sitting on the bottom

Phil · 02-12-07, 08:58 PM

is sitting on the bottom an effective technique of evasion or is it to loud when you hit the bottom? saw it the other day in the movie enemy below

Corrupt_File · 02-12-07, 08:58 PM

It's not modelled in the game at all unfortunately.

Brag · 02-12-07, 09:20 PM

It won't help you much if any. But if it is as deep as you can go, moving a few meters off the bottom is the thing to do. If for some reason you need to touch bottom, do it slowly and gently.

mookiemookie · 02-12-07, 09:21 PM

It does not help at all. I know this from experience. They will still ping the crap outta you and blast you to kingdom come.

Shame it's not modelled. Ah well.

AVGWarhawk · 02-12-07, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

It does not help at all. I know this from experience. They will still ping the crap outta you and blast you to kingdom come.

Shame it's not modelled. Ah well.

Yep, I'm with Mookie on this one! There I was on patrol #2 at 96m bottomed out. I was pinged to death and then DC'd to death

. No dice for hanging on the bottom.

I stay were it is REALLY DEEP!

High Voltage · 02-12-07, 09:52 PM

If you can rest on the bottom -------

YOU'RE NOT DEEP
ENOUGH!!!!

Iron Budokan · 02-12-07, 10:11 PM

What about running shallow? At the beginning of the war the sub commanders used to run at periscope depth to evade DDs because they knew their listening gear couldn't operate at that angle. Is that modeled?

Corrupt_File · 02-12-07, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Iron Budokan

What about running shallow? At the beginning of the war the sub commanders used to run at periscope depth to evade DDs because they knew their listening gear couldn't operate at that angle. Is that modeled?

From experience, I'd conclude no...

Eagle Eye · 02-13-07, 02:30 AM

They've always heard me at periscope depth. I've learned my lesson about hunting convoys in shallow waters.

johnno74 · 02-13-07, 04:05 AM

Active sonar "pings" are actually reflected by density changes - they don't bounce back towards the sender from your hull, they bounce back from the air space inside the pressure hull

So, in reality, sitting on the bottom shouldn't help you evade active sonar.

mookiemookie · 02-13-07, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

It does not help at all. I know this from experience. They will still ping the crap outta you and blast you to kingdom come.

Shame it's not modelled. Ah well.

Yep, I'm with Mookie on this one! There I was on patrol #2 at 96m bottomed out. I was pinged to death and then DC'd to death

. No dice for hanging on the bottom.

I stay were it is REALLY DEEP!

That's exactly how it happened to me. I made a big mistake, attacking this convoy off the northern coast of Scotland. When it comes time to evade, I ping the depth...

"Depth under keel is 50 meters, sir!"

During my evasion maneuvers I planted the boat on the bottom a bit too hard, tearing out the keel and causing major flooding. The DD's just finished me off while I sat helpless at the bottom. It was my 2nd patrol, too. I guess that makes me a full fledged memeber of the club.

Lesson learned: always know how much real estate you have under you before you attack!

Jimbuna · 02-13-07, 10:18 AM

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esson learned: always know how much real estate you have under you before you attack!

AMEN

AVGWarhawk · 02-13-07, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

It does not help at all. I know this from experience. They will still ping the crap outta you and blast you to kingdom come.

Shame it's not modelled. Ah well.

Yep, I'm with Mookie on this one! There I was on patrol #2 at 96m bottomed out. I was pinged to death and then DC'd to death

. No dice for hanging on the bottom.

I stay were it is REALLY DEEP!

That's exactly how it happened to me. I made a big mistake, attacking this convoy off the northern coast of Scotland. When it comes time to evade, I ping the depth...

"Depth under keel is 50 meters, sir!"

During my evasion maneuvers I planted the boat on the bottom a bit too hard, tearing out the keel and causing major flooding. The DD's just finished me off while I sat helpless at the bottom. It was my 2nd patrol, too. I guess that makes me a full fledged memeber of the club.

Lesson learned: always know how much real estate you have under you before you attack!

And yet another member of the 2nd patrol club.....man, it is starting to look like a gang

GT182 · 02-13-07, 10:21 AM

It's better to move off and away at 1kt to try to evade. Sitting on the bottom just makes you an easy target.

ref · 02-13-07, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Eagle Eye

They've always heard me at periscope depth. I've learned my lesson about hunting convoys in shallow waters.

Most people keeps confusing sensors, the early sonar is less effective because it's cone is pointing a bit down, but don't forget that the ships also has hydrophones which aren't limited in its angles, thay can pick you on passive by listening to your engines.

Ref

02-12-07, 08:58 PM	#1
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02-12-07, 09:21 PM	#4
mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	It does not help at all. I know this from experience. They will still ping the crap outta you and blast you to kingdom come. Shame it's not modelled. Ah well. __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

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High Voltage Chief Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: U-33. Depth Charges...sinking.. Posts: 325 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	If you can rest on the bottom ------- YOU'RE NOT DEEP ENOUGH!!!! __________________ The new-moon night is black as ink. Off Hatteras the tankers sink. While sadly Roosevelt counts the score-- Some fifty thousand tons--by MOHR

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Iron Budokan Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,778 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	What about running shallow? At the beginning of the war the sub commanders used to run at periscope depth to evade DDs because they knew their listening gear couldn't operate at that angle. Is that modeled? __________________ "You will take on England wherever you find her ships, and you will break her power at sea." --Iron Coffins, Herbert A. Werner http://kennethmarkhoover.com

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Corrupt_File Sparky Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Canada's Western Naval Fleet Posts: 157 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	It's not modelled in the game at all unfortunately.

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Eagle Eye Bosun Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 63 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	They've always heard me at periscope depth. I've learned my lesson about hunting convoys in shallow waters.

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johnno74 Planesman Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 197 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Active sonar "pings" are actually reflected by density changes - they don't bounce back towards the sender from your hull, they bounce back from the air space inside the pressure hull So, in reality, sitting on the bottom shouldn't help you evade active sonar.

02-13-07, 10:21 AM	#14
GT182 Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Castle of Delaware Posts: 3,231 Downloads: 658 Uploads: 0	It's better to move off and away at 1kt to try to evade. Sitting on the bottom just makes you an easy target. __________________ Gary No Borders, No Language, No Culture =s No Country I'm a Deplorable, and proud of it.