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Phil 02-12-07 08:58 PM

sitting on the bottom
 
is sitting on the bottom an effective technique of evasion or is it to loud when you hit the bottom? saw it the other day in the movie enemy below

Corrupt_File 02-12-07 08:58 PM

It's not modelled in the game at all unfortunately.

Brag 02-12-07 09:20 PM

It won't help you much if any. But if it is as deep as you can go, moving a few meters off the bottom is the thing to do. If for some reason you need to touch bottom, do it slowly and gently.:yep:

mookiemookie 02-12-07 09:21 PM

It does not help at all. I know this from experience. They will still ping the crap outta you and blast you to kingdom come.

Shame it's not modelled. Ah well.

AVGWarhawk 02-12-07 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie
It does not help at all. I know this from experience. They will still ping the crap outta you and blast you to kingdom come.

Shame it's not modelled. Ah well.

Yep, I'm with Mookie on this one! There I was on patrol #2 at 96m bottomed out. I was pinged to death and then DC'd to death:cry: . No dice for hanging on the bottom.:down: I stay were it is REALLY DEEP!

High Voltage 02-12-07 09:52 PM

If you can rest on the bottom -------

YOU'RE NOT DEEP
ENOUGH!!!!

;)

Iron Budokan 02-12-07 10:11 PM

What about running shallow? At the beginning of the war the sub commanders used to run at periscope depth to evade DDs because they knew their listening gear couldn't operate at that angle. Is that modeled?

Corrupt_File 02-12-07 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Iron Budokan
What about running shallow? At the beginning of the war the sub commanders used to run at periscope depth to evade DDs because they knew their listening gear couldn't operate at that angle. Is that modeled?

From experience, I'd conclude no...

Eagle Eye 02-13-07 02:30 AM

They've always heard me at periscope depth. I've learned my lesson about hunting convoys in shallow waters.

johnno74 02-13-07 04:05 AM

Active sonar "pings" are actually reflected by density changes - they don't bounce back towards the sender from your hull, they bounce back from the air space inside the pressure hull

So, in reality, sitting on the bottom shouldn't help you evade active sonar.

mookiemookie 02-13-07 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk
Quote:

Originally Posted by mookiemookie
It does not help at all. I know this from experience. They will still ping the crap outta you and blast you to kingdom come.

Shame it's not modelled. Ah well.

Yep, I'm with Mookie on this one! There I was on patrol #2 at 96m bottomed out. I was pinged to death and then DC'd to death:cry: . No dice for hanging on the bottom.:down: I stay were it is REALLY DEEP!

That's exactly how it happened to me. I made a big mistake, attacking this convoy off the northern coast of Scotland. When it comes time to evade, I ping the depth...

"Depth under keel is 50 meters, sir!" :damn: :dead:

During my evasion maneuvers I planted the boat on the bottom a bit too hard, tearing out the keel and causing major flooding. The DD's just finished me off while I sat helpless at the bottom. It was my 2nd patrol, too. I guess that makes me a full fledged memeber of the club.

Lesson learned: always know how much real estate you have under you before you attack!

Jimbuna 02-13-07 10:18 AM

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esson learned: always know how much real estate you have under you before you attack!
AMEN :lol: :up:

AVGWarhawk 02-13-07 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie
Quote:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk
Quote:

Originally Posted by mookiemookie
It does not help at all. I know this from experience. They will still ping the crap outta you and blast you to kingdom come.

Shame it's not modelled. Ah well.

Yep, I'm with Mookie on this one! There I was on patrol #2 at 96m bottomed out. I was pinged to death and then DC'd to death:cry: . No dice for hanging on the bottom.:down: I stay were it is REALLY DEEP!

That's exactly how it happened to me. I made a big mistake, attacking this convoy off the northern coast of Scotland. When it comes time to evade, I ping the depth...

"Depth under keel is 50 meters, sir!" :damn: :dead:

During my evasion maneuvers I planted the boat on the bottom a bit too hard, tearing out the keel and causing major flooding. The DD's just finished me off while I sat helpless at the bottom. It was my 2nd patrol, too. I guess that makes me a full fledged memeber of the club.

Lesson learned: always know how much real estate you have under you before you attack!


And yet another member of the 2nd patrol club.....man, it is starting to look like a gang:o

GT182 02-13-07 10:21 AM

It's better to move off and away at 1kt to try to evade. Sitting on the bottom just makes you an easy target.

ref 02-13-07 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Eagle Eye
They've always heard me at periscope depth. I've learned my lesson about hunting convoys in shallow waters.

Most people keeps confusing sensors, the early sonar is less effective because it's cone is pointing a bit down, but don't forget that the ships also has hydrophones which aren't limited in its angles, thay can pick you on passive by listening to your engines.

Ref


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