Stadimeter bugged

Klub Bilderberg · 05-20-10, 08:23 AM

I guess im not the only one who was confused about strange values returned from stadimeter. I wanted to try out changing the mast height parameters for each ship same way it was made by modders for sh4. But it turned in no results.

Out of curiosity ive false identified a known ship during a test mission. To my surprise the stadimeter values didnt change. So i came to the conclusion that it doesnt matter whether you identify the target right or wrong. The game engine seems to ignore the individual mast heights for each ship, it just takes some default value which might be more or less acurate. So there is definetely a bug with the stadimeter.

discuss.

kylania · 05-20-10, 08:27 AM

Welcome aboard!

You're entirely correct in your observations of remaining bugs with the 1.2 patch. That said, TheDarkWraith's NewUI + TDC 2.5.0 fixes the standimeter. Enjoy!

Klub Bilderberg · 05-20-10, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by kylania

Welcome aboard!

That said, TheDarkWraith's NewUI + TDC 2.5.0 fixes the standimeter. Enjoy!

can someone confirm that stadimeter works accurate with that addon?

Blood_splat · 05-20-10, 08:48 AM

Dude this is subsim!

kylania · 05-20-10, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Klub Bilderberg

can someone confirm that stadimeter works accurate with that addon?

Erm, I just did...

Shiplord · 05-20-10, 10:31 AM

The use of the Statimeter in the game is nonsense because measurement of the height from sea surface to the top of the mast never provide accurate results, because an empty tanker for example has a shallower draft than a full tanker and thus also the height to the top of the mast is differently with the same type of vessels.

During my time in the navy we measured the mast height from his root to the top and not from sea level because only this value is static.

05-20-10, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Shiplord

The use of the Statimeter in the game is nonsense because measurement of the height from sea surface to the top of the mast never provide accurate results, because an empty tanker for example has a shallower draft than a full tanker and thus also the height to the top of the mast is differently with the same type of vessels.

During my time in the navy we measured the mast height from his root to the top and not from sea level because only this value is static.

Good point, I'd never actually thought of that!

How would the real U-boot captains cope with this problem, I wonder.

Klub Bilderberg · 05-20-10, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by severniae

Good point, I'd never actually thought of that!

How would the real U-boot captains cope with this problem, I wonder.

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Originally Posted by Shiplord

The use of the Statimeter in the game is nonsense because measurement of the height from sea surface to the top of the mast never provide accurate results, because an empty tanker for example has a shallower draft than a full tanker and thus also the height to the top of the mast is differently with the same type of vessels.

During my time in the navy we measured the mast height from his root to the top and not from sea level because only this value is static.

yes its true. The mast height is taken from root to top. Ive been saying this during sh3 times already. But on the other hand its easier to messure from sea level and there is always same draft regardless of payload for each ship anyway. If you want realism someone make a stadimeter mod that works from root to top.

jdkbph · 05-21-10, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Shiplord

The use of the Statimeter in the game is nonsense because measurement of the height from sea surface to the top of the mast never provide accurate results, because an empty tanker for example has a shallower draft than a full tanker and thus also the height to the top of the mast is differently with the same type of vessels.

During my time in the navy we measured the mast height from his root to the top and not from sea level because only this value is static.

Actually the use of the stadimeter in the game (SH3/4/5) is right on... for that time period. Unless the Germans did it differently than everyone else (I'll be happy to stand corrected if they did), mast head height was always taken from the waterline.

See section 4J of the Periscope manual on line at maritime.org.

JD

Nausicaa · 05-22-10, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by kylania

Welcome aboard!

You're entirely correct in your observations of remaining bugs with the 1.2 patch. That said, TheDarkWraith's NewUI + TDC 2.5.0 fixes the standimeter. Enjoy!

Hello there,

I am afraid it doesn't. I run the UI 2.5, and the stadimeter is definitely broken.
Ran extensive testing yesterday - the stadi turns out wrong distances all the time. This is really a game breaker for those who want to use manual targetting. (and yes I know how to use the stadimeter)

kylania · 05-22-10, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Nausicaa

Hello there,

I am afraid it doesn't. I run the UI 2.5, and the stadimeter is definitely broken.
Ran extensive testing yesterday - the stadi turns out wrong distances all the time. This is really a game breaker for those who want to use manual targetting. (and yes I know how to use the stadimeter)

You should report that in TDW's mod post, because you're the exception. Standimeter is working perfectly as of 2.5 for most users and most ships. Please report to TDW what wasn't working so he can see if it's a language issue or what.

Klub Bilderberg · 05-23-10, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by kylania

You should report that in TDW's mod post, because you're the exception. Standimeter is working perfectly as of 2.5 for most users and most ships. Please report to TDW what wasn't working so he can see if it's a language issue or what.

it works better but its not perfect. Sometimes it reads wrong mast hights. Not sure under which circumstances.

jwilliams · 05-23-10, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Nausicaa

Hello there,

I am afraid it doesn't. I run the UI 2.5, and the stadimeter is definitely broken.
Ran extensive testing yesterday - the stadi turns out wrong distances all the time. This is really a game breaker for those who want to use manual targetting. (and yes I know how to use the stadimeter)

Works fine for me.

TwistedFemur · 05-23-10, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Klub Bilderberg

I guess im not the only one who was confused about strange values returned from stadimeter. I wanted to try out changing the mast height parameters for each ship same way it was made by modders for sh4. But it turned in no results.

Out of curiosity ive false identified a known ship during a test mission. To my surprise the stadimeter values didnt change. So i came to the conclusion that it doesnt matter whether you identify the target right or wrong. The game engine seems to ignore the individual mast heights for each ship, it just takes some default value which might be more or less acurate. So there is definetely a bug with the stadimeter.

discuss.

It's been bugged since SHIII

05-20-10, 08:23 AM	#1
Klub Bilderberg Swabbie Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 12 Downloads: 47 Uploads: 0	Stadimeter bugged I guess im not the only one who was confused about strange values returned from stadimeter. I wanted to try out changing the mast height parameters for each ship same way it was made by modders for sh4. But it turned in no results. Out of curiosity ive false identified a known ship during a test mission. To my surprise the stadimeter values didnt change. So i came to the conclusion that it doesnt matter whether you identify the target right or wrong. The game engine seems to ignore the individual mast heights for each ship, it just takes some default value which might be more or less acurate. So there is definetely a bug with the stadimeter. discuss.

05-20-10, 08:27 AM	#2
kylania Silent Hunter Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,528 Downloads: 118 Uploads: 0	Welcome aboard! You're entirely correct in your observations of remaining bugs with the 1.2 patch. That said, TheDarkWraith's NewUI + TDC 2.5.0 fixes the standimeter. Enjoy! __________________

05-20-10, 08:48 AM	#4
Blood_splat Samurai Navy Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Beneath the waves Posts: 568 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Dude this is subsim!

05-20-10, 10:31 AM	#6
Shiplord Helmsman Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 109 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The use of the Statimeter in the game is nonsense because measurement of the height from sea surface to the top of the mast never provide accurate results, because an empty tanker for example has a shallower draft than a full tanker and thus also the height to the top of the mast is differently with the same type of vessels. During my time in the navy we measured the mast height from his root to the top and not from sea level because only this value is static.