Light the blue touch paper and stand well back...

TarJak · 09-03-10, 06:44 PM

God didn't create the universe according to Hawking: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci...903-14rva.html

I'll be selling popcorn in the foyer:

STEED · 09-03-10, 06:52 PM

The Prisoner, Episode 5

No.6..."The trouble with science is it can be perverted."

Konovalov · 09-03-10, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TarJak

I'll be selling popcorn in the foyer:

I'm surprised that it took this long for someone to post this topic.

TLAM Strike · 09-03-10, 08:40 PM

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In his new book he rejects Sir Isaac Newton's theory that the universe did not spontaneously begin to form but was set in motion by God.

Castout · 09-03-10, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TarJak

God didn't create the universe according to Hawking: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci...903-14rva.html

It's true because I did. No really.

I just can't remember it

TarJak · 09-03-10, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Konovalov

I'm surprised that it took this long for someone to post this topic.

Same here, hence the OP. I'm also surprised at the mild reception here so far.

TLAM Strike · 09-03-10, 10:01 PM

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Same here, hence the OP. I'm also surprised at the mild reception here so far.

All the Bible thumping Republicans around here are probably prepping their bullets, beer and burgers for the holiday weekend...

I on the other hand am working all three days... so in advance: you all suck...

oh who and I'm kidding if I had the days off I would just be spending it playing HOI2 and screwing around with 3ds max...

Ducimus · 09-03-10, 10:24 PM

I'll bet if this thread title was something like, "Acclaimed physicist Stephen Hawking's says God did not create the universe", it would be two, to three pages full of rabid bit chomping already.

Platapus · 09-03-10, 10:25 PM

The hypothesis that god created the universe can be true depending on the definition of god.

Considering how little we know about the universe, I would say that no one on Earth can have a clue as to what/who created the universe.

Ducimus · 09-03-10, 10:29 PM

Hmm, did someone just do the kick off for the inevitable drama?

(edit: well.. more like punt the ball)

Scuse me while i go get the popcorn ready.

Castout · 09-03-10, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

The hypothesis that god created the universe can be true depending on the definition of god.

Considering how little we know about the universe, I would say that no one on Earth can have a clue as to what/who created the universe.

And we haven't known even half of the universe not even a quarter of it and here a man telling us that nobody and nothing created everything. And because the universe so far has been ever expanding I don't think man will ever able to explore whole of it of it at any time. Unless we could devise a way to travel faster than the rate of the expanding universe. I wonder what would space be like at the fringes of 3D dimensional existence....

So nothing created the order which we are privileged to live in out of total nothingness that transformed nothingness into chaos and into order.

Sure I'm religious and I believe God created everything just that I do not know how He exactly created everything and I don't pretend to know. And sure I can't prove God created everything but I do know that what I'm seeing in this life is a grand design of things that puts an equilibrium and order enough to sustain living beings in it which become the flavor that gives meaning to time and becoming the heart and soul of this otherwise empty three dimensional dark space. Now this equilibrium that enables vulnerable living things to sustain themselves must not be a coincidence. What we are seeing is order and not chaos and because chaos can never become order we know chaos didn't create this universe and because nothing creates only nothing and because of everything is from everything else we know for certain that everything must have a beginning. And because it has a beginning it must have an end and when something has a beginning and an end it must have a purpose and when something has a purpose it must have originated from an intelligent design or plan.

TLAM Strike · 09-03-10, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Castout

And we haven't known even half of the universe not even a quarter of it and here a man telling us that nobody and nothing created everything. And because the universe so far has been ever expanding I don't think man will ever able to explore whole of it of it at any time. Unless we could devise a way to travel faster than the rate of the expanding universe. I wonder what would space be like at the fringes of 3D dimensional existence....

Not sure if its possible to reach the fringe of the universe. Our known universe is based on our ever expanding light horizon- the maximum distance light can travel to us since the start of the universe. If we sent a ship to the edge of that horizon we would find another light horizon of equal size and so on. I think its possible this continues on forever.

Another question to ponder is if you each the edge of matter in the universe (the "farthest star" if you will) does space just stop? Or does hard vacuum continue on forever?

Sledgehammer427 · 09-04-10, 12:45 AM

There are christians that like to say the big bang is entirely possible
it goes something like this

frankly, I applaud that Stephen Hawking is pushing aside the possibility he could go to hell for saying what he's saying. takes guts.

TarJak · 09-04-10, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

I'll bet if this thread title was something like, "Acclaimed physicist Stephen Hawking's says God did not create the universe", it would be two, to three pages full of rabid bit chomping already.

Possibly but a name like that would have been dull and too easy. As this famous legend from many a firework is actually quoted by Hawkings himself and in the article I thought it apt. Looks like all the cantakerous ones are on holiday for the weekend.

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There are christians that like to say the big bang is entirely possible
it goes something like this

frankly, I applaud that Stephen Hawking is pushing aside the possibility he could go to hell for saying what he's saying. takes guts.

That's no worse than the Norse creation myth.

Oberon · 09-04-10, 07:20 AM

The Egyptian cult in Heliopolis has one of the best creation myths I think

But still, what is todays scientific fact may be tomorrows scientific fiction, the big thinkers don't always get it right, some of Einsteins theories are being questioned today IIRC. However, whether it was the work of a God, an alien being or scientific process no one will know for certain, it will be one of those unanswerable questions short of some divine intervention or human mental transcendence.
Personally, I think this universe was created by the collapse of the one before us, and so on and so forth back until the first universe...but the billion dollar question is, what started THAT universe.

We'll never know.

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Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	I'll bet if this thread title was something like, "Acclaimed physicist Stephen Hawking's says God did not create the universe", it would be two, to three pages full of rabid bit chomping already.

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Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Hmm, did someone just do the kick off for the inevitable drama? (edit: well.. more like punt the ball) Scuse me while i go get the popcorn ready.

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Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	The Egyptian cult in Heliopolis has one of the best creation myths I think But still, what is todays scientific fact may be tomorrows scientific fiction, the big thinkers don't always get it right, some of Einsteins theories are being questioned today IIRC. However, whether it was the work of a God, an alien being or scientific process no one will know for certain, it will be one of those unanswerable questions short of some divine intervention or human mental transcendence. Personally, I think this universe was created by the collapse of the one before us, and so on and so forth back until the first universe...but the billion dollar question is, what started THAT universe. We'll never know.