The long slow endl of the American era

Skybird · 09-30-08, 01:50 PM

Quite long, but very realistically summerizing the mood as I believe I perceive it from media all around:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...581502,00.html

But with the sun of the American era setting, there comes the need for the Europeans to show that they can be masters of their own fate without comfortably leaving leadership and responsibility coming along with it to Washington. That is both a chance and a risk for Europe - and unfortuantely, considering the way the EU formed itself over the past 14 or 15 years, there is good reason to have some doubts that it can make it. Time will tell, and we cannot avoid to see it: for a return to the old order of american dominance is out of question, I think.

Tchocky · 09-30-08, 01:54 PM

Nice to see our German friend once more forecasting the end of America.

Anything Der Spiegel says, eh Skybird?

Skybird · 09-30-08, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

Nice to see our German friend once more forecasting the end of America.

Anything Der Spiegel says, eh Skybird?

If it matches what I think, yes. So not "anything", but "some things".

and why the black-white paitning? The end of America and end of the American world order are two different things. The british empire is no more, too, but Britain until today survived that.

Leave my person out of it, Tchocky. Argue with the essay, or don't.

Tchocky · 09-30-08, 02:01 PM

Cool your jets, I'm only taking the piss. :p

Sea Demon · 09-30-08, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Leave my person out of it, Tchocky. Argue with the essay, or don't.

Or holy hell, I'll put you on ignore too. That'll show ya'.

August · 09-30-08, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Demon

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Leave my person out of it, Tchocky. Argue with the essay, or don't.

Or holy hell, I'll put you on ignore too. That'll show ya'.

I'm quite happy to be on Skybirds ignore list. I get to talk about him and he doesn't even know it unless one of you guys quote me...

nikimcbee · 09-30-08, 02:45 PM

Anything else?

Konovalov · 09-30-08, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Leave my person out of it, Tchocky. Argue with the essay, or don't.

He was joking. Taking the mickey. That kind of thing. Nothing more, nothing less.

Digital_Trucker · 09-30-08, 03:38 PM

That "essay" is almost as long as some peoples posts around here.:hmm:

Lots of opinion in it, though.

August · 09-30-08, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

Lots of opinion in it, though.

Yeah and barely concealed glee by those who subscribe to it.

UN out of the US, US out of the UN!

baggygreen · 09-30-08, 05:36 PM

Well heres my question.

*IF* the article is right and the US's era as chief superpower is coming to an end, who is going to step into its role? And will we in the west like the way they do things?:hmm:

UnderseaLcpl · 09-30-08, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by baggygreen

Well heres my question.

*IF* the article is right and the US's era as chief superpower is coming to an end, who is going to step into its role? And will we in the west like the way they do things?:hmm:

China. Probably not.

nikimcbee · 09-30-08, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

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Originally Posted by baggygreen

Well heres my question.

*IF* the article is right and the US's era as chief superpower is coming to an end, who is going to step into its role? And will we in the west like the way they do things?:hmm:

China. Probably not.

I say China too. Russia is too backwards. Russia has the resources to lead, but they have been crippled by the communism cancer. Europe is too divided.

China has the will power and the business savy.

CCIP · 09-30-08, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

I say China too. Russia is too backwards. Russia has the resources to lead, but they have been crippled by the communism cancer. Europe is too divided.

China has the will power and the business savy.

Last I checked, it was China and not Russia still ruled by a communist party :hmm:

nikimcbee · 09-30-08, 06:08 PM

Now if all of Asia were to somehow unite:hmm: . The Asian work ethic? Now that would be unstoppable.

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