Environmental conditions

tonibamestre · 08-18-09, 05:20 AM

Hey devs,now that you are still on time,what do you tell me about implement real downloadable weather? The same way AS does with FS,actual sky conditions could be implemented optionally.So,depending upon the wind speed and direction,to slave sea surface to that.Of course,most of the known underwater currents must be taken into consideration also.
I think that an engine able to manage that items would add a lot of realism to the SH serie from now on, what your opinnion is?

BulSoldier · 08-18-09, 06:33 AM

Actual weather updates will be usable only if you are playing in 1 tc . I dont see how this will work with tc of 128 , 256 or more.

danlisa · 08-18-09, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BulSoldier

Actual weather updates will be usable only if you are playing in 1 tc . I dont see how this will work with tc of 128 , 256 or more.

The same way normal weather updates do. Weather data is not correct to the minute or even hour, more often than not it's around every 4-6 hours. This time scale would be perfectly usable in a game with TC. All that is needed is for the game to create a transition period between vast changes in weather type.

GreyOctober · 08-18-09, 10:04 AM

So what youre saying is that even if your campaign date is December, the system would still download the weather for, lets say, August?
Since there are no weather stations out at sea, Activesky draws some averages from the data gathered from stations located in proximity, and thats why weather depictions in the middle of the Atlantic range from innacurate to totally fictive. That might be fine for a flightsim, but a waste of resources for a subsim.

danlisa · 08-18-09, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by GreyOctober

*snip*.....That might be fine for a flightsim, but a waste of resources for a subsim.

Totally agree. As long as weather patterns or events are improved in SH5 then I'm happy.

I was only demonstrating to BulSoldier that the system is workable for a game with TC multiples ala FlightSim 2000 onwards.

dcb · 08-18-09, 11:18 AM

I'd be happy enough with just a realistic (I mean credible) weather system, which would take into account seasonal changes. Of course, snow and icebergs would be a MUST, for those freezing Arctic patrols in winter.

tater · 08-18-09, 11:23 AM

More realistic weather would be great. Zonal, with actual squall lines to duck into, etc.

tonibamestre · 08-19-09, 01:46 AM

I agree with that,and why not to include a Weather conditions setting where you can set the type of environment you want? Look at Virtual Sailor or Ship Simulator itself,both are naval sims and you can manage what kind of weather you want.
Could be a good improvement concerning graphics for the upcoming SHs.

Frederf · 08-20-09, 01:34 AM

Here's a funny question. Is it easier and less resource intensive to program believable made up weather patterns or is it easier to use historical records? As over-the-top as actually using downloaded or otherwise "referenced" weather, it might actually be easier than writing a convincing algorithm from scratch.

Boris · 08-20-09, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by tonibamestre

I agree with that,and why not to include a Weather conditions setting where you can set the type of environment you want? Look at Virtual Sailor or Ship Simulator itself,both are naval sims and you can manage what kind of weather you want.
Could be a good improvement concerning graphics for the upcoming SHs.

pfft... how does that make for a good simulation? You think real sub captains could choose their weather??? Can you choose the weather before you go outside of the house?

Vader 1 · 08-20-09, 01:02 PM

I would be happy if the hidden commands for weather changes were used.
ie "weather changing" nothing was worst than being ay the charts for 3 hrs "thinking " it was clear topside only to spot a small ship and go topside to discover SURPRISE your in the middle of a storm...hello could someone yell down the hatch lol
seriously the dev were planning on this feature on SH3 why not finish it

Vader

Brag · 08-20-09, 03:24 PM

The weather in GWX was already made bearable

Frame57 · 08-20-09, 09:27 PM

Even in SH4 I thought the foul weather was a joke. I hope the stormy weather in 5 will be a lot more realistic

Task Force · 08-20-09, 09:50 PM

I hope we have real storms that cause us issues... makeing attacking difficult to imposiable... and maby even damage some sub systems.

Alex · 08-21-09, 08:14 AM

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Does that mean we'll see weathering effects on ships

and

for the very $µ%&§?! first time

falling snow in the next opus of SH ?

!

08-18-09, 05:20 AM	#1
tonibamestre 中国水兵 Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 271 Downloads: 82 Uploads: 0	Environmental conditions Hey devs,now that you are still on time,what do you tell me about implement real downloadable weather? The same way AS does with FS,actual sky conditions could be implemented optionally.So,depending upon the wind speed and direction,to slave sea surface to that.Of course,most of the known underwater currents must be taken into consideration also. I think that an engine able to manage that items would add a lot of realism to the SH serie from now on, what your opinnion is?

08-18-09, 06:33 AM	#2
BulSoldier Samurai Navy Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Burgas/Bulgaria Posts: 550 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	Actual weather updates will be usable only if you are playing in 1 tc . I dont see how this will work with tc of 128 , 256 or more. __________________ By the hour !

08-18-09, 10:04 AM	#4
GreyOctober Sonar Guy Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 394 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	So what youre saying is that even if your campaign date is December, the system would still download the weather for, lets say, August? Since there are no weather stations out at sea, Activesky draws some averages from the data gathered from stations located in proximity, and thats why weather depictions in the middle of the Atlantic range from innacurate to totally fictive. That might be fine for a flightsim, but a waste of resources for a subsim. __________________

08-20-09, 01:02 PM	#11
Vader 1 Engineer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 202 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I would be happy if the hidden commands for weather changes were used. ie "weather changing" nothing was worst than being ay the charts for 3 hrs "thinking " it was clear topside only to spot a small ship and go topside to discover SURPRISE your in the middle of a storm...hello could someone yell down the hatch lol seriously the dev were planning on this feature on SH3 why not finish it Vader __________________ Never Forget!

08-20-09, 03:24 PM	#12
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	The weather in GWX was already made bearable __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

08-18-09, 11:18 AM	#6
dcb Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 845 Downloads: 544 Uploads: 0	I'd be happy enough with just a realistic (I mean credible) weather system, which would take into account seasonal changes. Of course, snow and icebergs would be a MUST, for those freezing Arctic patrols in winter.

08-18-09, 11:23 AM	#7
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	More realistic weather would be great. Zonal, with actual squall lines to duck into, etc.

08-19-09, 01:46 AM	#8
tonibamestre 中国水兵 Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 271 Downloads: 82 Uploads: 0	I agree with that,and why not to include a Weather conditions setting where you can set the type of environment you want? Look at Virtual Sailor or Ship Simulator itself,both are naval sims and you can manage what kind of weather you want. Could be a good improvement concerning graphics for the upcoming SHs.

08-20-09, 01:34 AM	#9
Frederf Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 665 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 1	Here's a funny question. Is it easier and less resource intensive to program believable made up weather patterns or is it easier to use historical records? As over-the-top as actually using downloaded or otherwise "referenced" weather, it might actually be easier than writing a convincing algorithm from scratch.

08-20-09, 09:27 PM	#13
Frame57 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2008 Location: 1300 feet on the crapper Posts: 1,860 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Even in SH4 I thought the foul weather was a joke. I hope the stormy weather in 5 will be a lot more realistic __________________ "My Religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds." Albert Einstein

08-20-09, 09:50 PM	#14
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I hope we have real storms that cause us issues... makeing attacking difficult to imposiable... and maby even damage some sub systems. __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

08-21-09, 08:14 AM	#15
Alex Dominant Wolf Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,143 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	... ! Does that mean we'll see weathering effects on ships and for the very $µ%&§?! first time falling snow in the next opus of SH ? ! __________________ Last edited by Alex; 08-21-09 at 08:28 AM.