Can the crew actually die?

oscar19681 · 02-22-10, 08:00 AM

I was wondering when reading neals preview. Can your crew actually die?
Since the crew now has personallity,s and stuff how could we replace them unless there would be more characters which (to my knowlege) or not there. Or maybe just the uncontrolleble crew members can get killed?

urfisch · 02-22-10, 08:09 AM

nice question...

indeed. i guees: no...and if so..the crew "plops away" if she dies, like the new torps simply "plop in"...

piri_reis · 02-22-10, 08:16 AM

I hope I'm wrong but; I got a hunch they don't die.

Because can you have your navigation officer, change in for your watch officer or torpedo officer?? All these positions seem to have personnel who are permanently assigned. (All the cheesy story & rpg elements that go with them)

Perhaps the model/looks/background story might be modded in, but barring the mods, the game is designed as it is and how would they make it work if the cook dies (in a flooding situation) or the watch officer is shot? Then do they get replaced back at port?

No previews mention anything about recruiting new personnel at port or anything like that, so this is one of those unknowns but likely a negative feature of the game..

SteamWake · 02-22-10, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by urfisch

nice question...

indeed. i guees: no...and if so..the crew "plops away" if she dies, like the new torps simply "plop in"...

What did I miss .. torpedoes "plop in" ? There is no loading time?

Iron Budokan · 02-22-10, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

What did I miss .. torpedoes "plop in" ? There is no loading time?

No, he means in the animation the torps go into the tubes and then disappear. There's a lot wrong with this game, but this just sounds like a typical animation bug, really, and hopefully can be modded/fixed.

Task Force · 02-22-10, 06:32 PM

wounder If I can lock off certian parts of the sub. (ex, Oah nos, room X is flooding.) can I lock the doors, so the room dosent floot the whole ship...

Sailor Steve · 02-22-10, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Task Force

wounder If I can lock off certian parts of the sub. (ex, Oah nos, room X is flooding.) can I lock the doors, so the room dosent floot the whole ship...

I hope so. But if it doesn't, Diving Duck will fix it (except of course the rising flood waters will probably not care, so that will have to be fixed too).

derblaueClaus · 02-23-10, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Task Force

wounder If I can lock off certian parts of the sub. (ex, Oah nos, room X is flooding.) can I lock the doors, so the room dosent floot the whole ship...

Would be quite sensless as the boat wasn't really usable if one of the three sections was flooded. And with usable I mean just sailing to the next harbour.

Mud · 02-22-10, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by oscar19681

I was wondering when reading neals preview. Can your crew actually die?

We prolly have a Paladin

j/k

Good question

Mud

Iron Budokan · 02-22-10, 08:26 AM

I don't see how. There's no evidence there are new RPG avatars waiting in the wings to take their place or anything if they do. Which further begs the question. Can any crew member die on board like they did sometimes in SH3?

Seafireliv · 02-22-10, 09:10 AM

That`s kinda crappy if they can`t die. what`s the point of all that immersion if you as captain don`t have to deal with the problem of trying to get a boat with 2\3rds crew to work? Ok, so with less crew your boat will work less efficently and the best plan to get home asap but it all should be in.

Also, do the crew characters ever change? Can you get rid of some crew and assign new ones at base?

I personally don`t mind the RPG crew elements because one of my biggest gripes of the SH games was that they were too sterile. All you had was this mechanical boat and all the crew were mechanical too. This rpg element adds the Human side.

Now some say `this is a simiulation`. Yes, it`s a simulation and it`s simulating the real thing. In the real thing a captain`s job was not just sinking ships but dealing with his men every day and keeping up morale, etc. You can`t have a sim like this and not have realistic interactions with sub crew.

Personally, I wish that crewmen could also panic and freak out and have to be sent to quarters sick, etc or maybe you could piss them off to the point that they mutiny on you or you could reward them with scnapps when they did particularly well.

Kinda moot though as i`m not buying till this DRM is removed anyway.

Iron Budokan · 02-22-10, 09:46 AM

Because it's really not a simulation. That's pretty apparent. Bottom line: It's a SubPG, pure and simple, and specifically geared for the casual gamer. Else why have the fantasy elements incorporated in the skill set of the crew members?

Fire_Spy · 02-22-10, 11:14 AM

There is probably extra crewmen.. with red shirts..

TH0R · 02-22-10, 11:19 AM

That is really an interesting question. We shall have to wait and see when final game comes out. I am very curios how they 'solved' that problem if we have the same crew every time.

walsh2509 · 02-22-10, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire_Spy

There is probably extra crewmen.. with red shirts..

maybe as your sub is going down , the crew can be beamed back to port to man a new sub !

02-22-10, 08:00 AM	#1
oscar19681 Admiral Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: netherlands Posts: 2,020 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	Can the crew actually die? I was wondering when reading neals preview. Can your crew actually die? Since the crew now has personallity,s and stuff how could we replace them unless there would be more characters which (to my knowlege) or not there. Or maybe just the uncontrolleble crew members can get killed? __________________ we live we die but death does not ends it. Jim Morrison 1943-1971

02-22-10, 08:09 AM	#2
urfisch Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Deep down in Germany Posts: 1,969 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	nice question... indeed. i guees: no...and if so..the crew "plops away" if she dies, like the new torps simply "plop in"... __________________

02-22-10, 08:16 AM	#3
piri_reis Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Istanbul, Turkiye Posts: 715 Downloads: 115 Uploads: 0	I hope I'm wrong but; I got a hunch they don't die. Because can you have your navigation officer, change in for your watch officer or torpedo officer?? All these positions seem to have personnel who are permanently assigned. (All the cheesy story & rpg elements that go with them) Perhaps the model/looks/background story might be modded in, but barring the mods, the game is designed as it is and how would they make it work if the cook dies (in a flooding situation) or the watch officer is shot? Then do they get replaced back at port? No previews mention anything about recruiting new personnel at port or anything like that, so this is one of those unknowns but likely a negative feature of the game.. __________________ Lt.z.S. Barbaros Hayreddin, U-35, 2nd Flot/Kiel, Type VIIB Oct.29.1939, 2nd Patrol Eastern English Waters Running SH5/TWOS

02-22-10, 06:32 PM	#6
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	wounder If I can lock off certian parts of the sub. (ex, Oah nos, room X is flooding.) can I lock the doors, so the room dosent floot the whole ship... __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

02-22-10, 08:26 AM	#10
Iron Budokan Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,778 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	I don't see how. There's no evidence there are new RPG avatars waiting in the wings to take their place or anything if they do. Which further begs the question. Can any crew member die on board like they did sometimes in SH3? __________________ "You will take on England wherever you find her ships, and you will break her power at sea." --Iron Coffins, Herbert A. Werner http://kennethmarkhoover.com

02-22-10, 09:10 AM	#11
Seafireliv Gunner Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 93 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	That`s kinda crappy if they can`t die. what`s the point of all that immersion if you as captain don`t have to deal with the problem of trying to get a boat with 2\3rds crew to work? Ok, so with less crew your boat will work less efficently and the best plan to get home asap but it all should be in. Also, do the crew characters ever change? Can you get rid of some crew and assign new ones at base? I personally don`t mind the RPG crew elements because one of my biggest gripes of the SH games was that they were too sterile. All you had was this mechanical boat and all the crew were mechanical too. This rpg element adds the Human side. Now some say `this is a simiulation`. Yes, it`s a simulation and it`s simulating the real thing. In the real thing a captain`s job was not just sinking ships but dealing with his men every day and keeping up morale, etc. You can`t have a sim like this and not have realistic interactions with sub crew. Personally, I wish that crewmen could also panic and freak out and have to be sent to quarters sick, etc or maybe you could piss them off to the point that they mutiny on you or you could reward them with scnapps when they did particularly well. Kinda moot though as i`m not buying till this DRM is removed anyway.

02-22-10, 09:46 AM	#12
Iron Budokan Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,778 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Because it's really not a simulation. That's pretty apparent. Bottom line: It's a SubPG, pure and simple, and specifically geared for the casual gamer. Else why have the fantasy elements incorporated in the skill set of the crew members? __________________ "You will take on England wherever you find her ships, and you will break her power at sea." --Iron Coffins, Herbert A. Werner http://kennethmarkhoover.com

02-22-10, 11:14 AM	#13
Fire_Spy Mate Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Rockingham,Western Australia Posts: 52 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	There is probably extra crewmen.. with red shirts.. __________________ The Russians knew where the carrier group was, but it would move in the four hours required by the bombers to get there. Their missiles needed precise information if they were to home in on the raid's primary target, the two American and one French carrier, or the mission was a wasted effort. The game was hide and seek, played over a million square miles of ocean. The losers died.

02-22-10, 11:19 AM	#14
TH0R XO Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Croatia Posts: 420 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	That is really an interesting question. We shall have to wait and see when final game comes out. I am very curios how they 'solved' that problem if we have the same crew every time.