Light the blue touch paper and stand well back...

[Platapus]

The hypothesis that god created the universe can be true depending on the definition of god.

Considering how little we know about the universe, I would say that no one on Earth can have a clue as to what/who created the universe.

[Ducimus]

Hmm, did someone just do the kick off for the inevitable drama? (edit: well.. more like punt the ball)

Scuse me while i go get the popcorn ready.

[Castout]

Originally Posted by Platapus

The hypothesis that god created the universe can be true depending on the definition of god.

Considering how little we know about the universe, I would say that no one on Earth can have a clue as to what/who created the universe.

And we haven't known even half of the universe not even a quarter of it and here a man telling us that nobody and nothing created everything. And because the universe so far has been ever expanding I don't think man will ever able to explore whole of it of it at any time. Unless we could devise a way to travel faster than the rate of the expanding universe. I wonder what would space be like at the fringes of 3D dimensional existence....

So nothing created the order which we are privileged to live in out of total nothingness that transformed nothingness into chaos and into order.

Sure I'm religious and I believe God created everything just that I do not know how He exactly created everything and I don't pretend to know. And sure I can't prove God created everything but I do know that what I'm seeing in this life is a grand design of things that puts an equilibrium and order enough to sustain living beings in it which become the flavor that gives meaning to time and becoming the heart and soul of this otherwise empty three dimensional dark space. Now this equilibrium that enables vulnerable living things to sustain themselves must not be a coincidence. What we are seeing is order and not chaos and because chaos can never become order we know chaos didn't create this universe and because nothing creates only nothing and because of everything is from everything else we know for certain that everything must have a beginning. And because it has a beginning it must have an end and when something has a beginning and an end it must have a purpose and when something has a purpose it must have originated from an intelligent design or plan.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Castout

And we haven't known even half of the universe not even a quarter of it and here a man telling us that nobody and nothing created everything. And because the universe so far has been ever expanding I don't think man will ever able to explore whole of it of it at any time. Unless we could devise a way to travel faster than the rate of the expanding universe. I wonder what would space be like at the fringes of 3D dimensional existence....

Not sure if its possible to reach the fringe of the universe. Our known universe is based on our ever expanding light horizon- the maximum distance light can travel to us since the start of the universe. If we sent a ship to the edge of that horizon we would find another light horizon of equal size and so on. I think its possible this continues on forever.

Another question to ponder is if you each the edge of matter in the universe (the "farthest star" if you will) does space just stop? Or does hard vacuum continue on forever?

[Sledgehammer427]

There are christians that like to say the big bang is entirely possible
it goes something like this


frankly, I applaud that Stephen Hawking is pushing aside the possibility he could go to hell for saying what he's saying. takes guts.