guy instantly!

frau kaleun · 11-28-10, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by kiwi_2005

IF learning kung fu for the self defense then in this modern day its probably a waste of time. If your learning it for mastery of the mind, disipline, strength just all round well being then this sport will help you in life which im sure frau learns this sport for that reason.

Other than that I can't see what is the point people wanting to learn if for self defense when all you need is a gun or your trusty baseball bat. The Indiana Jones scene comes to mind where the arab sword weilding geek goes all nuts so indiana pulls out his gun and shoots him dead. No sword weilding stick fighting or round house kick is faster than a speeding bullet. Besides crims these days would shoot you dead before you got within 20feet of them.

thou there is one exception. Chuck Norris would probably catch the bullet & throw it back killing the bad guy instantly!

Not every act of attempted physical assault involves a weapon, in fact I would hazard a guess that most do not, particularly those that are not premeditated.

And just to be picky and clarify - I am not training in or for a sport - what I'm taught is considered a martial art in the strictest sense of the phrase: a war art. It is taught that way by my instructor and that is certainly my approach to it (although others may take it up for a variety of reasons).

kiwi_2005 · 11-28-10, 01:22 AM

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Not every act of attempted physical assault involves a weapon, in fact I would hazard a guess that most do not, particularly those that are not premeditated.

Well theres always a kick to the nuts, im not being funny a kick to the goonads will drop any man no matter how big he is, and it gives the victim time to run away or put the boot in and then run away.

When fighting how many street fighters or just plain thugs do you see protecting their private parts. None. They're always protecting their pretty faces. A firm power Kick in the nuts preferably with steel cap boots will drop him!

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And just to be picky and clarify - I am not training in or for a sport - what I'm taught is considered a martial art in the strictest sense of the phrase: a war art. It is taught that way by my instructor and that is certainly my approach to it

Okay so your doing it for reasons as in War art

I don't understand but I'm presuming you want to learn how it was back then and all the discipline that comes with it? Fare enough.

Platapus · 11-28-10, 06:34 PM

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thou there is one exception. Chuck Norris would probably catch the bullet & throw it back killing the bad guy instantly!

Get real

Chuck Norris would simply glare at the gun. The gunpower would then spontaneously change chemical form to render it noncombustible.

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frau kaleun Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skyri--oh who are we kidding, I'm probably at Lowe's. Again. Posts: 12,706 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	Yeah, I've seen that clip before... I think I may even have the DVD of the show it was taken from. Dude is clearly far more experienced, skilled, and comfortable handling a katana than I am, c'mon, I've done ONE fairly simple kata. And I don't work with a real blade, but a wooden practice sword. That said, I have no idea if he's actually just really good at the kata or has actually trained in some style of traditional Japanese combat swordsmanship (and no, kendo as taught to win modern-day kendo tournaments doesn't count from what I've seen and heard). It's one thing to handle a weapon well in a choreographed performance and quite another to use it in a spontaneous confrontation with a similarly armed opponent. Being able to perform well in a kata doesn't always translate into being able to hold one's own in a real fight. Case in point: I train with a guy who was a bartender for many years, during which time he made the acquaintance of a local martial arts instructor in another style. He got to know this guy well enough to have spent time watching him demonstrate his kata and techniques and in doing so the guy was consistently flawless and incredibly powerful. Truly a thing of beauty to behold. And yet this guy would come into the bar on a fairly regular basis and get into a fight with some random no-name and get his arse kicked every single time.

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Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,052 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	I was left out again.

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the_tyrant Admiral Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 2,272 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	Ill come to the next subsim meet dressed as a ninja you guys would all cower behind frau at the sight of me.

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Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	While this is beautiful in it's choreography and clearly demonstrates his skill at handling a (possibly) sharpened blade, it is no indicator of actual fighting prowess. Many of his spins, flips and various swings are more aesthetic than practical, and would be of no value in combat. While the martial arts do place emphasis on aesthetics, it is only a mean, not an end. The man in the video has clearly spent a long period of time perfecting his kata, but it would appear that he has inverted the equation; something that many of my fellow martial artists have a tendancy to do.